Guild Wars 2

I haven’t fought a Dragon in like two months…but really the only memorable thing about any of the dragons was the intense amount of lag that I faced. it was really the only time in PvE that was similar to a siege on Stonemist.

New mechanics will be lots of fun…but not if it takes 10 seconds to use a skill. Is that being addressed at the same time as you are focusing on a huge open world raid? You can’t really focus on making those better without making it more stable.

Jscull.2514:

Drwookie

its simple, the more people used to do ANYTHING in wvw…the less of EVERYTHING you get. DONE bro, its not a new concept to gaming.

What MMO has implemented a method like that? The major problem I foresee in that is you have a free roaming PvP environment where you actively encourage people to be exclusive, to not like other people to come near them or their group, to “kick people out” of the group because they want to maximize their reward. The problem with that is A. It seems like it would create a nasty atmosphere and B. You would either end up with tools implemented to effectively kick those people out, or get them away or you would end up with essentially just people getting angry and yelling at each other

I’m just curious what games out there have successfully implemented it so I can look at how they did. You make it sound like it’s been done plenty of times before so clearly those issues have been dealt with. Just curious. In a very shallow way it seems like a nice idea for sure though.

Dutchares.6084:

WvW has become/or always was a game to farm.
Join the karma train and get rewards.
At the moment the reward is better somewhere else, so the karma train has moved too.

I hope they change WvW soon so it becomes about the fights.
Not the loot, or other rewards.
Being in a challenging hard fight should be rewarded.
Not some brainless no skill karma training.

So hard challenging fights = good and fun (should be rewarded)
Easy, no skill stuff = bad and mostly boring (should be less rewarded)
At the moment it is the other way around.
Meaning wvw attracts the brainless farmers.
And WvW players getting bored and quit.

Any suggestions on how they measure “hard challenging fights” and then reward them appropriately? Not being sarcastic, but unfortunately that seems far more difficult than reward concrete objectives like tower defense/capture.

What would be the QUANTITATIVE (not qualitative) pieces of a challenging fight? Equal numbers? Length the fight lasts? If you increase rewards because your 5v5 is fighting for 30 minutes…that is too easily exploitable by both sides getting together and agreeing to drag it out. Do you punish someone when a fight is 5v5 for running into and helping (thereby making it 6v5 and no longer balanced)? It is much more difficult to decide a reward system around “challenging fights” which is a much more qualitative statement than “You captured this tower, +100 points awarded”.

Now one slight change they could do is adjust the rewards for objectives (Towers and such) based on the number of enemies present. You cap a tower that had 30 enemies defending it? You get a larger reward than that zerg that just stole a tower with no one there.

But then you could make the argument that perhaps no one was there because that zerg was ultra sneaky and they just stole that tower using grand strategy. Should that not be rewarded?

Lurch.9517:

drwookie.6391:

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Oh I’ll also mention this:

What do you think makes them more money? How many people who playing WvW exclusively buy things on the market? What is there to buy that you really need in WvW? snip WvW is a monetary dead end for them (in its current form). So without a subscription they need to focus on what they make money on. Now if they made it so like you needed to spend money to build siege or something, then WvW would be worth it for them….but then most of us wouldn’t play it I imagine.

Thats why they have introduced the new gem store item WXP booster. This will probably be one of the more profitable items they have ever put in the shop as people (especially zergball nightcappers) start using it as a form of pay to win.

I must have glossed over when that was added, never noticed. THey need those sorts of things otherwise there is no reason to advance WvW since it makes them no money.

Someone may have mentioned it already but…

It’s not just that the living story is so much more profitable, it’s that in the past few months they have ramped up the updates to the living story. An update every 2 weeks? People don’t get sick of farming the current story update before the next one comes out…there is never any “downtime” from the living story for the masses to hop into WvW…

You have to give them props, as far as the PvE/Story thing goes, that they are making changes so quickly. It keeps people going in that aspect of the game. The problem is this other aspect of the game gets updates at a snail’s pace in comparison, and so it is falling more and more behind.

Though I won’t be completely negative…some people have said we have gotten nothing in 12 months…we did technically get WvW ranks, as well as significant improvements to loot drops (still no where near PvE, but man remember the early days when you would hardly even get a single bag?)

EDIT:

Oh I’ll also mention this:

What do you think makes them more money? How many people who playing WvW exclusively buy things on the market? What is there to buy that you really need in WvW? A lot of the extra stuff doesn’t even work in competitive play, and all the silly costumes and stuff are pointless. The living story is a way to add new things to the marketplace, new things for people to buy with coin. WvW is a monetary dead end for them (in its current form). So without a subscription they need to focus on what they make money on. Now if they made it so like you needed to spend money to build siege or something, then WvW would be worth it for them….but then most of us wouldn’t play it I imagine.

GuardianOMS.8067:

WvW achievements are ANets sick way of saying “Go finish your personal story and do more PvE, you scrub.”

Honestly I think this has to play some role.

Especially now that they’ve added in achievement point chest rewards…it has made the difference between myself and some of my friends that much more obvious. I’ve played since the game came out, like the original poster probably 90% or more in WvW. I have around 3,500 achievement points to show for that. Compared to PvE people who EASILY have double that.

That doesn’t even bring up how much more money the people who have played PvE exclusively have accumulated over time compared to myself. Or how they have several fully decked out characters in Ascended gear while I"m still “Grinding” (Oh wait no…Anet doesn’t make grindy games so I must not be grinding right now).

I play the way I want to play. I’m glad that they let me do that (I only leveled my first character out of WvW, my other 3 have been exclusively in WvW from <level 10). However, every kick in the nuts that they give me by rewarding other people makes me less interested in playing the game. For me, it doesn’t make me want to play PvE….it just makes me want to not log in.

echo.2053:

drwookie.6391:

We recently transferred TO DB from a higher tier server

transferred from level 1 stacked server to level 2 stacked server expecting a change /facepalm.

