Guild Wars 2

^^Exactly that is what I thought the intention was.

I don’t see the point of making certain types exclusive to certain types of content. They were always so big on “freedom” and letting you choose the way you want to play.

In the patch notes they list the following:

A new category of infusion, the utility infusion
Ascended amulets
Crafting starter kits
WvW blueprints
Obsidian shards
New boosters, advanced harvesting tools, and crafting trophy bags
A new, unique miniature: Goedulf, the mythical wolf-cub spirit that protects lost norn children
A new, unique miniature: Chauncey von Snuffles III, who placed second in the Divinity’s Reach Fanciest Cat competition

I notice that ascended RINGS aren’t mentioned. Are rings still Fractal exclusive? Are amulets Laurel exclusive? Or are both available through both avenues.

Kreen.3925:

drwookie.6391:

Kreen.3925:

Baels.3469:

Fully expecting JQ to post a 40k lead by the time I log on Monday night. Dis ridiculous coverage.

We are doing well currently so our fairweather players come out to play. You are not doing so well so your fairweather players are staying at home. Normal course of events.
Plus a major chunk of your coverage is still sobering up. I am sure things will be back to normal come Monday/Tuesday.

This is actually a central problem of WvW that was brought up early in beta.

The mechanisms of the game don’t encourage you to continue to try to win when you are in WvW. The game mode is optional, and the monetary/time loss associated with fighting a losing battle is great. There isn’t enough encouragement (and too much punishment) to keep the vast majority involved. You end up left with only the most dedicated WvWers continuing to fight. Meanwhile the winning team, with their low risk amend high reward, get flocks of people playing who would otherwise not bother.

The breakout events were a very poor attempt to address the issue. The fact that the out manned buff hasn’t changed since release is a sign that they don’t realize this problem, or they are just ignoring it.

Some people need a carrot before they do anything. Some folks just enjoy hitting things with a stick. Let’s see what patch day brings.

Exactly. The winning team however has both groups of people playing, while the losing team only gets the people who enjoy hitting things. It just makes any population imbalance worse because there is no incentive to log into WvW if you are losing, and there is a lot of incentive if you are winning.

It’s something a number of MMOs do these days. Have a dedicated server that gets content and patches first, for larger scale bug testing from the player base.

Anet have any plans for this? Not saying it is the best system, but just curious. Not sure how it would work with WvW. Probably be left out.

Kreen.3925:

Baels.3469:

Fully expecting JQ to post a 40k lead by the time I log on Monday night. Dis ridiculous coverage.

We are doing well currently so our fairweather players come out to play. You are not doing so well so your fairweather players are staying at home. Normal course of events.
Plus a major chunk of your coverage is still sobering up. I am sure things will be back to normal come Monday/Tuesday.

This is actually a central problem of WvW that was brought up early in beta.

The mechanisms of the game don’t encourage you to continue to try to win when you are in WvW. The game mode is optional, and the monetary/time loss associated with fighting a losing battle is great. There isn’t enough encouragement (and too much punishment) to keep the vast majority involved. You end up left with only the most dedicated WvWers continuing to fight. Meanwhile the winning team, with their low risk amend high reward, get flocks of people playing who would otherwise not bother.

The breakout events were a very poor attempt to address the issue. The fact that the out manned buff hasn’t changed since release is a sign that they don’t realize this problem, or they are just ignoring it.

Churros.7196:

Btw, how does the potion affect culling? I’ve seen a whole zerg on SOS BL all using the ghost tonic and I saw them fine from far away.

Ya ditto. I’ve seen large groups of people using it and wondered “Why are they doing that?”. I never seemed to notice them being like “more invisible” or anything.

However I also wasn’t there at 4:30 pm today so I can’t comment on that specific instance.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Majik.8521:

Gab Superstar.4059:

blurps.2340:

The current badge system is terrible and should not be the base for anything until it’s been completely reworked.

It rewards glass cannons and mindless damage spam over team oriented builds and tactical and objective based gameplay. That’s just ridiculous design in a highly objective based game mode.

What you are suggesting is that they should reward Badges of Honor for doing PvE. Badges on player kills is the only reliable way of making sure that Badges are awarded for actual PvP.

I think what he is saying is that support builds should get a little more recognition. for example i have so many gear sets that i change often depending what i feel like doing.

So when i am in my GC gear/build and mainly focusing on doing as much damage as i can then the support guardian shout warrior or what ever is next to me giving me much better dps and survivability should get some credit for the damage i am doing, as they are helping me do it. I would have to agree with him if this is the case.

