Guild Wars 2

Refeuh.8493:

drwookie.6391:

Dailies do not come for “free” for everyone.

I play WvW exclusively and almost always have to go out of my way to finish the daily. If I ignore it I will never finish.

And don’t even get me started with monthlies.

I do not think this is a fair assessment – WvW is actually one of the easiest and quickest way to make progress in terms of daily rewards.

In WvW you get a large variety of monsters, lots of resource nodes to collect from, and
plenty of events for capturing / defending points of interests.

After a typical WvW session, all you need to complete the daily achievement is probably a jumping puzzle or some crafting (which you can also do in WvW)

Similar to your complain, open world PvE players could argue that they’re not getting any WvW tokens or glory. But why should they ? It’s all about balance, and yes sometimes you might end up doing just a bit of something you normally wouldn’t do, but that goes for everyone and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. All in all I don’t think the current mechanics are far from decent.

Haha nobody cries about tokens because they are fairly worthless.

Also, I don’t fight monsters in WvW, so the kill variety one is something I always have to go out of my way for. Granted my complaint about dailies may change, given the new patch. However at least yesterday I couldn’t do five of the options in my two hours of wvw playtime. I had to leave it.

Dailies do not come for “free” for everyone.

I play WvW exclusively and almost always have to go out of my way to finish the daily. If I ignore it I will never finish.

And don’t even get me started with monthlies.

3 months for ONE piece of gear is unacceptable to me. If other people want to wait that long fine, but I’m not here for a gear treadmill. I’m here to do WvW. I was perfectly content and happy being able to buy best stats in a couple of days (exotics) and then head to WvW and forget forever about gear.

I’d also like to paraphrase Mike OBrien again. If someone wants to work for months to get a piece of gear, it should be distinguished by LOOKS alone, not stats.

“Here’s what we believe: If someone wants to play for a thousand hours to get an item that is so rare that other players can’t realistically acquire it, that rare item should be differentiated by its visual appearance and rarity alone, not by being more powerful than everything else in the game. Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games — we leave the grind to other MMOs.”

- Mike O’Brien

Apparently the company he is President of doesn’t seem to share his view. I had to look it up to make sure they hadn’t fired him or something. You know something is wrong when the Director of the game and the direction of development is in two completely opposite directions. I feel bad for the guy.

EDIT:

I also want to point out that the way I prefer to play this game, will NEVER acquire the best gear. I play daily, at least 2 hours a day. I spend it all (well like 95%) of it in WvW. I haven’t gotten a rare (RARE, not exotic) in over a month from WvW. I played a dungeon today for the first time in awhile, and I got my first ecto in over a month.

I put just as much time into this game as someone who spends 2 hours a day in Fractals. I’m working just as hard. That person who does NOTHING but fractals. What do they have to show for 2 hours a day since November? I don’t even want to know. I see posts all the time of people discussing how many ectos per run….not IF they get an ecto, how many. The question I ask myself is “if” I’ll get even ONE RARE in a month of WvW.

For me it doesn’t even amount to a “grindy game”. I’m perfectly happy grinding, I just want to grind WvW. I want to spend all my time hunting down other players. Is there something wrong with that? I don’t think so. However, Anet thinks that while I’m right in wanting to grind, I should grind things THEIR way, and their way doesn’t include WvW. WvW is so low on their priority list I’m amazed they still remember it’s in the game.

Miiaah.5416:

drwookie.6391:

Miiaah.5416:

Porky.5021:

Miiaah.5416:

We were in T1, JQ never, ever attacked SoS,

I can dispute that. I was frequently attacked by JQ whenever I was in WvW.

In fact, I can personally attest I have never seen any pact, alliance, truce, treaty, 2v1 or anything since everyone not on my server has done their utmost to kill me everytime they see me.

Well it didn’t happen in EBG and it didn’t happen in BG BL and according to a map check every 15-30 minutes blue never took more than a camp or two on the other BLs. It doesn’t take a verbal pact to play for second not that anyone from BG would know anything about fighting for second but when you completely avoid first for 6 days straight and attack only 3rd in EBG and RedBL, you’re probably not playing for first, ask SBI about it……

Okay i’m sorry you guys can continue to fight back and forth but these sorts of statements are just silly and pointless.

Servers don’t just “not attack” an entire server. I’m kind of impressed that you think JQ is such a well-oiled machine that we could control ourselves so well to do something like that. You know blanket statements like “JQ NEVER attacked so and so” is just an outright lie. Don’t go there. It just doesn’t happen. I’m not talking about on JQ, I’m talking about on ALL servers. Now is a server constantly involved in a fight with both teams on every map at any given time? Of course not. But to say that they never fight one team and “always” fight the other and base that off your view of the battlefield and your “map checks”, oh please.

This is a 3 way fight, always has been and always will be. If you want to continue your argument use other forms of evidence or references, because this one is just asinine.