It may have not been the best decision, I honestly can’t comment. I was on vacation for 2 months and out of the game. I got back and everyone I played with in game was on a new server, so I simply joined them because they are the reason I play. The core group of us now play a lot less, at least the last two weeks, because of the matches.

Though I would point out that “stacked” is in the eye of the beholder. Last week TC was crazy stacked against us…we could never field enough people. This week we are crazy stacked against our opposition.. etc…. Calling a server “stacked” versus its competition is exactly what this kind of thread is trying to address — the system isn’t working because you get “stacked” matches in multiple tiers, over and over again.

Nikkinella.8254:

drwookie.6391:

I tend to try to avoid “doom and gloom” but I will just add my name to the list of people who have essentially lost interest in this game after this change.

I barely played WvW last week (I’m on DB btw). Logging into giant TC zergs on every map, and almost nobody on my team was disheartening. Most of the times we had a commander on maybe 1 map if we were lucky.

I played reset night this week, and then woke up Saturday to a 30k lead within like 12 hours of the match starting…I haven’t played WvW since (I’ve checked in every day with my guild, and with the PPT…there is almost never anything to do. We are like 3x ahead of the server below us).

The problem for me is…WvW was all I did. I leveled my first toon in PvE and I’ve leveled my 4 others solely in WvW from Level 2 (well one guy I leveled to 10 before going in). It’s the only reason I play[ed] the game. With this change I haven’t really done anything else except open my achievement box. That’s sad really. When the matches are good, I have a lot of fun….but not like this. Not like this

We aren’t too happy about facing you guys again either. Even during our prime time, we barely have enough people to hold out against you on 1 map while you have enough people to flood all 4 maps simultaneously. Most of us have just said screw it and haven’t even bothered logging into wvw. Just doing PvE stuff now till next week. It’s no fun facing the giant red blob.

I totally understand, I would hate it as well (Last week facing TC wasn’t very much fun).

Transferring for me isn’t really an option, because while WvW is all play, I also pretty much do it exclusively with my guild…transferring the 100+ people is unrealistic right now (We recently transferred TO DB from a higher tier server).

I tend to try to avoid “doom and gloom” but I will just add my name to the list of people who have essentially lost interest in this game after this change.

I barely played WvW last week (I’m on DB btw). Logging into giant TC zergs on every map, and almost nobody on my team was disheartening. Most of the times we had a commander on maybe 1 map if we were lucky.

I played reset night this week, and then woke up Saturday to a 30k lead within like 12 hours of the match starting…I haven’t played WvW since (I’ve checked in every day with my guild, and with the PPT…there is almost never anything to do. We are like 3x ahead of the server below us).

The problem for me is…WvW was all I did. I leveled my first toon in PvE and I’ve leveled my 4 others solely in WvW from Level 2 (well one guy I leveled to 10 before going in). It’s the only reason I play[ed] the game. With this change I haven’t really done anything else except open my achievement box. That’s sad really. When the matches are good, I have a lot of fun….but not like this. Not like this

Any idea what the %chance of a Tome of Knowledge to drop from a chest is?

Wondering what it would cost to “buy” a level 80, hypothetically speaking. XP boosts are one thing, but essentially paying for free levels is going a little far in my opinion.

Point 1: Yes. I’ve asked for this since the beta. It’s not going to happen. It’s all part of their “we aren’t a trinity game, we don’t want you healing your friends” idea

Point 2: Yes, and may happen eventually. We shall see.

Point 3: Yes. Unsure if it will change though. The ranks are a nice time sink/grind for WvW, which I’m sure was part of their idea doing it this way.

Point 4: Don’t care either way. It might happen, in just don’t care. I only play WvW so I don’t need it. I could see how a person who wants to maximize their skill in different areas might like it though. The rare times I do any pve, the content isn’t so hard that I need to change anything.

Joey.2769:

If you are dealing with a coordinated mesmer group they are able to chain pulls. 1 to pull you to the ledge and one to pull you off. My guild does it in such rapid succession that I’m sure to the enemy it looks like it was only 1 action.

Probably this.

Come to think of it, it may have been your guild that did it to me several times yesterday. I was thinking to myself “Man, TC has some masterful mesmer pullers”, but now it makes more sense that it was 2 or more of you. There were some impressive pulls being done. (I’m on DB)

Mist Y.5214:

If your commander did all that stuff, he would certainly have got credit. The only reason he wouldn’t is if he was disconnected when the keep was capped. Who was this?

He was never disconnected. He led the attack on hills from outer to inner. He was on the upper ledge inside the Lord’s room in hills, got xp when the Lord was killed (who was also in that upper area) and then continued fighting up there. He wasn’t in the ring, and got no credit.

It’s not like this is the first time I’ve seen this. It happens to be all the time. WIthout fail you are guaranteed credit if you make it in the ring, even if you were afk the whole time…but god forbid you leave the ring to perhaps fight enemies to keep them from entering the ring…and it’s like gambling to find out whether you get credit. I’ve taken 3 towers in a row with no credit because I try to stay at the gate to keep people from getting in.

It’s a messed up system.

Why is standing in the ring the number 1 most important factor deciding whether or not you get XP for a tower/keep/camp capture?

Why can someone run in at the last minute having contributed NOTHING to the effort, and get credit. Meanwhile, the commander (not me in the situation I’m thinking of right now which just occured on DB) can fight through outer and inner gate of hills, DOWN the champion but not make it into the ring due to fighting opponents, and get zero credit.

