Guild Wars 2

If you transfer to EU we can duel for 50 gold.

Mrbig.8019:

Phantaram.1265:

Mrbig.8019:

And even if you can’t do it, S/P thieves have 2 dodges, like all other classes.

Yeah for sure.

But it’s true.

50 % vigor uptime if steal connects.

what may be OP is the fact tha now PW can be spammed due to faster ini regen.

Cmon phanta, no one used S/P from PW damage nerf for a reason, now it’s suddenly OP ?

Hey, I was using PWhip and it was cool before stun-rounding were fixed!

Personally find pvp fun, good teams are queueing in evenings (Cheese Mode, 55hpm, etc.)
So i take my sword and trying to scratch their rating.

I believe that if they are not releasing any Glory dumps (like wintersday gifts) best way to spent glory will be crafting dyes:
10 arcane powder
1 arcane silver
1 consumable token
1 arcane orb

Consumable token costs 200 glory,

Gosh.
Even if you don’t need this AWESOME skill, just sheath your weapon immediatly after casting it.

Bumping thread up since I’ve fixed most of sound issues (finally Youtube! _)
I hope it’ll become more entertaining now!

Bumping thread up because somehow I managed to fix sound issues (finally Youtube! _)
So I hope it’ll become more entertaining.
Also for you guys commenting about utility skills, I strongly believe that the only MUST have pick for S/P is inf. signet, I’ve been using wire instead of shdstep or refuge instead of agility signet.
As a thief I’m trying to adapt to every matchup basing on what i’m going to do ^^

Vuh.1328:

impressive usage of 3

I want to count the number of whips I used in the vid only when it was already rendering, so the moment has gone!

Video is working now, also edited first post.

TomoHawkx.8139:

Great gameplay, mind sharing the build?

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsaVlYmCOncS6E/5Ey2jKUo4JvHk1YZWaFoJA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNsY9xkAA -berserker

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsaVlYmaPncS6E/5Ex2jdKUe69gsj1saFoJA-TsAA1CoIKSVkrITRyisFNsY9xkAA – soldier amu+knight’s jewel

I use both of them depends on current match-up basing in my and opposite teams. Both of them are viable, but zerker is good for “jump and spike” style, while soldier is good for sustain and spike on interrupting the heal.

I also have a thread here, basically almost nothing has changed for these 4 months:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/S-P-stun-daze-lock-build-video/first

Can I ask you guys to check it again.
Hope it will work!

Wow!
Trolled you guys a bit.
Now it is watchable!

Wow, that was my fault.
Now it is watchable!

Heya guys, this is my new vid of PistolWhip spamming
Hope you like it!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpSe3mx_lY

Heya guys.
I made a video of my beloved Pistol whip spam.
Hope you like it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcpSe3mx_lY

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsaVlYmCOncS6E/5Ey2jKUo4JvHk1YZWaFoJA-TsAg0CnIKSVkrITRyisFNsY9xkAA -berserker
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fYAQNAsaVlYmaPncS6E/5Ex2jdKUe69gsj1saFoJA-TsAA1CoIKSVkrITRyisFNsY9xkAA – soldier amu+knight’s jewel
I use both of them depends on current match-up basing in my and opposite teams. Both of them are viable, but zerker is good for “jump and spike” style, while soldier is good for sustain and spike on interrupting the heal.
I also have a thread here, basically almost nothing has changed for these 4 months:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/thief/S-P-stun-daze-lock-build-video/first

With conditions flying here and there, lyssa and shadowstep are the only reliable condition cleaners.
I came up with an idea:
Headshot – transfer one condition on interrupt
Dancing dagger – increase ini cost by one, decrease number of targets to 2 + transfer conditions on damage (so – two targets hit = two conditions transferred)

What do you guys think.
I wish to pick something different than lyssa, but it pigeonholes you to HiS and stealth traits and it is imo laughable.
Any feedback welcome!

I have sigil of fire and sigil of accuracy in my sword/pistol and on swap I have sigil of energy in bow, but I feel that it has something like 50% chance to proc on swap – sometimes it gives me energy, sometimes not.
Any opinions and ideas why is this happening?

Yo guys!
Don’t know about NA but in EU (1-50) S/P works great. I made few vids about S/P before “stun-fix” and now I’m making new one.
IMO, when it comes to real play, not on paper, all weaponsets have its uses, but in current meta the build that shine is the one that can be UTILIZED.
And stun/daze (utility tools actually) is what make S/P viable against any other spec/class because it is about how you read the game, and how you counter-play: there is a stun, there is a dodge, interrupt, blind field, and lots of jailfree cards, at least in my build.
So S/P is about staying in combat and D/P is about picking the right one. Hope we all understand it!

Bsgapollo.5364:

Rank or leadboards, my answer still remains the same. They both mean nothing to me.

So, you don’t feel excited when you face ppl from top100, who play competetive tournaments and have tons of experience?
Well, regarding you are an ele, i guess you play this game because of pure fun, so let it be. I trust you

Bsgapollo.5364:

Rank doesn’t mean anything, I’ve seen rank 40 people play better than rank 60. It’s just something to brag about and have the feeling you’re better then other people while in reality it doesn’t have anything to do with how truly skillfull you are.