Carry on.

P.S. I’m really surprised this thread isn’t locked. We are so clearly off topic it’s not even funny. This thread is supposed to be about a fight between SoS, JQ and SoR. BG isn’t even in this tier, so BOTH sides really shouldn’t be talking about them.

Yes, it did happen I was there during most coverages, six days straight, like I said ask some SBI about they saw the same thing for weeks. It’s actually a good strategy and worked well for JQ, Frankly I have no idea why BG didn’t go for the same strategy as soon as it was obvious what was going on and it would have been a much closer match, we did exactly the opposite and went hard for SoS and defended against JQ. Complete boredom instantly

Whatever you say. I was there that weekend, and in TS every time I was on. There was never a single mention of singling out one server or the other….but of course I’m sure I just obviously missed the grand strategy that everyone on my server was involved in except me. Thanks for pointing it out. (That was sarcasm by the way)

In any case I stand by my point. Blanket statements such as “Server X ALWAYS fought server Y and ignored server Z” just aren’t convincing, because they’re wrong.

Miiaah.5416:

Porky.5021:

Miiaah.5416:

We were in T1, JQ never, ever attacked SoS,

I can dispute that. I was frequently attacked by JQ whenever I was in WvW.

In fact, I can personally attest I have never seen any pact, alliance, truce, treaty, 2v1 or anything since everyone not on my server has done their utmost to kill me everytime they see me.

Well it didn’t happen in EBG and it didn’t happen in BG BL and according to a map check every 15-30 minutes blue never took more than a camp or two on the other BLs. It doesn’t take a verbal pact to play for second not that anyone from BG would know anything about fighting for second but when you completely avoid first for 6 days straight and attack only 3rd in EBG and RedBL, you’re probably not playing for first, ask SBI about it……

Okay i’m sorry you guys can continue to fight back and forth but these sorts of statements are just silly and pointless.

Servers don’t just “not attack” an entire server. I’m kind of impressed that you think JQ is such a well-oiled machine that we could control ourselves so well to do something like that. You know blanket statements like “JQ NEVER attacked so and so” is just an outright lie. Don’t go there. It just doesn’t happen. I’m not talking about on JQ, I’m talking about on ALL servers. Now is a server constantly involved in a fight with both teams on every map at any given time? Of course not. But to say that they never fight one team and “always” fight the other and base that off your view of the battlefield and your “map checks”, oh please.

This is a 3 way fight, always has been and always will be. If you want to continue your argument use other forms of evidence or references, because this one is just asinine.

Carry on.

P.S. I’m really surprised this thread isn’t locked. We are so clearly off topic it’s not even funny. This thread is supposed to be about a fight between SoS, JQ and SoR. BG isn’t even in this tier, so BOTH sides really shouldn’t be talking about them.

Resonance.4216:

Noctis.1298:

Resonance.4216:

JQ are awesome at fighting those NPCs and inanimate objects, we should all bask in their glow.

are you enjoying your new server ? on the "winning " team ? …ahem ..

The server that has equivalent coverage to JQ?

See you next week.

For more of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hPpyO_kI60

Why are you here? It says you’re on black gate, go to your own thread. You don’t belong here anymore. You ran away, remember?

In another thread in this forum (the one about an ascended cleric item, with a dev post) it seems confirmed that Guild Missions will provide ANOTHER avenue to obtain ascended gear.

Anyone else find it kind of sad that a feature that wasn’t even announced or discussed until last month gets ascended gear before WvW, which has been around since launch? The WvW gets “delayed” while more and more PvE content gets their attention.

Sorry just wanted to whine a little…I feel like WvW in this game is similar to the PvP in LOTRO, which was essentially never touched or changed.

Resonance.4216:

Jackums.3496:

I’m honestly disappointed in all of the people transferring from SoS.

As I said in the other thread, we play the game to have fun. WvW was not and has not been fun for a while now. Enjoy your complete lack of NA coverage and PvDooring Tier 3 keeps from breakout events.

Yay man I understand. Hasn’t been fun since you guys stopped winning

Once again..SoS guilds couldn’t even handle losing for the number of weeks they won in a row…that doesn’t say much about you guys, in my opinion. You can make any excuse you like, but in my eyes you are jumping ship because you aren’t winning, simple as that. Good luck on Blackgate, I hope the weather fares better for you there.

Edit: I’m sorry I should specify I’m talking only about the guilds jumping ship. The guilds sticking it out have my utmost respect.

Thobek.1730:

drwookie.6391:

Sorry, I’m usually nice and don’t like to stir up trouble, but this server hopping thing is just silly (especially now that an entire guild has to pay for it). Stick to your server and do your best…don’t go jumping around and then be proud of your “victory”.

good post! and also quite amazing coming from a JQ player talking about server hopping and not being proud of your victory when you win.