It doesn’t make sense to me. It boggles my mind. The ring should be used to capture a point, but it shouldn’t matter whether you are there or not for you to get credit. If you aided (kill enemies in the area, attacking walls/gates with siege etc…) you should get credit. Period. End of story. No debate.

Hey FA, quick question:

On your borderlands right now….why aren’t you taking your 40-50 people outside Briar and just steaming through the gate? We have around 15 people. Why are you trebbing a reinforced wall from the island? You would have wiped us long ago.

Tried to search for this but it doesn’t look like anyone has mentioned it.

Is there a maximum buff from this? And is it per condition STACK or per unique condition? If it’s per stack without a max it could get CRAZY when paired with like a necro (or even on your own if you spec for conditions), but if it is per unique condition it is basically pointless.

Anyone know or tested?

This has been a known bug since the game was released. How has this not been fixed? I’ve been gone from the game since March, it boggles my mind that I still need to disband my team in WvW in order to get rid of someone online.

I mean serious….is it that difficult to fix?

Troop.1369:

New Improved World XP
We’re improving the way we award World XP to World vs. World players! Now you’ll gain rewards for a much wider range of activities in the Mists – everything from destroying siege weapons, repairing walls, escort missions, and more!

Any love for support style builds on this front? If I build my character 90% around boons/nondmging conditions/heals, am I still SOL?

To be more specific: is xp for kills still based solely on doing damage?

Neuromancer.2148:

Honor your opponents whether you win or lose. To fail to do so does not shame just your opponent, but the entirety of the game. The truth is no one has proof that one entire server conspired to run up the siege cap and cripple JQ and even if the individual is caught, it does not automatically indict the entire server.

All three servers have motive to commit such unsportmanlike conduct. BG for obvious reasons, SoR for the hell of trolling, and even JQ to cast a shadow over the hard work BG has put in and discredit the week’s efforts. In the spirit of good competition, let all three servers instead work together and condemn the actions of this individual rather than let the need to come out on top cause each to sling mud at the other.

The honor is in fighting a powerful foe and coming out even, which is what happened this week. This very late incident is ultimately inconsequential to that fact.

I completely agree. From what I’ve seen in WvW this week, JQ is not the winner. Maybe itrs just my timezone but BG has brought it this week and they deserve it.

As annoying as the rams in garri were, it real
Y only speed things up a bit. There has just been a huge lack of enthusiasm on JQ this week. Fielding like 15 people across two maps. BG hasn’t lost the momentum and they really should win, regardless of the unsportsmanlike conduct taken by a very small minority.

Congrats regardless of outcome, this week shows tier 1 isn’t PR decided yet and can still be a lot of fun. We (JQ) just need to encourage our PvEers a little more to care.

Nik Rane.6431:

DeWolfe.2174:

No matter what transpires by end of day, BG… in the eye’s of many, you didn’t earn any of it. To those “good” Apples, sorry your efforts were spoiled. I assure you though, it’s nothing like the frustration and anger felt, day after day, by being helpless to do anything about this. And watching Anet condone this pathetic behavior…

Indeed. ArenaNet’s GMs have been too slow to react on manipulation/griefing in such a flaunted part of their game. This has been the dirtiest week of WvW I’ve participated in since the Orb hacks were common.

The problem is Sent has no gamemasters. There is nobody that you can contact LIVE in game to deal with these issues.

When you report it enters a large stack and MIGHT be looked at later. Nobody is there to contact live.unfortunately those days in MMOs is over. Nobody wants to pay for that kind of customer support, it just isn’t a priority.

And yes to the person talking about IDs…I have it, but four posts were infracted and I now have two infraction points just for talking about it. They don’t want us discussing it. I would also warn those of you speaking poorly about Arena net, because those posts can be infracted to. Remember there is no free speech here.

DeWolfe.2174:

Do you really believe a Guild would kick players just so the could fill the queue with their own? When all they have to do is fill the queue already. Then believe such behavior wouldn’t come with harsh consequences either? Like full Guild ban’s or something of such nature if they were found being abusive.

I’m pretty certain the OP and I must be on the same server. Because we’ve been handicapped by a person siege capping us most of the week. To have your hands tied by one person and be completely powerless to do anything simply sucks. Arenanet themselves have been less than useless on this. Because the only action I can see they’ve taken is removing a screen cap a fellow player posted of the person doing it.

Ya exactly. All Arenanet does is delete all evidence of the player doing it (screenshots, posts with the player’s name etc…). They state we can’t “personally attack” someone, and ask us to report them. We report them though and nothing ever happens.

If Arenanet doesn’t believe they can successfully police their own game, my suggestion is merely to perhaps allow us to help them police it. Policing the police officers is easier, because there would be less police officers than players. The mechanics of how that would work of course can be discussed and worked out, but I do think something should be done.

Fred Fargone.3127:

Umm… No.
There are servers with large WvW guilds. Unless you require votes in thousands, those guilds would just elect their lead for moderators. On dummy accounts if need be. If you do require votes in thousands, I’m not sure if every server has enough WvW population to choose enough moderators.
And you can not assume that people who gained power easily would not abuse it easily. In fact, you should always assume the player abuses everything he can. Therefore, no, you should not give him tools to abuse others with.

Couple of things:

They could limit the voting per guild. Plus the percentage could be based on the server so it could require votes in the thousands for very big populated servers, but less for smaller.

Also I’m not assuming people wouldn’t abuse it…but it is FAR easier for Anet to moderate 4 or 5 “GM’s” per server than it is to moderate everyone on the server. If they are abusing it, you report them and they are stripped of their power and can’t be voted again.

The problem is right now we “report” people and nothing really happens. Anet does not police WvW. Games in the past had live GMs but that just isn’t practical anymore. Giving some responsibility to the player-base as a whole could alleviate some of the stress of Anet policing the worlds.

