Guild Wars 2

Salamander.2504:

jessiestiles.9437:

You’re right Torafugu. Like today it was time for my dogs lunch. I have 4 dogs. The problem was there was only two slices of bread. So I gave my 2 eldest dogs a slice of bread each and beat the other two down with a stick. I tried to make it fair and 2 of my dogs were fed and very happy with this arrangement. So I’d called it a success too.

Your metaphor for losing in a video game is animal abuse? Aren’t you the one who has been making ad hominem attacks on forum-goers by spouting all of the psychology mumbo jumbo this past weekend?

Illustrating the absurd with absurdity for the win!!

Are you saying there was decay between seasons? How could they have decay when mmr wasn’t even changeable in unranked. And yes I didn’t play as much between seasons but I not sure mmr had decay in between either. I could be wrong though.

cosmicegg.8502:

There’s so few people in ruby right now your only getting good players give it a couple days you’ll see ruby the new scrub sapphire, I remember ruby last season was the same way. If your such a pro start a new account and work your way up the solo q.

I said this 15 hours ago woa I must be physic

Wow mister can I have your autograph?

Nah I play Smite and read these boards. The boards are far more entertaining then season 1 and 2. Everyone I know has left anyway.

this is a game you need to play to learn.

I cant believe this thread is still active lol

There’s so few people in ruby right now your only getting good players give it a couple days you’ll see ruby the new scrub sapphire, I remember ruby last season was the same way. If your such a pro start a new account and work your way up the solo q.

ronpierce.2760:

Its always people who can’t get what they want as easily as they want that have problems with anything, what’s your point?

The basis of the system is one I agree with very much. It’s not perfect, and has many of ways to be improved of, especially as we head into the next season, but lets not get all ‘woe is me’ on me here. The fact is, the people who complain the most are always the people who want more out of something, so comments like that does nothing.

People wonder why I come off as arrogant and annoyed…

Nobody is asking for anything easy, we however should not be handicapped by a flawed system of team making in soloq We expect a level playing field in any tournament. For those that are on the easy mode side of this flawed system, you can view your selves all you want as great esl players with awesome skills and talent beyond all, And continue to view all the rest as talentless wannabe whiners that need to learn to play. All my friends have now gone on to other games, in the first prepip leader board we weren’t the best but we all fell around top 100 to 150 with better then 55 to 65 percent win rates. Most left during season 1 and a few stayed for season 2 and now they don’t log in anymore either. But good luck on easy mode.

ronpierce.2760:

jessiestiles.9437:

A lot of the people with overemphatic praise do seem to have a complete lack of empathy, ie the ability to comprehend someone elses situation without having direct experience, and cognitive function to possess foresight. Both of which the OP eloquently displayed. These are human qualities we begin to develop an awareness and understanding of as toddlers and hopefully by adulthood are greatly matured. It seems almost non-existant in some of you. I don’t know if it’s pathological or maybe the win streak affected your dopamine levels interfering with your ability to process information. It is a tad disturbing.

I’m sure if they were in the same boat having that unique perspective would impact their feelings about this topic.

That’s sort of a two-way street. For lower MMR players (who would have been lower MMR before this catastrophe, or they’d have been on the rising side, instead) it feels unfair that you have to face anyone better than you.

For people with Higher MMR, the story isn’t the same. From my perspective, it’s nice to see people actually on teams with people in their bracket, that way, I don’t feel the need to carry someone who barely knows what a node is. Prior to now, my frustrations with PvP would be having to deal with people who goof off, then start raging in chat or AFKing. So in a sense, before now, I was the one with the problem, but people being carried certainly didn’t mind getting wins that were far-beyond unearned.

The psychological mumbo-jumbo is a far-reach, and is quite silly. The only psychology here is “everyone wants something different, and if it’s not what they want, it’s wrong”. This includes people who want even matches (both low tier and high tier) and people who only feel the Divisions should matter for who you face, so long as people are teamed with people in their skill range.

