Guild Wars 2

DR won’t be coming up a bracket for at least 2 consecutive matchups, so it’ll be more of beating each other up. You’ll definitely be up against AR in the next bracket, but unsure how the tide is going to turn as BP got a boost this week and are ahead thus far.

Supposedly a guild from DR went back to BP for this matchup, tho I don’t know how many of them returned and what guild specifically.

Not talking about adding the ability to be a commander based on rank, as that would piss everyone off that’s spent 100g. What were are talking about (and correct me if I’m wrong Shan) is a system that adds a little more “gratification” to being present in WvW a lot of the time and not basing that system purely on the killing of other players.

In the original wow system, a player had to get a certain amount of kills (honor points) every week in order to maintain the rank level. In order to advance they had to do more than the maintainence level. Of course the wow system also gave vendors that per rank you could get rank specific gear and each ranked gear looked a tad different (either complete mesh look or colorations). The highest rank was Grand Marshall (for ally, and forget the horde side one). There could only be “one” of that rank back then for each side.

A system that employed ranks with doing more than killing would be excellent and would give that “gratification” that people are looking for in WvW. But that system would have to be built in such a way that it would be difficult to exploit but yet be challenging and maintainable.

I also agree that 100g doesn’t make a commander, but their actions and wisdom on the battlefield. After all leaders lead, not follow, like I see so many ICON’s do.

Well they could always do what WoW did originally (before all the xpacs). A system where if you don’t maintain a certain amount of "HK"’s per week of fighting you lost the rank. In this case it’d have to be far more aggressive so that you can’t just keep the rank based on showing up…possibly change the objectives for which you need to keep it, such as Defending X things, Taking X things, etc etc.

/sign

Also miss some sort of ranking system for this type of PvP that is present in all other games I’ve ever PvPd.

@Brunn

I did leave DR, but it doesn’t mean that I can’t still show my pride for the community that I came up in. GASM wasn’t weak with or without me. There are people within that guild that have the ability to be a commander, and why they are not yet is still a mystery. If you knew me though, you’d know I’m not about the points in WvW….that’s not me at all.

What I am about is the play, the defense, the strategy. I moved up a bracket for a “change” of pace, and a change it is. It’s like DR was 5 weeks ago, unstable, all commanders hate each other, and people talking down on those that don’t have Icon and aren’t “from” the server. For better or for worse, the additions to DR gave DR the leg up and DR learned from several of those people new strategies. DR will be moving up, so you will see me again soon, but instead of being by your side, I’ll be the enemy trying to out strategize you.

Fun fun times coming.

High pop = huge queues. Nobody that’s had competitive PvP in a lower bracket would give that up for huge queues. I remember fighting BP once or twice in the bottom bracket from the least populated WvW server in the game and it was hard then. Lately though I’ve noticed BP not as “active” as they were then, sure in groves at specific times, but not like then…but then again much has changed in 2 months too. If BP gets bumped down into the bottom bracket you guys will be fine. Kain and FC are suffering from major guild xfers off their servers for “greener” waters, and DR will be moving up in a couple to three weeks anyways at the rate they’re pulling now with full map domination for 75% of the day.

Holy COW…what has happened in a day?

Anyways, since I still love my home server here’s a head up for DR in the weeks to come when you finally get the numbers to move up a bracket. DR at this point will be replacing BP and GoM will no longer be in the above bracket and will be replaced with Sorrow’s Furnace. AR is a middle server and will likely be in this next up bracket for some time. They’ve got enough show to stay middle, but they lack organization to move up and could potentially go down after DR shows up in the next bracket. Ar suffers from the same problems that DR did before everyone “got it”.

@Brunn

Everyone recognizes GASM on more levels than you know. Draygo has personal hand knowledge of the “problem” in GASM, because he’s the one that “found” it. I have only respect for Draygo because it was brought to attention without being put through the ringer here…and it may say that way as long as it remains not a constant brought up matter. GASM will rebound, but I hear Gasmic is no longer the GL anyways, that it was passed over to Sara.

Anyways, keep the train going….I’m waiting at the station still.

/peace

It might be worth adding that you can’t transfer to FULL servers….so if you’re in the BP bracket now, you can only go down at this time which means bottom tier (Kain/DR/FC). Out of those three I’d highly recommend going to either Kain or FC, but FC could really use some active people right now and DR will be coming up into the BP/AR bracket in about 2-3 weeks depending on their numbers these next couple weeks.