Although I can’t deny that I’d rather have a rank 30 in my team then a rank 10, simply because they are more likely to understand the game mechanics then people with lower rank. However, if there does happen to be a low rank on my team I won’t say anything to that would offend his gameplay. Everyone started somewhere.

I think that questions was about leaderboard position.
And as for me, that means a lot.
Like when you enter top100 and hold there for at least 10 games, you can basically say, that in general, you’re better than those guys, hanging around ~500. And when I say better, I mean you can outplay them, you know mechanics better and feel your charachter better than they.
Being a thief myself, I can easily name all good thieves from my skill bracket, and each of them require certain counterplay, while any other thief can be dealt with ease.
That is the same for any other class, every player can name few of each class, that gave him the most trouble compared to others and I’ve found that most of these hard players are placed in top100 soloQ/teamQ.
So yes, rank means a lot, when you are trying to estimate whether you are possible to stay in fight with 10% hp or not, or when you are trying to calculate chances for win.
And if difference between you and your opponent is more than ~250 positions it also means much.

Beauregard.3162:

dDuff.3860:

It is a WvW build obviously.

I think that any build have it chances for life. But:

-Prime source of damage is Backstabs, i guess, and 53% precision is not enough to maximize it potential at all, even with perma fury it will be a solid chance to kitten your damage completely.
-Picking feline’s grace is a good choice regarding withdraw and vigorous recovery, and as D/D you’re good at dodging, but you should check how do you feel without health regen while in stealth, assuming that you always will be melee’ing your target with dd+dp

Suggestions for your build:
-Pick hidden killer
-Valkyrie armor

And If you trust me, that i’m experienced thief:
-pick a bow instead dp,
-take shadow’s rejuvenation,
-drop feline’s grace,
-drop withdraw,
-take fleet shadow
-take hide in shadows
And here you are: melee D/D thief with capability of doing 1v3-4 easily in WvW
But still, as a stealth oriented build, you can have problems with targets running away from you.
Good luck.

welp that is literally exactly what i’m running now, was thinking of changing it up a bit… guess I should just leave well enough alone.

Edit: also its a s/p swap not a d/p

My bad, then I’m sure you should drop s/p as a set that has zero access to stealth and zero benefit from it (tactical strike is a meh) when you have pistol whip and headshot, while you picking SA (stealth line)

It is a WvW build obviously.

I think that any build have it chances for life. But:

-Prime source of damage is Backstabs, i guess, and 53% precision is not enough to maximize it potential at all, even with perma fury it will be a solid chance to kitten your damage completely.
-Picking feline’s grace is a good choice regarding withdraw and vigorous recovery, and as D/D you’re good at dodging, but you should check how do you feel without health regen while in stealth, assuming that you always will be melee’ing your target with dd+dp

Suggestions for your build:
-Pick hidden killer
-Valkyrie armor

And If you trust me, that i’m experienced thief:
-pick a bow instead dp,
-take shadow’s rejuvenation,
-drop feline’s grace,
-drop withdraw,
-take fleet shadow
-take hide in shadows
And here you are: melee D/D thief with capability of doing 1v3-4 easily in WvW
But still, as a stealth oriented build, you can have problems with targets running away from you.
Good luck.

I’m in.

Ways thief can remove conditions:
-Shadowstep (stunbreak also) – 3 conditions
-Signet of agility – 1 condition (also refill endurance)
-Shadow return – 1 condition (also cast time)
-Shadow’s embrace – major adept trait – 1 condition per 3 seconds of stealth
-Pain responese – major master trait – remove bleed/burn/poison under 75% hp every 30 seconds

I’m not taking into consideration hide in shadows and withdraw as they are both remove particular conditions;
Now compare these to any class condition removal and you’ll fing that Lyssa runes is actually almost only one viable choice for thief to stay active in a combat.
Thats how the game designed.

Don’t know about it viability, but in my Queues (top50-100 eu) I barely have problems.
Yesterday I was playing vs Sizer for about 10-15 games and result was like 50/50.

Set is well rounded and you always have a chance to outplay your enemy by timing your steal and inf.signet+pistol whip. By this moment, I can also add, that shadow return nerf hurts, but you still can get used to it and achieve some good results.
Also, after yesterday sparring with Sizer I tweaked some traits and stats, but it require some testing to prove its functionality first before posting it here.

For those of us who use S/P, I’d like to know what other builds are usable in soloQ/teamQ
And what other traits do you use in this very common 10/30/0/0/30?

P.S. With PW back I went straight 400 positions to #48 in soloQ, so I guess it can indicate how useful it is in solo :P

Travlane.5948:

its ok for PVE. dont expect much more out of it tho.

It was ok before they fixed stuns
Now it is awesome back again

Love S/P back to game!
Cya all guys!
Be awared!

Won today 3 4v5 (4 on my team)
Everything is possible with this new brand leaderboards.

Here is Faeleth, the Honorable Daughter of the Pale Tree taking a nap on the edge of the mists.