No one is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’, people have unique needs and wants, and that’s not possible to deliver on them all. Certainly the low-tier players are the most frustrated, and it’s understandable.

But while I empathize to a degree, I can’t empathize with someone who refuses to understand that there are other modes that suit their needs already, refuse to get better, refuse to find friends to play with them, refuse to do anything to help themselves, and only wish to complain until Ranked turned back into a reward track- Glorified Unranked, as it was. That’s what annoys me the most. I’ve come up with many answers, including future solutions, while I’m met with people bashing their heads on their screens with “No, no, no, no because, no.”

I get it, people are frustrated, but people aren’t listening to me. It is the FIRST WEEK, of a mistake of throwing everyone in the same Division. That’s the big flaw of the system. The match making is not the issue because it DOES pan out with higher Divisions, as I stated. It’s the entitlement that people have that annoys me.

So what you don’t get your ranked pretty backpack in just 1 season? So try to work your way to Sapphire over a few seasons and get it, and spend more time in Unranked where it’s more fun to you? “NO,” that’s just a ridiculous suggestion… Why?

Its always people that benefit from the flaws in a system that see no problem.

lol that vid shows the intentional movements of a hacker those weren’t bugs or lag.

Anytime a ranger or his pet crits he can immobilize you even if he’s downed as long as he’s traited for it. Smokescales can vanish and rez the ranger and every ranger pet pops up where the ranger died when he spawns at base.

There is a website for the hack I just looked it up, apparently there’s a lot of users. Its a teleport hack. One guy was bragging about how much fun it was to on his Mesmer to create portals into a mountains or walls to mess with his own team. Also they can fall through the world when they’re downed so you cant stomp. They also have other hacks that effect game play. I just submitted the site to support in a ticket.

Fay.2357:

DeWolfe.2174:

What I’m finding very odd is that I’m stuck in a tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. I get 1 pip away and lose the whole tier. It’s just keeps cycling like this all day long.

Sounds like roughly a 50% winrate, which would be expected if you’ve arrived at a tier reflecting your average skill level.

This would be true if it was only depended on you solely but it isn’t. Teammates are still an issue in the higher divisions but you cant lose divisions or tiers in some divisions. You get stuck in the bottom of a tier or division you cant drop from. So again even then mmr death cycle can continue. Anet needs to just stop making party’s for players and stick to matchups.

This is funny stuff. You’ve just fixed the whole game !!

MadVisions.4529:

Mr Godlike.6098:

Right now I maybe have 1 win per 3-5 matches.

It’s not fun to non-stop lose…
It’s not fun to play unfair matches if you had 55% win ratio in previous season.
It’s not fun to hear that you have to keep losing until your mmr or matchmaking will be balanced.

Game has no point of playing or buying if it don’t give any type of fun or satisfaction for your effort.

For now as casual i can say that playing ranked is waste of time and a lot players will say the same. I love pvp but many ppl will just quit.

I am really Astonished. really…. i’ve read dozens of post like this at this point. and i feel really sorry and bad for seeing players actually quit becouse of a system i’ve beed waiting since long long time.
I am just screaching my head atm…. what to say to stay constructive, help and meanwhyle dont hurt anyones feelings.

so. Back in time when i started pvp i havnt even touched ranked for a long time. i was thinking like: hmm ranked.. ranked means competition in every game and obviously i can feel i’m a beginner so lets get better and mby then i can show off some ranks later. Imo i’ve hit the 1k unrankeds way before i even started to think about ranked.

The thing is that the newly implemented MM algorythm NO LONGER supports grinding based progression like the previous ones. This means that progression is enchanced by the skill level of an individual and not the bare will to progress. League system was implemented to indicate one’s mad haxor PvP skills with a tiny icon next to his/her name so everyone can see how big his E-PENlS is. Now, becouse the smurfing and abusing has been (mostly)fixed and the league is skill based, a mediocre random player can no longer have the same E-PENlS icon as an ESL player at least not as fast.
To get to the point. If someone is enduring a humilating 15lose streak or barely reaches 20% winning in this season should ask himself: “Am I prepared to play the most competitive part of the game? maybe not. Maybe wanting to be faster ranked up than way better players than me is a bit eager behaviour… Mby i should go practice a bit more so i can later suprise everyone with how good i am!”