Of course it’s not my choice, but if it was I’d go back to when we were losing against SoS. No queues, always someone to fight. Though honestly maybe I’m just lucky but during the times I typically play, there always is something to take. I’m rarely on when we have +500 tick.

Wotah.2975:

I wouldn’t get at all upset about it. The guy openly refuses to be a part of the community that he has played with since the beginning. He has only his frame of reference and not that of the community as a whole.

He’s one of few people that believe the way he does.

It’s not so much “refuse” as I never had an interest. The first time I heard mention of the JQ community site way back in September there were only negative connotations. It was always a “did you see that thread on the forum about so and so?” or “Oh man people are totally angry about that yada yada”. I had no interest. Perhaps it has changed since then, but I just chose to stay away.

I am talkative in the TS with my guild, and with others, when the need arises.

But you’re right, I only have my “frame of reference”. I’m not trying to speak for my entire server, it’s just my opinion. I can understand that it can be rough on a server with zero population in WvW to try to be active. I can understand some very early transfers from servers after it becomes clear that certain servers just don’t have a significant presence. However, to flip back and forth from servers that are all active in WvW, just to varying degrees of “coverage”, is in my opinion a bad idea. I would never do it, and if my guild wanted to do it ([FIRE], and I am fairly confident they never will) I would not involve myself.

You could even make the argument that until free transfers ended it was “fair game”…I could be somewhat convinced of that. Now though, with paid server transfers, to transfer an entire guild is just silly in my opinion, and doesn’t paint a very positive picture of the guild.

Miiaah.5416:

I was under the impression they came to BG because they want to fight and still be able to take days off and not pull 14 hour shifts

I’m pretty sure you can fight, take days off and not pull 14 hour shifts on any server…Nothing about SoS requires them to take 14 hour shifts.

At least you have rares and exotics to salvage after many of your fractal runs.

I can spend an equal amount of time in WvW (or 10 times longer) and still not get a single rare. Heck I haven’t had a rare drop in over 2 weeks of playing WvW daily.

And on the real topic: if your argument is that nothing would change by making them guaranteed…than why do it? Clearly something would change, because it’s a change you want.

Gondram.8365:

Thor.1756:

You happen to have chosen JQ, which hasn’t really had much inner turmoil or conflict, and the leadership of major guilds aren’t kittens. So it makes sense for you or me to want to stick around JQ, it’s a pretty cool server. Other people haven’t had that luxury.

Not taking any sides in this conversation, but I figured I should mention that JQ weathered a LOT of inner turmoil and conflict, and not everyone stuck around. The TW/FATE/IRNY guys left for SoR during the worst of the kittenstorm, and nobody blamed them. We’ve had a couple major guild leaders who ended up being major liabilities (who both ended up being banned from both the JQ community site and the community TS).

The JQ core who’ve been around from the beginning have stuck through as much drama crap as any other server. The only “trial” JQ hasn’t faced yet is a downward plunge in the tiers – and that is in large part due to those of us who put in massive hours to hang on to tier one during SoS’s period of dominance.

All that said I do agree JQ is a pretty cool server. :-)

Ya maybe I just don’t notice any drama because I avoid all of it. I’m not even a member of the community site (though I use the TS daily).

In any case, unless they can say otherwise it seems like the guilds leaving SoS are not leaving due to any “drama”, but merely because they are looking for a place where they can win. This kind of transfer has happened many times so far (including when many people transferred to JQ) and it will only continue to happen because so many people prioritize winning over everything else. Ya they can argue it’s for “more balanced fights”, but for the vast majority of people a “more balanced fight” is code for “a fight where we are on top”.

ISteveI.9732:

Hope SOS drop to T2 asap to rebuild ourselves. Majority of the guild are still staying in SOS.

As for SOR, good luck guys!

To the guilds that are staying with SoS – I wish you all the luck possible, and hope to face you again. SoS has been with us (JQ) for a longggg time. You’re like a brother from another mother….if half-brothers killed each other.

Guilds on SoS can’t even stand to lose as many weeks as they won.

Say what you will about JQ, but at least the core guilds don’t hop around searching for greener grass. At least not that I recall. JQ didn’t crumble just because we placed second or third several weeks in a row.

Sorry, I’m usually nice and don’t like to stir up trouble, but this server hopping thing is just silly (especially now that an entire guild has to pay for it). Stick to your server and do your best…don’t go jumping around and then be proud of your “victory”.

And before anyone says anything….I am directing this towards the guilds that joined JQ as well. I personally didn’t ask for them (nor did I want them). While I will continue to fight alongside them they will always hold less respect in my eyes, compared to those of us that picked one server and stuck through from the beginning. Nothing will ever change that.

EDIT: Edited on my computer to fix some typos from my tablet, and change a couple words. I’ll also add that I used to really look down at HoD’s alliance in the early days for all jumping ship. However, at least they had the balls to jump ship when they were WINNING instead of when they were losing.

