Guild Wars 2

Oh yea and nice 1v1 when available to that thief from iSpy that was messing around Redbriar Tower on DLBL early this morning….you still got people to come out for you even though they knew you were baiting them. (WoW mentality I guess of the “kill”).

So telling everyone to have some cookies because it’ll make you feel better was apparently reported by someone in this thread….really people. So to add to HAVE SOME COOKIES, I guess I’ll have to ADD some MEAT to my post.

So there I was late (early) this morning trying to do my part in WvW and I decide to go over to EB because I hear how there is all this nagging going on over chat over the defense of stonemist. I get there and everything is chaos as usual. Commanders with and without icons quarreling with each other and ego’s inflated. Whilst everyone is griping about the walls are down, watch out their pushing this door, etc etc….NOBODY thought to work on upgrades far before this point and NOBODY sieged up the lord’s room. At the very least instead of waiting until the enemy was on your doorstep, the doors should have already been upgraded. But, some well placed siege in that lord’s room can keep out armies of people and golems (been there killed em a lot).

Another pet peeve I think I have is, if you as an individual or a guild claim a tower/keep/castle (and that goes for anyone in the guild I am in as well), you’d better have some coin to upgrade that sucker. Don’t pee in the sand and leave it to waste, at least make an effort to upgrade what you’ve made claim to. Now, any guild that wants to send me in game donations for my efforts of upgrading your towers/keeps/castle…may do so, especially whoever claimed Bay last night and left it completely undefended and non-upgraded.

It may be a small thing, and some may not think about it, but stop claiming stuff and not working it out. Oh yeah and quit bickering amongst yourselves in /T if you’re a commander with or without an icon, as it shows poorly your ability to handle stress under fire. Especially that kid that everyone doesn’t like that NERD RAGES offline.

If you want to be the “underdog” again, I’d suggest going to the bottom tier; Ferg Crossing, Dev Rest or Kaineng. These three servers have been matched up for the past 3 weeks and probably will be next week. Right now Ferg Crossing is the “underdog” in the matchup. These are technically the worst servers for population right now, but if you read about our battles (which can be epic most nights), you may like it down here with the bottom feeders.

@Darek

No one would judge you if you left Ferg, if the numbers are that low. Players that strive to be active in WvW should be happy and go where the “fun” is. Heck, maybe leaving a server to prove a point to Anet about these transfers for free and decimating a population is the point that they need to see. I actually found some raw data somewhere where transfers are supposed to be costing 500 gems to go to low pop, 1000 for med pop, and 1800 for high pop servers. So that’s like between 7 to 25 bucks to transfer per person. There are many out there that probably would pay, but there’s a lot of there that wouldn’t or couldn’t.

No matter what anyone says about the “pride” of their community, home is where the heart is. And, if you’re heart isn’t into WvW because of lack of population, then find a home with one of your rival servers where you semi know the types of players that are already there. This way you’re still in your overall community (being this tier).

This halloween event has really dogged the crud outta WvW this week.

That’s nice, my first giggle of the day. Should the girls be “peaks”, lol.

Get rid of all the Guardians….no wait, that’s be extreme. Transplant all the Guardians to a sister guild…no wait that’d just take em off the tag.

Joking aside, go through your list of Guardians and just start asking questions. If you believe them, keep em. If you don’t, boot em and rebuild if necessary.

I thought the constant in guild recruiting was chocolate chip cookies? Just saying…

I also suspect there is some manipulation to keep the brackets the same for next week.

That’s because today is the day that all of DR"s commanders decided they were going to fight amongst themselves….at least it was like this until about 3pm EST.

Forced shutdown an hour into reset….discuss.

There’s another thread too…just letting ya know

I believe this is our matchup again this week. What do you hope to see in this next match?

Sadly I had just logged on, noticed the X on the keep, and went over to check it out. Upon arrival I was the only one there. Apparently the M button it overrated. Someone was calling for a commander a bit ago and I said you don’t need one, do the DR thing, come together, have spotters, give enemy numbers, build siege in what you want to keep and make sure it’s manned. I’ve had like 5 hours of sleep, so I’m in a bleh state.

Definite lack of defense during the day. EH just taken on DRBL due to lack of defenders/spotters, and lack of anyone watching out. Kain ninja’d the south gate (not large X) then when the door was about down popped the rest of their peeps on the gate. Even with saying “yo EH is under attack” and putting down siege, only a few (3-5) showed up to try to assist. I put down 12 siege items, not including the siege that was still up on the south wall from overnight, and no one was there to man it.