Obviously everyone can abuse anything, however as I said I’m merely thinking of perhaps a way to limit the necessary work Anet has to do. They can easily check up on 5 “flagged” players per server if abuse is reported….and leave the problems with the mass population to those 5 players (or whatever number is deemed appropriate per server).

If you look back there is also some precendent for this type of them. Older MMO’s and online games had player-derived “GM’s” that did it as volunteers. I can’t remember the games I played with them, but I do remember them way back when (before WoW…UO-type days). Recent MMOs have done away with “Live Gamemasters”, which I think should change.

TLSolomon.6083:

Ok BG.. now I know when you got through our garrison gate you were like W T F?
You could have taken them out for us!

I honestly can’t fault them for that. They had more important things to do than sit there and dps down the rams for us.

CriSPeH.8512:

Cryptik.7298:

It’s sad how much of this we’ve been seeing on JQ this week…

Would a limit to the amount of siege a single player can put down per hour(or something) help this?

I know it might be a pain for commanders and dedicated siege holders but maybe if you were still allowed to drop the plans on the ground to give to other players but were limited in the amount of buildsites you could make, it would cut down on the ppl doing this.

That could help, but you’re right it could also cause some frustration.

Honestly I think if they don’t want to maintain live GM’s like older MMOs used to do…they should set up a way for each server to “vote” for player GM’s to regulate things. It is easier for Anet to moderate 5-10 player GM’s than it is for them to moderate hundreds of people per server. Let the players elect the GMs and if they are found abusing their power (kicking people from WvW when they don’t deserve to be kicked etc…) they can be punished.

Since this game doesn’t employ live GMs that you can contact in game, I propose a democratic system on every server to elect WvW “Moderators”.

People in WvW can vote for a certain number of moderators. Those who get the most votes (and over a minimum of some number in the hundreds) are elevated to a “Moderator” for a set period of time before a revote is required.

Those people would have certain regulatory abilities in WvW. The ability to temporarily kick people from WvW. Perhaps the ability to dismantle siege in WvW. Some other abilities to be decided.

Since they require a large number of votes, they would be on their main characters, and so if they abuse that power they cannot hide behind a dummy account. They would be publicly shamed on the server (say if they kick people to make room for their guildmates).

ALso, since there are a small number, it would be fairly easy for Anet to police them. If someone is kicked they can directly appeal to Anet against the Moderator. The Moderator will have to provide evidence of why they were kicked (For instance, a series of screenshots showing them placing rams all over a Tower in random useless places, including evidence in chat where the person was asked to stop multiple times etc…). If a moderator is found to have abused the power, they are relieved of the power and can never “run for office” again (or at least for a period of time).

Jahn.7019:

drwookie.6391:

I’m not sure if this person is affiliated with any guild, but we have a person on JQBL in our garrison who has now built like 20+ rams all inside garry in random places to reach our siege cap and drain our supply. His name is a random collection of letters.

I have no way of knowing if he is part of some larger plan from another server, or just a lone saboteur. I could speculate based on the current action on the map (BG is very active there right now, I don’t see any SoR)….however my main point would be:

IF (again I don’t know) this person is involved with any guild or is in communication with anybody on BG or SoR. Please try to be more respectful and mature about the game, and ask him to stop. It’s not cool. If I knew someone on JQ was doing similar I would do my best to get him to stop as well. I realize you can’t actually force him to stop, but still. Just asking. No reason to use dirty tactics to get ahead. It’s just not cool.

EDIT:

I’ve just been informed he has a Choo tag on him. Not cool. Not. Cool.

I think you answered your own questions. No SoR presence and he has a CHOO acronym tag on.

I hate to point fingers but this happened a lot to SoR when they were in T2. And of the 3 servers fighting right now, there is only one that has a terrible reputation when it comes to hacking, exploiting, cheating, and just doing anything and everything possible to win.

Like the above poster said, it seems like an obvious attempt to cause drama especially considering that looking at TS there are only 5 CHOO on atm and they are in a pve channel.

I don’t want to use that kind of rhetoric (the “terrible reputation when it comes to hacking, exploiting etc…”). It just doesn’t foster a good competitive atmosphere. Even if that atmosphere doesn’t exist right now we can at least try our best to build it for the future.

It doesn’t matter who is doing it, because like I said nobody can stop an individual person since these sorts of people aren’t punished by Anet. Just asking that we all play as clean as possible. We may already be doing that, but just in case it’s a friendly reminder.

Krakah.3582:

drwookie.6391:

EDIT:

I’ve just been informed he has a Choo tag on him. Not cool. Not. Cool.

The tags don’t represent the guilds on other servers. You have to read the whole guild name when you target them.

Also PvE players have been doing this on all servers to dump siege they think is useless to them and to get free XP for leveling.

All you can do is ask them to stop, or better yet donate their siege they don’t care about.

His name is a completely random assortment of letters. I doubt he is doing this to level up this character.

And I don’t mean to accuse anyone in particular, just stating what’s going on. I also realize even if he was in a guild on SoR or BG, he surely doesn’t represent everyone. Just asking that we all, to the best of our ability, keep games clean. If this is happening to every server then that goes for all of us. I haven’t personally ran through a keep/tower covered in rams in awhile…I feel like that was a troll tactic back in september that had fell by the wayside. Guess not.

I’m not sure if this person is affiliated with any guild, but we have a person on JQBL in our garrison who has now built like 20+ rams all inside garry in random places to reach our siege cap and drain our supply. His name is a random collection of letters.