Handin.4032:

The ONLY reason the jumping puzzles are easily finished with a mesmer helper is because the way that they were designed. They’re some of the only JP’s in the game where a mesmer can easily get people to the final part. And personally, as a mesmer, I would be ok with disabling portals in JP’s, even though I really only use them for check pointing.

I’m doing a mental checklist of most JP’s in this game….the vast majority are easily accessible via Mesmer portals. Which ones are you thinking about?

Back on topic:

Can anyone think of a legitimate reason why portals SHOULDN"T be disabled in a JP? Why should you be rewarded with a chest for not completing the puzzle? The chest is a reward for the puzzle, not for your ability to press “f” on the purple circle.

Honestly at least for the WvW jumping puzzles I think portals should be deactivated within the area. They aren’t even jumping puzzles anymore. One person runs through the EB puzzle and dozens get teleported.

You should have to actually DO the puzzle to get the reward. Skipping the entire puzzle and just opening a chest is silly, in my view.

I had read that post.

I guess I would like to know what rules are set in place to decide if you qualify for loot. They say they are different than if you qualify for kills. What are the rules? It doesn’t sound like they are linking kill xp/loot 1-1, so the rules will still be different.

I’m guessing the INTENTION is that no matter how you kill an enemy, you have an equal chance of getting a loot. However I’m just wondering if that is true.

I can get “kill credit” (get xp) from a group of 15-25 people in WvW through my use of confusion. I Never actually attacked most of them, but I get xp for all of them (I see lots and lots of xp’s popping over my head).

However, in that group of 15-25 kills…I typically get ZERO bags. The bags I do get come from the people I focus on with my GS, or down specifically.

It was my understanding that if you get xp, you have an equal chance off all enemies to get loot as well. Is that not true?

Cirus.5748:

drwookie.6391:

Cirus.5748:

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

What suggestion do you have? Stop playing? Pay to transfer?

We agree all suffering at the hands of the games mechanics. Think of it more like Enders game…we aren’t enemies! The teachers are the enemies!

Whatever gives you the most fun.

Transferring off to even up the tier wouldn’t be the worst option, if it’s a contest you seek.

Allow me to elaborate.

This was tier 1 before Jade Quarry was stacked: http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/17

This was tier 1 after Jade Quarry was stacked http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/19

And this is last week http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/37/22

Note, on the graphs the spacing of the total points between the 1st placed server and the rest. This is a key indicator of how equal the servers are.

I don’t deny the large influx of players we had, and I also don’t deny that it has unbalanced the matchup. However one thing to remember is that we were not the only server “recruiting” during that time. In fact if I recall correctly, I believe SoS (the winning server at the time) made a “recruitment” post on this forum before JQ did. Yes in the end way got way more, and the reasons for that I can’t completely spell out with confidence.

In any case, given the way things are now I understand your suggestion (leaving to find better battles). Some people on JQ, given enough time, may do just that. Perhaps we will go the way of HoD. However, being on JQ since the beta weekends, and having all of my friends on JQ I’m not going anywhere.

Believe what you will, but when I log onto WvW there are still fun fights to be had. Yes sometimes I log on during those hours that we have a massive population advantage, but perhaps I just live in a time zone where I get to see both. I still frequently log on when we are ticking in the 100’s. And even if we are ticking in the 400’s, I can still have some fun fights, and at the very least I can hang out in TS with friends.

While WvW could be better (balanced fights 24/7 etc…), it’s still fun for me personally (overall, there are some rough times). Honestly it was MORE fun when we were losing to SoS week after week (there was always something to do), but it’s still plenty fun now. If that changes we’ll see. Most likely I will move onto a different game before I change servers.

urzen.7096:

dont why jq even plays. must be boring for them.

See the post right above you by someone on SoR.

Many of us on JQ play for the fights as well. I totally agree it can be boring when we have queues and you are both out manned. However, I have also had some great fights while our tic is 400+. Just because we have a big lead doesn’t negate some good battles. That’s why I play at least.

Cirus.5748:

What the people on Jade Quarry don’t realise, is that your stacked server is destroying the rest of the WvW competition.

It doesn’t effect you because you’re winning by 100k points, right? Wrong.

It’s squeezing the life out of the other tier 1 servers, more people are becoming discouraged because it’s not fun to get steamrolled at your spawn on 4 fronts 24/7. You will come to a realization that you had more fun when the competition was close and epic battles were fought against worthy enemies.

You’ll get bored of spawn camping and PvDooring, then your server will self destruct and top tier WvW will die with you.

Think about it.

What suggestion do you have? Stop playing? Pay to transfer?

We agree all suffering at the hands of the games mechanics. Think of it more like Enders game…we aren’t enemies! The teachers are the enemies!