Actually, if you knew DR’s history, you’d know it wasn’t a WvW problem per se, it was a population problem and the fact that most of our players are “primetime” players. DR hit the bottom of the WvW realm because of a crushing numbers game played well by the Kaineng server. If their Asian guild had stayed in numbers I do believe that this week’s score would have been more of a struggle between DR with the influx of PRO and Kaineng with that huge guild that left before this match up.

There are crappy commanders on DR, everyone knows it. But, there are crappy commanders everywhere. There’s a huge egotistical battle going on here on these forums now that “commanders” are starting to hash out their differences. Abuses set aside (because a lot of people are doing it whether they admit to it or not), not knowing a server’s full history before spouting off guesses of the reasons “why” and “why not” a server has done or has not done isn’t going to cut it. There is an elitist atmosphere cropping up with these headbutting bouts between the guilds/commanders/and otherwise. The people of DR have always fought on whether being dead last or even in their moments of complaining. “We” complain a lot, but yet you see us out there taking a beating every day/night and doing it in full circle all over again.

Now I read the rest of the statement after this sentence “PRO is the sole reason this server turned around and won this week. (statement of fact, not just because im in PRO)”. In my personal opinion it would have been better to state that with the addition to PRO to the DR population it boosted our numbers in order to gain a win over a losing status, instead of going “Hey we’re the reason you won this week”. I don’t care how many times you reword this sentence or try to defend your stance on it….you just said that without PRO, DR would never had won anything.

The power of one’s words carry over into the population. Truly could have said it in a much better way with tact, then being a dink about it.

Depends on how you define “win”….

Haha. I know I’ve gotten creamed more often than not by KAIN tagged guys. I can sniper you guys at awesome range, but up close and personal and I’m as bad as a caster in a paper bag.

So hows’ the war today? Plus a shamless bump back to page one

I had the same conversation about many people not to 80 yet or playing other types of characters until they find the one they like the most and getting it to 80. Even though DR has been here for what, 2 months now or so?, a good portion of the server has not hit 80 on their first toon yet. I know people that have multiple 80’s (more than 3) and others that aren’t there yet or have just made 80. I mean it took me about 3 weeks for my first 80 and only like 1.5 weeks for my second, but with all of them I’ve filled my inbetween storyline quests with WvW which is what got me hooked to it. I don’t have a commander’s icon, and I don’t claim to be a leader. I am even harsh in words often, but also optimistic and mostly level headed. I get pee’d off some nights from stupidity (but everyone goes through that at some point). I’ve helped many of the sieges on this server for both homeland and EB and I’m constantly broke from all the siege that I put down for defending our territory.

Before PRO, DR was already moving up. The week before this matchup, we were our own population for the most part and we narrowed that huge point gap. PRO gave us a huge advantage in active WvW population and it is noticable without a doubt. What I don’t want to see, and I don’t speak for everyone on this server of course, is a void left behind should PRO move on to another server. “We” must remember that with large guilds such as this when they come everyone is like Yay, and when they leave everyone is like S***, because it leaves a huge void in the active population or vice versa when coming to said server.

Also, it’d be nice to see some names in signatures so we know who all is giving their opinions here for this bracket. It would be easier then for guilds coming here to know who’s active in the community through the forums and from what guild they are from (whether the messages are good, bad, or trolling in nature). If you’ve got something to say, you may as well make yourself known, not just the use of your account name.

The receiving end of a free transfer (as server doing poorly) isn’t going to say much, because they’re tired of losing (sometimes, some servers don’t care like Devona’s Rest). The problem is, when these huge guilds that have a heavy WvW presence leave a server and literally leave a void after they’ve left which destroys that server’s morale amongst other things related to WvW.

The one week penalty for transferring is an idea that should hold if ever implemented, especially if they continue to allow free transfers. It isn’t the free transfers that are killing servers and scoring, it’s the voids and surpluses of guilds coming and going that are.

DR should live it up this week, because next week who knows if any guilds will leave or transfer off. Will this be the norm? Is this a one time deal like Kain last week?

/tsk tsk at transfers

@JMOR

I don’t have a problem with the good folks…I have a problem with the bad ones and I did state that in a not so “clear” manner (which was my fault). I also don’t have a problem with teamwork as I have grouped with PRO’s people which seemed fine.

