eh, they say that, but their actions suggest otherwise. no matter.
I dare not quote any of the above threads. They are all laced with intolerance. Even though many of you claim to be logical, you refuse to acknowledge the situation. The simple truth is that my logic checks out too. I simply believe you are wrong. The same way you believe I am wrong. That is why we are at an impasse. You continuously hurl demeaning comments at me such as bigotry and the like when I already told you that the inclusion of homosexuality was understandable, perhaps even agreeable from a story telling point of view, as it was presented only a few months ago.
How was it presented you ask? Like so:
In the Sylvari, they weren’t human, so it didn’t matter to me.
To the few npcs that I ran into that were of that persuasion, my reaction was “Huh, okay then.” and I’d go about by business.
Even when Jory and Kas stated their interest and open-air flirtations, I didn’t approve of it, but I still shrugged it off and let it go.
This latest update was what irked me and crossed the line. If it had been two guys I would have been equally miffed. That said, what’s done is done. I don’t want harm to befall Jory or Kas, I simply don’t want this to become a common trend in the game. And maybe, I doubt i though, we can hear something as simple as “get a room” from one of their friends.
As you can see, I have remained respectful to the last. I will not move on this view, not for you, not for anyone. And you’ll just have to, “let it go” as you so often say to individuals such as myself.
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Or perhaps you are upset that the sylvari have no conflict withen their society over this subject? Maybe that is what you are really asking for? I’m sure there are strictly heterosexual and strictly homosexual Sylvari, if they were all the same, then they would be boring. We simply have never found one to state what their sexuality is, is all
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Allow me to put it this way. Sylvari are not homosexual. They’re pansexual. The entire race is pansexual. Having a male Sylvari in a relationship with another male Sylvari isn’t a homosexual relationship. Its a pansexual relationship, because both individuals are pansexual.
And this makes them undesirable to you as representatives to your persuasion… how again?
I’ll be waiting with yet another “I told you so”
If you have trouble with the idea of two people of the same sex loving each other, due to your beliefs, then the problem is with your beliefs, not with the writing.
There is no logical reason not to agree with two people loving each other, regardless of their sex. There are only illogical reasons. Get rid of the illogic, and embrace reason.
You must resort to insulting me when I never insulted you? To get back on topic, I do not appreciate of this bit of the story. I want GW2 as it was when I first signed on. I suspect this thread will be locked by the devs soon anyway.
Elaborate please.
You said:
“Why must people like myself be forced to sacrifice our values so we can enjoy this game?”
I’m wondering what you are talking about. In what way are you being forced to “sacrifice your values” by the Living Story?
You also said:
“I mean: give us a character in the main party that disagrees with what Jory and Kas stand for but is willing to work with them because they are his *friends. In other words: show both sides of the argument in the game."
You want them to show both sides of the argument. I would like to know, what argument? And why should there even be an argument about it? Are there sides to whether two people are allowed to fall in love and kiss? Why would there be any argument about that?
To answer both your questions: the story is pitched so that everyone agrees, everyone feels the same emotional tug. I, and many others, do not feel that “tug” and in order to, we would have to let go of our beliefs. The devs have effectively said: here it is, if you don’t like it, we don’t need you. No means of skipping the scene, it has been forced down my gullet.
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Why must people like myself be forced to sacrifice our values so we can enjoy this game?
How are you sacrificing your values by seeing two fictional characters kiss?
I mean: give us a character in the main party that disagrees with what Jory and Kas stand for but is willing to work with them because they are his *friends. In other words: show both sides of the argument in the game.
Why should there be any argument?
Elaborate please.
sheesh, people still wonder if the Sylvari are tied to Mordremoth? Scarlet made the link, end of story.
And how do you think we homosexuals feel being constantly barraged by media that is obsessive with heterosexual romance? Well at first, a bit like you actually… Closely followed by the realisation that you’ll have to work hard to find stories with a relationship sub-plot that fits your sexual affinity.
But why do I have to have homosexual women making out on my screen so I can get the whole danged story?
So please forgive others for their quick and harsh retorts when they take you the wrong way. It’s just that they find your complaints a little ironic considering the reversal of roles here. Perhaps now that you understand how we feel when every single shoe-horned-in-to-appease-the-hetero-masses cliche couple dramatically kiss on screen. You could instead be a little more understanding and welcoming of change and a different perspective. Because you realize, through your own experience here that it is something we generally have to experience constantly in media. And this one occurrence here isn’t going to chase away or prevent the constant and countless hetero-focused media out there from being produced.
I’ve been with this game as long as most, I was fine with Sylvari and all that jazz. They weren’t human, so I didn’t care.
Then I’d find hint through out the game of homosexuality, again: I didn’t care because I could walk away.
The Jory and Kas proclaimed their interest, that irked me, but I could still walk away from their conversations.
I thought that was as far as they would take it, but no. Now I am being forced to watch them kiss and I couldn’t skip the scene without missing the story. Where should I walk away to?