I have no way of knowing if he is part of some larger plan from another server, or just a lone saboteur. I could speculate based on the current action on the map (BG is very active there right now, I don’t see any SoR)….however my main point would be:

IF (again I don’t know) this person is involved with any guild or is in communication with anybody on BG or SoR. Please try to be more respectful and mature about the game, and ask him to stop. It’s not cool. If I knew someone on JQ was doing similar I would do my best to get him to stop as well. I realize you can’t actually force him to stop, but still. Just asking. No reason to use dirty tactics to get ahead. It’s just not cool.

EDIT:

I’ve just been informed he has a Choo tag on him. Not cool. Not. Cool.

Miiaah.5416:

drwookie.6391:

Miiaah.5416:

drwookie.6391:

Miiaah.5416:

I think people are excited about Kain in T1 because they have numbers where numbers are needed to keep JQ in check, Kain also has no reason to keep BG from taking PPT from JQ when Kain is weak in coverage. There’s only one way to find out, hopefully it happens before most get bored with the stagnation of JQ fielding numbers wherever and whenever they want, BG trying to de-throne JQ and SoR doing what it can from stopping BG from taking first from JQ. Kain would bring a refreshing change in that I feel they would like to make the monster work for their wins.

Since you seem to have wonderful inside knowledge of the workings of JQ, could you put me in touch with your contact? I would have LOVED to be able to “[field] numbers wherever and whenever [I] want” yesterday when I was on. Trying to get a group going in BGBL (when we owned nothing), it took more than 15 minutes just to get 10 to start the breakout event.

And please stop with the stupid statements like “SoR doing what it can from stopping BG…”. It’s tired, and it honestly just makes you seem like an idiot. Grow up, get out on the battlefield and fight.

I can’t count the times BG has been taking a Hills, Bay or Garrison from JQ successfully and here comes the SoR zerg from the opposite side of a map to slow down BG when they could have taken one of those 3 targets and possibly 2 while BG/JQ battle. I get the tactic and it’s a great tactic when playing for the win. But when you can count the amount of times SoR has attacked JQ zerging BG on the hand of a High School wood shop teacher, then things become obvious and it has nothing to do with 2v1.

Taking down JQ is going to take a 2v1 for an extended period of time at some point, that point being Thursday of week 1 of JQ/SoR/BG, they brought out the calvary and Kain has coverage when it was needed most to slow down JQ. But then again JQ couldn’t field any numbers from Wed-Fri week 1 of JQ/SoR/BG could they most intelligent one.

I would not argue that JQ overall has the best numbers, and the least coverage gaps. I would never argue that, but that is not what you said. Instead you go to extremes such as “They can field whatever they want whenever they want” (paraphrasing). That just isn’t true. We have gaps like the other servers. It’s annoying when people just go to the extreme (to prove a point I guess? But to me it just makes you sound very young).

As for your “observations” about the tactics SoR use…that is exactly my point. Stop using your single set of observations to discuss how an entire server is keeping you from the win, or “protecting” another server or whatever you want to call it. You aren’t omniscient, don’t pretend to be.

People going to the extreme by using examples of JQs coverage week 1, last 3 days, and SoRs tactics during those 3 days. I may not be omniscient but I have the luxury of being on any map and any timezone due to my “job” and have been. Not so much this week since it’s spring now and so much to do, but week one I saw all I needed to see in saying Kain should make T1 interesting again, which is what I said originally before you showed your maturity in calling people idiots and other cute little accusations. Keep up the good work!

Actually what you said were things like:

“Kain also has no reason to keep BG from taking PPT from JQ when Kain is weak in coverage.”

“JQ fielding numbers wherever and whenever they want, BG trying to de-throne JQ and SoR doing what it can from stopping BG from taking first from JQ…”

The first seems to imply that the current 3rd player in Tier 1 (SoR) has some other motive or reason to keep JQ with the points.

The second states directly that JQ can field numbers wherever they want. That is completely untrue. That is not saying that JQ has a population advantage, or has the smallest population gaps. Those statements are likely true, but to say we can just mass numbers any time of day all willy nilly is stupid. You know it’s not true either, yet you say those things for some other purpose. The second also directly states SoR wants to stop BG from taking first from JQ. Have you spoken with “them” about this? The mythical “SoR” person that has one conscious entity? Have you spoken with the major guild’s leadership on SoR? Interesting if you have.

Hope that helps, seem you don’t seem quite clear on what you said previously.

Miiaah.5416:

drwookie.6391:

Miiaah.5416:

I think people are excited about Kain in T1 because they have numbers where numbers are needed to keep JQ in check, Kain also has no reason to keep BG from taking PPT from JQ when Kain is weak in coverage. There’s only one way to find out, hopefully it happens before most get bored with the stagnation of JQ fielding numbers wherever and whenever they want, BG trying to de-throne JQ and SoR doing what it can from stopping BG from taking first from JQ. Kain would bring a refreshing change in that I feel they would like to make the monster work for their wins.

Since you seem to have wonderful inside knowledge of the workings of JQ, could you put me in touch with your contact? I would have LOVED to be able to “[field] numbers wherever and whenever [I] want” yesterday when I was on. Trying to get a group going in BGBL (when we owned nothing), it took more than 15 minutes just to get 10 to start the breakout event.

And please stop with the stupid statements like “SoR doing what it can from stopping BG…”. It’s tired, and it honestly just makes you seem like an idiot. Grow up, get out on the battlefield and fight.

I can’t count the times BG has been taking a Hills, Bay or Garrison from JQ successfully and here comes the SoR zerg from the opposite side of a map to slow down BG when they could have taken one of those 3 targets and possibly 2 while BG/JQ battle. I get the tactic and it’s a great tactic when playing for the win. But when you can count the amount of times SoR has attacked JQ zerging BG on the hand of a High School wood shop teacher, then things become obvious and it has nothing to do with 2v1.