A weed continues to grow and causes damage to the things around it until you yank it out and toss it aside. I was calling it like it was shown as of the first and second nights in the battlegrounds. I did say that not everyone was behaving in that manner but that there were a few that were.

Looks like DR got comfy the last few hours…and the numbers show it. DR is spoiled already and is getting the red headed step child treatment atm.

And here I thought we’d move Kain up a tier this week….now DR will just be swapping spots on the bottom.

Ender.3508:

I’ve seen nothing but a “get kitten done” attitude from them since they got here. I’ve seen no attempts from them to belittle any of our server. The one argument I saw was because another commander, leading a zerg wouldn’t stop to defend anything, lost all momentum and wiped while Kain took everything back. He was called out on it by one of [PRO]s commanders and rightly so.

Zergs have their uses if they’re in coordination with structured groups, but just running around with a shiny emblem getting half the manpower on the map to follow you inevitable to their deaths just for a couple camps and a tower only to have it taken back? That’s stupid, and it needs to stop, and frankly I’ll defend anyone in /m who calls the offending commander out.

I can relate to calling someone out when they’re making a mistake and giving constructive criticism when necessary (whether they’ll take it is another matter). And, yes PRO has given us some relaxed fighting ability while doing their thing. However, when you have members of any guild going “We’re from X server and X tactic worked there so I know what I’m talking about, but don’t listen to me” (which came from a member of PRO last night), then what does that say about the guild that X represents. While I can agree that all the maps are the same, and they are by obvious standards, the populations are not.

Again, too many cooks in the kitchen. Everyone wants their veal cooked this way, but are not taking a collective and using it.

Chaster:

We should be so humbled that you HAD to have 5 golems to take anything we have….or in other words, you had to use that to get in against our small numbers.

Thanks for the morale boost…now DR can go on knowing that our enemies must use extreme force to get into our keeps. Course, that could backfire on a well defended keep/tower/castle….just ask those Ferg guys what happened to them two nights ago at SM with their 5 golems…“wink”

Presence and how you deal with the battle makes or breaks your commander status. 100g for the icon DOES NOT make you an instant commander. The problem with a lot of these ‘commanders’ is just that…“I paid my dues, now I’m a commander”. Try again.

There are many good commanders out on the maps nightly from DR that don’t have the icon, but again the problem remains that people would rather zerg for karma and xp than defend what they have or even build anything up to try to defend. You probably get as much XP/Karma from those huge epic battles we’ve had lately in EB defending Stonemist than you do on those XP trains…and best of all, you get more instant gratification for it. You also get a nice load of karma/xp/coin for taking over towers/keeps/SM etc. I’ve heard many guys talking about how they’ve gained over 12 levels the last couple of days from just the EB siege’s alone.

PRO did add numbers, but it also added headaches. That saying of “too many cooks in the kitchen” leads to bearing here. While they were in Kain’s lands most of the night, the few that were not were butting heads with the many of players that have been on DR since day one. You don’t come into someone’s home and pee in their cheerios just because you are a large guild. If anything, you guys at PRO, should have found out who the major WvW players are (guilds) and should have had a conversation with them to break the ice….not pull some (not everyone was doing it) of that Elitist craptasticness that some of your people were (PRO Members in EB). We don’t care what server you have come from (well we might depending)…but you’re on our server and disrespecting people here does not earn you any respect.

Discuss…

Hope we have a better week this week and get more organized and good sportsmanship to all.

From: DR resident

This week’s DR score was pretty much the total of the last two weeks combined. We’re getting are stuff together and more guilds are participating now that they’re getting their first 80’s done. How’d you guys like when DR took that castle in the last 5 hours of the match last night and not only fought off the Ferg defenders but wiped out a Kain crew that thought they’d get an easy steal? I know Kain took that castle literally in the last 10 mins of the event, but still it took a dual effort of two servers with more WvW population to take out most of our crew. I guess what we lack in numbers we’re starting to make up for in quality (kinda like the old US vs USSR thing about the tanks years ago during the cold war years).

I know a lot of people keep saying that Kain is the least population server in the entire game, but I don’t believe that’s the case any longer. When loading up from the world selections most nights during primetime you will find Devona still has the ‘lowest’ population at Medium, whilst everyone else is High. Devona also has the lowest WvW population yet we manage to stay in force during primetime hours. Anyone looking for a challenging server may apply within with any of the currently active WvW guilds or bring your own and coordinate with the guilds that are already here (hence why we’re getting together far more often). We’ve had a few bad moves to this server and some commanders that are a joke…don’t come here if you don’t have your A game on because we don’t need anymore jokers, we need people that can listen and that can lead.

