Guild Wars 2

RonnyRaygun.5692:

Reading this crap is to funny, where do you all come up with this stuff. Oh and is it a popularity contest, cause for most High School was years ago….

Yet a lot of you still act like children…..

And welcome KoS, glad to see more of my T8 enemies as allies on this server.

/your friend, former DR player from GASM.

IT would seem like AR has decided to give GoM and ET the WvW world to play out the rest of the week. Sadly rumor is AR doesn’t want to move up. Too bad however that that option went out the window once AR crossed the 250k mark on a Wednesday night. Not every guild feels this way and many of us have seen this in other brackets on other servers. It may have been great to faceroll this week, but why try to throw a move with not showing up. AR should be up in a tier where populations are similar and where we have to fight for it….

Not empty threats….just didn’t have people on at 2am EST. We gave you an inch and you took a mile. You don’t have “classy” players on your server and it’s fairly obvious. A lot of AR people felt that “attacking” the little guy wasn’t the best of things to do because we have other areas that garner more of a fight than you little ET guys do. Maybe it’s just your night crew that doesn’t have respect or your filled with a bunch of little kiddies, either way….respect was attempting to be shown towards your lacking WvW population. But even though there were 25 of you guys last night, maybe a little less, maybe a little more….you guys died more than enough to make due on the promise. How long did it take a 20 man squad to take one little tower from 3 people? About 20 mins…..

If doing damage to another and not taking dmg back in return….then yes, definitely exploit. If knocked through the ground with one of the many blow back bugs that do that…and not able to attack to or from, bug.

If you say that they were in fact actually doing dmg to peeps and objects then no question exploiting.

That’s okay Leo….you kitten on here about being demoralized and how you’re losing….AR goes easy on you. You can’t have it both ways and you already broke the limited truce that was there….so we’re back to KOS status with no mercy. You’ll have your time when you’re at the bottom of the tiers, but it won’t be in this one.

Funny, I’ve seen mostly alliance guilds on ET’s borderlands taking their stuff….just saying. Personally though, my guild’s been told to stay off ET for taking stuff….but any of you ET guys attack an EOH tag and they’ll return fire.

Unfortuntely I think AR is going to be humbled next week….and they much need it at least once or twice /laugh. But yes I do hope that maybe one day I’ll either meet you guys again or be side by side….who knows what fortune favors the bold.

Actually to be honest, they didn’t get as far as I’ve seen some people get into a spawn point….boy those legendary archers sure are lazy sometimes.

@Flame ram issue….seen that a few times…it’s a bug when throwing two rams in the same spot…one “stacks” for an unknown reason…maybe coding error.

@hacking into your spawn: looks more like AR got Hacked up trying to see how far they could get into your spawn because they’re bored that there’s nothing to take so now it’s a see who can get the furthest event.

Sad to hear that some of Kaineng’s more active WvW guilds are leaving for larger waters. We all know the “tension” that comes behind a decision to leave a server, especially when you know what kind of impact you’ve had (guild or individuals). I’m sure you all will have fun up there in T5 but you all will also be causing the same landslide win that happened with Devona. We know how that turns out, but again in the same light, sometimes it’s just nice to be on the “winning team” for a week or so. I know that when I left and the few that came with me we went to a server that wasn’t winning and that was in the middle…maybe for a happy middle ground, but alas when BP got all their numbers raised it has made AR the winners this week and so badly that GoM and ET have offically stated they’re taking the week off. Plus no one every considers going to a server that’s losing, but just several brackets up with more population to work with.

Anyhow, good luck to you guys up in T5 and I sincerely hope it works out for you there. T8 now looks to be something like this is a month: FC/ET/Kaineng

I’ll be talking with my guildies tonight and having a chat about staying off of ET homelands. I don’t believe any of our guys/gals have been over there, but I’ll chat to be sure. I don’t speak for anyone else but EOH on this server and with that being said, I’ll be the first to show respect for the “little guy” because before coming to AR I was on the “little guy” server with the lack of WvW presence. EOH is usually in EB anyways, but last night we got bored and went to GoM BL (a rare thing I might add).

I’m all for giving up real estate and allowing for upgrades in order to get some throwing down in this matchup again. Being all green is for the suxxors and while I do like to occasionally do something in PvE, most of my nights are 6-10 or more hours in WvW (I’m a graduate student so yes I have that much time).

