Prepping CnD into Steal isn’t a bad opener and a few seconds of auto attack under quickness leaves you with more to do once you have to mess with your initiative again. I’m using Magnanimous Oil along with Furious Maintenance Oil for Vitality because my dailies gather materials for it anyway, that concentration actually makes the quickness infused auto attack seem like that’s how sword should feel already.
I’m on DA/TR/DD by the way with scholar runes and mostly marauders and vipers I think still, so the quickness covers most of what’s happening upfront.
Ehhhh, I think you’re either full of dookie, or you’re outnumbered for a staggering majority of your WvW time, which is probably not the case on NSP.
Lets say you’re silver, and NSP is ticking in first place for your entire WvW playtime:
2hours a day= 24 pip ticks per day.
24 pip ticks at silver in 1st place = 120 pips per day.
120 pips per day at 7 days = 840 pips per week.
1450 pips required to get all 175 tickets per week.
Well, diamond reset and I’m not getting tickets anymore and I know other people knocked theirs out early just doing stuff. If you want to do maths and kitten go ahead, don’t know what we’re arguing about.
175 is the weekly cap yes… And IMO I think those that reach it are either AFKers or insane, lol. If there was no cap, people would be be logged in 24/7 standing around in spawn.
I reached it mid week and I play a casual two hours or so a night but that includes my dailies for food and tool crafting and all that. I’m not on the squads all the time, I like to zig zag across the map a bit and knock out sentries, ruins, and camps and I’ll just hook up with whatever group or squad fights I run into. Playing a complete game feels more important than tagging everything your squad is blowing up over and over again and you don’t want to keep getting the same kills all night. I think a casual but active player should have little problem reaching cap before match ends as long as they’re seeing all their actions through.
WvW activity is too hit or miss any given day to have too high a requirement. Sure there’s some people who never stopped playing and they’re either young enough or finally old enough to sit there all day sleep zerging on a tag but most people felt the need to hit up other game modes to make the most out of limited game time, likely the people who actually fund the game since they don’t have enough time to grind everything.
I don’t care about this set of armor, it only looks somewhat decent as a full set, but a new player who might have hyped themselves up for the long haul is going to lose a lot of steam when they hit a match week where not a lot is happening, where they out match or are out-matched heavily or a match where you’re not killing enough different people. Ranked pips is going to make a cold match a waste of time for most players. I hope these queues last.
I don’t have a lot of time to play so I try to find action where I can while I’m on. That means I can’t spend a bunch of downtime roaming but I do float around a lot, I’ll hit small stuff on my way to the squad lines. I’m generally without all those group buffs anyway and while they’re nice in a big fight, I mostly generate what I need for myself and only really need the full spread if I’m on Daredevil Staff with condi clear on evade since I’m fighting mostly middle and middle to outer instead of outer and outer to middle like on other builds.
Even getting a slot in squad, I know my group is a filter group anyway and buffs will change constantly so I still rely on my own kit. It’s why in squad now I only get on Staff if I know there’s going to be a certain momentum and I know where it’s heading so I know how far I need to stretch out the resource bars for that build. Otherwise, I’m taking Shadow arts for fast stealth rez, condi clear and damage reduction, and most importantly boon strips including Rending Shade from SA line. Depending on what I need at the moment I’ll use different boon strip combos as some take a generic boon while others take a whole stack.
Regardless of being in squad or not, use that blobs location and route to your benefit. You’ll crank out that reward track faster seeing through stomps and everything more so than just running with the herd tagging everything being nuked.
Acro/Trick/DD, take all survival traits and dodge, 55111115 into enemy, dodge back, dodge back, heal, repeat. Failing that, you can 2424 with shortbow.
Arrive, collect bags, leave. Haters gonna hate.
That was beautiful. Throw a staff 3 in there someplace though, at least make it look like we’re working.
I use Valk with Daredevil runes myself supplemented with the Sigil og Intel with staff p/p. Build might swap and have crits anytime I want them as that might running. Start with 3 crits on the swap then dodge crit as needed. It works well.
I have been going back and forth between Staff Mastery and EA. I am not sure which I prefer more yet given SM just keeps giving that endurance which can fuel more dodges and guaranteed crits.
I’ve done the conquest d/p build switching to Executioner, Staff Mastery, and Bound with Staff/Shortbow. Signet of Agility and Shadow Return were very nearly enough to stagger but EA with Acrobatics has been solid, it lets you create more opportunities for your squad to jump on and it’s better for using your squad driver or other focused teammates to feed on evades. You’re good with just water to splash on every other minute and Debilitating Arch, and you can Bound into Shortbow 5 for some reach or if you need to get to a better part of your lines.