Your speaking out of both sides of your mouth defending a system that’s supposed to have skill as the sole determinate yet makes it faster for pvp players with the highest mmr from a terribly flawed last season to climb faster. Each match is like a race to the top of a pit with one team getting a rope and the other given nothing but there hands to climb the wall.

I think the player base has reached a point of not caring anymore to be honest, Season 1 was really messed up but I hoped season 2 was going to be better. The original leaderboard matchups were the best. You cant even find a decent party anymore. I don’t know about you but my friend list is nothing but grey names. I don’t need this game i can play other pvp games just fine i just used to enjoy this more then the rest, now i don’t care. This game for me was always about ranked pvp. Now its not even worth logging in anymore. Good luck ANET i hope you get this right someday.

Malediktus.9250:

matchmaking is so bad that I am even loosing games if enemies have an afk for the whole game (0 personal score). Before that match I had afkers on my team twice in a row.
Currently at 8 losses in row again. My MMR must be the lowest possible lol.
Currently I am hopeless to even reach diamond this season. I dont think someone with 2k+ tpvp wins with champion title for all classes but revenant should be stuck in emerald <.<

Someone will probably advise you to learn to play

party invite dosent work in matchs like it used to

Of course this is all kitten cause of how anet combined soloq and teamq which would have to be separated (or the mmr calculation changed to make it “fair”) during seasons

That is the whole problem, solo q should face solo q and groups need to have their own q. Otherwise this is never going to work. How about you just remove solo q completely in ranked. Make us form 5 man teams before we q for ranked. Then this would never happen. It seems your trying to make a team game, so why don’t you commit to it.

Ok before this pip kitten started and leader boards were all we had I was at a 57% solo q win percentage which was just above average, with a ranking just over 100 on the leader boards, most people were lower then that win percentage range. Even the top 20 had a win percentage around 62 percent at the most But now I find myself in 10 game losing streaks constantly yet I’m still close to the top scorer. How is this accurate as to my play? how am I supposed to climb out of that? I’m confused. The only thing that’s changed was this match making system.
I see all these people talking about how its because all the good players are in my division. BS I’ve played with good players and won my share but the players I’ve been matched with in this system have no game play skill and I challenge any of the legendry’s that say that kitten to group with them and win.

Please stop giving credit for daily’s in ranked, it makes matchup’s worse then they have to be when you have players play classes they aren’t competent on in match’s where some people are really trying to win and move up the ladder. What further mess’s it up is if the guy has a higher then average mmr on his primary but really is bad on the daily profession and now hes in emerald or sapphire trying to get his daily. This creates a toxic environment and its no fun teaming up with 4 of the same profession with very poor play ability.

Maybe read up on how the system works? If you’re having trouble, wait a few days for the good players to get out of Amber and Emerald and try again.

Its not the good players in amber that are the problem its all the kitten poor bad players that have no clue how to play and have builds with no sustain that are the problem how is it that getting rid of the talent and leaveing the scrubs is going to make amber easier to get out off. Your logic is flawed.

20 wins currently not ranks

Better resources on how to rotate are a great suggestion. I’ve always been kind of amazed at how little there is out there. People reference rotating as a fact of life, but don’t offer much in the way of explaining what that is.

If you want to learn go play unranked. Learn to look at your mini map. Look for matchups that you can make a difference at. Look for caps that you can take, Look for places you can tie up more then one player for a while. Its not that hard, people go into ranked that don’t even know the mechanics of the total match and mess it up for players that want to compete. Don’t learn in ranked.

