Guild Wars 2

Mescaline.2743:

Wall of text inc.
I came back to gw2 in January after months of non playing.
I originally left the game long time ago because i flushed lots of golds into the mystic forge ( i know, my fault ).
Anyways this time i was just enjoying my play time, and i have to say i feel like the game has improved a lot.
15 days ago i got spark from forge by just putting 4 random rare daggers i drop from world bosses into it.
It was a good feeling, after all the gold wasted i felt like the game was finally rewarding me.
Feeling lucky i decided to invest 400 golds in greatswords ( always wanted Twilight ) and magically i come back with a Dusk and a Dawn drop.
With the help of my girlfriend i decided to forge Eternity so i could unlock Twilight and Sunrise skins, sell Eternity to get some money back and craft an ascendent greatsword that has the same stats as a Legendary weapon.
One week ago we checked the market and noticed Eternity price almost never drop down 4k golds.
The highest selling price was 4198 golds so we decided to put it at 4k sure we would sell it sooner or later.
Worst decision ever.
The price got undercut in minutes and it went lower and lower the days after.
We never had really the chance to sell it and i feel like i will never do , there are 7 more Eternity cheaper than mine at moment.
Since now i’m down to 60 gold i can’t even cancel it and lower the price ( i would lose 200 gold anyways )
Maybe is because of news about new legendaries and new precursors crafting coming with expansion but i feel like i will never sell it at that price.
Now my game experience is ruined because i don’t want to log in anymore and if i do i always look at the trading post praying to sell that piece of pixels, i have again that bad feeling you have when you waste lots of gold in the mystic forge.
It was my own decision and i blame myself, i don’t blame the game or arena net, i just feel sorry for my girlfriend, since she invested a lot in it to give me the motivation to play this game with her again.
Sorry if i felt the need to vent my frustration.
At least i can give you guys a little advice, if you plan to sell an Eternity be very careful, this may be not the best moment to do it.

Please forgive my english.

If you’re going to quit because you didn’t think of the market, thats selfish to your gf.

Also you must realize that undercuts WILL happen. When you sell big items like that, its a waiting game. If you want it to sell, you can’t expect it to sell instantly unless you are willing to take a chunk loss. Auctioning is an investment.

If you’re looking for a quick buck, you need to be prepared to lose a lot of your investment.

As for it “ruining the game” if that one thing ruins the game for you, then you must not have enjoyed the game very much. there’s tons to do, play with your gf or something, or just take a break and only come back to do dailies and other things.

On the other hand there are people like me who wish i could even get 4kg relatively fast to even get such a cool weapon, but when i sell items for 100’s of gold, i know if i need the gold, i need to sell at a cut that someone will buy it at, or i need to wait.

I sold an exotic ring for 70g, undercut it by 1s. 5 people under cut me. It looked like it wasn’t going to sell, but 2 days later, someone bought it. Since the price point is so high, the differences in price are going to be huge for a wait/instant buy so keep that in mind.

It would be better to just let it sit honestly. It will have a better chance of selling that way.

Azhure.1857:

Seera.5916:

Azhure, question for you:

Considering how quick Steam Ogre goes down, how would doing Steam Ogre after Fire Elemental throw a wrench into your train?

ANet: Simple solution would be to have the Steam Ogre’s timer reset to doable when the Fire Elemental is killed. The rewards are already labeled as not so great, so it shouldn’t even be a huge issue if someone does it before and after Fire Elemental. That should satisfy both groups without requiring a huge amount of code.

I’ve already answered this question but I’ll answer it again because you’re being respectful about it. (Thank you for that, btw)

Our WBT is not confined to the bosses only found along the world boss schedule that ArenaNet created. You know the one that has a World Boss about every 15 minutes? With some bosses overlapping – like Karka. However there are many world bosses like Foulbear, Dredge, Fire Shaman, Rhend, Eye, Arah, Balthazar, Lyssa, Dwayna, Melandru, and Grenth.

In conjunction with another full guild we scout working IP addresses (looking at you Dredge and you FB!) and then act as anchors for our train, our people. It takes work to balance some events between others. While we’re pulling people into an FE map we already have other people scouting other available events/bosses. There are many times when a Temple priest/chest event is called out and burning quickly. In cases like that we have to act quickly. If we don’t do Ogre beforehand, many times we don’t stay after FE to do it because of the normal rush to run elsewhere. Please remember that we’re 30+ people every night. The process of waypointing and using taxis can eat up a lot of time… sometimes we don’t get everyone in on time.

Some of you can’t imagine what we do and how quickly we move around from map to map. Some of you don’t understand. That’s okay. But its been like this for a long time for us. While our train has mutated a little bit with the introduction of Megaservers and the World Boss Schedule — our guild runs the same WBT that IoJ was known for every night. If any of you ever joined us for IoJ’s WBT – you know how long we’ve been doing this.

What guild is this, what server and how do i join

Astral Projections.7320:

Not insults but…

“Who wants a product that gives you harpies?”
&
NPC1 – Do you think it is safe to have a shooting range so close to a tavern.
NPC2 – Sure, we only had one casualty in the last week.
&
“Look, I TOLD you I’m sorry; I didn’t MEAN to set your mother on fire!”
&
Char soldiers at Moorwatch Tower:
“Do you think cows migrate?”
“What?”
“You know, like birds.”
“Don’t be stupid. There’s no such thing as flying cows!”
“Maybe it was an exotic cow. From someplace far away.”
“Get it through you thick skull, there’s no such thing as flying cows!”
“Hey you hear that? I thought I heard a ‘Moo’ just now.”
“What?! Where?! Incoming!”
“Hahahah! Just kidding.”
“Do that again and I’ll kill you!”
&
Sylvari: Your golem is strange… was strange.
Asura: You drove it away, you know that!? I’ve never seen a golem run that fast.
Sylvari: I just wanted to ask it a few questions.
Asura: Yeah I know. you guys are full of them.
Sylvari: Oh, yes. What’s it like to be a golem? Does it dream? Does it have a family?
Asura: That was the last straw, you know. After that question about turtles in the desert you asked it about its mother.
Sylvari: So?
Asura: It doesn’t have a mother. It’s a golem. you crossed its circuits. I don’t know how you did it, but you weirded out MY golem.
Sylvari: So, you are the mother? Or the father?
Asura: What? Well, I… I guess I .. Oh no. you’re not getting in my head. You just stand there and help me monitor the gate.
Asura (to himself): Am I the mother? Blazing braces, this is what I get for working with the tree children.

You know i gotta hand it to anet, the dialogue is really funny half the time.

Wow’s was… real lackluster at times. I enjoy taking the time to listen and watch what goes on here.

I edited the topic to relfect quotes because insults was too specific

Seera.5916:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

this might be useful in pve, where everything is telegraphed and static, but will be 95% useless in pvp(where people have issues with macros the most) in pvp, there is never 1 static rotation. everything is situational, so having a 1spam macro won’t help you.

Ill give you the pve aspect, and i think ele’s are probably the only class simply due to their large number of skills that actually need to be pressed, but that’s in a level of content that at least i wouldn’t consider skill.

PvP’s rotation wouldn’t be as long, no, but still possible.

I’ve got short fingers. So it’s hard for me to keep moving and swap attunements. And I will hit the wrong attument from time to time. Because I’m human.

I don’t know if you’ve played elementalist, but we’ve got some very easily avoidable attacks. Here’s a rotation:

Staff weapon.

Earth #5 Shockwave. Immobilizes the target for 2 seconds.
Swap to Fire
Fire #2 Lava Front (instant cast so he’s stuck here for probably a good portion of those 2 seconds as well)
Swap to Air
Air #5 Static Field. Stuns for 2 seconds all who try to cross it. This means he’ll either likely get stunned or have to stay on top of the Lava Front for at least a little bit longer.

