Guild Wars 2

Beldin.5498:

Zergs.9715:

@Beldin
And wouldn’t it be a glorious day if you defeated that bully and sent him packing instead of cowering in your parallel universe. Nothing against you personally, but strongly against your attitude. There’s a worse things out there than dieing in a video game.

I’m bad at PvP and i never win if i’m already half on my life and the characters that
are 15 level higher jump on me .. mostly in a horde of 5+ ..
That was what i encountered all day in AION when the game was over 6 months out
and after i was ganked the last time 3 times in 40 minutes i just logged out and
never logged in again. And i will never ever set a foot in any game that forces me
into PvP.

Well technically due to how the game works this wont matter too much as it supposedly scales you down correct? They might have a small stat advantage, but just like in normal pvp, in most games, its skill>gear.

Either way again, if we use a toggle, it wouldnt matter because someone like you who wouldn’t want to do it, could just never enable it right?

Seera.5916:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Here are some facts:

• GW2 PvE is built to be cooperative play; open PvP in PvE is competitive. The design concepts don’t mix.
• Western MMO’s that offer PvP servers are all built to support that feature, and have factions which are enemies. GW2 does not have those factions.
• WvW fills a similar niche. There are factions there. There are PvE-like objectives (mobs, tasks to complete, looking over one’s shoulder while doing so is a good idea, etc.).
• ANet has periodically put in incentives to get players into WvW. The most recent example is the daily changes. Open PvP in PvE would likely detract from WvW.

All of this means that it is highly unlikely you will ever see what you’re asking for.

I think this is more what i was looking. Most people are wanting to reply “no” or “yes” but without any specific reasoning as to why. I think i could see this.

I can say personally i never had any issues with “camping or griefing” even in wow as far as that goes, i just always liked the idea of open world pvp. Not sure why but i hate having to join an instance just to pvp.

Even on non pvp servers you COULD pvp if you wanted to by turning the pvp option on, so that way those who wanted to could, and those that didn’t want to couldn’t be attacked(unless they did something stupid like invade the opposing factions base, in which case pvp is implied).

I wonder about a world pvp toggle? this way it would be mutual, and those who didn’t want to didn’t have to.

Nidome.1365:

Ashen.2907:

Beldin.5498:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I like the concept and the fun it create, i also understand it creates camping and unfun “questing” etc.

The fun is only on side of the school bullys that like to grief other players and jump
in their back when they are already nearly dead from fighting against mobs.

So NO .. for the 10.000th time.

These games may work in Korea, but not in the west.

And here is an example that makes me wonder if the toxicity ad griefing might be not on the side of the PvPers after all. Calling the OP a school bully for expressing an opinion and asking a question ?

Now that you bring the subject up – when that opinion is wanting to be able to attack other players who aren’t interested in PvP? Wanting to fight other people who don’t want to fight other people seems to fit the description of a bully quite well.

World pvp comes in different formats. In wow it is also toggleable on non pvp servers, so those who want to, could. I never expressed what you said directly, you inferred YOUR viewpoint into mine, which is also a logical fallacy, because if you consider one side, you must also consider the opposite. Read my above response about a solution that encompasses both sides.

How do you counteract the players who will pester people and harasss them if they don’t turn it on? There are people who already give anecdotes that it is already hard for ANet to punish harassers.

Idk? block and report them the same way you would anyone else who might harass you?

This problem’s not specific to PvP. That would be an issue with people harassing in general. and i can’t say i have ever run into issues like that on any server, in any game with PvP options(there are a couple)

Celtic Lady.3729:

If there are worlds that have open world PVP and it’s not the world I play on, terrific. But I don’t want it if I ever have to deal with it. I hate open world PVP that always degenerates into griefing and quest or event progress being blocked and ruined.

Or I guess a toggle thing would be okay so long as NPCs for quests and events cannot be also killed.

Yeah. Wow does this for non PvP servers. Now in wow some npcs can also be killed, but most cannot. I don’t see this as an issue here, but this would fix both sides.

I don’t want to world pvp all the time, but sometimes i get the itch, or think its fun, and dont want to hop into a que. I like the “randomness” of running into someone else whos got pvp turned on and going in for a challenge, without a clue of how good they are or what gear they have.

Structured pvp and wvw are different in ways, and i don’t always want to pvp on that scale either

IndigoSundown.5419:

Here are some facts:

• GW2 PvE is built to be cooperative play; open PvP in PvE is competitive. The design concepts don’t mix.
• Western MMO’s that offer PvP servers are all built to support that feature, and have factions which are enemies. GW2 does not have those factions.
• WvW fills a similar niche. There are factions there. There are PvE-like objectives (mobs, tasks to complete, looking over one’s shoulder while doing so is a good idea, etc.).
• ANet has periodically put in incentives to get players into WvW. The most recent example is the daily changes. Open PvP in PvE would likely detract from WvW.

All of this means that it is highly unlikely you will ever see what you’re asking for.

I think this is more what i was looking. Most people are wanting to reply “no” or “yes” but without any specific reasoning as to why. I think i could see this.

I can say personally i never had any issues with “camping or griefing” even in wow as far as that goes, i just always liked the idea of open world pvp. Not sure why but i hate having to join an instance just to pvp.

Even on non pvp servers you COULD pvp if you wanted to by turning the pvp option on, so that way those who wanted to could, and those that didn’t want to couldn’t be attacked(unless they did something stupid like invade the opposing factions base, in which case pvp is implied).

I wonder about a world pvp toggle? this way it would be mutual, and those who didn’t want to didn’t have to.