I may be wrong but this is just what i got from his post.

I agree, support builds should be rewarded.

But again, objective game play (which he specifically mentions) CANNOT be rewarding without being exploited.

Ya I realize now he was talking about BOTH (he said team-based builds and objective based gameplay).

Unfortunately yes rewarding the objectives is difficult without introducing exploits. It is something that I do think should be pursued though (not really quite sure how).

That guy who volunteers to stay behind at Bay as a scout (and to refresh siege) is probably worth >5 people in the zerg running around on the field. And yet he just hears in VOIP about the epic battle, the loot bags and the tower cap. He gets nothing except a “pat on the back” and a “thanks” for keeping hundreds of supply worth of siege going, as well as informing the team when their opponents are rushing with golems.

Personally while I think on the surface your basic observations of how WvW work are correct, what makes it fun is how you can take those basics (For example, you listed planting two rams down and just spamming 1 a bunch of times until the gate falls) and turn it into something more effective. And in return, your enemies can do the same with their defense.

For example (I have limited time so I have to keep this short):

A massive zerg standing in front of the gate spamming 1 can reduce the effectiveness of the rams. If you can coordinate with people and get them all to stand back, mesmers can rotate (which again would require coordination) Timewarp to make rams quicker, taking the gate down faster.

In addition, that massive zerg is also probably more effective acting as scouts and rearguard, because if the defending time wants to advance their strategy (instead of just sitting there shooting arrowcarts), they may be preparing for something like a portal bomb behind the siege to wipe out the attackers from behind.

Another strategy I always enjoy is sneaking up to a tower and dropping siege but making sure NO ONE attacks so no orange swords come up. Sometimes you can be ignored entirely if your main force is at another site attacking the same location. We’ve gotten through some keeps/garrisons in the past that way.

To me however all of this requires a Voice-chat system. My first couple of days in WvW I hated it…I kept running around, dying, then having to run again. In beta I complained that the run time was too long. Once I started being active with a group in Voice-chat….I might have to run back from spawn like once every hour or so (unless we as a group decide to port back) because I know my teammates are there to get me up. The VOIP also makes all the strategy that much easier. A well-coordinated group in WvW goes far beyond the examples you gave, and that is when WvW becomes fun (in my opinion).

Stiv.1820:

Arekai.5698:

Make them obtainable through badges.
I have like 2k because you can’t spend them on anything.
You get pvt gear easily and way faster outside and for siege you just do the jp once and you’re set.

They’re kitten worthless and i really have no nerves to grind daily after daily just to hope lady RNG will love me some day.
Go to hell with this RNG kitten.

This is sadly exactly why they won’t ever make badges useful. They have been mostly useless for this long so everyone has a ton of them. Anything good they add is just like automatically giving most WvWers the items(s).

I dont’ see a problem with that, since those who have been focusing on PVE have been collecting the same items, they have just spent them overtime. They could have saved their tokens if they wanted to, but they didn’t.

Gab Superstar.4059:

blurps.2340:

The current badge system is terrible and should not be the base for anything until it’s been completely reworked.

It rewards glass cannons and mindless damage spam over team oriented builds and tactical and objective based gameplay. That’s just ridiculous design in a highly objective based game mode.

What you are suggesting is that they should reward Badges of Honor for doing PvE. Badges on player kills is the only reliable way of making sure that Badges are awarded for actual PvP.

Not quite.

What I believe he is talking to is that while in a battle (PVP battle), the badge system rewards those who are solely focused 100% on doing as much pure damage as possible to as many people as possible. You are required to deal some percentage of the dmg to a enemy to qualify for xp (to have a chance for a loot bag, to have a chance for a bag). Those who focus more on lower damage/increased utility skills (some conditions where the dmg is slow and steady instead of a burst, many support type skills, crowd control skills etc…) all get the short end of the stick. Are those people participating in PVP? Of course they are, but since they aren’t directly doing damage they don’t get as many rewards.

It is a messed up system, but it is inherent in the system they built and I don’t think they will change it. It is why I rarely play my main anymore (Support Guardian).

Only a WvW player cries a little on the inside when they are in EB, defending their garrison with their lives, calling for help and sees someone in Team chat ask “Hey is there a mesmer who can portal me in the jumping puzzle?”

Basedgod.7328:

Gab Superstar.4059:

How are badges useless? They buy PVT gear which is highly sought after.

And siege of course.