And during that time, I’ve got some arcane skills that I can activate that have no cast time and can be cast while I’m channeling other skills.

Ele would be the 1 i think would benefit the most due to attunements and having so many skills yeah. I don’t play them, just seen the basics.

Those instant casts or “0 gcd” where would be where it stacks up too.

If anything i’m partially biased because a lot of games allow them and use them and it becomes secondhand nature.

JustTrogdor.7892:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

this might be useful in pve, where everything is telegraphed and static, but will be 95% useless in pvp(where people have issues with macros the most) in pvp, there is never 1 static rotation. everything is situational, so having a 1spam macro won’t help you.

And how much do you know about PvP? It seems like not much since your post yesterday.

dank.3680:

Well you could always level up with spvp.

edgarallanpwn.8739:

How fast is that and when can i start? How is it compared to dungeons? And is it ok if i do nothing but die? LOL

PvP in all games are bound by the same basic constraints. Knowing the skills, knowing what predictable combos are going to come into play, when to use what. Knowing what builds to go after, knowing what builds people use. Knowing how to identify builds, etc etc.

Any number of the million things that are in every pvp setting in every game, ever.

But hey I’m not going to shame you for missing something so blatantly obvious.

Seera.5916:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Seera.5916:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

penelopehannibal.8947:

100% no to Macros of any kind thank you.

With 0% of Macros allowed, everyone is on a level playing field. You can enhance the chance of getting less lag or latency with a better internet or router connection, sure. Or enhance your chance of getting a better FPS with a faster machine, sure. Everyone can do that.

But the minute one macro is allowed, it’d be chaotic. “Why is he allowed such and such yet I can’t use my such and such-a-bot?”

At that point, we wouldn’t be on a level playing field anymore.

If you can’t play to the same extent with the same set of tools as everyone else is given, then perhaps you should try a different game. It’s like me trying to play football/soccer, but justifying using a bionic traction engine leg to boot the ball faster and harder because I’m not as good as David Beckham.

No macros, end of.

Except that… having a bionic leg doesn’t make you have good precision or aim, or even control of the leg. And not everyone would have access to a bionic leg as its expensive.

there are tons of free macro programs out there, if you have a mouse, you can use it. If oyu have gw2, you have internet, and can download the program.

EVERYONE has access to it, and macro’s don’t make you play any better.

Especially here where i see far less skills that have 0 gcd, unlike other games where there are tons of spammable spells with no gcd that actually make macros useful(outside of buffs, which you can literally just use the numpad). 90% of the skills i see have some sort of cast timer, so even then, "macros’ aren’t providing much of an advatage unless you got some specific 0 GCD combos you can list.

I don’t even know that it would be helpful due to the types of spells here, im just speaking theoretically.

ALSO theoretically, using 1 button macros to spam a rotation, is still technically 1 button 1 cast and fits the policy, unless 0 gcd moves are brought into play. Is it good to do that? probably not. You;d be better of learning why your rotation is the way it is, and going with that, but its not really an advantage if everything has cast timers anyways. If you can’t move your finger to another key within 1-3.5s then.. i really don’t know what to say.

Some people don’t like using macros, even if macros are allowed.

This creates an advantage in PvP. Where it’s supposed to be the skill of the players that defines the win. Not the gear. Not the macros.

And in open world or dungeon PvE, those with macros will more successfully be able to do enough damage to get gold or do the event/dungeon faster than those not using macros so they have an advantage there. Anything that hands out rewards at the end, ANet judges balance on. And they can’t balance around macros.

Can you list specific combos that macros would make better that you couldn’t use without a macro?

Otherwise that entire argument is null and void.

The only type of spells that macros ACTUALLY impact, are those with no cast timer. This allows for spells to be cast faster than intended due to the fact multiple spells/ abilities could be casted at the same time.

If it has a cast timer(like 95% of the abilities) then it doesn’t count. Gw2 in game allows for keybinds, any player can just rearrange their spells right next to each other, so key location doesn’t matter either. He wants to spam? Just roll his fingers over werty or fghj or xcv.

I’m open to hearing some, and i don’t know EVERY ability in the game, but you need to provide proof that it actually gives an advantage here

I can’t memorize a rotation of skills to save my life.

I could put in the Elementalist meta rotation in and be able to flawlessly execute it. Whereas if I wasn’t using the macro, I would forever mess up somewhere.

Not all players have the same potential when it comes to skill level in games. Not everyone’s best is at the same level. Macros allow players who are bad at the game beat players who are good at the game. Because macros don’t mess up on the rotation. Even the best player in the world can mess up a rotation, because they are human.

And spamming buttons? Won’t work.

If I’m casting Elemantalist Fire attunement skill #5, meteor shower, and I cast anything else with a timer, it will cancel the meteor shower out.

this might be useful in pve, where everything is telegraphed and static, but will be 95% useless in pvp(where people have issues with macros the most) in pvp, there is never 1 static rotation. everything is situational, so having a 1spam macro won’t help you.

Ill give you the pve aspect, and i think ele’s are probably the only class simply due to their large number of skills that actually need to be pressed, but that’s in a level of content that at least i wouldn’t consider skill.

Seera.5916:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

penelopehannibal.8947:

100% no to Macros of any kind thank you.

With 0% of Macros allowed, everyone is on a level playing field. You can enhance the chance of getting less lag or latency with a better internet or router connection, sure. Or enhance your chance of getting a better FPS with a faster machine, sure. Everyone can do that.

But the minute one macro is allowed, it’d be chaotic. “Why is he allowed such and such yet I can’t use my such and such-a-bot?”

At that point, we wouldn’t be on a level playing field anymore.

If you can’t play to the same extent with the same set of tools as everyone else is given, then perhaps you should try a different game. It’s like me trying to play football/soccer, but justifying using a bionic traction engine leg to boot the ball faster and harder because I’m not as good as David Beckham.

No macros, end of.

Except that… having a bionic leg doesn’t make you have good precision or aim, or even control of the leg. And not everyone would have access to a bionic leg as its expensive.

there are tons of free macro programs out there, if you have a mouse, you can use it. If oyu have gw2, you have internet, and can download the program.

EVERYONE has access to it, and macro’s don’t make you play any better.

Especially here where i see far less skills that have 0 gcd, unlike other games where there are tons of spammable spells with no gcd that actually make macros useful(outside of buffs, which you can literally just use the numpad). 90% of the skills i see have some sort of cast timer, so even then, "macros’ aren’t providing much of an advatage unless you got some specific 0 GCD combos you can list.

I don’t even know that it would be helpful due to the types of spells here, im just speaking theoretically.

ALSO theoretically, using 1 button macros to spam a rotation, is still technically 1 button 1 cast and fits the policy, unless 0 gcd moves are brought into play. Is it good to do that? probably not. You;d be better of learning why your rotation is the way it is, and going with that, but its not really an advantage if everything has cast timers anyways. If you can’t move your finger to another key within 1-3.5s then.. i really don’t know what to say.

Some people don’t like using macros, even if macros are allowed.

This creates an advantage in PvP. Where it’s supposed to be the skill of the players that defines the win. Not the gear. Not the macros.

And in open world or dungeon PvE, those with macros will more successfully be able to do enough damage to get gold or do the event/dungeon faster than those not using macros so they have an advantage there. Anything that hands out rewards at the end, ANet judges balance on. And they can’t balance around macros.

Can you list specific combos that macros would make better that you couldn’t use without a macro?

Otherwise that entire argument is null and void.