I miss you guys already….at least epic battles could be fought with coordination and effort and all our commanders (icon and not) would stick with it for more than one battle. Plus everyone works together for the most part….these guys on AR suxxors with that one.

Who wants meh if I come back…I know Kain threw out a request, but I’d rather go to FC…

@Godfather

Tell ya what…when I see it…I’ll be the first to hand it to ya.

I’ve seen the server numbers, they’re there. However, you’ve got people that don’t even know what they’re doing and just follow the herd. Has anyone even bothered to “explain” it, or is it expected for them to just “know” it? And, night capping goes a lot of ways…that’s just timezone issues. I actually didn’t say that I came from a top tier server…I said I came from a competitive server that was in the failsauce situation that AR is having right now. Being that AR has been around before launch day the numbers present should be sufficient, however it appears that many don’t know what to do. Heck, guys are running around your server that don’t even know how to use supplies or that it’s important to carry them at all times, not take sups from towers/keeps unless building/rebuilding siege.

Personally I’ve not seen a lot of siege placement and I’ve been running all over the maps. Also, I’ve been in the not enough people to man or run the field of play and it is easily overcome with a little more effort and coordination. People don’t come to defend when asked and when they do show up, it’s far too late to do anything about it.

I have been talking to leaders, people within other guilds, people carrying icons, people that have gotten people together without an icon or guild. They’re telling me that you guys that think you’re the “stuff” are half the problem with the server. The other half of it is unpleasant explicitives of what they think. So the real question is, are you “leaders” listening to your server population? Because, again, not to be blunt…but your servermates don’t believe you are…that you’ve gotten too big for your britches and forgot about the “little” folk.

@Godfather

All servers that play WvW this way…have the same problem. Doesn’t matter if I’ve been here an hour, two days, or a week….the problem is, lack of sustainable leadership (committment to the cause). You all fight amongst yourselves more than you go after objectives. Plus, this server (AR) is full of zerg ICONS. I watched last night as many of your commanders would take, leave, move on to next objective and after one pass would log out or leave.

If you want to keep things on your map, let alone any other map, you’ll learn to take some constructive criticism from players that have been on more competitive worlds that know of things that you may not know or can see outside the box because you all are too blind to realize that you’re beating your chests and no sound is coming out.

From experience, DR too was a “bad” WvW server…and they aren’t any longer. They learned to suck it up and work with others, not run off at the mouth as soon as someone said hey try this it may work better. If you want to stay in the suck zone, keep doing what you’re doing. If you want to learn the mechanics of WvW and how to stay ahead, listen to some advice.

@dirty

Nah, from what I’ve seen they’re online but they don’t have any organization…it’s a wonder that a zerg manages to take anything. Tho they admittedly say they don’t keep what they take….so I guess a chest is needed for the medals here.

@Swiftwing

Oh I know DR won’t be up in here for at least two more matchups, three max. I’m just liking the activity of this bracket especially in the over night hours where on DR it would die off almost to nothing until the Asian guilds on Kaineng showed up about 5-7am EST. I have noticed AR is lacking in leadership and that most of the “big” zergs are made up of several guilds…there isn’t a powerhouse guild on the server that I can see (which isn’t a bad thing).

/wave

So I’m new to this bracket and hopefully from what I’ve seen thus far (last night) that the nice fights, defenses, and less running away will go on.

What are your thoughts for this week’s matchup and brief reflections on this past week that you’d like to see again for this matchup?

/bow

Good job DR…now keep working this hard for a couple more weeks so I can fight you all in the next bracket…

/wave /bow

Yea, would never go to Kain. If I had stayed same bracket it’d been going down to the bottom where they need people the most. However, that said I’ve moved up a bracket and I’ll see you guys when you get up to it in a couple week.

/Peace Out
Xan

Fairwell Devona….I’ll see you guys when you make it to the next bracket and I get to fight against yous. It’s been some fun fun times and hopefully you won’t make me wait too long…

/salute /wave

DR will not be going up a bracket for some time. DR still does not meet the +1000 points of average tally to make it up a bracket and probably won’t for at least 3 more weeks. So, the battle’s will be the same for that long at least unless for some astonishing reason DR pulls off at 500,000 point win for two weeks straight.