Nidome.1365:

Ashen.2907:

Beldin.5498:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I like the concept and the fun it create, i also understand it creates camping and unfun “questing” etc.

The fun is only on side of the school bullys that like to grief other players and jump
in their back when they are already nearly dead from fighting against mobs.

So NO .. for the 10.000th time.

These games may work in Korea, but not in the west.

And here is an example that makes me wonder if the toxicity ad griefing might be not on the side of the PvPers after all. Calling the OP a school bully for expressing an opinion and asking a question ?

Now that you bring the subject up – when that opinion is wanting to be able to attack other players who aren’t interested in PvP? Wanting to fight other people who don’t want to fight other people seems to fit the description of a bully quite well.

World pvp comes in different formats. In wow it is also toggleable on non pvp servers, so those who want to, could. I never expressed what you said directly, you inferred YOUR viewpoint into mine, which is also a logical fallacy, because if you consider one side, you must also consider the opposite. Read my above response about a solution that encompasses both sides.

TO BE SPECIFIC, this would be outside of WvW and Arena. I’m talking about like Map PvP.

I like the concept and the fun it create, i also understand it creates camping and unfun “questing” etc.
I have a possible solution that exists in other MMO’s. What are your thoughts on a toggleable pvp option?

This would allow those who want to “flag” themselves to do so, and those who don’t…nothing would change.

This forces players who want to PvP while questing and exploring to manually choose to do so. In this way if they get griefed, or camped, or run into trouble, they choose this option and accept full responsibility.

What about actual GUILD WARS. Not structured PvP, not WvW but Guild Vs Guild wars in open pvp combined with the above toggle, but as an entire guild.

In other games there are faction/guild/clan wars in the sense that you would be enabled to attack a person from X clan/guild at anytime, anywhere, if both parties agreed to the “guild war”. This would make pvp specific guilds a bit more interesting too IMO

Avster.1935:

Bernie.8674:

Avster.1935:

EDIT: Maybe raids can have NORMAL mode and HARD mode, with better more exclusive rewards locked in HARD CORE mode. That way, the not so skillful players can still stroll through the normal mode, and those seeking challenge can do the hard mode and get rewarded appropriately. Everyone wins.

The stuff in italics is exactly why I’m against raiding. First raiders want harder content. Then they want better rewards. Then they want even better rewards to sweeten the pot because otherwise there’s no way to get ten players to sign onto a 3 hour commitment on a weekly basis. Before you know it you have two categories of players: the ones in raid gear who do double the DPS of everyone else despite running the same rotations in the same way and the non-raiders who are looked down upon because they aren’t committed enough to have as good of gear. Thanks, but no thanks.

Do you even play GW2? There is absolutely no gear trend mill in this game. Since when did I ever state I want to be more powerful than you? That doesn’t show that I’m a better/skillful player. ANet even said in HoT announcement that there will be no gear grind involved. This is GW2 aka horizontal progression aka Skin Wars 2. Give me an exclusive skin or item that let’s others know of my feat.

Also of course we want better rewards, if we are willing to put in the time, commitment, and organize this, why shouldn’t we? Rewards attained from mindless zerging should not be equal to organized skillful play.

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Have you ever heard of the concept of a guild? Maybe try gathering or joining a group of like-minded people, filling up dungeon parties has never been an issue.

Bernie.8674:

World of Warcraft is calling to you. There are plenty of raids to be found there. I prefer that development resources in this game remain focused on content for everyone, not just on content for “a few skillful players.” There are plenty of other games out there that target that crowd. How selfish are you? Why do you want to turn the one casual game in the market into the same old raiding game that everyone else is doing? If you want raiding, please play one of the many others that provide it.

First of all. What? Re-read what you just wrote. Just re-read it.

Why in the world would I go to WoW? I never played it, I never will. I absolutely hate gear grinding. Let me state it in bold so you don’t get confused again.

There is NO power creep in GW2 in terms of gear grinding

I never said I want to turn a casual game into raiding. Have you even read my previous post? There are plenty of open world event maps that are coming out, and you can’t even allow a few of us to enjoy fun, challenging content?

FYI – I also like the open world pve events. But raids are a different need.

Also this game is play how you want. Nothing is mandatory. You’re not forced to raid to advance in terms of power level.

Let me help you out. The only legitimate rebuttal that you have is that it “takes up resources that could have been used elsewhere”. Fine, okay. I can also say that I don’t like all the jumping puzzle (hypothetical, I actually enjoy JP) that they put in the game, since only a handful of people do them. So why waste resource on making more of them? See what I did there? None of us have concrete facts or numbers to dictate whether the allocation of such resources is a waste of time or not.

And no, I won’t play another game, because I absolutely love the GW franchise. Been here for a long time, so YOU can leave if you don’t want to be here.

This. Why can’t there be a raid that implements gw2 style rewards? Why can’t there be a raid that offer’s different cosmetics and kitten etc etc. Wow did that. You got slightly better gear, but you also got different colored gear than those doing the normal stuff.

This would keep the “oh look the raiders go uber kitten” factor under control, while allowing those wanting a raid a slightly different reward.

Also, wow is practically NOTHING BUT RAIDS. What would be wrong with having 1 raid in ALL OF GW2. JUST ONE.

I came from wow and don’t mind the raiding. As a new gw2 player i an say i definitely love the open world raiding and events style of gw2 much more but at the same time, i like a challenging dungeon with mechanics that requires effort to learn, with an equally better reward at the end.

I wouldnt mind you know ONE or TWO raids like that.. but if it were to become the norm or average it would just be like wow, and that’s exactly what i was trying to get away from.