Not useless. But I dont think people feel compelled to spend the rather scarce badges on blueprints and PVT gear that can be attained easier through other avenues. Unless the player exclusively plays WvW, of course.

Just needs alot more options to spend these badges on.

Exactly.

I’m going on almost 2000 badges. It’s just not worth using it on siege when the price in silver isn’t that high. And gear, I can usually buy as well.

I’m saving them in hopes that one day they will decide that WvWers are not second-class citizens, and actually give us more options.

I’m sure the players on SoS will miss you.

However I do have to wonder…. Was the question format really necessary?

This better not be their WvW method of best accumulation.

being a 99% WvWer in this game (I only pve when in queues), I continue to feel like the unwanted step child. Or that guy with leprosy that they want to toss in the corner and feed occasionally, if they remember.

piramid.4326:

Mini Crinny.6190:

piramid.4326:

Hi,

Anyone who is here to consider if not to join SoS, JQ or BT, might also want to check this: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/guilds/guilds/Seafarer-s-Rest-EU-Night-Crew

Seafarer’s Rest is T1 (EU) server with a medium population, so there is a challenge and a room for anyone who wants to take it up.

You are more then welcome.

Best regards to all,

Pyramid

Hey, im Euro! but id rather stay in NA servers :]
Dont see the need to post this in a WvW thread between 3 servers talking about figthing each other and you asking to go to euro servers tbh. Oo

Well, I beg your pardon. It is true that you guys from SoS, JQ and BG are discussing here over your current encounter but, at the some time, many visitors who are still undecided where to stay after 28’th are serching for the clue also in this thread. I do not mean to harm your community in any way, I am just giving an opption to consider. ….though I know it looks like a salesman’s job … brrrr

Kind regards,

Pyramid

Your post was still incredibly off topic though. It would be more on topic in the threads about joining SoS/JQ/BG. However it would still be incredibly inappropriate.

transtemporal.2158:

drwookie.6391:

We (JQ) have a guy hanging out on our borderlands at Spiritholme (north supply camp) constantly using supply to build golems. When politely (or otherwise) asked to stop, he makes some complaint about Temple of Balthazar.

So why don’t you leave a couple of your own guys there and when he completes a golem, jump in it and port it back to spawn?

We did just that. Got four golems from it.

The trollish part was he wouldn’t let us upgrade to double yaks, even after asking several times. It made it harder to upgrade our east and west towers.

Tarem.4072:

drwookie.6391:

We (JQ) have a guy hanging out on our borderlands at Spiritholme (north supply camp) constantly using supply to build golems. When politely (or otherwise) asked to stop, he makes some complaint about Temple of Balthazar.

When we finally managed to get an upgrade through, a large group of Blackgate (Mostly HB) appear (literally RIGHT after the upgrade finished) and took the camp.

Now of course I can’t blame anyone, because he isn’t representing a guild. However, it is awfully troll like (though I guess since he is building golems he could argue “But i’m being useful!” as opposed to building rams). He ignores any requests to allow us to upgrade the camp (until that one time we managed to get an upgrade in before he could use 10 supply to keep the supply down).

In any case…if anyone is resorting to a tactic like that (having someone on an opposing server to clear supply to avoid upgrades). I’d just like to say, bad form. Very bad form. Poor sportsmanship, if that is what is really going on. I would say that if it was someone on my server doing it. I would CERTAINLY, if that person was in my guild, kick him immediately.

Anyway, just thought I’d mention it. If anyone wants to know his account name to check if he is in your guild, let me know in a PM and I can send it to you.

EDIT: His account name is quite literally evidence in itself that it is a troll, though I don’t want to post it in public here. He has been reported, however there really isn’t a proper category for this.

Heh, my guild ran into him when we went in to take the supply camp. We thought you guys were planning for an attack on hills. He is probably a BG troll. I heard they are aiming for you guys this week. Which makes sense since they are barely attacking us in your BL.

He was honestly a very strange troll, if that.

By the end of it I ended up with like 8 arrow carts, 6 ballistas, 5 catapults, 6 rams and a treb from him. He started just dropping a ton of siege boxes everywhere without saying anything. I really couldn’t make any sense out of any of it. He kept complaining about the balthazar temple.

GekoHayate.2451:

drwookie.6391:

We (JQ) have a guy hanging out on our borderlands at Spiritholme (north supply camp) constantly using supply to build golems. When politely (or otherwise) asked to stop, he makes some complaint about Temple of Balthazar.

Blackgate on SOS BL have the same people constantly upgrading supply camps the moment we flip them draining all supply, despite being asked not to and given an explanation why. Trolls gonna troll.