The only type of spells that macros ACTUALLY impact, are those with no cast timer. This allows for spells to be cast faster than intended due to the fact multiple spells/ abilities could be casted at the same time.

If it has a cast timer(like 95% of the abilities) then it doesn’t count. Gw2 in game allows for keybinds, any player can just rearrange their spells right next to each other, so key location doesn’t matter either. He wants to spam? Just roll his fingers over werty or fghj or xcv.

I’m open to hearing some, and i don’t know EVERY ability in the game, but you need to provide proof that it actually gives an advantage here

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Red Queen.7915:

Also, you purposely killing the ogre to spite the OP? Yeah, that is griefing.

Actually, according to the others, this isn’t considered griefing. I’m within my rights to play the game how I want, on my own schedule. Sounds fair to me.

Except you;re doing it with the intention to spite op, and op is doing it to do guild events with other people sociably.

Yours is much more rude and hateful, where op’s is genuine.

penelopehannibal.8947:

100% no to Macros of any kind thank you.

With 0% of Macros allowed, everyone is on a level playing field. You can enhance the chance of getting less lag or latency with a better internet or router connection, sure. Or enhance your chance of getting a better FPS with a faster machine, sure. Everyone can do that.

But the minute one macro is allowed, it’d be chaotic. “Why is he allowed such and such yet I can’t use my such and such-a-bot?”

At that point, we wouldn’t be on a level playing field anymore.

If you can’t play to the same extent with the same set of tools as everyone else is given, then perhaps you should try a different game. It’s like me trying to play football/soccer, but justifying using a bionic traction engine leg to boot the ball faster and harder because I’m not as good as David Beckham.

No macros, end of.

Except that… having a bionic leg doesn’t make you have good precision or aim, or even control of the leg. And not everyone would have access to a bionic leg as its expensive.
The same as macros, except for the access part.

The only part of a macroable content that gives people advantages is in intensive games where it can actually be used(like wow), where more mouse buttons actually gives you a speed advantage, and where half the skills have no gcd, so they can actually be chained.

there are tons of free macro programs out there, if you have a mouse, you can use it. If you have gw2, you have internet, and can download the program.

EVERYONE has access to it, and macro’s don’t make you play any better. Plenty of people use macros in other games, and still do plenty poorly,y because they don’t understand the game at all. At the same time there’s people in games that allow macros, stomping those that do, in a game that macros actually matter.
Here is less so.

Especially here where i see far less skills that have 0 gcd, unlike other games where there are tons of spammable spells with no gcd that actually make macros useful(outside of buffs, which you can literally just use the numpad). 90% of the skills i see have some sort of cast timer, so even then, "macros’ aren’t providing much of an advatage unless you got some specific 0 GCD combos you can list.

I don’t even know that it would be helpful due to the types of spells here, im just speaking theoretically.

ALSO theoretically, using 1 button macros to spam a rotation, is still technically 1 button 1 cast and fits the policy, unless 0 gcd moves are brought into play. Is it good to do that? probably not. You;d be better of learning why your rotation is the way it is, and going with that, but its not really an advantage if everything has cast timers anyways. If you can’t move your finger to another key within 1-3.5s then.. i really don’t know what to say.

Astral Projections.7320:

The Asuran prodigy’s yo momma jokes (are they still in game? I couldn’t find a wiki reference)

Yo mamma’s so dumb, she thought a golemancer was what you get when you ask a golem question.

that’d be funny

Azrael.4960:

Azure Fang.8605:

KngGilgamesh.3481:

You ran from a skrit.

All of my THIS.

If skritt ever became a playable race, I have a vision of WvW. You’re there, running to your next objective, when you see an enemy player running by with every possible speed buff the game can muster. Then, just as you attempt to make chase, a wall of allied skritt players roll by, yelling “You ran from skritt!” and “You lose!”, while one stops, faces you, says “More come, yes?”, then rejoins the skrittpile.

Time to derail the thread with puns

1. The skritt hit the fan for that player.
2. Epic skrittstorm
3. Kicking the skritt out of the player

Back on topic, the dredge in the tunnel fractal has an epic line

“It keeeeens in outrage……the vermin”

This.

From a talking mole rat.

My girls got big skritts

I skrit my pants(instead of crit obv)

You can bind most macros to mice key that comes with your mouse and keyboard software. AS long as you’re not using an automated bot program to spam it(which is obvious), i have never in the history of any game see anyone get banned for that.

Wow even encourages macros with its built in macro editor.

Nike.2631:

“No one is arguing the need for a plan… It’s just that your plan is stupid and won’t work.”

I always start that dungeon off with a smile.

LOL YES, ac always gives me a giggle too.

Idk why but it always cracks me up when Modniir yells : “Come battle me, Two Legs” or whatever he says.

Two legs.

Oh, I’m hurt. I’m defeated. You have slain me with your magic vocabulary!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Azhure.1857:

This is why we will never be granted an option for reporting griefers in this game, there would be far too many people misusing it.

We would only use it for legitimate reasons, like when someone purposely blocks an entire boss event for the map.

And how will you ensure that player hates-his-guts understands what griefing is when someone kills a FGS train boss out of sync?

Champ trains are different than Boss trains. Champs respawn on a frequent basis. Boss trains are slaves to the Boss Spawn timer every 15 minutes on different maps. It’s not like we can wait 20 minutes for the Steam Ogre to respawn while doing a Boss train on a different map. Ergo griefing.

You can wait if you want to. You CHOOSE not to. Its not greifing, its an inconvenience. Maybe when they do it is convenient to them, just as when it was convenient for you.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Dramen Maidria.1034:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Dramen Maidria.1034:

What they are doing isn’t even close to the definition of griefing.

If a team of 10 players purposely does something to prevent an event for the other 90 players on the map, that would be griefing.

Just from your original post you clearly have a dog in this fight which is clouding your judgment. In order for this to qualify as “griefing”, they would need to be doing the event early for the purpose of preventing other people from doing it. I get that you are annoyed you haven’t been able to do it after FE like you are used to, but neither you nor anyone else is being deliberately excluded from the steam ogre. They are calling out in map chat before they open it with enough time for anyone who wants to can join them. It is in no way griefing, and they will never be punished for doing what they are doing. It is not their fault if people want to play like automatons and don’t pay attention to map chat.
edit: quoted wrong post but it doesn’t matter

To respond to the idea that they “call it out early enough”.

Some people WP in a couple of minutes before the FE pops. So if you come into the map in time for the FE, but not early enough to get into the early Steam Ogre pop, then you lose out. That shouldn’t be the case. If a guild wants to purposely ruin the Boss Train simply because they can, then players should be allowed to report them for griefing, and then there should be punishments.

Sure you’re allowed to report, but nothing will happen because its not breaking any rules. And i will laugh as anyone who harasses gets reported and action taken.

segman.3560:

going with your logic, telling other people they’re behaving wrong is an example of your elitism, because you downgrade their point of view and they can feel abused

This would be true if i actually called him bad,but I never said anything to him as the OP states. So there was no elitism “by your logic”.

However if you’re going to be a kitten to my guild, and act like you’re a pro warrior, don’t die to one of the easiest bosses in the game where all you have to to is not get hit by the STUPIDLY OBVIOUS circles on the ground. Especially on a warrior with multiple movement abilities and blocking abilities.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Azhure.1857:

There are those of us that only care for ourselves, those of us that care for a group, and those of us that care for everyone. For better or worse I’m the type that cares for my group above all else.

While selfish implies “self” a group can be selfish and I think the above fits the definition. I have no problem with you being ok with what you are doing, but call a spade a spade. You are doing it for your Guild. You “allowing” other to come along does not change the fact that your actions lock the Event for 20ish minutes.