You have try to mask whatever animations you can though, staff skills are just asking to get pulled or nuked. You’re like an angry cheerleader out there and it’s a great laugh for the bad guys when you get exploded and it makes the pugs in your squad feel bad because you looked so awesome a minute ago. I’m not good enough to suffer that stress all the time so I went back to boon stripping and stealth again most of the time now, staff for smc or epic borderlands spawn point Braveheart fights.
[A]: On another class that can directly benefit the a squad-party, and help with squad composition (i.e. filling needed class roles for each group).
OR
[B]: Picking off roaming groups trying to snipe the people who inevitably trail behind the majority of the squad when moving from objective to objective and get focused during fights for being far outside the main group. Also finishing downs on the periphery always helps when it comes to winning the rally-game.
Ya, I said as much, glad we’re on the same page commander. But when a tag cries for everyone to join squad and get on TS, they get what they get or they can go roam themselves or f off with their guild someplace.
Well if you only need the 3 tiers of the chest piece to gain the effect, I might go for that first over the back piece. Probably wait and see if someone actually proves that though.
No, I mean you only need to preview chest piece when you preview from vendor to see the effect, and it doesn’t even work on bank wardrobe just that vendor. I don’t have any clue whatsoever what the progress actually is to get the actual effect.
How do you expect to contribute positively to the fight when you play those kinds of classes in zerg fights?
By keeping other thieves like me off a commanders back, or stealth fast rez them when they get sniped. There’s maybe two decent builds that a thief can stay in zerg mostly with but we’re better floating near and tethering in and out. Commanders could suggest in map however that anyone not in squad form a group or second squad if they want to crank out their reward track still.
You said frontline and many of us were thinking you meant run with the tag not rushing the backline-freecasters. If you are rushing to gut the glass cannons I wouldn’t even worry about anything other than staying alive and damage. Just don’t stop the rampage to spike or kill, keeping them spooked will stop their freecasting. Rupt meteor showers, drop the hammers and maybe even barrages if you got the resources.
The auto reflect is nice right on tag but everything about the build lets you tether at a small range to hit out and sling back, it’s how that build feeds itself anyway. You might have to get stupid and reach out with a Bound into Steal for a quick down sometimes but it’s mostly still a frontline.
No wvw’er would do such a thing. The reason we dont click icon is because we could accidentally end up somewhere othere than wvw. Without “b” key we are lost.
No WvW’er would ever let anyone else tell them how to bind their keys.
Ok, thanks. I was avoiding daredevil because I was looking at building up a thief for the next elite, hopefully rifle will have some AoEs. I was going for a pistol rifle using asura thief, thinking of getting it to 80 and grabbing a bunch of hero points so I can just unlock all of the new elite when it drops. I’ll think on it.
Play all of thief at least a little. There will be synergy with older traits and you want to know a little about what you’re doing.
Conquest D/P DareDevil build right now with varied armor stats for more or less vitality or staff with Escapists Absolution (condi clear) and Bound dodge for SMC fights.
Loaf of Saffron Bread because I know I’m going to be pulled and Furious Maintenance Oil just to roll up stats to where I want them. I switch around a lot and I’ll eat anything free.
The Conquest D/P build on metabattle is just an all around good build, even in big fights in WvW if you shift some stats around for more vitality and pace yourself with initiative, you’ll be alright. Out of pure laziness when I need to switch to staff I just switch from PI to EA and Dash to Bound. It doesn’t quite match up to the sustaining movement of Acro but it’s passable as a zerg rider if you stagger your evade sources, not sure how that would translate to spvp for you though. I don’t even bother changing from shortbow to pistol off hand anymore, Blinding Powder has to be clutch though.
Like no one uses Staff at all? It gives up mobility or stealth but sees lots of use in all gamemodes, lots of players will use the weapon because it gives a new way to play, and it will probably be an effective way to play depending on the need of the player.
I have seen the posts you make so it’s clear why you ask such questions.
When I want to keep from getting locked down and stay moving I take staff and I already have Blinding Powder for stealth and most people take d/p on weapon switch. If staff gave up mobility no one would use it in current game build.
I would say even if you don’t like fractals but you have the time you should do it. I don’t like fractals and I don’t have the time so I only have one extra slot on my rings and one old zerk backpack with an extra slot which I’d like to change to stats on.
“Everyone with overpowered thieves who can kill everything while not being touched, can you log off and get a necro or guardian or anything else right now?”