We are a community, you preach about acceptance, but what about you? Why must people like myself be forced to sacrifice our values so we can enjoy this game? Show a compromise somewhere. And I don’t mean killing off jory or kass. I don’t mean giving us a hetero romance. I mean: give us a character in the main party that disagrees with what Jory and Kas stand for but is willing to work with them because they are his *friends. In other words: show both sides of the argument in the game.
Is this so much to ask? This is not your game, this is our game. If we are going for equal representation, then actually follow up with that on both sides. An Evon to your Keil.
Why is everyone down on Evon? Seriously, he warned everyone what would happen, he was right, and now he is getting his wares stolen by the Liongaurd because they wouldn’t listen. I still believe Evon is the Mysterious “E”.
You have Trahearne, isn’t that enough? Leader of the Pact forces and all that jazz?
He never quite seemed gay to me. Lacked confidence, sure, but never seemed gay. That, and as other people have said, in a society that lacks gender roles, being gay isn’t much of an accomplishment or anything.
So, you don’t want the Sylvari because they don’t care one way or the other?
No you don’t. You have pretty much literally every other game on the market. You get told every single day that your sexuality is natural, good, and right. Forgive me if your ‘empowerment’ is not high on my list of priorities
Wait, your list? Friend, we are a community. Like us or hate us we are in this together. You’d think the very least you could do is talk of compromise instead of browbeating people like myself.
You have Trahearne, isn’t that enough? Leader of the Pact forces and all that jazz?
Its actually very funny. All I did was express a point of view and the vultures swooped in from their nests. I didn’t insult anyone, I didn’t call anyone names. I merely expressed that I didn’t enjoy the story as it was being presented. So many are unable to understand, thinking that they know everything and that they are right in all their philosophies to the point that they can call individuals like myself “stupid” or “unevolved” without a shred of guilt. I have reasons for believing what I believe.
What I had always liked about the Sylvari was I felt they were (now past-tense) the Devs way of giving 1/5 of the entire game to individuals of that persuasion. I believe that everyone has the right to do as they please, as long as they don’t make it my business. The only problem I have with that kiss, is that I cannot agree with it. At that point, the devs alienated many people from the story. I cannot cheer, and it is wrong to expect me to. I respect your view points, will you respect mine?
Really depressing to see an intellectual controversy be reduced by insults.
Does that mean when legions of Sylvari begin attacking the rest of Tyria from Maguma Falls, that the Sylvari will be looked on with mistrust because of who created them?
Another bit to chew on, did Mordy increase Scarlet’s intellect to even greater levels? If that was the power he gave her as his champion, then does that mean that Mordy is the exact opposite of Zhaitan? Where Zhaitan uses everything that was to build his forces, Mordremoth uses everything new. This nature dragon may be far more deadly than Zhaitan, if every champion he has is based on evolution. OH CRUDLY!!!! I just released mid-post that the Toxic Hybrid “evolved” very rapidly. What if Mordy has that kind of power?
First cut-scene kiss in the game, and we get this. sigh I am rather disappointed. No matter, I’ll keep playing, hoping the devs remember that the individuals who like this aspect are not the only people who play this game. There are good, honest, paying customers who don’t find this favorable. I’ll just have my finger on the “skip cut-scene” button in the near future and keep praying they try telling a romance within a story I can enjoy witnessing too.
Moving on, thank goodness I can forget about all this with the next update.
yeah….no. Kinda disappointing, really.
Official response on the Lag issues please?
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My computer has also been suffering from an extreme lag since Flame and Frost it and has progressively gotten worse, now that the Queen’s Gauntlet features many one shot one kill bosses it has become impossible to play.
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Then in all of this, the real question is: are the devs ever going to make a real flesh and blood dragon? Or are we going to keep getting OP elementals in dragon form? Not that its needed, but I like the idea of slaying a real dragon.
This is a huge guess here, but maybe the Flame Legion and the dredge are looking for something? Something they can’t get to unless they push the locals out of the area. You may note that many the Flame Legion were wearing dredge gear and lanterns. Perhaps they are working to find something? Did no one else notice the massive gates that appeared in the northern foothills?
On another note, don’t the dredge build massive siege engines? What would the result be if you took searing magic and combined the two? It was hinted with the accended item molten ore. This could be a case of an overwhelming advance in both factions arsenal, that simply allows the two to set aside their politics for an extended period.
I’ve heard some players talking about this alliance between d & f, that these two combined created the steam creatures. I know its far-fetched (considering that we have seen steam creatures attack the dredge) but they were also claiming these f-legions and dredge are from a different location in the Mists. I would like to know if we have any info on that theory. Personaly, I think good ol’ ’mordius is forcing these two factions to step up thier plans for world domination, more of a last desperate attack on the surface before the rest of the world and the destroyers come down on them.
Last I checked, high ground is invaluable on a battlefield. Taking away the ranger’s RANGE nearly makes him a misnomer. Its like making a thief that wears clogs, a warrior with a wooden sword, or an engineer who’s “grenades” are dirt clods. It just make no sense.