That’s the thing – I don’t deserve the abusive messages. ….

Do other players deserve to miss either some of the FE event chain OR Steam Ogre? You are basically forcing them to choose (and that is 100% your choice). I’m in no way stating you “deserve” the criticism, but you are going to get it if you continue your current method….it’s pretty simple.
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If you are truly getting verbal abuse, report it and move on.

You “allowing” other to come along does not change the fact that your actions lock the Event for 20ish minutes.
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If this were true, anyone who did an event EVER in the history of this is selfish.

Buttercup.5871:

This all feels like the “I have the right to let the event succeed!” debate all over again, with some slight differences here and there. Yes, the OP can start the event but in doing so, with or without a map warning, will kitten over the majority of the map. He knows it, and his post is a testament to that effect. The way I see it, both he as well as those that are rude to him are in the wrong.

Anet stated openly that failing an event is an allowed outcome; as long as it is reached together it’s a legitimate goal. Flaming those that want to complete the event is, however, not tolerated. It seems to me that in this case though, the goal is not a common goal, just OP and his guildies without the rest of the map. Map chat is a mere gesture of you know from experience it doesn’t reach the majority of players in time.

So OP, you’re allowed. But is it really worth it? You seem to have enough common sense in you to know that the answer is no.

If you;re trying to make a point, don’t try making it with a subjective question.

For the op helping out his guild, it was VERY WORTH it. Maybe not for the other people but its subjective.

Lytalm.5673:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Lytalm.5673:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Lytalm.5673:

OP is kitten. If everyone would follow you at Steam Ogre, FE pre would fail. So this is really selfish to expect that people will do as you say to please your schedule.

LOL WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING

150+ players watch 5 people do the FE pre’s. PLEASE.

This is a different topic.

SO should be done after FE to let the chance for everyone to get it.

If lazy people make you sick, don’t do World Boss. If you hate waiting on a timer, don’t do World Boss. Simple solution.

there’s nothing wrong with lazy people. But the argument that "FE pre’s will fail because OP starts steam ogre during that time, is complete and utter bullkitten

Have you tried it? How can you say that if everyone goes for SO, they will be back in time before the golem gets overwhelmed?

And it’s you that brought the topic of lazy people, so why are you denying it now?

Lytalm.5673:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Lytalm.5673:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Lytalm.5673:

OP is kitten. If everyone would follow you at Steam Ogre, FE pre would fail. So this is really selfish to expect that people will do as you say to please your schedule.

LOL WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING

150+ players watch 5 people do the FE pre’s. PLEASE.

This is a different topic.

SO should be done after FE to let the chance for everyone to get it.

If lazy people make you sick, don’t do World Boss. If you hate waiting on a timer, don’t do World Boss. Simple solution.

there’s nothing wrong with lazy people. But the argument that "FE pre’s will fail because OP starts steam ogre during that time, is complete and utter bullkitten

Have you tried it? How can you say that if everyone goes for SO, they will be back in time before the golem gets overwhelmed?

And it’s you that brought the topic of lazy people, so why are you denying it now?

If everyone at the flame elemental can’t down the steam ogre in 1m during the whole 13m you get to do the FE pre’s then just wow, what were people doing, afking?. IF it takes longer than that do it, that means that the majority of the players were from the two guilds doing the steam ogre, and that if anyone would be inconvenienced it would be the two guilds providing steam ogre.

Op did not clarify what 3m pre meant, 3m left in pre’s or 3 minutes before pre’s start.

Either way it does not take very long at all to down steam ogre at all.

If you can’t invest the time, you don’t deserve the bag

You’re the one trying to make an argument out of nothing. People want to whine about everything

Lytalm.5673:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Lytalm.5673:

OP is kitten. If everyone would follow you at Steam Ogre, FE pre would fail. So this is really selfish to expect that people will do as you say to please your schedule.

LOL WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING

150+ players watch 5 people do the FE pre’s. PLEASE.

This is a different topic.

SO should be done after FE to let the chance for everyone to get it.

If lazy people make you sick, don’t do World Boss. If you hate waiting on a timer, don’t do World Boss. Simple solution.

there’s nothing wrong with lazy people. But the argument that "FE pre’s will fail because OP starts steam ogre during that time, is complete and utter bullkitten

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

Dramen Maidria.1034:

Ignore that hate man, 99% of the people at FE will sit there for 10 minutes or more, waiting for everyone else to do the pre event. They don’t bother getting a key on their own so they don’t really have any right to complain that there is a smaller group also present who has a slightly different schedule they are working on.
This is nothing like killing a champ train boss out of order deliberately, you aren’t doing this for the sole purpose of annoying people. The bottom line is, almost everyone who is going to do FE is already there when you guys are popping ogre, if they chose to AFK in the FE room then its their own fault for missing out. Just report the vulgar ones and move along. The part I find amusing is they are clearly already just standing around waiting for FE, but this is somehow a problem for them.
All the animosity I see in this thread is based solely off of the idea that there is this order that everyone has to abide by, and that just isn’t true. His guild isn’t doing this as a big middle finger to anyone else, they are just trying to fit more events together since their own train includes more that the typical world boss hoppers do. If you didn’t actually put the effort into making a key then you have no right to complain, and if you were making a key then they just saved you the trouble since you typically show up early for FE to make a key anyway.

I have to mirror this statement.
Everyone getting all foaming-at-the-mouth furious and pounding on their keyboard in righteous indignation because they can’t get to the Steam Ogre should stop and realize that they are raging over a single champ bag.
One. Friggen. Champ bag.

OP, at this point, I’d just say you should stop announcing it in Map chat.

Or the fact that 95% of the idiots at FE wait for the 10 people who actually do pre events to do them, instead of going to the steam golem event when he announces it, they afk at the FE platform. Good riddance, they deserve to lose out, and to get banned for harassment

maha.7902:

how does someone disliking you make them elitist?

like, this legitimately has to be a troll, no way can someone hurting your feelings mean that they’re an elitist

Elitism comes in many forms, and not all forms have to be the “extremes” that people are accustomed to. Simply putting others down in the dungeons and calling others bad and acting like he was better than everyone else is a form of elitism, again. Not to mention the fact his “great warrior” skills that was also mentioned in the post.

Same logic as jaywalking is technically breaking the law in most states, but when people hear breaking the law, much graver things come to mid.

Severity does not change what it is.

The fact that your only point was “disliking” shows obviously you didn’t read the post.

JustTrogdor.7892:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Duke Blackrose.4981:

To be honest, outfits were a bad idea. They breed uniformity and encourage a lack of creativity, when appearances should be custom-tailored. The fact that these skins cannot be mix-and-matched is more than enough to render them inferior to armor.

Except for the fact they don’t cost charges, and are account bound so you can wear them on all your alts at any lvl. And it’s a whole set, as opposed to pieces.

I prefer the gem store armor sets over outfits because I can mix and match them with other armor pieces to make a more custom look. They unlock in my wardrobe for any of my characters using the same armor weight. Transmutation charges are easy enough to come by. I won’t buy outfits because it is either all or nothing.

I loved the game, and made multiple alts, but hated the starting armor, so an outfit was perfect. I’m able to use my assassins outfit on all my characters while leveling, without having to change anything . Also its not restricted by armor weight so, EVERY character i own. Once i hit 80 on my warrior i changed, but since i have a lot of alts, and outfit was worth it.

Red Queen.7915:

Oh noes! Someone is playing the game with their friends and uses game mechanics to make that happen! How terrible! How selfish! How cruel!

Just for those who need it spelled out, I’m being sarcastic here.