I think most people play for fun and not for #eSports. So why should they accept days of getting crushed so some arbitrary system starts to work?
You could say all the bad and mediocre players should not play the first 1-2 weeks, but then the “racers” as you call them cant speed through. Not to mention people will loose MMR if they get farmed by those “racers” and get worse and worse people in their team. The whole system is a bad joke, I would even consider it a doom-loop for soloQ players. You loose because of average players on your team to “racers”, your MMR drops. You get worse people on your team. You start loosing to teams you normally would win against. Your MMR keeps dropping. The ocassional win here and there wont outweight the 75-85% loss rate you get in this terribad system.

And as you move up, you take scrubs with you and the next division is now the as bad or worse as the first because all the “good” have now moved on forcing you to group again with scrubs. Its obvious that the Devs want you to teamup otherwise why would they hide premades

It does not make match’s ever get more even if your brought down by losses from poor teammates. As long as there is bad players coming to do dailys or any other kitten then your stuck in that pool like you were last season. Now we face premades and we cant even tell they are premade. Just faced 4 necros and an engie cant see they’re in a group anymore because you’ve hidden it. WHat did hiding this solve? This system sucks as bad as last system. Match’s are off the charts lopsided. WHY CANT YOU GUYS MAKE SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY WORKS RIGHT! You guys are like the government.

Just did a match with no traits sigil and amulet selected on a class I seldom play and still finished on top of points. Same outcome, players with no points at the end zero contribution. Working as intended I guess.

lol not even close to the truth, true pvp players will play other games that aren’t so kittened up after so many mismatches, when you solo or duo q , which happens to be what most people do, and you have 3 people with no points in the end of the match then that match is an outlier. But if its repeated continually then that’s indicative of the system. This degree of failure cant be random but systemic.

lol gw2 isn’t even close to being an esport

The last 7 matches I was with multiple players that couldn’t even get a single point, if we don’t win then I get no pips and am stuck with the scrubs. This is so kittened up.

Yeah this is a mess, matching system is so screwed up and some groups are exploiting matchups. Also losing pips in hot join because another player disconnects is so not a great idea. Who comes up with this kitten? It is taking all the fun out of this game and making the community even more hostile to players. Class balance has made a thief a liability so that the class is broke in the current meta. Again who comes up with this kitten? Don’t you have anyone that thinks this stuff through?

Mega servers make trolls very happy since they come Lyssa kill all the undead so It wont trigger then laugh about it. IMHO I think the need for one event to fail to get the one you need to start is poorly conceived. Especially since its for a trait that has to be attempted on every alt.

I get the same thing on firefox, chrome, ie9 and ie10 please address this. I’m running windows 7

Camelot unchained just made its target goal of 2mil this afternoon. 20 hours left at kickstarter.

BrockMcCleery.9562
Boulderbolg.3460:
Hopefully Camelot Unchained will come close.
Its a ways off even if they make their jump start money goal. I hope they do, I am no fan of Jacobs but his latest talk/inteview seemed to show that he ‘gets it’. I put up some cash for it, the more MMOs trying to create RvR/WvW the better.

I think Mark Jacobs made the mistake of trusting EA execs. Before EA got involved with Mythic DAoC was a blast. No time sinks the best "RvR’ there was. Then in comes EA and all went to the crapper. Expansions were loaded with time sinks just to level gear alone. If Jacobs can fund it and keep his autonomy, i like where Camelot Unchained is going.

The trouble with the ranger class is the people not knowing how to play or gear them. It has a steeper learning curve then most classes but its very good when mastered.
Nice thing about it is its not a cookie cutter class. It has many viable builds and all can melt faces when run properly. A ranger can max out vulnerability and swoop in with a great sword and a strong pet or set back trap and shoot. So many different ways to play the class but all of them take time to learn.

nirvana.8245
I was just involved in a defense of SM against ye ole BG zerg. They got through the first wall so I ran to the gate and was excited to see we had around 8 AC there. I quickly go and pick a superior AC in a safe spot. Next thing I know 8,10,12,14k damage. It was melted in about 3 seconds. It appears to be an elementalist animation. Im not familiar with them, Ive played them but don’t really like them. Is it elementalists that are nearly instantly destroying siege from positions no other class can hit?