That’s squad life for my thief, but I get it and agree for the most part, so I’ll go off and change my build to catch squirrely zerg tails instead, probably where I’d find your nerfed necro.
Edit: by the way, I’ve seen a lot more thieves around lately also, but they look like alts, so there might be a lot of people knocking out all their HoT elites before the next round. Maybe they’ll all shelve their thieves soon and work on another class.
it’s a gimmick but also a nice way to punish people : jump + #3 avoid the recoil from the dodge but keep the evade frame.
You just have to kill it before that evade animation catches up, usually only notice that if you’re standing around board in town or something anyway. If your skill queue isn’t too jammed up you can Jump+Staff #3 in a way that can give Debilitating Arch some air time to look like a generic dodge or some other jump.
I have been tonight after updating. I’ve noticed the screen blinks to black and back a couple times before it blacks out for good. It looks like my video card is dying or something and I have to power button down pc.
From any waypoint there with the Oakheart mastery and gliding this map is one of the quickest to navigate but still one of the fullest maps. I normally hammer out the story then go back to WvW and use the new maps reward track but I’m actually having a lot of fun on this map and I wish Bitterfrost Frontier was designed similarly because I like the look of that map also.
There are fun builds that fill a niche and might even do it well if you’re group is on point but after awhile you’ll likely find yourself building towards the conquest metabuild and a loose template with Acro staff + d/p or p/p in general anyway depending on where you’re fighting at. I do still like SA sometimes with Rending Shade when I’m floating near a squad but it takes some timing to sync up boon strips for stacks instead of generic boons.
Why should ANET invest anything into WvW? Even if all the WvW players put in 5USD each once a year it’d still be negligible. Probably still not enough to put in the effort for Legendary Armor.
The normal game mode’s max capacity at a single time is only ~28,000. Split that up into the 5 significant time zones then maybe you have 120,000 WvW players…but I doubt it. At least Eotm is effectively uncapped.
WvW has no system in place to make it profitable, so I can see why changes are sparse. It probably manages to only pay for 3 people a year.
If the WvW population wasn’t profitable then we wouldn’t have a matchup system that encourages paid server transfers. Aside from a couple neck scarf thieves with legendary weapons most other thieves I see are sporting gem store gear. Also, we have the provisioner, everything else we have to leave WvW and go pve for, so any numbers in pve players favor is padded by all the WvW refugees trying to hammer out their gear to get back to WvW.
I don’t care about that armor much since they have the usual bulky spikey sparkly look and they’re not above ascended stats but they could just call it raid armor. I thought the idea of Legendary gear was to show you mastered all game modes and areas. I don’t want Legendary armor, I want something cool conceived by some dev who plays WvW maybe. Or just put out that Triumphant Heros Armor already and put some particle effects or animations or whatever on it.
Doens’t aggreed with you. Guild wats hasn’t many obtions for manly or kitten looking gear options. Probably one of the desingners is a woman and thats because spvp has a feminen looking legendary pack. We need more armors like heavy version of the triumphant hero armor.
I’m not talking about manly or whatever, I’m talking about having some armor that doesn’t make you look like a hobo at a rave.
1. Add in recipes where the Triumphant armor can be upgraded to Triumphant Hero’s armor via the Mystic Forge. The recipes require WvW Tournament Claim tickets, similar to how the Hero weapons can be upgraded to Mistforged Hero weapons.
2. WvW Tournament Claim tickets can now be earned via the following methods:
- At the end of each week of play, each bonus WvW chest gives you 50 tickets. (So 1st place gives you 150, 2nd place gives you 100, and 3rd place gives you 50.)
- Excess Proofs of Heroics can be exchanged for tickets at a rate of 1 Proof for 3 tickets.
- Excess World Ability Points can be exchanged for tickets at a rate of 1 point for 5 tickets.
This gives long-term cosmetic rewards for WvW players (as well as slight power increases, because the Battle Historian merchant also offers WvW infusions for tickets), as well as additional incentive for winning each weekly match-up. Because the upgrade recipes require both bottles of Elonian Wine as well as Crystalline Dust, this also acts as a new gold sink for the economy and increases demand for Ectos.
If there were a few more style archetypes and some weapons and other slot items I’d be okay with that as long as we stop getting bulky, spikey, puffy, square, sparkley kitten. I’m still sporting the old Medium Glorious Chest piece because everything else looks like immovable trash.
Since there’s actual interest in this thread at least think about not adding anything that increases range or messes with stats because again, it seemed like you were talking more about squad composition more than anything else and there’s not many places for guilds or people who actually think about their builds to go if WvW goes full themepark.