Playing the game in a way that just so happens to be “against tradition” is not selfish. They even announce it in the mapchat. And if people don’t have that open, they can’t complain when they miss the announcement. Tough luck. I was completing Blazeridge Steppes last night and kept waiting for someone to announce the Shatterer. Nobody did, so I missed it. Guess what? The world didn’t end. You can’t blame a player for using content in a way that’s perfectly fine and intended for being “selfish” because you miss out on loot or something. Nobody is denied their reward because nobody has an inherent right to said reward. Same thing could be said for starting the fire elemental preevent in the first place. If people start it right when it spawns, those who arrive a little later because “traditionally”, the fire elemental takes some time to arrive, miss out on it. It happens.

If people really get this upset about “missing out” on a single event migth want to reconsider their priorities. It’s not the moon landing. It will be up again in a bit. It might be annoying for a split second, but that’s about it.

This is correct. Nobody is “missing” out on loot. They just don’t want to wait because they might miss the next boss in their boss train.

People are angry because someone else doing something well within the constraints of the game is inconveniencing THEM.

The real monsters are those raging. They are more than welcome to wait until the reset but the next boss’s loot is more important. That’s their choice.

I say let them hate. It’d bring me nothing but joy if these kids get banned or something

Duke Blackrose.4981:

To be honest, outfits were a bad idea. They breed uniformity and encourage a lack of creativity, when appearances should be custom-tailored. The fact that these skins cannot be mix-and-matched is more than enough to render them inferior to armor.

Except for the fact they don’t cost charges, and are account bound so you can wear them on all your alts at any lvl. And it’s a whole set, as opposed to pieces.

i love tybalt he was too funny to kill off. Made me really sad.

Iris Ng.9845:

You forgot to screenshot the conversation for your personal collection

I remember doing that for Diablo 2 when i would beat people in PvP but i haven’t done that in years is that something people still do? lol

ProtoGunner.4953:

I’d like to hear the other side’s story :-) I never ever had such encounters. I already told that and will tell again: most (not all) people who complain in forums are not better themselves. Otherwise I wonder how I with my ca. 1000 dungeon runs never had any of those incidents I read about every now and then.

No offense but that’s flawed logic is it not? Because it didn’t happen to you it hasn’t happened to others? Plenty of people have posted proof and other things, and many others who are at least seemingly innocent have reported the same thing.

Stating 1 incident, and i quote from my post (90% of the time everything is fine)

Also, i am not complaining as much as I was looking for advice. Thank’s for being a Debbie Downer though. I’ll let you know if i need some more useless information.

segman.3560:

Grow a tougher skin. It’s nor real life, they can’t hurt you. Ignore and block. Report if it’s proper action to do. Just because some of you played bad it’s not a harassment from the other side to tell you that you were bad.

If you can’t handle other people don’t play mmos

You offer nothing but negativity in all your posts, you are one i would see getinng reported often in games.

I gave the whole situation, and even then we did not play “bad”. The other guy also by your terms “played bad” for someone acting with such egoism, but i didn’t call him out on it inside the dungeon. why? Because there’s no need, just like there’s no need for harassment, and no need for negativity.

FYI I played WoW for six years, play many mobas, and other mmo’s.

Growing tough skin doesn’t give you the right to be an kitten , especially if you’re not that good to begin with.

Artemis Thuras.8795:

That isn’t elitism, that’s just plain rude and obnoxious.
Please stop using “elitism” as to go to buzz word for insults in dungeons.

It’s elitism because he was acting as if he was better than all of us, and putting our guild members down elitism isn’t tied to just “lol 20k ap zerk 15kdps” groups, as an FYI.

“the attitude or behavior of a person or group who regard themselves as belonging to an elite.”

Going on about how he’s such a great warrior and putting others down would fit that category, maybe not to the fullest extent of an extreme, but still nonetheless.

Jerus.4350:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

I didn’t kick them before the last boss, because that would make us no better than them, but there’s no need to be an kitten or drag people down.

^^ Very much this.

People are kittens, lowering yourself makes you no better. IMO if they expose themselves as kittens at the beginning, kick them to the curb, but late into it… that’s just a kitten move whatever the reason.

Overall, just don’t let people like that get to you. they aren’t worth it.

Part of me really just wanted to finish the dungeons so i could get my CoF badges since i like the look of the CoF set. I think that’s what i’ll stick to is just blocking, and if it gets bad enough kicking and reporting. Good to know other people feel the same though

ooof. Someone in gmae mentioned grizzlesmouth which comes close. It makes me sad theres not a big orange selection

I’m a huge fan of orange. Its my favorite color. That being said black/orange and white/orange are my favorite color schemes.

I love the creamsicle style combination and Halloween colors soo much but i am having a hard time finding a weapon skin to match that scheme. Anyone got ideas?

I would rather go for white/orange over black/orange but either works =D

I’m also open to orange/x color combinations if they fit another wep better =D

Not sure what to do, or what would actually be an effective action but here goes.

Ran a CoF p2 with guildies. had to pug last 2. Some people couldnt handle boulder dodge, some left, slowly replace. We get 2 guys from the same guild who won’t be named to avoid naming and shaming.

At the part where you have to defend Maggs and he has to blow up door. It gets rough near the end, a few go down, me and Warrior in question both die last but we get credit last second.

His guild member stated " THANK GOD X is such a good warrior" when everyone helped out, and we all got it.

X then complained about how we died(though we all died at the same time near the end)

I put it past, and we get to the final boss. Both him and his guild member die twice while our guild does fine and finishes it while they’re busy trying to res each other.

Afterwards we get a “I hope we don’t ever end up with you guys again” comment from X and they just instantly leave.

1) it was just a “lvl 80 p2” group listing we advertised
2) if you;re going to be an elitist, don’t fail the stupidly easy stuff

What do you guys do when you run into these guys? Do you report? Do you just immediately kick?

I didn’t kick them before the last boss, because that would make us no better than them, but there’s no need to be an kitten or drag people down.

For the record, 90% of the time people are great, helpful, willing to kitten up and teach people etc. But there’s a sour few that need to be cut off the vine.

dank.3680:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

Donari.5237:

It is intentional. Think of them as fire and forget spells you cast on your target rather than persistent doppelgangers, with the added bonus that you can dispel them for desired effects (the F1-F4 skills) before your target dies. I often note my target is about to die while in a crowd and pop F1 or F2 because the effect hits all the foes in range of it. Or so I assume from the swarm of damage numbers I see, anyway, I’m not anything like an expert on this. Then I build them up again on the next target; if a higher health mob is available, eg a veteran, I use that one so they’ll stick around longer.

Also once you have traits unlocked you’ll be able to add effects to the clones and phantasms that trigger when they are killed. Might also work when they self-shatter after a foe dies? I’m not sure on that.

Yeah, i could see where its balanced for pvp, but in pve it sucks lol. Especially with mesmers having a harder time soloing pve at first. Im almost 35, so then i cna just spam dungeons to 80 thankfully

Well you could always level up with spvp.

How fast is that and when can i start? How is it compared to dungeons? And is it ok if i do nothing but die? LOL

Donari.5237:

It is intentional. Think of them as fire and forget spells you cast on your target rather than persistent doppelgangers, with the added bonus that you can dispel them for desired effects (the F1-F4 skills) before your target dies. I often note my target is about to die while in a crowd and pop F1 or F2 because the effect hits all the foes in range of it. Or so I assume from the swarm of damage numbers I see, anyway, I’m not anything like an expert on this. Then I build them up again on the next target; if a higher health mob is available, eg a veteran, I use that one so they’ll stick around longer.