Zen.8497:

I honestly had respect for VoTF but I think it is pretty pathetic that at this moment in The Eternal Borderlands they are just helping JQ instead of taking objectives for their server. But then again if they loved challenge they would of have played on EU servers. Maybe they want to transfer to JQ and need to work that gold. Work it baby!

I actually think they are chasing us and trying to attack our zerg. When we were fighting at Langor they came up behind and tried to wipe us. Then they came into Bravost to try to steal it from us. At least that is what it seems like from our perspective.

For anyone else who is in EB right now – That was an awesome (somewhat depressing from our point of view) fight in Danelon.

We fall back, SoR chases us in. SoS comes in through the other side. I won’t use the phrase here, but I think you all know what I’m thinking about. It’s okay though, it was pretty great.

EDIT:

A second great 3 way fight in Bravost. I think VOTF is following us

Have the developers ever commented on this? It is crazy to me that months after release you can still randomly get no credit for a tower capture. You can be in the ring and get nothing. Many many times if you are out of the ring you get nothing, even if you were integral to the capture (I was just in a golem, destroyed the gate, ported the golem back and got nothing).

Do they ever intend to make it more consistent?

elderan.2638:

I’ve been on JQ since Charles Babbage invented the Analytical Engine in 1837.

And on the Eighth Day, God created JQ.

And I joined.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

drwookie.6391:

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

I’m tired of fighting JQ at this point not going to lie. While we fight our hearts out against guilds we once fought on other servers and have good fights, we go to sleep and wake up to +400 PPT and fully upgraded keeps from Euro Prime time. I know a lot of us try so hard to prevent this from happening but there is nothing we can do. VoTF and our other Euros fight a very hard battle and I have much respect for them. I hope SOS doesn’t get burnt out and that’s why I wish to get away from JQ even if it is just for one week. Even though I always play to win or by PPT, if we continuously get matched with JQs 24/7 coverage and all matches end the same way with a false sense of competitiveness on the weekends and a complete face kitten during our coverage hole, I’m just going to start playing to kill people and hope I don’t get burnt out.

on a Side not, Good fights out there. I see a lot of improvements on all sides of the table. a lot of three way battles on SOS BL. This match-up has been awesome so far.

You make it sound like SoS has been suffering at the hands of JQ for months. Before what, like two weeks ago, didn’t you guys have like a nine week win streak? After all that winning, two weeks is all it takes for you to get sick of us?

There were weeks on end where I felt the same way with SoS, before we had our recruitment. Entire borderlands taken when I get on. But I just kept on fighting, like the rest of JQ.

I mean I’m pretty sure before the mega transfers to servers when SOS was winning the matches were very close. The only match that seemed to be a blow out was like the very first tier 1 match up SOS entered. You sorta missed my point as well. I said if this continues and I didn’t say I would stop fighting…. I will never stop fighting till I get burnt out of the game. You’ll see me and my guild + my alliance out there leading everyday. And as you said you felt the same way with SOS… SO expect us to feel that way when its worst off that’s all.

That’s good to hear. I want you to keep fighting. Some people on JQ I know are sick of SoS, but at the end of the day you have been the toughest competition we have faced. I’ll be honest, your post just sounded a little whiney, however I am glad to hear you aren’t giving up

The biggest mistake Anet has done since this game was released was add a new dungeon system AND a new item tier and link them solely together.

Yes they PLAN on adding new ways to get the items (and yes they already have with laurels). However, that is still what now, 3 or 4 months late?

They took a game which, like the OP said, offered multiple different playstyles a path to the top equipment of the game. The game really wasn’t about grinding for gear, gear was supposed to play a minor role and instead the game was supposed to be about skill (like GW1). As soon as they made a “grind” for a “top item”, it suddenly became just another WoW. Lion’s Arch filled with people who never leave and just run FOTM.

Now I don’t have a problem with FOTM (To be completely honest I did my FIRST set EVER last night lol). I’m sure people really enjoy it and I’m glad they added it. As dungeons go it’s clever. But like I said, linking the new tier of gear to it for 3+ months was a BAD BAD BAD idea. They realized that, and it has just taken them a very long time to try to fix it.

MaLeVoLenT.8129:

I’m tired of fighting JQ at this point not going to lie. While we fight our hearts out against guilds we once fought on other servers and have good fights, we go to sleep and wake up to +400 PPT and fully upgraded keeps from Euro Prime time. I know a lot of us try so hard to prevent this from happening but there is nothing we can do. VoTF and our other Euros fight a very hard battle and I have much respect for them. I hope SOS doesn’t get burnt out and that’s why I wish to get away from JQ even if it is just for one week. Even though I always play to win or by PPT, if we continuously get matched with JQs 24/7 coverage and all matches end the same way with a false sense of competitiveness on the weekends and a complete face kitten during our coverage hole, I’m just going to start playing to kill people and hope I don’t get burnt out.

on a Side not, Good fights out there. I see a lot of improvements on all sides of the table. a lot of three way battles on SOS BL. This match-up has been awesome so far.