Since there is no point to worry about ranks atm (reset incoming), i still worried about system functioning so I want Anet to know this fact.

So recently, i get into match where I faced these great players
In red team there were:
shh Shad shh – rank 58
Nu Pogodii – rank 36
Harrywinky – rank 83
Ayeres – rank 99
Supercook Noc – rank 44

Blue team:
Winde – 104
Asleif Einarsdottir – 219
Aphenda – not in LB1000
Faeleth – 47
Kugtugiyyufogg -334

All data is according to up to date gwshack.info

I mean, is it supposed to be a balanced match, or is at a flaw in system?
Thanks for your attention.

JonPeters.5630:

Sorry for the typos, this is from my phone on the bus. Not for dec 10, because it takes time to do, but we are intending to make pistol whip into 2 skills(similar to flanking strike) so we can split initiative costs and balance canceling to chain stun. This is on the docket for the next patch.

Jon

Yo guys. Brb to Sexy pistolwhips soon!

January 7th patchnotes:
Backstab now blind instead of damage.

QQ more!!!
Enough of rough whine about thief mechanics. Backstab is nowhere near being OP.
And even 9k is a lackluster according to all weaknesses thief has. Just l2p

Justin, hello
Is there any plans on implementing “check” system to prevent 4v5 matches?

Yep, absolutely, I’d say precision is even better stat than power since you want to crit on every shot from your unloads.

Since they are buffing warriors with every patch, i think:
-They will give invisibility and backstab to warriors (it can be EASILY countered with sic’em!!!)
-New warrior skill: summon phantasmal warriors – call 2 warrior’s clones, that have 50% hp, 50% damage
-Warriors will be able to summon spectral weapons to help them in combat
-On 10% hp warrior is immune to damage and can only die by falling.

Hey man, nice build there, think it will work (probably) but as P/P you don’t have so much profit from landing poisons like you do with P/D (which benefits from constant condition pressure). IMO you just sacrificing your potential into teamwide buff, which is good, but there are sets that synergize better with it.
http://intothemists.com/calc/?build=-cRR3R;0VwF_07-BOFd0;9;49T;0T2;047A;449ALJV4U;1KJG4KJG45By
If you want P/P try this.
You should be like rangedDPS (staff ele/SDengi/LB ranger) – but you have that big mobility on a particular fight and a lot of burst option with switch to D/P. It also your escape mechanic when your cooldowns are blown – you are just switching to melee set and BP+HS out of problems.
While being effective at range you have a lot of tricks as D/P zerker thief. Being very confusing on top of that (skillset shown to enemy like S/D, using withdraw, going d/p stealth and shooting out of stealth with flurry of bullets) is a win ticket.
Later on this week i’ll post a vid (you may have seen some my vids) about it in top100tier.
Stay in touch!)

Can we please get a REDPOST here?

Build something like 10/0/0/30/30 and pick soldier/shaman’s
S/D+SB and just spam evades endlessly – bunkering points with zero effort.

Still no any red post on warrior bug and no post for this.
I’m losing faith.

Mrbig.8019:

still no dev answer ?

Why don’t they understand they’ve UNINTENIONALLY totally broken a set ?

And no answer on warrior’s “leg specialist”
Seems like it was intentional

Ya thief is perfect in any sense.
My only regret is that weapon set i mastered got unintentionally nerfed to the ground. This is sad.

Paulo.8459:

Is that after the patch yesterday?

No, it few weeks before. Thought you were asking for it -_-
Pistol whip is not really anywhere near being useful.

Ugruk.4069:

They just have to buff the pistol whip to a full second and it will be good again.
Now will that happen in a near future? I highly doubt it… because you know “We dont want to do anything rash like we did before”.

Thats the only thing I can’t understand!
So everyone comments that Pistol Whip (key ability of the whole set) is not usable now → weaponset is subpar. Ok lets have for another patch for about 4 months!

I still have hopes for hotfix → Warrior permaimmobilize, may be thiefs will get their stuff hotfixed too.

Paulo.8459:

Show me some footage of you successfully using S/P. Then i’ll believe you

Just no.
climbed to #40 easily with S/P

Shukran.4851:

pantsforbirds.9032 : that’s the pw after patch? cool i be you can kill rabbits in pve now easier than before.. the pw damage is soo op it deserved a nerf/fix to his stun. i say pw is a useless set up since november, why would someone buff it.

dDuff.3860 : yeah, why play a high risk medium reward pw when you have other sets less difficult ? what is “sic em”

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/%22Sic_'Em%22

S/P was a really good set, nevermore.

They want us to go D/P because they invented this “Sic em”, why would you guys play sexy-stealthless S/P, you are not allowed to, because you, as a thief, should be countered with “sic em”.
End of story.

Reiko.1560:

Ryan.8367:

Oh ok, that makes sense then. Wanna duel me now since you can’t spam pistol whip stuns with para and I can reveal you now?

You lost to PW thief? LMFAO

PW is a good spec and fine for dueling. It was…

So. With recent nerf (should i say fix) it is nearly impossible to land at least few strikes of pistol whip on good opponents.
Good game.