Its been a fun reset trying to muster up enough supply to put a dent in paper doors =/

Ya i figure it is probably happen on every server. Perhaps the cessation of free transfers will help, though judging by the account name of the guy doing it on our server I’m guessing it is a second account that he purchased (He has the name leroy in his account name…if that isn’t a troll I don’t know what is…)

We (JQ) have a guy hanging out on our borderlands at Spiritholme (north supply camp) constantly using supply to build golems. When politely (or otherwise) asked to stop, he makes some complaint about Temple of Balthazar.

When we finally managed to get an upgrade through, a large group of Blackgate (Mostly HB) appear (literally RIGHT after the upgrade finished) and took the camp.

Now of course I can’t blame anyone, because he isn’t representing a guild. However, it is awfully troll like (though I guess since he is building golems he could argue “But i’m being useful!” as opposed to building rams). He ignores any requests to allow us to upgrade the camp (until that one time we managed to get an upgrade in before he could use 10 supply to keep the supply down).

In any case…if anyone is resorting to a tactic like that (having someone on an opposing server to clear supply to avoid upgrades). I’d just like to say, bad form. Very bad form. Poor sportsmanship, if that is what is really going on. I would say that if it was someone on my server doing it. I would CERTAINLY, if that person was in my guild, kick him immediately.

Anyway, just thought I’d mention it. If anyone wants to know his account name to check if he is in your guild, let me know in a PM and I can send it to you.

EDIT: His account name is quite literally evidence in itself that it is a troll, though I don’t want to post it in public here. He has been reported, however there really isn’t a proper category for this.

All I want to add to this is:

Please kids, stay in school. No amount of coverage in a video game is worth skipping school. In the real world, nobody cares that you are winning in build wars 2. So play your hardest, but don’t skip school or lose sleep just to be the best in a video game….it honestly isn’t worth it. Don’t let anyone tell you it.

Carry on.

To the BG who was just in the attack on Hills in your borderlands, and who fell off the cliff on the south side and died from the fall:

When I laughed at you it wasn’t necessarily directed at you. There were several people in your group both north at the Trebs and then south when you guys got in who were doing /laugh and /beckon (especially when some of our attempts at taking out your trebs failed). It striked me as having a bad attitude, so I was simply returning the favor. If you were one of those people, it WAS meant for you (you really should’t beckon/laugh if in the end you wipe). But if it WASN"T you, then please ignore. It was intended for others.

In any case, great battle over the past couple hours around Hills in BGBL. It’s been fun. You guys have tried all sorts of things (Omega golem, trebs from south and north etc…) and we are barely surviving with our crew.

I’ve been with the same people in this guild since just a few days after the game started. Awesome group of people. We have a great active core that use TS every day. Great place for someone who is looking for intelligent, mature WvW gameplay. Plenty of great commanders, and always looking for more.

Great place to be if you want to have a support network in WvW. We also work well and have a great relationship with all the other major guilds on JQ, so the teamwork is great all around.

Xavi.6591:

Disagree. Me rallying from a player who kills an NPC who I also tagged is great.

Don’t get me wrong. I like it when it happens to me.

However, in general, I think the mechanic just doesn’t make sense. Why should you rally when your opponent defeated an enemy? How is that “rallying” you to fight more? You saw your enemy defeat something? If anything shouldn’t that LOWER your morale, not raise it?

I don’t mind that there are PvE mobs in WvW, and it is really isn’t bad that you can rally when mobs die. The problem is when you are fighting and players rally from YOU killing them (or you rally) because of a random PvE mob that was killed by AoE’s.

I would propose that either mobs don’t rally anyone if any Player vs player dmg was taken while in combat, OR at the very least mobs don’t rally enemies if the killing blow is made by you or a teammate.

Barfoi.9537:

because we play smarter, we play more coordinated, and we have a plan

Hmm? When JQ had no significant numbers on EB yesterday to distract BG, SoS failed miserably for hours trying to take Anz. I kept thinking, “are they seriously trying that same thing for a 4th time?”. In the end, the tower was 100%, and SoS’ main forces apparently routed to other maps because they weren’t “smarter”, “coordinated” or “had a plan” to handle BG on its own. Well, they might’ve had a plan, but there weren’t enough JQ online to accommodate it.

In the end, I would rather BG endure a constant 2vs1 and lose, than to rely on another server to guarantee its success. It looks like that’s the way it’ll be, too, and if so, it’s just disappointing that we might not see any large-scale battles between all three servers (on EB).