You make it sound like SoS has been suffering at the hands of JQ for months. Before what, like two weeks ago, didn’t you guys have like a nine week win streak? After all that winning, two weeks is all it takes for you to get sick of us?

There were weeks on end where I felt the same way with SoS, before we had our recruitment. Entire borderlands taken when I get on. But I just kept on fighting, like the rest of JQ.

Syeria.4812:

Conncept.7638:

Syeria.4812:

You’re desperately reaching to try claim it’s worse now. He stated that it’s a very rare reward for defeating a particular boss.

No, he did not. And your inability to properly interpret a basic sentence does not define completely logical interpretation as ‘reaching’.

“It’s a very rare reward from defeating a boss in the open world”

He said ‘a boss’ not ‘A specific boss’ as was previously stated. It could be on the loot table of many bosses or a single one, or even the loot table of every single boss and just be exceedingly rare. And you’d have to be a complete idiot to think it’s not a rare reward at this point anyway, so that information was confusing, useless, and obvious; pointed out unnecessarily on both your part and his.

Might want to learn how to do something yourself before accusing others of making a mistake. He stated:

“It’s a very rare reward from defeating a boss in the open world”

That is “a boss.” This implies singular. If more than one boss provided the reward, the statement would be “It’s a very rare reward from defeating bosses in the open world.” If you’re going to desperately dig that deeply into a casual sentence (which is taken second hand, and might not even be an exact quote) at least do it accurately.

Those are both legit ways to say it.

“Milk is something you get from a cow on a farm”

“Milk is something you get from cows on a farm”

Both could be used to mean you get the object from many things that fit under the same term (in my example cow, in yours boss)

Now perhaps one way is the accurate english way to pronounce it, but devs aren’t perfect at English so you can’t hold them to that.

From the statement made it could apply to a singular boss, or many bosses. It isn’t clear.

Shaojack.3871:

Ok another rule to the drinking game, will run Friday and Saturday night.
Any mention of 2v1, drink.
Any past match cheap shots/wise cracks in the forum, drink.
More to continue, drink.

I say if you want to post on this thread, you must take a drink.

zombieCHAS.7193:

Sanctum of Rall Borderlands @ SoR Garrison (center top of map) JQ is hitting from one side has west wall down & SoS is attacking from east side has east side wall down. Now they are just circling and not attack each other at all. The Tier 1 hazing has begun that is for sure.

What are you talking about not fighting each other? I killed plenty of SoS in that fight.

All around that was an awesome battle at garrison. SoS almost took it after we did all the work. It was intense.

By the way…I vote we should change the name of one of you guys. It is getting really confusing trying to keep SoS and SoR straight….I feel like JQ is at a disadvantage from this

Savoy.6824:

@drwookie, Well the good news is, the things I want ectos for are for either cosmetic things or for playing in fractals (agony resistance) so unless you want to simply frighten people away with the blinding glow of you abysmal scepter (which I so hope happens someday) then you shouldnt need them too much. I like WvW as well and I can tell you that if I did not want to play PvE as well, I cant think of a reason I would need them. (Provided, I already had full exotic armor and jewlery)

Ya I don’t have a goal of getting a legendary so ectoplasms specifically don’t bother me much. However, I would like access to those ascended rings and the backpiece you guys get (it will happen eventually I know). Also just think of the extra income I would have if I was earning those ectos and selling them

This is really sad to read.

I can’t remember the last time I got an Ecto, without buying a rare off the TP specifically to salvage it for an Ecto. I play WvW exclusively. I don’t think I’ve ever gotten a yellow. Or maybe I’ve gotten 1 or 2. I play about 12-15 hours a week probably.

All I have to do is remind myself that I pay nothing to play this game, and most of my complaints go away. (I’m excluding the buying price…at this point I have more than had my moneys worth for fifty bugs)

Are there things I would like to see done differently? Sure. But technically I’m not a paying customer so I can’t complain too much.

If it is going to work the way I expect, they will be lopsided for much longer than a week. With week long matches it will likely take at least a month or two for things to settle.

Grevender.9235:

Ravenmoon.5318:

To the people with superiority complex, kitten off !

I am just an average Joe, really.

1) The achievement wasn’t registering all combo finishers so please, cut it out playing pros, because you are not, you were lucky to have the right classes

the achievement was working perfectly, Colin is just too much of a good guy to tell you the truth and said “it wasn’t working as intended” (but he meant that probably while facepalming). A guildie of mine logged Warrior, Guardian and even Ranger and he was advancing smoothly. There is no “right class”.

2) There were, at some points, forced disconnects/outages that beside being annoying as kitten, ROLLED BACK the character for ~5-10 minutes.

so what? we’ve been rolled back five times, and did that combo thing again for each of the toons in the party. Still everything went pretty well… and fast.