I don’t think they should remove downed state just resurrect. Problem with rez is that all a more populated group has to do is survive and then they can completely reconstitute their numbers. This disincentives a smaller groups from engaging because it is mostly pointless. If dead players had to port immediately, smaller skilled groups could pick apart larger ones more easily adding more strategy and skill to the fights.
That’s my main problem with downstate, resurrection seems like a pain to both sides, it’s not even fun resurrection your people after a fight if you win. It also encourages people to take a death nap and be one more thing to miss click.
WvW forum should get rid of thieves and whatever else people cry about here every day before getting rid of down state, most people who post here regularly would rage quit without it unless the rest of combat was balanced out.
I mostly run around to show off my characters look by looking majestic on SMC wall or I flop around on obvious scrubs with daredevil animations to make it look like I’m good.
Regardless, it doesn’t matter how you want to put it that build is not for “countering condi” is for everything and you know that, you can simply counter EVERYTHING with it, i mean i don’t even know how can you argue the fact that dodging (the strongest way to sustain your self) while making a huge ammounts of dmg is fair? but it’s ok.
keep having fun this is what this game is all about, and your a solo roamer too so respect that regardless of whatever… cheers.
Staff is awesome until the other player calms down, Escapist Absolution counters a condition per Evade, you have to Evade, and you have to burn up utility or trait awkwardly otherwise. You’ll run into better more deliberate Staff players like the one you’re angry about but they’re likely running with a personalized kit and would probably give you a problem on most builds if their playing alert.
I have some limited movement so I have to keybind for it. I find if you stay calm and casually deliberate with Staff that weapon has the least awkward pull and lean for me. Also keeping skill #3 on Left Ctrl to lean my bottom left palm easily makes the phases on Flanking Strike easier to roll through, also a good key for a clutch key like an elite if you’re trying to keep from having too much lift off of keyboard.
And yet you still cannot give a reason on how it will improve access to ascended gear when both the existing method and a vendor will require ~the same amounts of crafting.
If it’s a vendor, there’s no crafting. If you want to spend your game time crafting to show how dedicated and how good you are at the game then have it. This isn’t a raid progression game where you show off your new stats that came out last month, most people in WvW don’t care beyond getting best in slot stats out of the way so they can actually play their builds and show off cosmetics. You can be tryhard but don’t expect everyone else to have the same arbitrary standards that you can’t help but double down on.
Playing thief of any build is akin to retiring from trying.
Playing ghost thief? I’d rather uninstall.
One kittenty build from blob servers or only keep tappers use and it has people like you crying over builds that aren’t even close to similar. If you’re crying about sword/dagger thieves as well then just log out and come at the game from another angle maybe.
nice way to slide in an insult with a tint of elitism all the while acting a white knight, well done son
the person you are educating right now though has been acting all kitten about game balance and backtalking everyone who knows better than him and now he comes to ask about one of the basic class skills, nice
I gave compliment to the thieves here including Azure even if he’s generally a kitten he usually adds to a discussion, I have no interest in being coy about anything. So what if the op is a troll, you fed into it while others answered a question. I gave a kitten suggestion that basically said, “I don’t know, go try it out”, how is that elitist? I think some of you are so used to trashing each other here with three plus paragraph posts you think everyone has some hidden message or jab at you.
I’m glad at least the regulars here who usually help people out actually answered the question instead of take a bunch of cheep shots, especially since we tell everyone to learn about our class in pvp and wvw forums when they encounter something they don’t know. People get around to registering something at different times than others, not a big deal and it doesn’t hurt hammer out in a thread.
Also wouldn’t hurt to bring a thief alt into pvp lobby and try it out a few times to at least log in the animations you want to look out for, even if you’re not interesting in climbing the ladder it’s still fun to fill out that catalog anyway.
For the most part people only take cheap shots here if you pretend to know what you’re talking about but it’s obvious you don’t.
If you’re new and just plain don’t understand something, usually it doesn’t summon the trolls.
Did you read the thread or where are you going with that? You normally post with reason here even when you just rehash what someone else already posted but it looks like you’re reaching for an argument where there is none in my post.
I’m glad at least the regulars here who usually help people out actually answered the question instead of take a bunch of cheep shots, especially since we tell everyone to learn about our class in pvp and wvw forums when they encounter something they don’t know. People get around to registering something at different times than others, not a big deal and it doesn’t hurt hammer out in a thread.
Also wouldn’t hurt to bring a thief alt into pvp lobby and try it out a few times to at least log in the animations you want to look out for, even if you’re not interesting in climbing the ladder it’s still fun to fill out that catalog anyway.