NTDK.4897:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Vermillion.4061:

SweetFX is 100% safe, been using it for almost 2 years with no problems at all.

GemFX I’ve never used so I have no opinion over it.

I can’t tell if its working. Which version are you using? I tried to load one of the preset files(the most popular one with highest downloads) and it just kept giving me an error. I tried the iris one and it seemed to load, but i cant tell a difference

Did you put d3d9.dll, dxgi.dll and injector.ini inside bin folder?
it should be like this
Guild Wars 2/bin/(those 3 files)
Guild Wars 2/SweetFx/ <—-the folder you got from the SweetFX archive file
Guild Wars 2/SweetFX_preset.txt
Guild Wars 2/SweetFX_settings.txt

and the SweetFX_preset.txt should look like this
//#include “SweetFX\Presets\Default_1.5_settings.txt”
#include “SweetFX\Presets\Guild_Wars_2_Sweet_Subtle_and_Sharp.txt”

put // before the preset you dont use

I THINK i finally figured it out. I was using the dragon plugin, and OMG it looks so godkitten nice now. Holy. Wow.

Vermillion.4061:

SweetFX is 100% safe, been using it for almost 2 years with no problems at all.

GemFX I’ve never used so I have no opinion over it.

I can’t tell if its working. Which version are you using? I tried to load one of the preset files(the most popular one with highest downloads) and it just kept giving me an error. I tried the iris one and it seemed to load, but i cant tell a difference

segman.3560:

“It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept” And why was this change made? Possibly because the previous system wasn’t as efficient as making sales? So that means their intent was to make more money.

No. Go, do some research.

Still no proof from you.

Toodles.

Checkmate bud

Any changes made to a game after release are monetary. There is no other reason.

If they changed the system because people were complaining, it was to avoid a loss of sales.

If they changed the system to make it more efficient, it was to increase sales.

I’d see a therapist for your anger issues however.

I’m open to other arguments or viewpoints form anyone else.

segman.3560:

I have yet to see your proof about making a profit from changing current system to yours.

Why gem store was changed? And was it? It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept. Why was it made? I am not your tutor. Go and do some research about wardrobe and why was it introduced.

Toodles.

So you ignored the fact that my questions countered your point, and instead of offering a counter to that, you gave up and provided a general statement.

Dunning-Kruger all over again.

“It was a wardrobe that was introduced and made them to simplify transmutation system for new concept” And why was this change made? Possibly because the previous system wasn’t as efficient as making sales? So that means their intent was to make more money.

You can rage all you want but getting made doesn’t make a good argument.

segman.3560:

You make a statement that making skins usable without charges can make anet a profit. The burden of proof is on you. Until you can prove us your idea works we have to do absolutely nothing with your proofless statement.

anet is a corporation, they have instruments to scout the market and check their best solutions. I am almost sure they’ve explored your point of view long before creating the wardrobe or releasing GW2.

So…

You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Toodles.

3rd toodles from you. Are you going to keep leaving and coming back?

And if that were true, why was the gem store not this way in the first place? Why do you think the gem store changed? Why do you think the way skins and outfits were implemented was changed?

Why does that not mean more changes cannot be made?

That debunks that statement right there. If your statement was correct, then there would have been no need to change the store from day 1 implementation because it would have been fine right?

segman.3560:

Its clear you didnt read my argument or TOS either. You have no rights in ToS. In ANY GAME. Your account is the SOLE IP of Anet currently. They can ban you at any time for an reason and not tell you why.
Will they? Hopefully not, but they have every power to do so. You are guarded by NOTHING.
Also…. 2 pages of “you can use xmog stones” isn’t an argument when i already countered that with the fact it’s still a gate.
You can toodles all you want. but until you bring a counter argument you have done nothing but repeat a debunked statement.

It’s obvious you’re totally spoiled with your entitlement. We can’t help you here.

You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Just because you can’t accept the argument it doesn’t make you right.
You THINK you countered anything here yet other posters are still proving you wrong with the same arguments I’m doing.

Vote with your wallet.

I hope this thread will be closed before it becomes more agressive.

Toodles.

Whoa dude. That’s your second toodles. Did i strike a nerve? Was it because i had a point and you didn’t? the only one getting angry here seems to be you.

Also i’m still waiting for the “proof”. How do you prove my opinion wrong? lordkrall had a good counter argument, but you however just seem to spout the same crap over and over while raging in an online thread. I beg of you to please think critically.

As for being aggressive, there no insults here, no name calling, no rudeness, just a clash of opinions. If this is “aggressive” to you, maybe you need to stop projecting your problems here, and go see a friend, maybe calm down. Not sure why you are so angry.

lordkrall.7241:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I never said it was confusing at all. I UNDERSTAND the system. I am not new to mmo’s in game and out of game stores, or any of this. I stated that if they removed the gate they might get better sales. And how can i look at something in the “wrong opinion”? Opinions aren’t right or wrong, that’s why they are opinions. My viewpoint can be wrong however.

But will it be enough more sales to cover the income that they get with the current system?
That is rather unlikely.

I brought this up, but i have no mathematical evidence to say one way or the other. Only anet would know, and i doubt they would share that info with its playerbase.

Its possible that they make more money from xmog stones, but that means against part of the original debate started by someone stated he heard a lot of players saying atnet was “greedy” could be true. Idk anything about rumors or greed or any of that yet, not has it affected me yet.

I just simply wondered why they haven’t done that yet, under the assumption it would also increase sales. So far you are only the second person to come up with a counter argument, which would be they make more money this way. And i don’t know the answer to that. But if they did, then in my yes whats win/loss.