Taking down JQ is going to take a 2v1 for an extended period of time at some point, that point being Thursday of week 1 of JQ/SoR/BG, they brought out the calvary and Kain has coverage when it was needed most to slow down JQ. But then again JQ couldn’t field any numbers from Wed-Fri week 1 of JQ/SoR/BG could they most intelligent one.

I would not argue that JQ overall has the best numbers, and the least coverage gaps. I would never argue that, but that is not what you said. Instead you go to extremes such as “They can field whatever they want whenever they want” (paraphrasing). That just isn’t true. We have gaps like the other servers. It’s annoying when people just go to the extreme (to prove a point I guess? But to me it just makes you sound very young).

As for your “observations” about the tactics SoR use…that is exactly my point. Stop using your single set of observations to discuss how an entire server is keeping you from the win, or “protecting” another server or whatever you want to call it. You aren’t omniscient, don’t pretend to be.

Miiaah.5416:

I think people are excited about Kain in T1 because they have numbers where numbers are needed to keep JQ in check, Kain also has no reason to keep BG from taking PPT from JQ when Kain is weak in coverage. There’s only one way to find out, hopefully it happens before most get bored with the stagnation of JQ fielding numbers wherever and whenever they want, BG trying to de-throne JQ and SoR doing what it can from stopping BG from taking first from JQ. Kain would bring a refreshing change in that I feel they would like to make the monster work for their wins.

Since you seem to have wonderful inside knowledge of the workings of JQ, could you put me in touch with your contact? I would have LOVED to be able to “[field] numbers wherever and whenever [I] want” yesterday when I was on. Trying to get a group going in BGBL (when we owned nothing), it took more than 15 minutes just to get 10 to start the breakout event.

And please stop with the stupid statements like “SoR doing what it can from stopping BG…”. It’s tired, and it honestly just makes you seem like an idiot. Grow up, get out on the battlefield and fight.

crewthief.8649:

VOLKON.1290:

BakaOniiChan.9564:

Pmetheus.5397:

BakaOniiChan.9564:

SFShinigami.2015:

I like the part where you completely ignore the moral of the story and continue on with your kitten

Just because something isn’t in the rules, doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do.

RIGHT THING TO DO? YOU ARE IN WvW correct? WHAT DO U DO? YOU FIGHT THE OTHER SERVERS. There is a reason why names are red… BECAUSE THEY ARE YOUR ENEMY!… If ANet intended for you not to kill them then they wouldn’t make your oppositions name red. I don’t get what you guys are getting at here. You guys set up a place to fight an unofficial place an “unwritten rule” and expect people not to go there to kill you guys. No place is off limits. Players can be anywhere at any time. If you saw 40 red names in front of you, you aren’t going to go see what they are doing… you are going go there and prepare to fight.

Calm the kitten down kiddo. You’re embarrassing your server. That being said, if you are that adamant about not following a general code of conduct that we in the guild wars community abide by, maybe this game isn’t for you. I hear there are certain games in the genre of FPS that caters to your demographic.

Edited for spelling

Maybe it isn’t but I’m here anyways playing the game the way it is intended. I’m not embarrassing anyone. No code of conduct anywhere states no one can interrupt a GvG going on. So when you are done trying to play mommy, how about actually playing WvW the way it is intended and give us more loot bags?

To be fair, the degree of self-righteous indignation you’re displaying over being called for what many consider an act of bad sportsmanship could easily be seen my many associated with you by server as embarrassing indeed. You forget the example set in World War II in Germany. On Christmas day, troops from both sides laid down arms, came together and celebrated Christmas together on the field of battle. There were no “written rules”, they just did what was the right thing to do.

Um…Not sure about this. I’m aware that on Christmas Day, 82nd and 101st Soldiers could hear the Germans singing Christmas Carols in their foxholes. But actually coming together and having egg nog and celebrating…lol, not sure that’s historically accurate. The event i’m speaking of was during the Battle of the Bulge, in the Ardennes Forest. Of course, there was a ceasefire that day…so that much is accurate. But they didn’t join together in any kind of harmonious celebration.

The reference is actually from world war one, on the western front. Soldiers actually did leave their trenches and meet up in the center, exchanging cigarettes and the like. It was mostly in 1914.

gnarkiller.1862:

Xirin.8593:

gnarkiller.1862:

HOD never came in first. They have 1 silver and 1 bronze.

Not sure if serious.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups/histories

I don’t see any golds there indicating a first place.

The first two weeks on that site don’t seem to have scores for the NA matchups. So it isn’t exactly fair. I personally don’t remember which server won those first two weeks, but they were probably HoD. I seem to recall them winning like a couple week-long matches before their alliance jumped ship.

Wait a minute people! If BG caps everything from now until reset, with JQ ticking zero, BG can take it back! It’s not over yet!

But for serious….good job to everyone. As much as I don’t like guilds jumping around to different servers, this has definitely made Tier 1 more exciting.

Vodka.3958:

Pvp.2758:

Vodka.3958:

Doomdesire.9365:

Vash.9183:

Doomdesire.9365:

Tomorrow before reset(assuming the scores are far enough to calm) I will be awaiting at SoR BL south camp for dueling. 3:30 PST, please come.

Congrats to JQ for the comeback.

And congrats to you for helping them.

Payback.

Remember BG and IOJ?

I do.

Lol I remember that, and I also remember never losing to your server which I’m sure is something that will never change. Nice job on working with JQ though, real classy

SoR isn’t working with JQ

SoR is working against Blackgate

Since SoR is working against Blackgate and JQ is working against Blackgate you two are working against Blackgate together, looks like BG is getting a nice 2v1 by the sounds of it. Not really something new to us

Stay strong BG! ! !