Also once you have traits unlocked you’ll be able to add effects to the clones and phantasms that trigger when they are killed. Might also work when they self-shatter after a foe dies? I’m not sure on that.

Yeah, i could see where its balanced for pvp, but in pve it sucks lol. Especially with mesmers having a harder time soloing pve at first. Im almost 35, so then i cna just spam dungeons to 80 thankfully

So i’m new to mesmer.

I swapped to a warrior to grasp the game first and hit 80 with that so im back to leveling my mesmer.

What i don’t understand is why the clones/illusions/phantoms Disappear when the target you used it on dies.

Is this intentional?

I think i could understand it if it was the only mob, they would disappear, but if im fighting like 3-4, and i kill 1 they still disappear.

Is there a way to fix this with traits or skills?

Is this a change that would happen, and would it break anything?

Mesmers only lvl 32 for reference.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Well, then it was Eternity.

The only items that affect your footprints are Legendary weapons and the Preserved Queen Bee. From your description, it’s clearly not the latter.

Can you turn these effects off? Not everyone i see with legendaries have been leaving them

Xiahou Mao.9701:

Meteorlogicus, perhaps?

She was a guardian weilding eternity, so i’m not sure

Saw someone in game that was leaving galaxy like footprints almost similar to Twilight. Anyone know what this is? I can’t find anything on it

Zania.8461:

Can the argument over nothing stop please? Mesmer portal is a convenience, which can save a fair amount of time. If you believe the convenience is worth tipping for, you will tip. If you don’t, you won’t. Either way you should be polite to your mesmer (being polite in general is a plus!).

Fringe cases where people feel entitled to ports (and being rude about it) is a separate issue, which does occasionally surface. These cases should be dealt with as such.

In summary: Be polite and do not feel entitled to other people’s resources (be it mesmer feeling entitled to tips, or people feeling entitled to portal).

I’ve explained this multiple times, but a select few do not believe that this is fair )the entitled bunch)

Agreed, Zania, and well said.

You agree with this with Zania, but then contradict it in your other statements. So what gives? Not only that but you used insults to try to justify the a fact that only proved you and chiros agree.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Chiros.6724:

Just about any activity in the game helps you get achievements. Do you tip people who go out of the way to rez you, give you boons, kill something you’re having difficulty with, etc? If you want to tip, more power to you. But they’re not entitled to a tip just because they took a little time to help you and used a class skill.

That’s such a gross over-simplification for selfish behavior.

And what are we talking? A gold? All this fuss over a single gold coin worth of appreciation for help?

That’s just sad.

I hope you realize, that in all your arguments, this is a huge logical fallacy, and that this can apply to the same rant that people should expect tips too.

A single coin? All this fun about complaining instead of being a nice person over a single coin?

Chiros.6724:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

You know your response just proved my point, don’t you?

Have you read the whole thread? I have a mesmer. I port people all the time. I also go out of my way to help people out on any other character I’m playing. When someone helps me out I’m grateful and I thank them or even try to help them in return. The difference is that I don’t feel entitled to a tip when I help someone. I do it because helping people in this game is fun. It makes me feel good and it makes the other person feel good. If I get a tip that’s cool. Yay! But I don’t pout when I don’t get them because I didn’t expect one in the first place. I also don’t think someone doesn’t appreciate what I did for them because they just thanked me instead of tipping me. At this point I can’t even tell if you’re trolling or if you really don’t get this.

It’s the Dunning Kruger effect my friend. And if you don’t agree with him you’re wrong, or a horrible person, or “toxic”.

Don’t mind the fact I pay it forward too doesn’t excuse me from not tipping, because I Don’t help others out on my mesmer for free too.

Low and behold Lord Greedicus

Chiros.6724:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Chiros.6724:

Just about any activity in the game helps you get achievements. Do you tip people who go out of the way to rez you, give you boons, kill something you’re having difficulty with, etc? If you want to tip, more power to you. But they’re not entitled to a tip just because they took a little time to help you and used a class skill.

That’s such a gross over-simplification for selfish behavior, it should be criminal. If a mesmer takes the time to get to the end of a jumping puzzle I cannot get to, yes I tip them and also thank them.

I know that’s crazy. Polite behavior in an MMO? Shocking. But I also tend to thank people who do give me buffs and rezzes . . . should I go into a down state which is rare.

It’s not an entitlement. It’s another form of thank you. And I find it very telling that the loudest people to balk tend to be the ones with the rudest responses in the this thread.

Which, in turn, is no shock at all.

And what are we talking? A gold? All this fuss over a single gold coin worth of appreciation for help?

That’s just sad.

How can you not see that gold isn’t the only polite way to thank someone for their help? How can you not see that mesmers feeling entitled to someone’s gold because they put down a portal without first stating that their selling ports is ludicrous? How can you not see that I have absolute no problem with people wanting to tip, just that the entitlement to tips in this thread is disgusting?

“That’s such a gross over-simplification for selfish behavior, it should be criminal.”

That’s such a gross exaggeration and misrepresentation of what I said, it should be comical. (It is.)

“But I also tend to thank people who do give me buffs and rezzes . . . should I go into a down state which is rare.”

Why are you not tipping them? How selfish can you be? It should be criminal.

Good closing point. He should tip for other services too, because if you don’t get rezzed you have to run all the way back. this could mean missing the boss, or getting a crappy rank on the rewards or other things.

Seera.5916:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

RoseofGilead.8907:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

And nobody here has actually said their mesmer has been complained at for not making a portal, and i have never seen it either, so those arguments are null

I said that it happened to me back on the first page, actually. And I’ve also seen mesmers being berated in map chat for not dropping portals for JPs or Rhendak before.

ok, so ill give you that then, but 2 people out of everyone that’s posted here(someone else said they had). That’s a report and harassing player issue.

This doesn’t tie into the being nice, they are specifically requesting a service. You tell them theres a cost, and either they pay or it they dont. And if they harass, you block/report.

The topic is on “expecting tips” as a form of a gratitude, not mesmers being berated because they didn’t make ports. that’s a separate problem with a separate solution

But it does go hand in hand.

When people expect to get ported, they don’t view it as something to tip for or thank for. They expect mesmers to port. They view porting people as the role that mesmers agree to do when they make a mesmer.

You shouldn’t be expected to tip a mesmer you port. You should be expected to show gratitude if you didn’t ask for the port. Be it a thank you, a bow, or a tip.

If you asked for the port, then you should tip. Someone went out of the way to get you a port.

We’ve already stated all of this, and proper solutions for each individual problem that could arise.

Whether it goes hand in hand with porting, this was not part of the OP’s issue to begin with, although i provided solutions to each situation.

As everyone stated, in OP’s case it’s a case of him subconsciously feeling entitled to tips, but not being alpha enough to ask for them.

As other have stated, if he was genuinely doing it “for the good of others”, he would be “paying it forward” and there should be 0 expectation of tips whatsoever. Op’s feeligns and statements conflicted in itself, and there in lies the problem, which solutions of either 1)asking or 2)just being a nice person were provided.

Again as for mesmer’s being "berated, you tell them your price. If they harass or berate you, you block/report them.

Or as others have said you could always port them to their death or something funny.

RoseofGilead.8907:

edgarallanpwn.8739:

And nobody here has actually said their mesmer has been complained at for not making a portal, and i have never seen it either, so those arguments are null

I said that it happened to me back on the first page, actually. And I’ve also seen mesmers being berated in map chat for not dropping portals for JPs or Rhendak before.

ok, so ill give you that then, but 2 people out of everyone that’s posted here(someone else said they had). That’s a report and harassing player issue.