Let’s be proper about this whole situation and give a little to get a little back….heck you never know what kind of respect you can get from something so little.

I support the move to ET campaign because they’re just trying to phone home.

Numbers up sure, but AR isn’t going to get a free ride so to speak. We’ll win this week, but we’ll also be a yo-yo for the next month unless the numbers stay put or increase. Win/Lose/Win/Lose…..at least you Gommies don’t have to bounce up and down from one bracket to the next for the next month.

It’s an unfortunate thing that happened to your server, but human nature even in a video game is to “survive” and not “die” off. People in general can’t deal with demoralizing standards such as losing repetitively or being crushed, so they’ll move to a server that’s winning, even if it’s just for that week. Your only options when this happens is to go with the rest of them, stay where you are, or don’t play the matchup (throwing it).

Of course AR is enjoying a green map now….they’ve been fighting like a champ for the past several weeks (that I’ve seen since I got here 4 weeks ago). But, most of us know what’s coming and it isn’t going to be pretty.

I’ve not noticed any new guild tags and anyone can correct me if I’m not right there. There is definitely some new faces though and probably several that jumped ship from both GoM and ET or any other server heading in the downward spiral.

There are people chest thumping in map chat and like I’ve told them, we were here at the demoralization state not too long ago and that we’ll reap what we sow. It’s too bad that people flip servers constantly when things aren’t going well for them….but it isn’t any server’s fault for that…we’ve got no control over who comes or who goes.

There’s several acknowledged terrain bugs in WvW. The best thing you can do is, if you know a server doing it…crush them wherever you can. If you know someone using them to get into towers and such, blacklist them and don’t partake in those takeovers. There’s been several servers that will “turn over” something that was captured with a known exploit….maybe this should be the standard to return to a civilized WvW environment until these new bugs are fixed.

I wondered where PRO came from as there were varying reports on the matter. Which they went to a losing server at the time (6 weeks ago) to Devona’s Rest. Got to run with those guys for a while on DR…seemed like a 50/50 guild (never knew what you were gonna get).

@aimac

I still post here because I still have interests here. I still have friends that play on DR and I still have conversations with them. At the time I felt I did my best for DR and DR did it’s best for everyone and there is no shame is still showing pride for a server that you started out on. Yes I moved up a tier and took like 10 people with me (some later than others and some still thinking about it). And yes, now I have my own “small” guild and my “own” bracket to contend with, but I still feel a yearning to post every now and then in here to “keep the hope alive” that some day I’ll be able to have the rivalry with DR that I once showed towards other servers. Why? Because that’s the nature of this game and how things work within WvW and because as mentioned above, I still have friends on DR and I didn’t burn any bridges when I left. With as much gold and siege that I put into the efforts of DR, I still feel an attachment to the server regardless of where I call “home” now.

And anyone that I know/knew down here on DR that wants a week break….you all let me know in game and I’ll guild ya while you’re visiting AR and it’s massive battles.

/peace
/bow

Great battles tonight in EB, especially GoM defending their overlook….just too many arrow carts to contend with for the time being. I’m sure you’ll make us pay for it later this morning as we’re all starting to log off to go to bed.

To AR, appreciate the comments and general cooperation from several unexpected people this overnight shift. It’s a great feeling to see this server work together and not be a 100% zerg all the time. Now we need to hold some “Siege and You” classes so that some of you that don’t know what to do with what type of siege will know from here on out.

/peace out

Remove siege from being placed in anything other than inner courtyard. Put a “trap” system in place for inside areas.

With the way that SM is laid out, 3 levels, that could alone be where some of the changes were made. Put the Lord up top with his NPC contingent. Setup a “barracks” downstairs that is an objective (2nd floor). 1st floor have a “captain” or other NPC. Give each floor a level of NPC the same as the Lord. Make each floor an obtainable objective but one that can’t be just taken with some siege on the floor above it. Same said for the inner courtyard being a 4th objective. Make taking SM a tiered event and give each tier the ability to have a waypoint or remove the waypoint upgrade totally from SM (for fairness to all sides). SM could be a super huge epic battle but split in such a way to make “culling” less of a side effect of epic battles there.