Usually around 8pm EST.

Way to go…more chest beating from Kain’s population. Yes we know “you’re winning”…but you don’t see to be the brightest bulb in the store. Don’t chest beat when the topic hasn’t anything to do with ‘players’ vs. ‘botting’.

Kota…you know I’ll help whenever I’m around and I agree with the bots situation, though I haven’t been spotting them as often lately as times past (probably getting whiped out by those huge Kain zergs). Honestly though we really need the “larger” guilds on DR to get together for a type of summit and talk about what they’re going to bring to the WvW worlds and commitments (if any) that they plan to take. Or, come to a mutal agreement and form ‘the one guild’ for everyone WvW on DR (of course keeping all your old guilds, etc, just representing the one while in WvW).

You don’t need far easterners to get ahead at night. Technically speaking, Europe is 5 to +8 EST depending on where you’re at over there. A lot of the gamers that I used to play with years ago from the UK and such didn’t like being up until 4am EST to run raids and such. So, technically if we had a European presence earlier in our playing day, Kain would not have run of the map for 8 hours “overnight”. 4am EST is 9am GMT (at the moment, Sunday it’ll be a +4 hour jump for something like 2 weeks or so). Not that many UK’ers are going to log in early am, but their afternoon is our morning. Unless you’re a working adult or a student (college or otherwise), you’re not waking up at 6-7am EST for anything and lets face it, most American’s are lazy and don’t get up until noon or so in their respective timezone. This barring anyone having sleep disorders or their addictive GW2 habits have forced them into a different sleeping pattern (happens a lot).

So, DR and FC are either going to need an influx of offset timezone players or we need to gang up on Kain (which is quite literally possible). Or….this next week’s matchup, let Kain go into the next bracket by allowing the win and work on farming gold up for the week after matchup…just saying.

All I can say about Kaineng at this point is, grats on all your recent influx of WvW players, but don’t paint the blackboard white just because it suits you to do so. People know what’s going on whether you want to ‘man’ up to it or not (e.g., following the flow of topics from these forums about what guilds have transferred and to where and how many numbers they had before they moved).

In an overall stance…I don’t think any of it matters. When part of your server (kaineng) is complaining about how these guilds are “ruining” your reputation and community…but yet you’re enjoying reaping benefit of “pwning” the competition…it all becomes a moot point. Right now you’ve got your cake and you’re eating it too.

There’s been much a talk about how there are these non-aggression pacts, etc etc, yet the very same guilds (on both sides) that claim these things are breaking them constantly. It’s a battleground, you can’t agree to not attack or you’d be stuck in the bottom feeders club forever..and YOU know it. Instead of wasting everyone’s time, just be happy, play the game, and hopefully we’ll see your server move from the lower tier of brackets with more and more guilds showing up there. People at DR may gripe a lot about being constantly overrun, but the majority of DR’s WvW playerbase actually like the challenge and it means something to them when they control their BL with the overwhelming numbers that are against them (and they know it therefore being humbled by it).

Remember tho kain, that with your increased size and gaining wins, you’ll eventually become the bottom feeders in another bracket and you’ll be right back at square one. You may not be at the bottom anymore, but your morale sure will be when you’re being pinned yet again because you got too big for your britches.

1) (or place a 1 week cooldown on WvW activities as a punishment for trying to change the direction of a match)

2) (wouldn’t be fair for everyone that would like to play in WvW and to be honest it only takes 5 people to take doors down on keeps/towers/castles…so in theory if there were number balancing, and only 5 people were in WvW, that means only 5 would be allowed from the other two servers each….see the problem with that)

3) (portals and thieves make it interesting, though the amount of “stealth” is kinda crazy. I’m sure Anet was not trying to make a WoW thief which would be why stealth is limited, but there’s so many stealth options that a thief could if planned right stay invis a good portion of the time. Mesmer’s seem really OP in WvW though in general, portals aside).

4) (Or just make the orbs less desirable to have or give a different buff)

5) (I have no better idea here as that would be beneficial to the players that come forward to help build up these keeps/towers…because we that defend and build up these places know that you can literally spend upwards of 6g on a keep and around 3g on a tower just for the upgrades).