This doesn’t tie into the being nice, they are specifically requesting a service. You tell them theres a cost, and either they pay or it they dont. And if they harass, you block/report.

The topic is on “expecting tips” as a form of a gratitude, not mesmers being berated because they didn’t make ports. that’s a separate problem with a separate solution

Lazuli.2098:

Chiros.6724:

…

Mesmers and their portals are not special snowflakes.
… I morally and ethically disagree that people should expect a tip for something like a portal. If someone wants to give a tip then more power to them. It’s the entitlement in this thread that I will never agree with.

By the same token players are not entitled to a port from a mesmer.

Mesmers at the top of a JP may not even be aware of someone’s need. If I feel like taking the time I often provide portals if I notice someone needing one. But since I very rarely ever look at the chat channels (don’t even have them set up in any particular way on my characters) the only time I have provided portals for random players is if I noticed them struggling in the area. But if I’ve got my inventory window open and the BLTP window open trying to decide what to sell and what to salvage then I don’t even see the area around me. And if people are upset because I didn’t provide a portal when they expected one I’m completely unaware of it.

No they’re not but i’m also not going to ignore a portal if its put down. Why purposefully refuse to take the easy way out? You can be ethical without being an idiot.

And nobody here has actually said their mesmer has been complained at for not making a portal, and i have never seen it either, so those arguments are null

Rising Dusk.2408:

A lot of things in-game are done to make things easier for other players. The number of times I’ve slaughtered twenty L84 creatures to ressurect someone who earlier died to them and get “Thanks” is uncountable, but I never expect nor want a tip from them. The number of times I’ve soloed a boss in a dungeon after my entire team wiped during the final 25% is uncountable, but I don’t expect tips from them. Similarly, if I’m doing something on my Mesmer and happen to be able to help people with Portal, I don’t expect tips from them.

To expect or even want tips is invariably the very reason why so many people won’t tip you. You’re taking something that should be about kindness and turning it into some variant of asking for money, which cheapens everything.

Moral of the story: just be good to people for no reason other than to be good to them, and maybe someone will send you some silver along the way.

Exactly. they’re not doing it to be a good person. If they were they wouldn’t care at all. Anything else said is just an excuse to cover up their want for money or their sense of entitlement.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I kind of look at it this way: if you aren’t thankful enough to tip the guy or girl who helped port you to the achievement, then don’t take the portal.

Simple.

Entitlement.

Rauderi.8706:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I kind of look at it this way: if you aren’t thankful enough to tip the guy or girl who helped port you to the achievement, then don’t take the portal.

Simple.

If the portal is there, I’ll take it. Simple. =P

Silliness aside, I remember when there was a diving goggle perch, before the Zephyrites got all blowed up. I tipped a pretty fair 10s for the mesmer who ported me up.

The etiquette sides on a simple “Thanks” if no announcement for tips was made. Even then, if you’re the mesmer “demanding” tips, call it a fee. If you’re saying “tips appreciated” and you get some, carry on, but if not, don’t throw a hissy fit.

What galls me is that mesmers minding their own business could get harassed by lazy kittens who think they’re owed a portal just by standing there. That’s crass and deserves a mesmer with a sense of humor enough to dump them into the nearest death trap. Or at least charging them for the service ahead of time.

I need to remember that if that ever happens to me, but i can’t say i have run into that yet lol

Chiros.6724:

ChyldeMyst.5098:

I don’t understand all the hostility on this thread. When a Mesmer is providing portals to the end of a jump puzzle, they are providing you with free loot and possibly free achievements with absolutely no investment of time or energy on your part. They, on the other hand, have invested the time to learn and complete the puzzle and are now spending MORE of their time lingering in place to help YOU, rather than continuing on their way to the next event/map/puzzle/story chapter. If the time and effort you’re going to save isn’t worth five silver, do the kitten ed puzzle yourself and stop taking advantage of their generosity.

For the record, I do have a Mesmer, but I don’t provide portals. Because I positively blow at jumping puzzles. And even when I’m too broke to pay attention (which is most days), I’ll tip a few copper or a piece of my chest loot to a Mesmer who makes my life a little easier. They’re going out of their way to help me, why should I be an ungracious clown-waffle to them?

It’s the entitlement in this thread that I will never agree with.

Agreed with everything you said, but this is my key thesis that very few pickup on.

Everything else is just an excuse to try to disguise the fact that people feel entitled to tips for helping.

I don’t do any of that because i “pay it forward”. I help others too, and expect nothing in return. Its why this community is so nice and fun. I also own a mesmer for the record

ChyldeMyst.5098:

I don’t understand all the hostility on this thread. When a Mesmer is providing portals to the end of a jump puzzle, they are providing you with free loot and possibly free achievements with absolutely no investment of time or energy on your part. They, on the other hand, have invested the time to learn and complete the puzzle and are now spending MORE of their time lingering in place to help YOU, rather than continuing on their way to the next event/map/puzzle/story chapter. If the time and effort you’re going to save isn’t worth five silver, do the kitten ed puzzle yourself and stop taking advantage of their generosity.

For the record, I do have a Mesmer, but I don’t provide portals. Because I positively blow at jumping puzzles. And even when I’m too broke to pay attention (which is most days), I’ll tip a few copper or a piece of my chest loot to a Mesmer who makes my life a little easier. They’re going out of their way to help me, why should I be an ungracious clown-waffle to them?

They aren’t providing me with free loot. The loot was already there.
Achievements wouldn’t be free there either, the achievement is there regardless of how i get there.

What they are providing is a CONVENIENCE, for people to not have to complete the puzzles.

Whose to say the people taking the portals don’t know the puzzle already? You assume everyone who took a portal every has no clue how to do a jumping puzzle?

Wow you one sided kitten.

“If the time and effort you’re going to save isn’t worth five silver, do the kitten ed puzzle yourself and stop taking advantage of their generosity.”

Wow, so thanks isn’t being generous.

I guess i should start paying people 5$ to hold the door open for me because it saved me 2seconds. Don’t mind that i already know how to open a door but hey talk about greedy. I now can no longer accept walking through a door now because i will be expected to pay that person 5$ for saving me two seconds.

I can no longer feel ok with just saying thanks to someone, now i’m OBLIGATED to pay or else feel like a horrible person in your eyes.

Just for the record, i have a mesmer, and i provide free portals all the time with NO expectation of payment or even a thanks.

Why?

its called… PAYING IT FORWARD. Something people who genuinely have nothing to gain out of doing something nice do. That’s why i have a problem with everything you said. I get free portals and help from people, and i pay it forward by doing the same

Its why the community is nicer. People help each other out without having to get kitten about tips and other junk.

If payment bothers you that much, ask for it. You can’t honestly expect that people and players will just change their habits. If you want something to change, you need to be the change. Ask for tips, and youll either get tips or you wont.

dietzero.3514:

People really need to give up this Time = Gold = Free falsehood. It is ridiculous…

Hey, I have some work that needs doing. Anyone want to do it? You will only use up your time, so of course I will pay you nothing.

If you think time isn’t of any value then you’re a very unintelligent person.

Time and convenience is always worth a value subjectively based upon what that person assigns to it as a value.

Seera.5916:

naiasonod.9265:

Caeledh.5437:

Fernling.1729:

PvE side is probably what they meant. People are fantastic in PvE areas.
PvP is just as bad as any other game with PvP.

Agreed except for dungeons. The fact that speed running them is the easiest way to farm gold, fragments etc. can really bring out the worst in some people there.

I do a fair amount of dungeons rather regularly, and while I can confirm that my experiences have very infrequently been awful while pugging courtesy of jerks obsessing over turning casual runs into speed runs and troll-kicking others when at the final bosses, that’s been rather infrequent.