Not to mention that the update came SUPER late for the european servers and we had like 2 hours to complete it.

I am in Europe too.

2) Strong enough mobs to cast few combos with my guildmates

this was exactly what had to be done to begin with…

I was on a TS server with ten or more guildies. We were all playing together and cleared four temples in Orr. In that time only about three of us finished it. It only requires ten. There is absolutely no way it should have taken four temples to get ten combo kills. It was clearly bugged. Maybe not for you, but just because it worked for you doesn’t mean it was working as intended. We even fought enemies specifically to combo kill them and it would only randomly count.

Kvitoq.9154:

Blackwolfe.5649:

Nobody will buy ascended rings with laurels? Im nobody :P

I don’t run fractals, I do wvw. Guess that makes me nobody as well…

Ditto. One thing we can say is that “nobody” (all of us) won’t have an ascended ring for another month or so (or more).

There is no way I can imagine that the bugs with the new dailies would have made it through a test server.

Is it hubris that is keeping Anet from adding one? Do they seriously think their internal testing is adequate? Because it appears it is clearly not.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

Mungrul.9358:

Oh for god’s sake Kitty, some of us don’t want to spend our limited time grinding away the same content over and over. That’s not fun; it’s work.
Why is it ridiculous that Dailies should have the same reward rate as Fractals?
What if I think players who are able to adapt to new scenarios and seek out different ways of achieving dailies are better than people who play the same content that doesn’t change over and over again?
Let’s face it, there’s nothing hard or unpredictable about playing the same instanced, scripted content over and over.
You just have to have a complete lack of imagination and be stimulated by repetitive grind.

Oh give it a break, if you think doing daily achievements is even close to the same as fractals in terms of difficulty or time then you’re deluded.

This gives you a choice. Do something easier and wait a bit longer for rings, or do something a bit harder and get them faster.

Stop being a spoiled brat who has to have everything right now.

If you think you should do some easy as hell daily achievements and get an ascended ring in the same amount of time as it takes doing fractals, you’re crazy.

It isn’t about easier or harder. It is about play styles.

I have never entered a fractal. I don’t even really know where they are. I have zero interest and if I can help it I will never do one. This isn’t because it is “too hard” for me, I just have no interest. I am here for WvW. I, not saying that is better than fractals, it is just what I enjoy.

The fact that doing what I enjoy earns me the rewards ten times slower than You is just wrong. It is not how they intended their game to go, when they advertised. I can spend the same amount of time in WvW, OR MORE, than you do in fractals and it will still take me far far longer to get the best gear.

That is a problem. I know thast eventually they will be working to fix that, but so far it is happening EXTREMELY slowly, and that is a poor indication about their priorities. This is a perfect example. You get one laurel a day, no matter how many hours you play. I can spend eight hours in WVW and end up with a single laurel. Tell me what you can get I eight hours of fractals…

Tortitudo Probo.2598:

Did it with a mesmer buddy who used null field and another one (forgot the name), I used kill shot. Just make sure the bullet passes through the barrier. No need to kill the mob with it, if you damage it and finish it off normally it also registers. GL!

That may have worked for you but it is for sure not working for everyone.

I registered MANY combos in a team of five in Order, and it took me about an hour to get “ten”. I’m guessing I did at least one hundred combo finishers (damaging ones) in that time. Something is bugged, maybe not for everyone but for some of us.

I think this is a good example why a test server would be handy. I can’t imagine this getting through ~1000 people in a test server.

So as I understand it a couple of things will occur:

1. Scores will reset at end of this week
2. Matchup next week will be decided by the rankings this week, before they are reset

So essentially the three tier 1 servers by rankings at the end of this week will still fight each other next week as if there was no reset. But FOLLOWING next week, ranks will start anew.

How will tier 1 be defined after next week? Will it be the three servers who win by the widest margin? That wouldn’t really be the three top servers, just the three servers with the widest margin between the, and their competition.

However, if the new rankings take into account previous tiers to decide score, then the rankings aren’t really going to be reset completely.

So are we to expect several weeks of the tiers being all weird? Tier 1 being made up of the three servers who were furthest from their competitors (but not necessarily the top three servers). How long do people think it will take for things to settle?

elkirin.8534:

I agree with gospel, we all have fought/played alongside some fine players. Many commanders have stayed up all night or round the clock to help their teams and some players actually respect their opponents skills and tenacity. I enjoy the game.

I am still out their fighting for SoS but to be honest, I am not happy that BG could be booted from Tier 1 in a week where they win silver.

It seems wrong but I am sure that if BG drops, they will return shortly, they have been playing great.

In case you didn’t see, scores are being reset at the end of this week and starting fresh next week. So while they may start fresh in Tier 2, if they are truly one of the top 3 servers they should end up in the top tier again right afterwards since the scores will be all new.