6) (Would create lag. There’s plenty of “free” server programs out there that people have access to.)

7) (This is a double-edged sword. Why not instead give us the upgrade ability to strengthen doors to the same level that the T3 walls can go to. That would make the door just as hard to get through as the walls and would make it to where it would take more effort than just a few people to take a door down).

8) (Agree).

9) (Some of this is if you don’t control the nodes in your primary map. The rest of this I’ve read is because you’re not meant to have siege permanently…a currency sink if you will).

10) (This would be nice, but, they’d have to make sure that you couldn’t just turn it on or off. I would recommend that if this were enabled, that a 48 hour cooldown was placed on the switchability of it…this way your new friend can’t take advantage of the system and go foe from inside your newly acquired keep or tower. Also, when join ventures are taken both sides involved should get the points for those pieces of property as well as on the map it should show half one color, half the other on the property taken.)

11) (This should be an option, but just to point out, Toughness is the universal protection against NPCs and Players. If anything maybe the PvP gear needs to go like many other games have where the PvP gear has a specific stat that only gives protection against players.)

12) (In the current state, to be honest, a wooden door could be “axed, burned, etc” and those are real life mechanics. Give gates the ability to be upgraded to a third tier where only siege can be used to tear it down, that would add a nice option to defense vs. attacking. Also, the hitpoints on cannons/oil/mortars should be doubled at least. As it stands right now, you can destroy a tower/keep’s ability to defend with very little resistance. Make attackers work harder to take something so when they do they really can take that gratification to the bank).

13) (Agree. Or larger raids. It’s not like we need to see their health bars as you can scroll over a person and get that. It would just be nice to get more like-minded individuals on your attack team than be forced to try to get 5 separate groups to figure out what you’re doing).

14) (How about instead they added the ability to transfer supplies from camps you own to keeps/towers/castle. In other words, if you can successfully defend a camp line between your property and that camp, you should be able to run supplies back to your defense point and deposit them into the main supply which would make up for that idiot that wipes your supply out at a keep/tower with upgrades that aren’t necessary during a defense campaign).

15) (Workers should be repairing anything that has been hit but not destroyed when there is supply to do it. I think this was bad implementation on Anet’s part. Like when cannon’s re-appear or the oil bin after being destroyed, those workers should be doing their NPC job and getting those defenses back up. However in terms of when something has been destroyed, a player should have to initiate the first repair sequence while the siege is still going on, much like your ability to repair a gate while it is being sieged).

DR’s got too many cooks in the kitchen during their “primetime”…and that leads to disorganization. Plus, all those pretty blue gems on the map automatically create zerg squads…even when certain people do delegate representatives to “command” separate areas of the map as to ease the chain of command (sometimes it is actually present). Once those commanders flip their eye candy on, it’s pretty much zerg…“when are we going to EB”…or any number of hinderances that exist within DR’s ranks. There are plenty of guilds that have ‘stepped up’ in the last couple weeks, but as far as I’ve seen, none of these guilds are really truly working together to achieve the same ideals or goals. I, like many, have not seen the inside of a dungeon…play a lot of WvW, and don’t care for sPvP.

Now not all the commanders that we have are idiots and do their best to delegate…but until the players on this server want to listen to people that may actually have a good idea of what’s going on and how to defend (when necessary and it is with DR’s low outcome in population)…DR will be resting in the bottom feeders club.

Maybe…maybe not. Not many on right now for DR. Maybe it’s all the active guilds Kain got recently and those that transferred off DR/Ferg to Kain. Maybe it’s something else. Maybe we’re messing with you and want you to leave our bracket this next week…..so many questions, so little time.

That sounds kinda like the usual, “I’m bigger, so I’m going to **** you up” mentality. I mean it’s a video game….why get butthurt over someone spying…every frigging server in this game is using the “spy game” on other servers, just some are doing it with tact.

Even if DR had good leadership, which there are many “good” leaders on our server…the problem is the kitten idiots that can’t read, have their chat turned off and follow the zerg, or blatently don’t give a crap and are deliberately causing grief just because they can.

And in speaking of “respectful guilds”…no respectful guild would take on members from a recent server transfer to take advantage of the “I win” tactics that are WvWvW right now. I’m not saying anyone in this thread’s particular guild has done so, but Kaineng has been a recent transfer destination for many guilds from both of the recent WvWvW matchups against DR. In saying that, any guild that condones this, is just as guilty as any of the other crap going on.