But my opinion is the other side too, what if this change would grant them more money? Then people could use their skins at any level. Without any gating. At any time. If my case were true, it would be win/win right?

I guess that would be the deciding factor which would be the monetary aspect primarily which none of us here have access to

coglin.1867:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

Why only the 1st time?

Do you buy a toy from the store, only use it once, then go back to pay to use it again?

That logic makes no sense.

You don’t need anything. It is all purely cosmetic. Your looking at it all wrong in opinion. Personally, I feel transmutation stones (at least get the name right) come so easily, that I ha e never had to buy them. The system doesn’t make sense to you, simply because you refuse to accept it. You have to use a consumable so e to transmute skins. What is so confusing about that?

I never said it was confusing at all. I UNDERSTAND the system. I am not new to mmo’s in game and out of game stores, or any of this. I stated that if they removed the gate they might get better sales. And how can i look at something in the “wrong opinion”? Opinions aren’t right or wrong, that’s why they are opinions. My viewpoint can be wrong however.

segman.3560:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

YOu bought the skin, used it and have your skin on your armor. End of transaction.

Want to use it another time – you can do it with trans charge.

Whether you accept it or not it’s how it works. And yes, you sound very entitled. As you stated – it’s a virtual world. You don’t own anything here. Neither your account nor any skin in gem store even if you buy it.

I can also speak up about it. Just because that’s the way it is, doesn’t mean its ok, or the best way.

You’re right, we don’t own anything here. So what if anet just banned your account for no reason. Would you complain? Yeah, you’d try to get your account back. You would feel entitled to your account right? I mean if not, say it right now, because then you’re just talking our your behind. You downloaded the game(which is what you paid for) but the account is sole property of anet, just like every other game as stated in the TOS. But would that make it right? No.

Make a counter argument, not a blanket statement.

You already have 2 pages of arguments, you just don’t want to agree with them. It’s your choice. And you’re becoming very hostile with your posts and I’m going to report last two of them.

So about taking over my account or anything – I am guarded by ToS so until I do sth against it I feel pretty sure my account is safe.

However – do you see anywhere in ToS your right to use anything from gem store without limitations?

I’m going to repeat this every time because you’re ignoring those arguments:
You buy the skin, you apply the skin to your armor – end of transaction.
This is how this system works, you can accept it or leave the game.
There’s NOTHING in ToS giving you any entitlement on cosmetics.
It is ONLY your CHOICE to use/buy them.

Toodles

Its clear you didnt read my argument or TOS either. You have no rights in ToS. In ANY GAME. Your account is the SOLE IP of Anet currently. They can ban you at any time for an reason and not tell you why.

Will they? Hopefully not, but they have every power to do so. You are guarded by NOTHING other than the hope of good morals and ethics by anet.

Also…. 2 pages of “you can use xmog stones” isn’t an argument when i already countered that with the fact it’s still a gate.

You can toodles all you want. but until you bring a counter argument you have done nothing but repeat a debunked statement.

segman.3560:

YOu bought the skin, used it and have your skin on your armor. End of transaction.

Want to use it another time – you can do it with trans charge.

Whether you accept it or not it’s how it works. And yes, you sound very entitled. As you stated – it’s a virtual world. You don’t own anything here. Neither your account nor any skin in gem store even if you buy it.

I can also speak up about it. Just because that’s the way it is, doesn’t mean its ok, or the best way.

You’re right, we don’t own anything here. So what if anet just banned your account for no reason. Would you complain? Yeah, you’d try to get your account back. You would feel entitled to your account right? I mean if not, say it right now, because then you’re just talking our your behind. You downloaded the game(which is what you paid for) but the account is sole property of anet, just like every other game as stated in the TOS. But would that make it right? No.

Make a counter argument, not a blanket statement.

segman.3560:

Wrong analogy.

You have two dolls. You buy a dress for one doll and want the second doll to have the same dress. You need to buy the same dress again.

When you buy a car and want to change it’s colour you need to pay for respray.

GW2 system works better because it stores your historically gathered skins in the wardrobe and allows you to use a skin again with transmutation charge. So it is even better because you don’t need second skin, you only need to photocopy it for your second doll.

Sorry but it’s your logic that makes your sense. What I can see is you feeling entitled but as I can see in this thread a majority doesn’t agree with you.

Yeah you’re right. I used the wrong analogy. And so did you. It was EOD at work so i’m a little off.

Ni ether of these analogies really work seeing as these a virtual items. There is no physical materials needs to make these. you could try and count code, but even then that’s still doesn’t fit either analogy.

To recolor a car you need physical paint. Physical paint requires materials from the paint from other vendors aka real money cost. Reusing a skin doesn’t require anything(except in this case a virtual item). I am exchange PHYSICAL money, for virtual items, i dont want to have my virtual items, gated by another virtual item(that is also conveniently available for purchase).

It doesnt take anyone to remake the code that puts the costume on the next piece. Its already there. You already payed for it.

It DOES require more physical materials to make a second dress for the doll in your analogy.

Also, its Argumentum ad populum to assume that just because the majority agrees, that that conclusion is correct. and …entitled? Really? You don’t feel entitled to what you paid for?

Man, i used to think people were smart, but its no wonder this generation of gamers is easy to wrap up in p2p and p2w games because they think stuff like that’s ok. People are ok with getting ripped off. Now, this isn’t anywhere near as bad as other games, but the theory is still all the same.

Metasynaptic.1093:

Transmute charges are easy to farm and are not a significant barrier to customisation. As said previously, farm spvp, clear maps, login daily and you will have plenty

That’s fine, as i stated before, i understand they may be “easier to obtain”. But easier when? When i am higher level? So i have to wait? And Farm? So now i have to farm and wait and grind to use the virtual item i just paid PHYSICAL currency for, when i want.