I wasn’t aware that DR had picked up a couple more guilds as I’ve not seen them yet out there, but I’m sure I will. 20-40 more active WvW players isn’t going to give DR an advantage as there is still a lot of work to do on getting rid of the zerg and creating a balanced working team. Even with orbs gone, many people admittedly follow the blue icon over following a “plan”. It’s a guild size like 50-90 more active WvWers that’ll make it a landslide difference in our “small” bracket for any server.

Maybe I should leave DR and head to FC, though I doubt that’d be enough to change the balance….

I notice numbers after about 10pm EST and a pretty decent “night” crew for all, cept ferg, until about 6am EST. Then I notice the SoS guys around 7am and afterwards. Course that’s here lately….don’t know what it was like before that.

Keep it going Dred….it shows server pride and community effort. It’s what we want here despite the hecklers that don’t like it.

@Neal

I already know iSPY is notorious for using it, as I run into many 1v1’s from iSPY here lately that do it. Take that to the bank!

So, what’s up with all the Kain’s Alt F4ing outta fights. I mean I know what it prevents….but just take it like a man.

Well I guess technically it would be a morning crew since anything after midnight is “morning” anyways. I’m just used to the primetime shift…I’ve recently fell from that shift for poor sleeping habits to the overnight crew.

Where’s Kain’s night crew? It’s like a ghost town out here in EB…

Some of the claims of haxxors have been confounded to be true. Screenies were not posted because they are under investigation as such and those that used them need to be caught, not warned. You all know who you are, and it isn’t just Kaineng doing it. It was brought to my attention last night that there are members of our community using the same haxxors and those individuals have been reported as well. We also confirmed the warrior ranged dmg bug and have seen it in action. It’s a sad state when a bottom tier of servers that were doing so well in epic fights and comradarie and just generally being mostly respectful to one another have to resort to such low tactics in order to get a heads up in these battles. People like to pull the L2P on people all the time on these forums, yet those same people know people that are using these hacks and exploits. Who needs to learn to play now? Granted some of these questionable “you hacked, you exploited” measures were not confirmed and that’s unfortunate. However, even our lower bracket is not immune to the effects of stupidity and the use of these game breaking things.

Now people may have become butthurt over the several posts that I’ve made in this thread regarding the hacks and exploits that I clearly saw and others have said I should have kept it private. I believe that the community as a whole needed to know that we’ve been invaded by those that don’t share the same respect that we’ve shown for each other in past week. Whether you like it or not is your problem. Facts are facts and when we start seeing people disappear from game without explaination, we’ll then know who’s reports went through and were proven to be as said.

@Skarloc

I don’t know about other servers, but I do know that there are members of GASM that played DAoC and some of us that have been around since the days of UO in MMO’s. While we’d always enjoy having more, we know that as a community Ferg’s Crossing has the least WvW population at the moment and they could most certainly use more like-minded inviduals with a plan.

Your choice of course though.

Correct me if I’m wrong Dred, but doesn’t PRO only have like 40 active WvW’ers on an their maximum effectiveness? But, that PRO itself has several members of course.

I am willing to bet that the whole majority of Kaineng guilds have far more active WVW’ers than all of the major guilds on DR have. There is no unbalance, we’re just becoming far more active and have less kiddies during the week in school/college/whatever than Kaineng does. Heck, GASM now has about 30 active WVW’ers when we’re all on at once, maybe a little bit more.

So who’s crying wolf now Kaineng? You wanted guilds…you got them. It isn’t our fault that most of them are children or young adults in a foreign country that makes them go to school long hours and over 200 days per year.

You think only one doing it is bad….how bout a whole party of them doing it. Stacking on top of one another isn’t enough when you’ve got 5 thieves hampering camp capture with that huge ring out there. Lower the ring size, lower the opportunity that they can “hide”.

@thenoobler

Read it, like 34 years ago. I know full well what happened there and I know full well what happens to the wolf as well as the one that gets kitteny. There wasn’t any mention of conspiracy or otherwise. If you’d learn to read and process information you may have come to that conclusion on your own. Being a person such as yourself in a position of guild leadership, you know that whether or not it’s a “newb” to the guild or not, if it’s wrong, it’s wrong. But I hear what you’re saying…you’re telling us what of it, we don’t care….wolves get eaten too, remember that as there is always a bigger predator.

It was brought to attention because it is an apparent problem that was being ignored because of the status of this match. You can call it what you want and say it’s because we’re “losing”, but again…DR wasn’t the ones pounding our chests when we won last week. We gave props where they were due and went on our merry way.