Granted it’d take some time I’m sure to code it, but man it’d be worth it.

Sorry, didn’t have time for the long drawn out version so the short version gets the idea accross. Yes, Kaineng deserved the win that week, but is that to say that DR hasn’t deserved every win since then? DR did get a guild, and then got some more. Some have left since and gone to Kaineng or FC. The populations are shifting but still DR wins.

At the time there were a lot of hacks/exploits and other items going on, but it wasn’t just Kaineng as all found out. Every server was suffering from some Dink that thought it’d be cool to force a win for their server or use unsavory tactics to gain an advantage and DR was not shielded from it eventually. Orbs gone and it’s still going on, on many servers especially the new one with terrain and getting into hills and other locations without anyone knowing until you’re attacking the keep lord. Unfortunately for Kain, people got caught and it was made public, just like when they got caught on DR for the underground bug…it was screenied, reported and made public. You can’t fault a human system for wanting “justice” for people that can’t play the game as it was made to be played. Accusations aside (because every server in T8 made them and posted them)…when even just one person posts such a thing on these forums and people post in said thread going Yea baby and all that jazz, that’s the server “agreeing” to said tactic, whether you did or did not. It’s like a jury…not everyone has to agree, but they all have to make a decision.

Crafty idea…and would give epic battles for sure. Still wouldn’t fix the culling problem though unless each section was on its own server. FPS problems are related to peoples’ setups and not so much the game. It’s like a convo I had last night….you shouldn’t play GW2 on a 300 buck laptop or cheapy computer because you will get what you paid for.

@Dov

Some were asking about that last night, but totally understandable given the current scoring. Golems are fun, but that should be a video moment just for S&G’s.

I totally get where you guys are coming from. Unfortunately though it only takes one bad “weed” to ruin the grass. And also an unfortunate turn of events a “majority” of a server approving said “message” lays on the whole server, much like a guildmate that uses unsavory tactics and puts a blackeye on their guild and those in said guild “approve” the individual but not the tactic.

But as I have said before, I hold no ill will towards DR or my former guild, but I can’t wait till they move up in T7 if we don’t get moved up….it’s going to be a blast fighting those that I was side by side and them learning about a few new tricks of battle that they don’t know about yet… wink

The amount of prints you get from the JP is hardly enough to lead a revolution in WvW. It’s far easier to kill a few players for the 6s for one print…imagine the silver and badges for ganking a zerg or killing a zerg at a huge defensive location where they all go in one big egg basket.

Being whacked in the JP is the same idea of burning the ant with the magnifying glass….it’s being done because “they can”. A vicious cycle (circle) of what was done to them and now will be passed on to you which you’ll pass on to someone else possibly (50/50). Is it wrong….not really in a pvp situation. Is it cool…only if you’re a child like mind that liked “boom headshot”.

As a former DR player (I moved and it’s great one tier up), I can see where Kaineng would believe that they are being bullied. I can also bring up that just a short 6 weeks ago, Kaineng won their first matchup and plastered the forums with videos and posts about it. It was at that point that Kaineng (whether everyone wanted it or not) “approved” the use of boasting and then became permanent targets to those on DR and even FC when they field the numbers. In all honestly, whether [KAIN] was there or not, the Kaineng server dominated at that point in time and made it a purposeful point to completely and utterly dominate only DR and its, inexperenced, weak, and low numbers. While that was only for a week or two, the point here is that the Kaineng server is reaping what it sowed weeks ago. In a war situation you always take out your strongest enemy to make the point in hopes to make everyone else retreat with submission.

To leave a matchup because you’re overwhelmed is just being…well for lack of better wording…childish. This week in T7 we’ve got a Kaineng equivalent (GoM) and Eredon Terrace just arrived with their low numbers. I play EB only now and I can tell you that ET with the lowest numbers (only seen like 30 last night) was able to take SM from a large force and was able to put up more of a fight with less than half the numbers. I know it sucks to lose….god do I know from all the weeks on DR that we lost…but we were still there spending gold on siege that we proclaimed we would never do again and WvWing when we said we were through. So my solution to you is, stay there, leave and find another server that isn’t as demoralizing to you, or combine your server’s numbers with FC if you’re wanting to stay in T8. I know everyone is “mad” about the server transfer thing and claims server pride, but you can still keep that pride no matter where you go (if it was your home server originally). I left DR and don’t regret it. I mean some people on AR are idiots, but you run into those everywhere, but it still doesn’t mean that I don’t hold my home server as a place that started my journey to WvW and now leading skirmishes, battles, and defensives. By all means if you need a WvW break, go PvE, make some gold up for next week, etc and so on….but remember you reap what you sow and DR will move up and reap what they’re sowing now.