Thats a pretty big barrier. Also you still agreed that it’s a barrier, which was my point. What if i want to wear something from lvl1? I can’t really unless i PAY for more charges.

Should all items work this way? Idk maybe, maybe not. But at least stuff i buy from the store with real $ shouldn’t.

segman.3560:

When you buy a skin you can use it first time for free on a desired item.
Every next use costs you a charge.

I don’t why it should be different because these are different services.

Why only the 1st time?

Do you buy a toy from the store, only use it once, then go back to pay to use it again?

That logic makes no sense.

Tiger Ashante.1792:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

I could understand your argument if the grind was indeed connected to the power level of your gear. However we’re talking about cosmetics. So it is only your choice to aim for cosmetics. Whether it comes from achievements or cash shop it’ll always be some kind of grind.

Now you have a choice:
more time grind – less or no cash spend for a skin
less or no grind – more cash spend for a skin

Looks fair to me. It is only up to you if you go for cosmetics and how are you going to pay for them – with your time/gold or with your cash. You don’t need those skins, you want them. When I want something, I go to work, I get paid and I buy what I want.

The argument is that if i pay 140$ for something, i want to use it when i want, not gated by xmog stones. It doesn’t matter that you can earn them, or buy more of them, if i drop real $ into the skin, i don’t want to have to earn something else to effectively use it more than once. I want to use it, how i want, when i want, NSA.

Unfortunately there are strings, whether people are ok with those or not is an irrelevant point

So they added the wardrobe system, made the skins account based, so you only ever had to by 1, which upon use gets unlocked in your wardrobe for all your characters and u can play with it as much as you want. To offset the income loss they introduced trans charges and in my eyes, the way the system is now, is awesome, cheap and very fair. You have to understand that Anet’s only income is from the gem store (and the cheap box price of the game ofc) and unlike in many other f2p or b2p games, you’re not gated form any content. I’ve seen many people on this very forum accuse Anet of greed, but I’ve never felt that way about them, not in gw1 and not in gw2 either. Put it this way, I’ve played many other games incl. sub games that are waaaay greedier than you can ever accuse Anet of.

Now i understand what you’re saying, pay once use forever, but what does that say then of a company with a sub game that requires you to pay every month just to play their game and have a cash shop to boot?

I have one problem with your argument a bit. Thanks for all the info however i have to politely disagree.(i actually just bought an outfit since i am leveling 3 characters at the same time).

I dont mind getting xmog stones
I dont mind buying items.

But needing xmog stones for skins to change everytime means that it is dependent on those stones yes? How easily i can get them or not(paying) doesn’t matter, the $ i just spent is now gated by those stones. In this way, that makes anet greedier than if they just did away with xmog stones altogether.

What harm is that going to do?

They might lose some sales on stones, but if they weren’t required, i would be open to buying a lot more skins because i could change them at will. Skins make more money that stones, so that would be an increase in sales right?

Also, just because other games are worse, isn’t a reason for something that’s slightly better to be ok. That’s like saying you’ll let a robber go because he only stabbed you, instead of shooting you. He still did harm to you(that’s a logical fallacy).

Im open for thoughts on this, as this is just how i feel, but logically speaking i feel they would make more money by just removing stones all together.

this is of course absent any mathematical evidence on how much $ they actually make on skins vs stones etc

Draknar.5748:

Tao.5096:

I knew it.
I always knew it.
I always said it.
Gw2 is p2w.

What’s the context here? Are you one of those people that honestly believes getting a cosmetic item is “winning”? I could never get one of you guys to answer the question, “win what?” GW2? Like that dreamthistle skin somehow lets you complete FoTM50 or dominate everyone in PvP?

I’ll save time by telling you there is no good answer to what it is they are paying to win without sounding ridiculous.

I’m not that guy, and i don’t believe its p2w, i just think things could be done better slgihtly, but nobody’s perfect, and everyones out to make money. I just feel certain aspects would have me more likely to spend money if they were implemented. that’s my opinion.

It is nice however that these forums are full of active people with varying opinions. forums in some other games feel dead

segman.3560:

I could understand your argument if the grind was indeed connected to the power level of your gear. However we’re talking about cosmetics. So it is only your choice to aim for cosmetics. Whether it comes from achievements or cash shop it’ll always be some kind of grind.

Now you have a choice:
more time grind – less or no cash spend for a skin
less or no grind – more cash spend for a skin

Looks fair to me. It is only up to you if you go for cosmetics and how are you going to pay for them – with your time/gold or with your cash. You don’t need those skins, you want them. When I want something, I go to work, I get paid and I buy what I want.

The argument is that if i pay 140$ for something, i want to use it when i want, not gated by xmog stones. It doesn’t matter that you can earn them, or buy more of them, if i drop real $ into the skin, i don’t want to have to earn something else to effectively use it more than once. I want to use it, how i want, when i want, NSA.

Unfortunately there are strings, whether people are ok with those or not is an irrelevant point

nGumball.1283:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

segman.3560:

I find the GW2 gem store to be extremely fair in comparison to other in-game shops.

First of all, armor skins. You claim that you have to pay for using the skin you bought. This is false statement because the first time you can use it for free because you get the skin physicaly into your inventory. If you want to use it more than once – use charges. Imagine when you would need to buy it again if you wanted to use the skin on another armor.

Now about the charges. They’re extremely easy to get but because you’re new to the game you don’t know every way to get shinies without swinging your credic card yet. Don’t worry, you’ll get it as I did it. I remember the time when having 100g was impossible for me and now I have 17 character slots, all bought with gold to gem conversion.