Oh, and your post — especially as a Guild Leader — reflects quite negatively upon your server. I could be wrong, but the presumable arrogance it expressed was enough to warrant my comment at least. Perhaps I should not expect any less, though?

Oh (#2), and I’m just expressing my own thoughts and opinions which, in themselves, could be entirely incorrect/misinformed/skewed/etc.

I’m in JQ and to be honest your post reflects more poorly on your server than his does on SOS. Get over yourselves. Do your post and if you lose, lose with dignity. The crap about how you would rather deserve your win than “rely” on another server just makes you sound like you can’t handle the fact that you’re losing.

Sorry just an observation.

Coldness.9628:

Sos +390
JQ +255
Blackgate +50 ??
Nooo, Please nooo ~~~

This happens to you too, Blackgate
I don’t want SBI back to T1 and face SoS/JQ 2v1 again
Even I don’t think SBI have any chance back to T1

JQ think attack 3rd server can able to be #1, so strange
They just want to stay at #2

From above posts, I found out they spawn camping you guys too, even they have “another” enemy next to them? so sad

Next one will be SoR ??

I guess practically the entire morning spent A. in EB attacking towers with green flags on them and B. in SoS borderlands trying to hold Bay….that was just us attacking BG. Maybe BG owned those green towers and they are just super sneaky and put up fake flags! That’s it…super sneaky…

Wotah.2975:

drwookie.6391:

I agree. if I’m going to trash talk it’s going to be about my own server. I’m glad to see that people on the outside still see that about JQ because to be honest the past couple weeks has really pushed me to my limit. We have FAR less people listening to each other than we have in the past. Our TS is typically empty outside of Friday. PUGs are arguing with commanders, instead of helping them out. Sometimes I wish we would drop down because in the long run it might help us.

I don’t see any of this that you speak of. We have complex conversations about such things over on our forum, bring your question and we can all discuss your opinions.

You haven’t noticed how empty the official TS server is? Even during prime time? Mos tdays I log in and there are maybe 4 or 5 people in a channel (3 of them will be commanders).

The lip was on a BL on Saturday, I forget which one sorry. People saying stuff like “See we wiped that zerg we don’t have to follow a commander” (referring to killing 10-15 enemies outside of the bay gate when we were trebbing bay from garrison…I guess it must have been JQBL now that I say that). We literally had a group of 3 commanders + 3 or 4 others running with them, because no one else would follow. It was crazy.

elkirin.8534:

JQ has been in Tier 1 a very long time, is very organised to the point of most players knowing what they should do and they can put together fantastic coverage and 24/7 PPT when they choose, they have experienced wins and losses.

It is good to be proud of your server, but try not to trash talk other servers or guild, we need everyone to make the game fun.

I agree. if I’m going to trash talk it’s going to be about my own server. I’m glad to see that people on the outside still see that about JQ because to be honest the past couple weeks has really pushed me to my limit. We have FAR less people listening to each other than we have in the past. Our TS is typically empty outside of Friday. PUGs are arguing with commanders, instead of helping them out. Sometimes I wish we would drop down because in the long run it might help us.

MagiKarp.8201:

Love the “SoS has 24hr coverage” we don’t, we just have dedicated guilds ready to pull all nighters, tonight MERC pulled a 4pm till 2am stretch of coverage, which burns us commanders out, I had some good opposition from BG in BG BL and when Amarathy took over he crushed the JQ out of SoS BL.

The coverage issue is about player dedication not simply having more players, I commanded for over 6 hours tonight to fill in the coverage hole and NA has woken up early in order to relieve us. SoS’s community is dedicated, our EU coverage is non-existent but we stretch both Oceania and NA to cover this lapse.

Organise better and communicate and you’ll be amazed of the coverage and ppt you can achieve.

Well from your own description it sounds like you do have 24 hr coverage, but just though “dedication” and not purely numbers. It’s still 24 hr coverage though, but your own admission.

If that is the case though, major props to you guys. I could never dedicate that kind of time to the game. When I play, I’m always in WvW….but I just can’t move my schedule around to fit the demands of the game. It’s awesome that so many on one server can do that.

EDIT: If there are 3 servers like that then you all truly need to be the “Tier 1” group of servers. Unfortunately I don’t think there are. I’ve said it to people in TS on JQ before…if we drop down to Tier 2 at some point it is because we don’t deserve to be in Tier 1. Even now we are a shadow of what we once were a few months ago. Our TS server has about a quarter or less even in prime time of what we used to have. On Saturday we had to have all 3 commanders in one borderland gather together just to get 5-10 PUGs to gather on them, and when they asked for more people were giving them lip about it and complaining. It is really a shame.