PS I hope DR moves up soon because I have some presents for old guildies and old servermates….wink

@GSS

Actually I know of two guilds that transfered to BP in last week’s matchup, but I have no doubt that you had several people getting done with PvE that added to your overall compliment of players for WvW. I’ll even admit that I believe that someone transferred to AR last night (a guild) because I’ve seen some new names in WvW and PvE and a couple new guild names that I’ve not seen here in the last 4 weeks.

The difference here is, that people on AR are likely to admit that they got some transfers to the server and won’t pull that “we don’t have any more players here” garbage. There’s a difference between 20 new WvWer’s and 50-60 new WvWers. I remember when BP was in the last Tier and I remember the numbers that BP had then. We can all dodge the ending result, but we all know that any server that has a potential population explosion (that’s noticable) that it likely resulted from transfers….not from people getting done with PvE.

That said if I actually (me) said something hypocritical, then I apologize on my part. I can only report on what I (me) see when out on the battlefield and when I’m PvE farming and see new names and have new conversations about WvW.

@general convo

I thought for sure the anet guy was playing with GoM because somehow AR got reported for using a bug or any of that other nonsense. It’s my first time seeing anyone with the icon playing in WvW, though that’s not to say that they don’t regularily do it and that they don’t have the right to play obviously. They were on a Charr Engineer and that icon just made for a bullseye, plus hey he fired first

I see we’ve lost SM as of the posted screenie above, but I figured that was coming due to dwindling numbers even at around 2am EST. At least we know that we’ve got the people to hold it during the primetime hours.

Great defense at SM tonight on AR’s part. It’s probably one of the first and few times I’ve seen this server working together to keep something as grand as SM. Plus with most, if not all, of our EB towers upgraded to their fullest extent…that’s a huge change over weeks past.

Many thanks to some of the peeps from Blackmire Group [BG] that we’re running near/with me to help build siege and do SM repairs…it’s always nice to have some extra help. Grats to AR in EB for holding it together and playing like champs. I hope that this isn’t because we’re the “winning” server this week and that it’s more because everyone finally decided to get along for the greater good of the server.

And, thanks Anet guy on GoM for letting me spike you….it was the highlight of my night.

I noticed GoM had a Anet guy running with their zerg tonight at SM….

A lot of AR’s numbers are coming from people getting done with PvE and just coming into WvW. We’ve seen a lot of people asking about what to do because they’re asking where to go, what to do. AR has always had numbers as well, but lack of organization. It’s gotten better…I’ll be first to admit to it. People are starting to work together that may not like each other for the betterment of the server.

I personally felt that this week we were going to be kinda heavy for this weekend, maybe a prediction…who knows. We’ll see how it goes for the week though.

They could easily impose restrictions, but the problem with restrictions of population on the maps is for instance:

Anet puts max pop cap to be even with another pop cap for each server in question. 5 people log into map and tell everyone else to stay out. This means that only 5 people from other two said maps (10 combined) can log into said map(s). That would alienate the rest of the wvw population.

Anet caps wvw off at a certain limit (similar to the queues). Alienates wvw population again because only X people could get in.

Unfortunately in order to keep it “fair” for everyone they have to leave the population caps alone and the landslides just are collateral damage from the resulting lack of people from one side or another. Also people play a large factor in this as well because human’s aren’t built to “lose” so they flock to winning servers in order to not lose even though this has no bearing on life.

@Light

Heard about that….was something like mass suicides you read about.

I saw HoD, but unfortunately for them, even with their declining ranks, they still have quite a bit of “rating” to lose before they’ll start dropping like a brick.

I remember a few people last night talking about how they needed vistas that were in BP territory…and now you’ll have access to them.