You say you want to use cosmetics for leveling. This is why they created outfits and I admit they are very good solution for leveling characters.

I hope you will be patient and give yourself some time to learn the game and ways to earn both gold and cosmetics you want.

P.S. All I said above is of course a matter of perspective. That’s my opinion and you don’t need to agree with me.

I am a little bit more informed about this now however for some people its still easier to swing a credit card than spend the time farming. For a lot of people, or those who spend money on stuff like this, its a time vs money formula where i have to decide if i want to spend the time farming the gold to buy said item, or if it would be more worthwile to just pay for it straight up.

This was why WoW introduced buying lvl 90’s in WoD, because for a lot of people they hated the leveling grind.

I mean I am sure i can go farm gold, to buy the stuff i want when I am 80, but how long will it take me? Will i enjoy the grind? If not, or it takes to long, it may be more efficient for me to just drop $ on what i want, and enjoy the other parts of the game etc.

Any insight on to gold accumulation in the game once you hit fresh 80?

Draknar.5748:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I did see a dreamthistle greatsword skin on the AH though.. it was 1kg, and by gem prices thats 140$ O.o.

That’s because the dreamthistle weapon set is one of the absolute best looking in the game, and looks great on sylvari. I’m just happy I got my GS for 100g when it was first released during LS Season 1. It’s hands down one of my favorites. All of the dreamthistle weapons look great though.

Yeah they did. I was looking for skins for my “endgame goals” to earn and that’s one of them. Looks like its going to be a journey lol. But it’s one of those thing’s i think might be worth if once i get there.

Also i am hearing of “season items”. are these items for events? or just available once a year etc?

If you are experienced in the game and know how to farm effeciently while putting time into it, aka. hard-farming. You can get up to 50 gold daily. When I personally wanted to buy a sword skin that costed ~500 gold, I kinda farmed everyday. 4-5 hours everyday and I got approx 30 gold.

That means you can get 1k gold in 20 days but that needs some dedication and time. Nothing compared to farming in other games though. When I played WoW, years ago, I was young and I had enough time to put into the game. Sometimes, I farmed hours and hours everyday for weeks to get a single high-end gear set.

Yeah i mean i COULD put that time in, but if i were to assign it a value.. lets say my hourly wage which is around 25$ an hour, that means at my wage its only 6 hours of work. So a days pay. The amount of time i would have to spend farming by your calculation would be….80hrs of farming at 4hrs per day, which at my current wage would be $2000. So if i were to spend that time i wasted farming, i netted myself a loss of $1860.

NOW if i actually enjoy the grind, then thats separate altogether, but if it turns out i dont like the grind, it would be worth my money to spend it on gem exchange, sadly.

I feel as if i might just moonlight(since we are allowed) or pickup a couple small jobs to pay for stuff if i really wanted it.

While i have time to play this maybe 1-2hrs a day, i don’t think i have THAT much time unfortunately, as you said. As you get older, other things take more precedence

As much as i would love to get that skin, however that doesn’t mean that paying for it is a “wise purchase” either.

Iason Evan.3806:

Why outfits don’t come in “pieces” like armor baffles me from a consumer standpoint.

Gem Shop armors and weapons should be free to transmute as many times as you want after purchasing. I understand them wanting to make more money, but I would be more apt to buy more gem shop skins if they were a one time purchase as opposed to one time purchase + trans stones.

I think this was more at what i was trying to get at originally, but i mean there’s not a whole lot i can do about it

segman.3560:

I find the GW2 gem store to be extremely fair in comparison to other in-game shops.

First of all, armor skins. You claim that you have to pay for using the skin you bought. This is false statement because the first time you can use it for free because you get the skin physicaly into your inventory. If you want to use it more than once – use charges. Imagine when you would need to buy it again if you wanted to use the skin on another armor.

Now about the charges. They’re extremely easy to get but because you’re new to the game you don’t know every way to get shinies without swinging your credic card yet. Don’t worry, you’ll get it as I did it. I remember the time when having 100g was impossible for me and now I have 17 character slots, all bought with gold to gem conversion.

You say you want to use cosmetics for leveling. This is why they created outfits and I admit they are very good solution for leveling characters.

I hope you will be patient and give yourself some time to learn the game and ways to earn both gold and cosmetics you want.

P.S. All I said above is of course a matter of perspective. That’s my opinion and you don’t need to agree with me.

I am a little bit more informed about this now however for some people its still easier to swing a credit card than spend the time farming. For a lot of people, or those who spend money on stuff like this, its a time vs money formula where i have to decide if i want to spend the time farming the gold to buy said item, or if it would be more worthwile to just pay for it straight up.

This was why WoW introduced buying lvl 90’s in WoD, because for a lot of people they hated the leveling grind.

I mean I am sure i can go farm gold, to buy the stuff i want when I am 80, but how long will it take me? Will i enjoy the grind? If not, or it takes to long, it may be more efficient for me to just drop $ on what i want, and enjoy the other parts of the game etc.

Any insight on to gold accumulation in the game once you hit fresh 80?

Draknar.5748:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I did see a dreamthistle greatsword skin on the AH though.. it was 1kg, and by gem prices thats 140$ O.o.

That’s because the dreamthistle weapon set is one of the absolute best looking in the game, and looks great on sylvari. I’m just happy I got my GS for 100g when it was first released during LS Season 1. It’s hands down one of my favorites. All of the dreamthistle weapons look great though.