I pug pretty often just ‘cause I can, and I don’t usually have much trouble. Then again, I’m usually the one putting the listing up and specifically calling for newbs, necros and casuals looking to learn a path.

That doesn’t usually attract that ‘80-only ping zerker 7000+ AP or kick’ crowd, and those seem to typically be the ones that don’t play well with others.

Caeledh did say bring out the worst in some. Some doesn’t mean all or a majority.

Being an environment that requires coordination and cooperation between 5 players, except for the very skilled, is a set up for drama and fights if two play styles clash or the run isn’t going smoothly. And it’s an environment where it’s bad to ignore chat. Teq and Wurm as long as you know the gist of the fight, ignoring the chat isn’t going to destroy the chances of you getting rewarded. Ignoring chat in a dungeon could lead you to being kicked.

9/10 times players like these are bad anyways. In the skill aspect. Anyone who was relatively skilled would realize gear and ap mean jack kitten when it comes to knowing a fight, or performing well itself.

I’d love to see these kids in real mmos that take effort and coordination from more than 5 player’s while competing against entire servers for achievements.

Hardcore in a casual mmo.

Chiros.6724:

watergenji.5816:

Ok. I think a lot of people have misinterpreted the OP’s intent. Some of you keep getting caught up in the fact that the OP claims he or she doesn’t play a Mesmer for money then claims he or she is bothered by the fact that not many port recipients give gratuity. The OP isn’t saying he or she is bothered by a lack of tips because of the MONEY. It’s about the lack of a display of ETIQUETTE. The fact that this form of etiquette is monetary doesn’t necessarily help the OP’s case, but don’t let that suggest that the OP is only concerned with money here. The OP is simply arguing that tipping is a good form of etiquette in these situations and is suggesting that it actually be considered by more players. Considering how many players probably don’t even think about tipping Mesmers, the OP’s attempt to spread the word seems somewhat noble to me. It’s an attempt to spread etiquette.

If that was truly OPs intent then he would have been asking for thank yous, not money.

Correct. Ettiquette is a different discussion altogether.

Also from Ops statement………………..

“Then BAM, through the magic purple gateway to free loot. I remember thinking that was the coolest thing I’d ever seen in an MMO, that you could do that for people. I knew right then that I wanted to make a Mesmer. More than that, that I wanted to get really good at JPs.”

watergenji.5816:

Ok. I think a lot of people have misinterpreted the OP’s intent. Some of you keep getting caught up in the fact that the OP claims he or she doesn’t play a Mesmer for money then claims he or she is bothered by the fact that not many port recipients give gratuity. The OP isn’t saying he or she is bothered by a lack of tips because of the MONEY. It’s about the lack of a display of ETIQUETTE. The fact that this form of etiquette is monetary doesn’t necessarily help the OP’s case, but don’t let that suggest that the OP is only concerned with money here. The OP is simply arguing that tipping is a good form of etiquette in these situations and is suggesting that it actually be considered by more players. Considering how many players probably don’t even think about tipping Mesmers, the OP’s attempt to spread the word seems somewhat noble to me. It’s an attempt to spread etiquette.

None of this matters. Those are 2 contradictive statements. Period. No matter light you try to shine them in.

One side is op says he doesn’t care. On the other side op says they should tip more due to x reason. It DOESN’T MATTER what that reason is. By saying “they should” he already warrants that he believes people should tip. He made a STATEMENT.

If he truly did not care, then he would not have mentioned it at all. If its that big of a deal, he needs to ask for payment for his service, just like anything else in the world.

When i hold open the door for someone, I don’t even care if i get a thanks. Sometimes i do get a thank you, sometimes i don’t. I do it because im a nice person, not because i’m expecting something out of it.

I certainly don’t get kitten if i don’t get a thanks either, because i was never expecting anything.

OP is subconsciously doing this expecting gold, he just doesn’t want to admit it, and is trying to justify it through horribly reasoning, which most of the people in this thread have already pointed out.

pdavis.8031:

I think the OP is right.

Although it shouldn’t be required, but it certainly is appreciated.

Think of it as working in the service industry. Some places, such as restaurants (at least in the US) tipping is a social obligation. People accept and understand that you should tip your server, and generally do. However, some professions in service are often overlooked as far as tips. It doesn’t mean that they don’t want them, or need them. But such a gesture is greatly appreciated.

I think the OPs point is, if someone is doing you a service (porting you to the end of a JP) proper etiquette would demand that a small token of your appreciation be given. It’s not hurting anyone, and it shows that you are grateful. Sure you could not tip, but it does reflect upon you as a person. Just like if you go to a restaurant and don’t leave a tip, what kind of person does that make you appear? Servers will remember you, and next time you come in, you will get the worst possible service. They will also remember if you do tip, and even more so if you tip generously, resulting in the best possible service, and sometimes some extra goodies.

In the end, it’s just a nice thing to do. But if you want to be a kitten….well that is your perogative.

This has no bearing on anything. The only reason tipping is customary in the service industry is because employers dump the responsibility of employee wages on the consumer. If it were like any normal job, you would do the job you were paid to do, and you don’t get any tips on that.

There’s a reason people tip, and don’t tip. Its not the consumers fault that the burden of whether the server gets paid enough or not is on them, as opposed to just paying the servers a regular wage, and adding to the cost of food/product like any other company does.

Also, since they make a base wage anyway, and its classified as a “job” Something they must do, this makes no sense either.

Horrible example.

A better example might be a friend helping his buddy move. He might help out and get nothing in return because they are friends, or because he returns the favor at another time etc, however most times if a buddy is helping me move i’ll buy pizza and beer or whatever he wants.

He’s not required to help me move, nor am i required to pay him for it if he asks(he can just not help, like the mesmer can just not port).

This says more about OP not being true to his feelings, and counteracting his own statement, saying “he doesn’t do it for the tips, but then wants tips”.

OP needs to stop lying to himself and just admit he wants tips, and ask for them.

If he was really doing it for being a good person, it wouldn’t matter one bit, like it doesn’t matter to me.

ElforTheLandStander.7052:

I didn’t get into Mesmerism to make money.

It bothers me how few people tip, though.

This bother’s me the most. You say you didn’t do it to make money, but you expect it.

If you didn’t expect it you wouldn’t feel so bad or irritated at the lack of tipping.

You make portals because you’re a good person, and tips are just icing on the cake. At least that how it is for a lot of people.

If you want to require tips, thats fine, but don’t come in here counteracting your own thesis in the same debate.

I don’t tip mesmers often. Why? I have a mesmer myself, and i do the same thing. I never ask for tips, and i don’t care to, because the community is awesome.

When i need help, i get help. People are awesome at explaining things, and will do a lot for you without even asking..

Melanie.1240:

AC p1, 2, 3, SE p1, CoF p1, TA up and fw only take 10-20 minutes each. AC gives 1.5 gold upon completion and the rest gives 1 gold. Being new is not an excuse, I take newbies in my groups all the time. As long as you do not join the speedrun groups you usually won’t get kicked.

If you still don’t want to run dungeons, then yes I guess playing the TP is an option, but prepare to stare at excel sheets a lot (probably more than 10-20 minutes) to really get anywhere.

Oh, and exotic armor is nowhere near 20 gold a piece, more like 1-5 per piece.

Edit: Oh, you can also try farming Silverwastes by the way. I heard the gold gain is good there.

I leveled through map completion to about 20% world(did only low level areas) and the rest i spammed dungeons and world events.

Im level 76 and i have 80g. That’s more gold than levels! ANd this was from a brand new player, 1-80(today will hit 80) in ~3weeks.