So this week is different for us here in Tier 7 with the addition of Eredon Terrace in our bracket (sorry you guys had so many transfers off) and BP moving up into Tier 6. So this week we have a different game plan going on and hopefully we’ll see some activity out of you guys on ET and maybe you’ll pick up some guilds.

So this week in mind, what do you hope to see out of this matchup? Have your plans changed on strategy or will they be implemented the same way? Who do you think will be gunned after the most?

See you guys on the battlefield in 5 hours…

/bow

Let’s keep it classy!

I’m just saying, that you’re thinking that if you get enough people that you’ll be able to just “instantly” move up with Devona and keep fighting them….when actually what’s going to happen is because of your points rating at the moment even if you did manage to pull 300k weeks, you’d still be in T8 not fighting the people that you’ve grown accustomed to fighting against. Even though DR threw the match this week, they’re getting bumped up in probably 2 matches because of the decline of ET alone.

Of course I have no problem whatsoever with a band of people staying on their “home” server….that’s your personal preference. I’m just saying with the thoughts of merging multiple guilds and forming an alliance on another server, maybe you should consider moving to another server that suits your interests and still allows you to be into that “homely” feeling. Plus you’d still be fighting against DR but with more people.

Move to Anvil Rock…you’ll give them the night time coverage they need and you’ll still be able to fight against DR when they move up

I’d like to see it at SM. I know it’s got walls, but it’s in the center of the map and each side has 4 towers, a garrison, and 2 camps to work with to make a massive huge EPIC siege event against BP. Course that does cost a good bit and we’d have to have a multiple server “truce” to allow for each respective corner’s to be “built up” in order to have that battle.

No dancing on corpses, no crap talk, just fun and /bows.

The other thing one has to consider is…everytime you launch your AOE, it doesn’t necessarily hit the same 5 targets again. Every video game since D&D uses a /roll system that just randomizes what’s going to get hit. If you have 10 people in an egg basket and you use said AOE’s the first time and hit the 5 limit, the second AOE is going to hit again only about 50% of the first 5, and 50% of another 5 that were unaffected the first time. In essence it ends up being a round robin on who gets hit with AOE, unless said target(s) have no ways to “deflect” the AOE’s.

Turn off shadows, they eat a lot of processing power.

If that doesn’t work, make sure you have more than 4gigs of ram. Ideally a game like GW2 with high resolution will require no less than 8gigs of system ram and no less than 2GB of video ram.

The only time I ever see any kind of lag in WvW is when I’m in SM with two other servers in a 3 way battle with 50+ players per side. Otherwise, there is no sight of the lag monster.

I run a laptop with 16gigs system ram, 2g dedicated video and turn shadows off. My FPS is like 50 in zerg fights unless the before mentioned SM battles go on, in which my FPS is like 15 and I have 2 sec delay’s on spells.

I’d have to guess because of two factors:

One: Because a player with an AOE that would affect more than 5 targets at once would be OP.

Two: Because if WvW siege could hit more than 5 players at once it’d be OP.

I think the primary problem with a lot of these threads are that, after explaining that if a guild moves to a winning server, they’re just creating more of a landslide than what was already present. Such as a week back some guild wanted to move to a server that had a challenge and servers with failing WvW numbers all said hey we’re pretty good but we could use more numbers. Said guild went to a faceroll server and created even more of a faceroll.

If you want a challenge and want to know that you can make a difference, I’d choose any of the “losing badly” servers which can be seen here: http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Also from that chart you can see which servers are obviously the most competitive by their close weekly numbers. HoD and ET are going to plummet into T8 at the rate that they’re not getting numbers for their weekly matchups. The current T8 servers have fierce competition on all the servers though DR will be moving up in the next month regardless if they throw another match or not because of ET and HoD coming down. The t7 matchups are changing this next matchup and will again change in the next two weeks where Anvil Rock will be suffering from a lack of population in WvW problem when bumped up into T6.

Ultimately, it’s your choice and how well your guild can handle demoralizing servers that don’t “have it together”. If you think you can deal with a challenge, go to any of the losing servers. If you can’t, then find another faceroll server like the last several movers did.