Yeah they did. I was looking for skins for my “endgame goals” to earn and that’s one of them. Looks like its going to be a journey lol. But it’s one of those thing’s i think might be worth if once i get there.

Also i am hearing of “season items”. are these items for events? or just available once a year etc?

rapthorne.7345:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

khani.4786:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

khani.4786:

Outfits have 4 dye channels and once you buy one it’s unlocked for your account forever. Free to apply and change whenever. They’re great for leveling.

My personal favorites are the chef’s outfit on sylvari and the pirate outfit.

that’s cool! What do you mean buy them? I have earned a bunch of dyes from black lion boxes and ones guildmembers gave me. Do i need to buy outfit dyes from the gem store? from an in game store?

Yes, most outfits are gem store items. Some like the Hex outfit we could buy with candy corn cobs during Halloween. But it’s a one time purchase and I think it’s quite worth the cost to get at least one. I don’t know of any others that were not gem store besides the Hex outfit.

As others have said you can convert in-game gold to gems so you don’t have to use real-world money. I’m at work so I can’t see how much it would cost in gold to buy an outfit. The second tab you see when you press “O” is where you convert gems to gold and gold to gems. There is some tiny text near the bottom for “custom” exchange where you can get the exact amount of gems you want rather than their one size fits all exchange that you first see.

The outfits seem like 10$(which is the same for LoL skins, so I am ok with that) so I am definitely going to get one

I did see a dreamthistle greatsword skin on the AH though.. it was 1kg, and by gem prices thats 140$ O.o.

I mean i’m all for supporting the game but holy geez. Idk about that one.

Some skins are from older content, or take a large number of black lion tickets, which means their prices are higher. Every game has their rare/limited edition items which are expensive on the gold market.

It’s a wise idea to not compare the gold price of something to the potential gem price (converting gems to gold is a very bad way to get money unless you have a very high credit card limit)

I mean like…that skin is pretty BAMF. Not gunna lai. Is there a better way to pay for gold in a way that won’t jeopardize my account, or credit card? I only looked at it that was as it was an in game system that was legitimate.

If there’s a better way, maybe i’ll be for it, maybe i will just have to farm and hope it stays there?

khani.4786:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

khani.4786:

Outfits have 4 dye channels and once you buy one it’s unlocked for your account forever. Free to apply and change whenever. They’re great for leveling.

My personal favorites are the chef’s outfit on sylvari and the pirate outfit.

that’s cool! What do you mean buy them? I have earned a bunch of dyes from black lion boxes and ones guildmembers gave me. Do i need to buy outfit dyes from the gem store? from an in game store?

Yes, most outfits are gem store items. Some like the Hex outfit we could buy with candy corn cobs during Halloween. But it’s a one time purchase and I think it’s quite worth the cost to get at least one. I don’t know of any others that were not gem store besides the Hex outfit.

As others have said you can convert in-game gold to gems so you don’t have to use real-world money. I’m at work so I can’t see how much it would cost in gold to buy an outfit. The second tab you see when you press “O” is where you convert gems to gold and gold to gems. There is some tiny text near the bottom for “custom” exchange where you can get the exact amount of gems you want rather than their one size fits all exchange that you first see.

The outfits seem like 10$(which is the same for LoL skins, so I am ok with that) so I am definitely going to get one

I did see a dreamthistle greatsword skin on the AH though.. it was 1kg, and by gem prices thats 140$ O.o.

I mean i’m all for supporting the game but holy geez. Idk about that one.

khani.4786:

Outfits have 4 dye channels and once you buy one it’s unlocked for your account forever. Free to apply and change whenever. They’re great for leveling.

My personal favorites are the chef’s outfit on sylvari and the pirate outfit.

that’s cool! What do you mean buy them? I have earned a bunch of dyes from black lion boxes and ones guildmembers gave me. Do i need to buy outfit dyes from the gem store? from an in game store?

DeanBB.4268:

Yes, armor is individual pieces – chest, boot, helm – and outfits are one piece. Think of it as wearing a dress that goes over the armor you are wearing. The armor is still there, but hidden beneath the dress.

You can pick and choose which armor pieces you use.

Armor can also be dyed to change appearance.

And like you said, not much point in spending transmutation charges prior to getting to level 80 and having some gear that you’ll use for a while. Otherwise, it gets swapped out too often for better stuff you find along the way.

Well i actually liked the “assassin” outfit i saw in the store, with the katana weapon. Thought it was a nice theme. I know that someone also changed the color of her outfit to red too i think. Are outfits colorable too?

Are they account bound though? I like the leveling experience a bit here, and am leveling multiple characters(although i do have a main that’s leveling somewhat fast), so if i can wear my assassin outfit on all my characters as I am leveling, i would definitely buy it

Melanie.1240:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

nGumball.1283:

I will explain it for you, cosmetic changes can be done in two different ways:

1. Using skins
2. Using outfits

Skins: Skins are simliar to ’’colors’’. If you want to color a wall, you need a brush. That brush is represented by transmutation charges. You can get these charges through exploration, dailies and events. In general, they are easy to get and you won’t find a huge issue collecting them. When you have a transmutation charge and a skin, there is nothing preventing you from using it on stuff that you already own. Unless, you are using a weapon skin on an armor, then you are a bit… clueless. Also, skins can only be used on armor with the same weight. Many of them at least. Example: heavy armor skin = used on heavy armor. The system is there to make people with different armor-types look different.

Outfits: These work in the exact same way as other MMORPGs. You buy an outfit and you use it whenever you want.

Conclusion: Outfits are cosmetics that you use to wear on your armor while skins are used to change the look of your armor keeping the stats.