Cirus.5748:

Aorin.9168:

So now SoS is spawn camping us in EB? I see you are now T1 because you have the numbers and the “night crew”. Not because of any skill or class. I’ve seen better sportsmanship in our T2 encounters.

The Blackgate that showed up on Friday was amazing, it was one the strongest openings to a match up that I have ever seen. Not only that, SoS are ALWAYS first on the opening day, Blackgate are the first server in nearly 4 months to break this rhythm.

If the same Blackgate that showed up in the first 24 hours, showed up on the second day of the match up, the scores would be a lot closer. I do not understand, why the same people that logged in on Friday, didn’t login on the day after, and the one after?

It looks as though Blackgate have given up, it’s a shame because your server is far more capable than this.

Maybe it is different on SoS, but at least on JQ the difference between Friday and pretty much every other day is staggering. People show up for friday, put in a great effort and then lose the enthusiasm (possible because we aren’t winning by the end of it?). They don’t show up again. On friday we have queues in all 4 maps, on any other day I’ve only seen a queue on many one at most. It’s unfortunate.

Pinkus.2860:

I think we’re doing quite well considering the obvious lack of coverage compared to the other two servers I’ve thoroughly enjoyed seeing 40+ people flipping camps. Pro strats are pro ^.^

Similar coverage story. i remember at one point on Saturday going over to the BG borderland to take to take something (it was all owned by BG). We could BARELY gather up the 10 required for the breakout event. We were all excited with Mister Siegerazer when out of number comes a 40+ man HB zerg that seemed to just be there waiting to crush us. We tried to take camps and were greeted by the massive zerg each time, but could only muster like 10 people. Felt sad after awhile and left.

All servers, no matter how massive (except perhaps HoD in their heyday) have some coverage gaps. Sometimes you are running around with a massive group and no one to fight, other times there are a ton of people to fight and you can barely rally a handful. It’s unfortunately how important those coverage issues play in the grand scheme of things, but its uncontrollable.

elkirin.8534:

Enough bickering, the ingame fights this week are good and I for one welcome BG back to Tier 1. There have been some new tactics, some we have not seen for awhile and IMHO, there are some lessons being learned by all sides.

Good luck, see you on the battlefield

In all seriousness, I totally agree. Earlier today BG had a treb in a spot to hit one of our trebs, that I never knew about. I definitely learned something, and I thank them for that.

Leo Paul.1659:

I see no reason in teaming up with JQ. I dislike them because they QQ too much in the forums just like me. I’m sure they wouldn’t like to have an alliance with me either. I speak for the whole SOS server because I say so.

I am the god of JQ, and when I say “I” I am referring to the entire server. I don’t like you. I won’t team up with you. I have spoken.

Ardon.4105:

Can we go back to pointlessly arguing about coverage? Pointlessly arguing about 2v1ing has been done to death. I think the tier 1 thread has been through the pointless culling argument already. Maybe we could come up with something new and equally useless to argue about.

I would suggest we all be nice to each other, but this thread would get rather dull if that were the case. Oh well, carry on I suppose.

I haven’t heard pointless complaining/arguing about spies lately…we could try that for awhile?

Xirin.8593:

drwookie.6391:

And yet when I provide evidence to counter your argument, you just claim it is an “exception to the rule”. So it seems we are at an impasse. Continue to complain all you want I guess since you won’t listen to evidence against your stance.

We can continue this over PM if you’d like, but in short: posting one scenario versus virtually countless (we could post a screenshot for every minute over the past 36 hours and they would be almost identical) is not quite overwhelming evidence in your favor. Again, 2v1 is legit. Denying it is not.

Kunagisa.7361:

Hi guys, this is the evidence of SoS and JQ teaming up against BG in EB

/squints at borderlands

I remember that push from earlier this afternoon. I was flabbergasted. Alas, it was fleeting.

I guess we will agree to disagree. Continue complaining if it makes you feel better.

Xirin.8593:

drwookie.6391:

So I guess instead I’ll just state that omg you and SoS are 2v1ing JQ like all the time and any example you give against that is merely an exception to the rule.

Feel free to state whatever you want. Without evidence it will mean nothing.

And yet when I provide evidence to counter your argument, you just claim it is an “exception to the rule”. So it seems we are at an impasse. Continue to complain all you want I guess since you won’t listen to evidence against your stance.