ReapersSolitude.1940:

Being on SoS since i got the game at Launch We have been through A lot and I Haven’t really ever seen us talk the trash that i see JQ doing on a daily basis, on the forums here. I think the best part is you guys think your good. There are no tactics to how you play, all you have is a big zerg that just roll over people. But what was really amazing was for 6 hours we rolled Both servers that where attacking us on both sides and still held the castle with holes in the walls. We have amazing commanders that use skill and tactics Not brooding zerg. Also i don’t post much, but when it comes to 2 v 1, its happening the only reason why you say we are crying is because guess what you are in 1 and 2. hmmmmm just something to think about. Hmmmmm SoS held the top spot for how long?…………. I think it was 10 weeks straight, i could be off but hey it just goes to show that it took a stack server and getting 2 v 1 to take us down. Have a nice day.

I think point of view is really important in WvW.

To be honest when I am out on the field (I play mostly in Borderlands btw), it always just seems like SoS is using a large zerg mentality and that’s it. I would say I don’t ever really see significant strategy. On the other hand, since i’m in TS with my commanders and we are constantly talking it appears that my team is using strategy. Therefore from my point of view it is the “tactical JQ vs zerg SoS”. I realize though, from your point of view it probably seems like “tactical SoS vs zerg JQ”. It all just comes from perspective.

Also I don’t really see how we are talking so much more smack than anyone else? People from all 3 servers have talked their fair share of smack over the past weeks. Right now it just seems like we are mostly trying to defend ourselves from people being angry that a lot of guilds joined us. Say what you want, but I’m willing to bet that if the situation were reversed you would want to defend yourself as well. I highly doubt BG or SoS would have tried to stop more guilds from joining them, they would have welcomed them with open arms as we did. You can claim otherwise, but you can’t really prove it so it’s a moot point.

Also, don’t think that we are all just giddy about winning by a large margin. At least in the conversations I have in TS we (older original guilds) are having our fair share of complaining (politely to each other within the guild) about the queues. When the ticks become widely displaced we don’t enjoy it either. Yes +500 tick is somewhat fun to see (server pride and all that) but it also boring, on both sides. In the ideal world all servers would be perfectly balanced, I think we would all love that. But in the moment we all tried to recruit, and all 3 servers were trying to get as much as well could. Yes JQ ended up recruiting more, and that is clearly causing animosity. But the people who are upset I am fairly confident wouldnt’ be complaining if their server was the one who recruited more. THe situation would be perfectly flipped and we would be having the same discussion but just on opposite sides. If you want to claim otherwise go ahead, but since we can’t prove either way we have to go with human nature. Human nature would suggest any of the servers would be excited/happy to have recruited well, and would gladly defend themselves against people complaining about it.

Grizledorf.5290:

Belphegor.7596:

how u can do combo with warrior?

rofl.. this guy’s post and the countless numbers of clueless players are solid proof that this combo achievement was an excellent addition. Hopefully now people will actually perform combos to benefit their team/hinder their enemies.

The problem isn’t just performing combos. Even if you perform combos it doesn’t add. Even if you KILL with a combo finisher it doesn’t always add. I’ve tried it several times. Yes I did eventually complete it, but I had to do WAY more than 10 combo kills to get there.

I don’t even understand the kill combo daily.

Do we have to get a killing blow with a combo finisher? I have done dozens of combos with my party mates since loading the game and I’m only up to 6/10.

Seems silly if you have to time your finisher to kill the mob just to get credit.

Ruprect.7260:

It’s like this change is a big surprise lol. Everyone had thier alts parked thier. It probably was the main sorce of Ori in the TP.

Ya the only surprise is it took this long.

I’m also kind of confused about blaming JQ for the transfers. Unless underhanded deals went on that I don’t know about, what could we do OTHER than ask if people want to join, and then provide blackouts for them to do so?

Were we bribing guilds? Were we selling them our bodies so they join us? Making a thread asking people to join your server is something that all 3 servers did, to my knowledge. Beyond that is the transferring guilds that decide. It’s not like we could say ‘Nope stop transferring, we are turning it off’. We (original guilds on JQ) didn’t have that power.

SoS made a recruitment thread, we made a recruitment thread. It isn’t our doing that we got more people, it was the people that joined. For whatever reason JQ was more appealing. Should we apologize for that? I don’t think so.

People honestly can’t argue that having a rich ori node that respawns every 24 hours in the exact same place every single day was a good idea.

I’m not innocent, I park my 80’s there and do it every day. Every time I log in there are 5-10 people there. I know they are only there for the ore and will likely just log off after they collect it to switch characters. That kind of farming is just not necessary.

Now if they want to have a rich ori node that MOVES, fine. Makes it a little more interesting. But to have in the same place was just a bad idea from the beginning.

This is so amazing. I’m surprised it took them this long.

Expect to watch ori ore go up. In the hour since the patch notes were released they went up by around 70 copper already.