This is good info, thanks. So outfits, don’t offer stats at all? I am looking for stuff i can wear while leveling, so if it forces me to be naked or statless, i don’t think that will work for me. Maybe i understood that wrong? Not sure.

Outfits work like outfits/costumes you could buy in the cash shop in most other MMO’s. If you wear them to go into their own special slot (outfit slot) and it replaces the look of your armor, but you will still be wearing your armor stats (you can see it in the equipment tab). You can freely swap armor, the outfit is not tied to any armor. When you take for example the chest piece of your armor off, you will still see your character wearing the outfit chest piece.

Skins are placed on the equipment itself, replacing the old skin of the armor piece. When you take the chest piece (for example) off, you will end up without shirt/in a bra.

I think i understand, skins are the ones designated for like specific light/medium/heavy armors.

from what you have told me here, it sounds like outfits are like 1size fits all ONE piece “outfits”.

It sounds like with skins, you could mix and match them to create wacky stuff since it is tied to “per piece, per armor type”. Is this about right? thanks!

mtpelion.4562:

Outfits only replace the visual of your armor. You still have to equip armor to get the stats for combat (it is “hidden” while under the effect of an outfit).

Unfortunately, there are very few outfits and they are not customizable.

Basically, save your transmutation charges for level 80, because using them on sub 80 characters is a waste.

Upside, it only takes a week or so to hit 80 if you focus on leveling.

Yeah I am going to go through the storylines for Norn and Humans full and explore a bit first, then i think i will speedlevel a thief, so i wanted something to stick around.

Last question, how much of these are account bound? Are outfits and skins account bound?

Olvendred.3027:

Outfits have their own special slot, and their own special tab in your wardrobe. When you equip an outfit, it takes over the whole appearance of your gear. You won’t be able to see any of your armour pieces, but they will still be there applying their stats. The outfit is purely cosmetic. The benefit of outfits is that you can equip them forever without using transmutation charges. The downside is that they offer much fewer options in terms of customizing your look. For these reasons, a lot of people use them while levelling, since you replace your armour quite often.

Skins are applied directly to your armour. Using a transmutation charge, you can change what each piece of your armour looks like. The piece of armour will stay looking like that until you change it again… but if you get a new piece of armour, that piece will have its own appearance unless you change it. Since you can mix and match whatever armour skins you like, for each piece of armour (in that weight class – light, medium, or heavy), you can make a unique look for yourself if you want to.

Armour is the actual objects you put in your slots. These are what give you your stats and protection.

This answered my mix and match question. thanks a lot!

nGumball.1283:

I will explain it for you, cosmetic changes can be done in two different ways:

1. Using skins
2. Using outfits

Skins: Skins are simliar to ’’colors’’. If you want to color a wall, you need a brush. That brush is represented by transmutation charges. You can get these charges through exploration, dailies and events. In general, they are easy to get and you won’t find a huge issue collecting them. When you have a transmutation charge and a skin, there is nothing preventing you from using it on stuff that you already own. Unless, you are using a weapon skin on an armor, then you are a bit… clueless. Also, skins can only be used on armor with the same weight. Many of them at least. Example: heavy armor skin = used on heavy armor. The system is there to make people with different armor-types look different.

Outfits: These work in the exact same way as other MMORPGs. You buy an outfit and you use it whenever you want.

Conclusion: Outfits are cosmetics that you use to wear on your armor while skins are used to change the look of your armor keeping the stats.

This is good info, thanks. So outfits, don’t offer stats at all? I am looking for stuff i can wear while leveling, so if it forces me to be naked or statless, i don’t think that will work for me. Maybe i understood that wrong? Not sure.

jokke.6239:

I’m no coding expert, but realistcally it can’t be that hard to create a “costume slot” of some sort, or a more permanent way to apply cosmetic gear at any level, across characters. Most other games offer this, why not gw2?

Guild Wars 2 does offer this, it’s called “outfits”

I may have been misinformed, can you explain those to me? Everything i have tried reading or answers i have received in game has told me otherwise. I’d love to hear that i am wrong, believe me. thanks for any info you might have!

nGumball.1283:

You simply don’t understand the system.

Nice blanket statement. care to explain?

Milennin.4825:

Only bank slots, and potentially some inventory slots may be worth buying. If you want Transmutation Stones, just 100% explore some areas to get them.

This still doesn’t solve the problem that, I, am able to purchase cosmetic skins useable at any level. If i want to use it while leveling, i will either
1) have to waste enormous amounts of time collecting xmog charges
2) Wait till i’m 80(which means the value of the merchandise is diminished)
3)Pay for more gems to buy xmog stones(not sure if this is an option, but i don’t doubt it would be)

I’ll agree i am new to gw2. I just started this game a week ago but I am not new to these types of games. I have played many mmo’s with Subs, and with “purchaseable” items, both with in game value, or purely cosmetic.

I have no problem supporting a game i like, HOWEVER….

When i looked into gw2’s store i was surprised. I saw so much that i would actually spend money on. But then i learned how it worked.

I learned that cosmetic changes were gated by xmog stones. I learned that its really difficult to wear cosmetic gear at lower levels.. Something i payed $$$ for is only usable in certain situations, gated by OTHER items that i have to have in order to use them more than once.

I’m no coding expert, but realistcally it can’t be that hard to create a “costume slot” of some sort, or a more permanent way to apply cosmetic gear at any level, across characters. Most other games offer this, why not gw2?

I feel simply because of this, i don’t want to drop any $$$ now. If they actually made it more accessible and useable, i could see myself spending… a good sum of money.

Anyone else’s thoughts? I know there’s a new expansion but i doubt they will have fixed that problem by then.