Did it ever occur to you that it was more then one ele. I was one of them. BTW jq sneaking into our ts at the same time and streaming it on twitch, great skill in your game play. thanks for all the bags.

Might not win the war but we win the bags.

Just wondering, SoR youve been t1 for about 3 months. have you ever beaten JQ once?

I like what i see so far about teso, The back story for pvp, the rock scissor paper approach all looks great. Bethesdaso produces good products and i look forward their attempt at producing a good mmog.

I like all the original posters suggestions. The zerg ball and ppt are the big problems i feel. If they uncap AOE the zerg ball will be fixed. And points per kill rewarding in some small part your servers score would be nice to encourage small skirmishes. I wouldn’t grant rewards though if your zerged down, IE huge mass outside the portal keeps There are options to portal camping like roaming guards.

One other thing i would like to see is give more strength to the out-maned teams like stronger veterans, stronger gates and walls, and higher point rewards for the out-maned team and make the out-maned buff determined by present server pop on all maps. Servers with large rvr pops can easily fill 4 maps While smaller ones can only fill one.

Pirhana.8935
cosmicegg.8502:
DAoC 2 AKA camelot unchained after 4 days at kickstarter over 800k funded almost halfway there.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained?ref=live
Im all for Camelot Unchained but I really think TESO will bring the RVR that Everyone has been wanting since DAOC. It will have ES combat but if you look at stuff it uses teh same style as DAOC, no cool downs all abilities use endureance and power from you bar you need to manage. there is active blocking and power attacks so it could actually be better. On the other side it will still have a PVE game for people who like to do both

I like the fact that so many games want to create RVR worlds. More minds in the arena of ideas make this type of game great. DAOC was the first time i ever did any type of pvp and i was hooked since. With CU, TESO , and others in the wings i look forward to the choices. And so many of the games going with their own engine. That is quite a commitment.

DAoC 2 AKA camelot unchained after 4 days at kickstarter over 800k funded almost halfway there.
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained?ref=live

Well they’re about halfway to being funded right now. If they get the 2 million from kickstarter , Mark Jacobs is putting up 2 million more and he has another million in investors. 5 million for development is a great start.

Collision would make the game really great. And its part of the game engine already, its not enabled for player to player or npc’s . Its only been enabled for player to world.

EQ did it and i think it was a great feature of the game. They did a great job in EQ making the environment real, like trouble seeing in the dark for humans and other racial traits. I think its cheesy that you could just step through a person for positional attacks.
Kinda makes dodge roll a get out of peril key mash. DAoC was unique because the RvR worlds were reflective of the races. All the maps were different and owning realms meant dungeon access.

Strategy and ambush were used more often and zergs were only used for keep takes and relics. Keeps didn’t change hands every 3 minutes.

Keeps flip to easily in this game. And now since levels have been added more zerging is encouraged for advancement. Theirs no reason not to zerg when 50 people can all hit one person for the same wvw exp as one can solo.

the sequel to daoc is up at kickstarter as of 2 weeks ago. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/13861848/camelot-unchained?ref=live

Its getting stale for me. To much aoe damage with all the culling is like waking in the middle of time square at rush hour , everyone stacking because of aoe heals and dps. No collision detection and high aoe dps is making it old quick.

The build i run is 30 20 20. Im using the exact armor and stones but i avoid melee so I use LB SB. I want to point out this is my wvw setup. All my utility abilities are in survival, SS, QZ, LR and entainglement so reduced survival cooldowns are important to trait. I have all the bow traits traited. I kill very fast, and i use my skills to stay at range.

http://www.gw2build.com/builds/simulator.php#1.6.9.10.0.0.0.0.0.0.133.142.145.144.152.0.0.0.376.383.385.392.400.0.411.414.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.30.20.20.0.0.
Ive been running this build in borderlands for a while. The only change i make is to replace lightning reflex with signet of the hunt for running solo or muddy terrain for helping zergs with a little crowd control. But i try to fight with lightning reflexs on the bar.