Xirin.8593:

drwookie.6391:

Interesting…I"ve been on JQBL this afternoon and I seem to recall when BG made their big push to take our bay, SoS conveniently ported into the zone and went after Hills and pushed to inner.
So who was 2 v 1 who again?

There is no exception to the rule that every rule has an exception.
- James Thurber

So I guess instead I’ll just state that omg you and SoS are 2v1ing JQ like all the time and any example you give against that is merely an exception to the rule.

Xirin.8593:

Thobek.1730:

What makes you think BG is so special we need to double team you.

It’s merely observation. For the past 24 hours there has been almost no green on JQ BL, no blue on SOS BL, while both have been on BG BL 24/7. Also, I don’t think Klovan/Quentin have been flipped at all.

These are facts, not speculation. I posted a screenshot from 18 hours ago. It looks almost identical to this one. We don’t need Sherlock Holmes to deduce this for us.

Interesting…I"ve been on JQBL this afternoon and I seem to recall when BG made their big push to take our bay, SoS conveniently ported into the zone and went after Hills and pushed to inner.

So who was 2 v 1 who again?

(I’m not trying to suggest the 2 v 1 is exclusively against JQ, I’m just pointing out that we all 2v1 one each other. Get over yourselves and focus on the battlefield, not on complaining about it)

PredatoR.5247:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VObBd5v6jTY

Saw this on friday. So dramatic. Made me chuckle.

Art.9820:

I don’t get what is with some SoS and their need to prove they are #1, guys WvW is a numbers game, tactics come second XD until a server with same capabilities on numbers makes it to T1 you will actually see who’s better, sooo everyone chill~~ let em be #1 :P

Well technically they shouldn’t need to prove they are number 1, because they are essentially. They have won 6/7 (I think 7 total, or is it 8 now?) since joining Tier 1 against JQ and SBI. So currently they are number 1, and there is really no way to dispute that. Yes we (JQ) won last week, but that doesn’t change the fact that in the current matchup of these 3 servers they are clearly dominating.

Now if they want to claim they are number 1 in skill/tactics or what have you, I agree that it can be a little bit harder (RE: Impossible) to prove that. The WvW game isn’t designed to identify the number 1 server in terms of skill ALONE. It is a combination of many things.

SoS right now has the right combination of whatever they have to make themselves number 1. That just can’t be disputed. We can’t comment on individual aspects of the battle (individual player skill, player cohesiveness/teamwork, player numbers etc…), we can only really guess at each individual thing. This is all coming from someone from JQ since the beginning (and I pretty much exclusively play WvW when I’m online….like 95% or so).

I have an Intel I7-2600k (3.4), 8 gb RAM and 1 gb 560Ti. Not that far off from you.

All of my settings are on the highest, with the exception of a couple of things that I forget. I still get around 30 fps in the zergs.

I have an Intel I7-2600k (3.4), 8 gb RAM and 1 gb 560Ti. Not that far off from you.

All of my settings are on the highest, with the exception of a couple of things that I forget. I still get around 30 fps in the zergs.

I have an Intel I7-2600k (3.4), 8 gb RAM and 1 gb 560Ti. Not that far off from you.

All of my settings are on the highest, with the exception of a couple of things that I forget. I still get around 30 fps in the zergs.

Jedahs.2713:

@drwookie

Definitely not directed at you personally. Edited original post. Apologies if offended you by accident.

Just my general view of officer duties in MERC guild.

Ah okay thanks. Like I said to each his own. I wouldn’t become an officer because I know I wouldn’t be able to meet those standards, it’s just not how I play video games. And apologies as well for any offense I may have caused. I’m on JQ and I’ll say SoS always brings the pain, and I’d rather have a tough opponent than a lazy one (this week is far more fun than last week to be honest).

Jedahs.2713:

drwookie.6391:

@Jedahs

From that post do I understand correctly that you guys need to “apply” to get “leave of absence”? From a video game? Maybe I interpreted it wrong, just checking. To each his own I guess.

Video game or not, we are an organization and the actions of key people such as officers and organization approved commanders affect a lot of members. Officer status is not just for ego stroking. You are in a leadership position because you need to serve your members and drive the organization and the server forward.

Applying for a leave of absence is just being responsible towards your organization, guild members and server. Leaders take extra efforts and responsibilities so that our members can enjoy a casual yet amazing WvW experience. Those who wish to rise to the challenge of leadership are carefully chosen and informed of their duties so that they can make an informed decision before doing so.