@Kardia

Yes, that was us. We wanted to show that with a little D on a small tower and the right siege and upgrades that things actually can be kept in WvW, let alone EB which is high contested real estate. And, that it is possible to make money, experience, and karma through guarding said towers. Even though I fully upgraded that tower, I still came out even at the end of the night with upgrades and siege placed. I know it’s only A tower, but it’s one that nobody had to worry about keeping because it was handled.

Thanks to all the EOH guildies that joined us last night in keeping QL a blue tower and Hyleks and Danelon. Thanks to others that came by and commented and learned something about the siege out front.

It would have been really nice to see one of those huge zergs at least “try” to take Quentin Lake last night during primetime….but everytime they ran through it was either to Danelon or right past back up north to mess with Durios or ARV garrison. Though we did manage to pick a few of them off or so everytime they passed by and most of our guildies managed to walk away +2-3 gold from defending that tower, flipping hyleks back every chance and taking Danelon back often.

/cheers

“Sponsored”….

And DR doesn’t need anymore. You’ll be fine when you move up, the population of current will be sufficient to compete in T7.

4 week out predictions arethe following:

T6: SF/BP/AR
T7: HoD/ET/DR
T8: GoM/Kaineng/FC

DR will be moving up, even if you try to throw the match again to stay in your tier (not my words so don’t shoot the messenger). T6 next week is already slated to be SF/BP/HoD with T7 being AR/ET/GoM. If you guys want to make a crushing difference in some super alliance, go to GOM where they’ve been crushed by guilds leaving their server, or either ET or HoD. Though I must say that T7 is as competitve as T8 used to be before DR got all those transfers….just saying.

Oh yea, and high and thanks to the guys that were on GoM this past week for having some good sportsmanship fights with my EOH guys at camps.

Most people that don’t care about the money aspect of WvW won’t go to a losing server because they can’t handle the thought of losing even though they themselves may be “winners”. It’s a morale problem that guild leaders are faced with especially in running with groups of people they may know in RL or people that they’ve come accustomed to calling family. It’s human nature to be competitive, but it isn’t in human nature to just roll over and die. Thus why you’ll see many guilds going to the winning servers not only for a huge chest thumping session, but also to raise their morale and other things that don’t necessarily have anything to do with playing a video game.

@Wispy, I sent you a PM regarding the issue mentioned above.

EOH was not present for that last night as we were out in Orr doing ore runs and farming the cannon incident in Cursed Shore. The mesmer that got blown through the wall the other night at SM with the 10 golem thing was also out farming near or with us last night as well as I seen the toon multiple times while we were farming different things. What these images above show are the AR alliance guilds using said issue to gain entry to your garrison. EOH is not a part of the alliance…though we have been asked multiple times to join it. However, seeing these images above and our core group’s past with guilds that use these tactics to gain entry to locations or to destroy siege without consequence, EOH will never be a part of an alliance or otherwise that uses such tactics to take something. Most of our people have lots of WvW experience and have no need to use such insulting and petty tactics to get something we want.

Also, from above said images it looks like only the alliance guilds were involved, and only a few of them, so the whole of AR wasn’t involved in said underhanded tactics. I’ve already been down this road before with other guilds leaders and done so in a semi-private manner to deal with the problem at hand….and I’ve seen guildies removed and reported for using said tactics….so I, being me, and we, being my guild/guildies…will never stand for the use of said tactics.

It’s one thing if it was an accident and not intended….it’s another when it is blatently used over and over again.

@Bearded, I think you have me confused for someone that cares about your ill fated opinion. You think you saw me portal, but in actuality, I was still very much there when the tower was attacked and rolled through by the zerg. SM was a prime target, but unfortunately for Anvil Rock, the alliance tells…no rather, demands, that everyone stay away from SM because it is “not obtainable” by the many comments on it every night in EB. I don’t know what it’s like for you all not having had the opportunity of taking SM, and keeping it for days on end, I have been a part of that experience and have many defenses of SM to show for it and often against far greater numbers than what you guys face on a nightly basis.

You attempted to call me out….it was a failed attempt. Your time frames are off on captures and defending and of exactly what was going on at the time. Besides, honestly if you were standing on top of me, which you were, how do you really know what was going on. I mean, afterall at your admittance, you were inside the keep watching me and what I was doing…which means that you weren’t even in the “front” of the battle.