Especially Throw Gunk. (Stolen Item from engineers)
Maybe some do though I haven’t put much thought into it, I use most of them for something, some fit my build really well. I actually like Gunk because it’s ranged, multiple target, and a field and partly because I feel left out when red carpet squads are spilling circles for five minutes straight and I just want to add my bit.
I apologize for my errors I my last post .But my point still remains that its not that hard to make or acquire ascended gear.I have six full sets that I made myself and 1 set from just drops. I have changed the stats on those sets at least dozen times in the mystic forge . I have so many rings I’m salvaging most of them.Back packs.rings and other accessories are ridiculously easy to get in the new maps.Oh ya you don’t do PvE or craft .Well that’s your undoing.Why the heck are you even playing for.It’s like wanting to go to the Olympics but you don’t want to train.It,s getting to the point where people just want it so easy all they want to do is stand in Lions Arch and collect prizes all day for nothing.
You reap what you sow.
How do you equate PvE and Crafting to the pinnacle of gaming goals? That’s precisely the two things most WvW’ers are trying to avoid because it takes them away from the game mode they play for. And please don’t claim something stupid like any WvW player has the time or interest to pve and craft 6 full sets of ascended, you’re either not playing WvW or you don’t have a job.
We play GW2 first because we like the community in whatever mode we play in, second is that we play to progress our builds, and we play for cosmetics which ties into our build. Yes, if I had to spend the hour, hour and half I get after work to play in pve and crafting I’d definitely have to reconsider why I’m playing. That’s not the case, our game mode gains points by participation and duration, match outcome is based entirely on our effort and time we put into it, don’t try to tell us our time and effort in WvW is meaningless and that playing PVE and crafting is the primary activity.
They’ve been trying to make raiding and spvp a thing but WvW still has the most solid dedicated player base of almost any mode or mmo that I shopped around for. If we can’t gear up to best in slot at least as timely or conveniently as other modes then you know competitive players and guilds will leave the game and see how long the game is supported after that, their raids get no hype on any site or forum and spvp is still a salty subject.
All thieves want to be THE thief. Get killed by another class and they can make some balance excuse. Get killed by another thief it’s because that other thief was better and that just can’t be. That’s not reality, that’s just a likely perspective and some people just like to talk trash because that’s probably the one chance they get to so I just let them, I get it.
Hit a threshold that you’ll need for any given server matchup. You’ll get to know how guilds and squads on other servers roll and what you need to make up for in your own squads and groups. I think I’m right around 18k health for the last few matchups with the rest going to power since I’m forcing crits.
D/P is a strong enough as a weapon set but the build that compliments the set also compounds it’s performance since there’s enough damage modifier and utility to take something like Brawlers Tenacity which helps your utility bar maintain a resource on top damage and utility but not lose anything from set, whereas on my S/D set I’m compromising precisely because the damage and utility constraint and thresholds are real once you’re fighting a team who puts thought into their compositions.
Server loyalty has gone by the wayside with the constant transfers, bandwagoning and links have ruined it even more and in some cases destroyed servers.
A stable server community was what made things good, seeing the same names and playing with the same people for a long time. Of course, the “fit” has to be right and some servers have their own flavour. Still true but to a much lesser extent these days.
Only loyalty I feel now is to my guild and the people I have been playing with for a long time. Wvw guilds are some of the best in GW2 but sadly the attrition of friends due to the state of wvw is making the game much less fun to play.
The server I’m on seems pretty stable. Once in awhile some guild will want to see if the tier fits maybe but being a large pug server everyone gets incorporated pretty smoothly. At least at my time of day we have a vulnerable squad tail but most of the regulars are self motivated and modular when it comes to hooking up with squads and guilds to knock something out. I suppose over time they’ve built a culture and casual doctrine so it’s not a massive impact when we gain or lose a guild, most of the regulars have been the same since I’ve been there.
We’re about mid range though so it probably sounds about right, if we were higher tier we’d probably suffer uncertainty more.
Question as a non spvp player. How important is it generally to dominate the topography in the center areas? It seems like from the videos posted here that the wack-a-mole dash/sb thieves have an easier time of intercepting being able to shortbow to almost any given window or rubble at whatever height or angle.
Is it pretty much as efficient to wait for contact to happen en-route or are non sb thieves able to master the map design well enough without it?
I don’t know where they’ve brought that build to by now but I remember a couple of thieves here kept a critical line build in the shop, that’s the only one I can remember and they’d better explain what’s up with it.
At least Eotm is effectively uncapped.