This stuff is just dumb. Please whoever wins can we just accept it with honor and respect? Just logged off of BGBL, SoR has taken our tower multiple times, and has attacked garrison, trying to take it from us just as often as BG has attacked it.

I know there are people on JQ who would say the same thing you’re saying….but still, I’m just politely asking that as many of us as possible just accept a win or a loss with dignity and no accusations of any “teamwork” or whatever. It’s just silly and doesn’t promote good interactions across servers.

At this point the team that has the most power on the ma kitten oR. They essentially will decide the winner here because it is so close, it all depends on what they go after.

Choose wisely

EDIT: lol it censored “ma[p] is SoR” because the words combined say another word for urination…

I think it would be nice if we could play on an alt, while in queue on a main for WvW. Sometimes I want to bring my 80 into WvW, but while i"m in queue for an hour I don’t necessarily want to play on that guy because I’d rather be leveling an alt…kind of annoying that I have to be in queue on the alt and then play WvW on the alt.

LieutenantGoogle.7326:

Wow nice time for a update

Ya tell me about it. We were rushing as fast as we could to BG garri, but couldnn’t make it in time

kuora.5402:

PRX didn’t exploit anything until you have video proof, end of the story. I can say HB jumped over walls for a tea with the keep lord, I can say TW was walking underground to kill people beneath them. But unless I have video proof of it I am a liar.

I think I saw some dude walking on water. He was wearing a robe. I believe he may have also spawned like a billion fish, and maybe turned some water into wine.

Watch out for him. kitten exploiter.

Liquid.9672:

drwookie.6391:

I actually think overall JQ and BG are pretty darn close. I wouldn’t move any guilds at this point to try to “even” it out otherwise we’ll end up with what jQ was a couple weeks ago (steamrolling everything).

Overall I’d agree with this. Player participation is very fluid and driven by many different variables. Given this, you cannot always be sure of coverage vs. a particular opponent. From what I can tell, on average, JQ and BG is pretty close overall, with bother servers having some advantages and disadvantages.

Whatever happens the victory will be within a few thousands, which seems to support this view.

Miiaah.5416:

drwookie.6391:

Miiaah.5416:

IomegadriveOne.5291:

JQ was losing by a mile. So what is going on with Blackgate. Nobody cares now?

BG still has a lack of coverage and I think it’s starting to wear on a few that have put in too many hours to maintain the lead. Most days BG doesn’t have Commanders on a map or two for an hour or more in key times when JQ has plenty of bodies to go around. The two areas that this shows the worst are EBG and BGBL.

I can think of one BG commander that’s going to the extreme for BG ( there’s probably several I’m sure) and I really hope they don’t crash and burn for the entire week next week considering the hours they’re pulling for their server

It’s funny because I would say from my perspective JQ has a lack of coverage compared to BG. I’ve logged in WAY more times to a >350 BG tick, with JQ ticking in the low 100s, compared to the other way around. Generally speaking when 75% or more of WvW is controlled by one team, I consider that a coverage issue. From my experience, JQ has had some significant coverage gaps (I log in anywhere between 10 am and 6 pm PST…and I’ve seen those ticks throughout that time period)

So you’re logged in right now and say JQ doesn’t have numbers, ummm ok then. I Think BG has 2-3, possibly 4 EU guilds if I’m not mistaken, not positive but I know of 2 that field a decent presence that is adding to PPT and I’m usually running with them the most

I was talking about when BG has always had coverage problems which is 10pm – 6am PST

This is the first day this week that at this time period we are ahead like this. Last 5 days it’s been the opposite when I log in.

EDIT: And as I said, I was focusing on the difference of perspective. I don’t doubt that when you are on you may have coverage problems…however when I’m on we tend to have coverage problems. So it’s not quite fair to just say that BG lacks coverage while jQ doesn’t. As I said today is a unique exception. What exactly that means I don’t know. THe past few days I’ve seen BG field huge zergs during this time period, and for some reason today I just don’t see it (At least on BGBL). Not sure where they are but I know they exist because I’ve seen them before.

I actually think overall JQ and BG are pretty darn close. I wouldn’t move any guilds at this point to try to “even” it out otherwise we’ll end up with what jQ was a couple weeks ago (steamrolling everything).

Cactus.2710:

You get loot commensurate with the level of the enemy you kill. It doesn’t really matter whether you have a choice who you kill or not … you don’t get good loot for an easy kill.

I can get plenty of good loot from easy kills in PvE…

Liquid.9672:

drwookie.6391:

I’ve also not heard of anyone personally having a “marathon play session”, at least no one I know and no one talks about it in the TS.

Yeah sorry, I was probably generalizing too much when I said that. It came from non-specific observations and comments I’ve seen around such as “SF staying up late trying to get our late night ppt up!” and “Slight PPT lead at 3:15 AM. Nice work tonight folks.. and yeah i am still up..” Still, none of that necessarily defines a marathon, and doesn’t discount the obvious likelihood that many BG players are playing beyond their norms.

I certainly agree that this has been an awesome match though.

Ya and honestly I’m generalizing as well. I’m only one during certain time zones, and I don’t talk to everyone. I’m sure there are people in JQ staying up late…I’m not one of them (my bedtime is 9 pm, lately closer to 8:30 since I get up around 4:30).

Alex.9507:

I believe the quality of loot you receive is not just based on your level, but also the level of the enemies you kill. Like if you’re a Lv. 80 and you kill a Lv. 30 upscaled to 80, you’ll receive Lv. 30 loot or the respective materials.

Although this is just conjecture based on my experiences in WvW, so I could be wrong.

I think you are probably right, and I think that should change.