Being lazy, procrastinating, or irresponsible just because it’s a game is a reflection on your personal character, not just in a video game. In which case, please don’t attempt at leadership anywhere, until you reached a certain level of maturity. I myself have not attempted to run a guild for the last 10 years of my MMO gaming life, until now, because I knew I was not ready in terms of maturity and experience.

I may only play for 2 hours a day nowadays, but I make sure that every second of those 2 hours are productive and drive the organization forward while solidifying it’s foundation for the sake of our guild and server.

Thank you for the explanation. We clearly just define the term “play” differently. I agree that what you do in a video game may be a reflection on your personal character, but perhaps we also view being “lazy” or “irresponsible” in a game differently. I have no qualms gambling my gold away, or wasting time hopping around a jumping puzzle with a friend, or jumping off a cliff because it’s funny. As long as I am enjoying myself all of those activities are equally productive while in the game, because I am there for fun.

I would hope that the use of the “you” pronoun in your third paragraph is not intended to be directed at me specifically. You’ll notice I don’t often post on these forums so it is unlikely you know anything at all about me. You are unable to judge me based on my simple question of whether or not officers truly need to apply to be out of a video game (To be honest that still sounds surprisingly serious to me, but I’ve also never been in a major competitive guild in any game before, because I lack the interest). If you believe you can judge me based on that, then I believe it may be you who needs to work on your level of maturity.

@Jedahs

From that post do I understand correctly that you guys need to “apply” to get “leave of absence”? From a video game? Maybe I interpreted it wrong, just checking. To each his own I guess.

Straylight.7408:

Greenfeen.4390:

Straylight.7408:

I just started a new human character on Aurora Glade and I see tons of people running around doing events & heartquests in Queensdale. Holidays are certainly one of the reasons for that and the number of people will certainly drop down a bit once holidays are over but…

Greenfeen.4390:

I’m one of those that tried to start with the first big rush through but irl got in the way.
So even with just an hour or so most evenings this has to be the loneliest mmo experiences ever. All the hearts solo, all the everything solo, it’s so solo in the lowbie areas if I actually see someone else run near me I stop and stare.
I haven’t seen a DE trigger since so long ago, I don’t even remember the name of it or even the zone. But that the grand total= 1 fricken DE and I’m lvl42 now.
As far as shouting out in /map chat, lol, crickets.
Anywho I just keep plugging away missing huge chunks of game bought and payed for but never to be seen until the moment I go screw this and play something else.
So /signed for any suggestion to be put in place to solve this.

…I have difficulties believing this. It can’t be that extreme. What server are you playing on?

Jade Quarry. Yes it’s exactly as described. Now lvl54 just racing to finish 1 toon and that’s that. Finally got group for my second only DE at the tail end of lvl47ish 3 days ago. I’m sure the higher lvl I go the more peeps I’ll see its where everyone is (end game).
The only time I have ever been in an overflow – Lion’s Arch that’s it.
Anywho cheers Straylight

I’m not sure if there’s some kind of misunderstanding. Are you talking about “Dynamic Events” ? The orange events that pop up all over the place all the time? And you only encountered two of them up to level 54?

Since I don’t see anyone else complaining about the total lack of DE on Jade Quarry I’m pretty sure you must have mixed up something when you were refering to Dynamic Events

i can’t claim to have even close to as bad of luck as that guy, but I will say that when I try to level up one of my alts in PVE I encounter maybe 1 DE every hour or so, sometimes less.

That is still, in my opinion, incredibly low. And I’m not like trying to avoid them… I will see 1 per hour when I’m going through each renown heart and doing every single one. I look around for NPCs to talk to etc… just nothing seems to pop for me. It sucks because after like 4 renown hearts the content is way too high for me (since renown hearts don’t give you enough xp to level).

I usually try until around level 10 to work on a PVE alt, then I move them to WvW and level the rest of the way. The PVE environment just isn’t what it was when the game released.

Golden

I haven’t tried it since like October. Back then it was bugged, they wouldn’t give you the bomb at all. Glad to hear it has been fixed.

There is one with asura tech and lava that is very cool.

Also the griffon roost one is pretty, though last I did it there was a bug so you couldn’t get the chest.

I play WvW exclusively. Please join me there and you will realize how rare some items are. I might get one yellow item every three or four days, if I’m lucky.

That being said, in pretty much every zerg of like thirty or more people, at least one person seems to have a legendary…and that is just the ones I notice (twilight, the bow, the staff). May be more, since I don’t stare at what people are using much.