In PvE you have an advantage because you can choose what level of enemies to kill. If you go to Orr you know that all your enemies will be level 80 or around there (sometimes even higher).

In WvW you have a disadvantage. You don’t CHOOSE who you fight, you just fight them. So if anything that means that the chance for the level 80 drops should be higher, to make up for that.

Miiaah.5416:

IomegadriveOne.5291:

JQ was losing by a mile. So what is going on with Blackgate. Nobody cares now?

BG still has a lack of coverage and I think it’s starting to wear on a few that have put in too many hours to maintain the lead. Most days BG doesn’t have Commanders on a map or two for an hour or more in key times when JQ has plenty of bodies to go around. The two areas that this shows the worst are EBG and BGBL.

I can think of one BG commander that’s going to the extreme for BG ( there’s probably several I’m sure) and I really hope they don’t crash and burn for the entire week next week considering the hours they’re pulling for their server

It’s funny because I would say from my perspective JQ has a lack of coverage compared to BG. I’ve logged in WAY more times to a >350 BG tick, with JQ ticking in the low 100s, compared to the other way around. Generally speaking when 75% or more of WvW is controlled by one team, I consider that a coverage issue. From my experience, JQ has had some significant coverage gaps (I log in anywhere between 10 am and 6 pm PST…and I’ve seen those ticks throughout that time period)

Liquid.9672:

IomegadriveOne.5291:

JQ was losing by a mile. So what is going on with Blackgate. Nobody cares now?

A mile? The peak lead BG had at any point was around 14k. What’s going on has nothing to do with Blackgate. JQ started a major push yesterday and some of their players and guilds are pulling marathon play sessions. We all care on Blackgate, but the majority of us are not going to push ourselves to the point of burnout. If that means losing the match then so be it.

Alternatively, I think JQ started this week rather lazy and in some ways it has taken until almost the end of the week for some people to actually realize we could lose. I know in my guild at least we have had way more in PvE than ever before. A continuation of last week.

I’ve also not heard of anyone personally having a “marathon play session”, at least no one I know and no one talks about it in the TS.

Regardless of the outcome in the next 24 hours…this has been an awesome week. Best time in awhile in my opinion.

I really love that the loot drops in WvW has been increased via the last patch to be pretty much equivalent to the chance for loot drops in PvE. It has been a LONG time coming for that. Much appreciated.

However, I don’t really get why I’m a level 80 in WvW and getting “heavy loot” bags that contain items in the Tier 1 – Tier 3 level.

If I’m a level 80 I can mass kill enemies in Orr (not that difficult) and get lots of those “moldy” bags. Why don’t I get moldy bags as a level 80 in WvW? It just seems strange that I get so many lower tier crafting material as a level 80. While it’s great I’m getting bags, I would expect them to contain more resources of my level.

covenn.7165:

drwookie.6391:

But I guess maybe when we lose our lead overnight it’s because we lack skillz. That’s probably right.

SoR has been getting told this very same thing for quite a long time.

We likely all pay far more attention to what is said about our own server than others. I’m just referring to JQ being considered a “zerg-fest” with “unlimited coverage”. Losing 10k in ~12 hours isn’t what I would consider unlimited coverage.

For being the “uber stacked” server, we certainly lost many points overnight (NA time). I logged off last night with a couple thousand point lead at least…logged in this morning to almost 10k.

But I guess maybe when we lose our lead overnight it’s because we lack skillz. That’s probably right.

Edit: I’m just messing around btw. I wasn’t on at all this weekend until yesterday, but there were some fun fights on BGBL last night. Definitely more fun this week than last week.

Raine.1394:

drwookie.6391:

frans.8092:

I See No Tomorrow.7302:

Derk.3189:

They said they won’t add any new tiers of gear, this year.

Found it.

Colin Johanson:

Our reward systems need to be exciting and include things you want to earn over time, but we don’t want to force our players on endless gear treadmills for new tiers of gear we add every six months.

You won’t see another tier between ascended and legendary in 2013, for example. Our goal will be to use our existing reward systems and build new ones that are fun and exciting that step away from the stale gear grind reward systems you see elsewhere.

I don’t see the implication that they’re adding more in the future. They just used the example that no more are coming this year and said they don’t want to force players onto endless gear treadmills. They used the time examples to indicate the difference that Guild Wars 2 has with other MMO’s of similar design.

Just ‘reward system’ says enough, Guildwars 2 no longer is a game were playing is a reward in itself.

Reading some of the stuff that Colin and other developers mention regarding ascended gear and the “reward system” in this game…it seriously makes me wonder if they even speak to Mike O’Brien, the President….the dude who had that big manifesto before the game was made. Is there ANY communication? Is he locked in a dungeon never to be heard from again?

Or, as someone else pointed out, was the manifesto just PR bullkitten? That is the most likely truth. The idea that they don’t want to make “Grindy games” is a joke…they are now clearly in the business of “grindy games” because the longer the grind, the more people continue to play. The more people continue to play, the more money they get.

The concept that putting in hours of a grind would ONLY net you a visual difference, and not a state difference, is sadly long gone. There is really no way to look at the situation other than to accept that they COMPLETELY 180’ed on that aspect of their “manifesto”.

Mike is actually on-board with the new vision. In one response to a question he called GW1 ‘stagnant’ because it didn’t have a gear grind. I agree with you on the misfortune for all with their 180, but at least they did the about face in unison.

Ah I didn’t know that. Ya I guess, good to hear they are all in it together, with regards to changing their minds and throwing out the manifesto. How convenient it is for them that they stuck to their awe-inspiring, publicity-inducing manifesto until the game was sold en masse, then they conveniently changed their minds and reverted to the standard of every other MMO on the market. It’s almost as if it was planned…