These issues affect everyone, not just the winner or loser(s)…as I’ve stated several times in above replies. If anything YOU have already may YOURSELF look bad with your responses in this thread, but it’s okay…wolf.

It sounds more and more like this is becoming an issue. Perhaps it’s time for a non-entry debuff to be applied for X amount of time (no less than one hour) for the detection of a hard leaving (Alt F4). I’m sure the system can tell the difference between timing out and forcefully leaving. Having a one hour can’t get back into WvW debuff would be great enough that if you’re going to hurt your “team” by using idiotic tactics that just take away from the overall gameplay.

But, then again who knows what’ll come from it. First the orbs, now Alt F4.

@Wolfend

Not sure where the 12k thing came from but okay. Some people were reporting being one-shotted (one hit downed state). If a player has 25k health…what’s hitting them for 25k in one literal hit that isn’t siege, crit, or anymore than one player that isnt’ a thief?

Yea we’re losing, but at least we’re not doing all of the above mentionables. I don’t know you, you don’t know me and we’re certainly not a happy family. The exploiting was there day one and we (being players from DR) have gotten screenies of some of the other stuff going on as of overnight (11/4) and it has been dealt with through the proper channels. Again, I just don’t see why the need for such lame tactics is necessary when you’re “ahead” in the match.

It would seem more like a server was butthurt that they got knocked off their EPIC win that was lambasted all over the forums the matchup before this last one. Not once has anyone from DR plastered videos or otherwise about how EPIC they are. We’re calling it like it is and people aren’t liking it….sue me.

@Wolfend…

Then report, as we do when we see crazyness from other other servers we fight up against. Bots, multi-boxers, sploits….deal with it, don’t let it keep going on. At least we’re manning up enough to report our own players that act out of context…can you do the same?

@Wolfend

Winning or Losing, it doesn’t matter. Employing ‘tactics’ that create a ‘not as intended’ use, is still an abuse. While there are many that would not do such things, there are many others that would. Or to put it blatently…it only takes a few idiots to mess it up for everyone else. We’ll all be ‘punished’ by the few….take the removal of the orbs as a perfect example.

Anet has confirmed that using the invul buff near the camps is “not being used as intended”…as it isn’t in the confines of “your” area of safety. And if I remember correctly they did attempt to move those boundaries back to prevent that from going on, but it seems there’s still some areas that are prone to abuse by certain players.

Still it goes on to question, why does the “winner” have to stoop so low?….you’re winning…

What I don’t get is….Kain, you all are ahead and winning, why now relate to using the alt f4 tactic to bail from a spiking….

Another iSPY doing this just moments ago outside Devona BL Bluewater camp. I just don’t get it…

I’ve got most of the toons with the different types of rezzes available, and this isn’t what was going on. Anyways though, we’ll figure it out if it keeps going on and get those screenies necessary to “prove” it. Thieves never one shot me and most of the time it takes more than one to take me down. We’ll all be on our toes and examining our combat logs more closely. I’d expect that kind of damage from thieves and “glass cannons” that are natural 80’s. But, seeing those kind of damages from players that are upscaled doesn’t quite seem right. I know from personal stance when I snipe on my longbow rapid fire, I can knock down a player half health with a vuln debuff which I guess would be around the 12k’ish mark with the overall damage done.

DR was very unorganized last night and there was a lot more bickering between commanders. We’ve gotten a buttload of new names showing up with commander. Plus we have several that feel that using racial slurs over team chat is appropriate. I’m not a minority, but I still don’t like seeing it because that just ain’t cool. I too have noticed some people doing the “spy game” with being in guilds from one server and being on another server…but I expect that for WvW anyways. And I know some people from DR did this last week, but what can we do about that?

Didn’t mean to offend anyone with the statement, just was an observation. Maybe sometime in the future some of the “big names” can get together in some kind of summit to talk about things so that we don’t have to bring it to the forums and such or even just to say “hey that was epic”.

I suppose if I see it going on whenever I’m back in there, I’ll remember to take screenies. Like I said, I usually don’t just because I’m in the heat of the battle or busy delegating people to tasks or setting siege up. I’ve put it out there. We do know there is that one confirmed dmg bug….and this could be another type that’s been overlooked. Most people know me as a straight-shooter, so when I get what I need I’ll get it sent in. We’ve got others also aware of what to look for and to take screenies (some didn’t know there was combat logs).

Peace all, have a good weekend.

@Tiglie

Actually it wouldn’t take a lot…a lot less than people think to manipulate coding, hence why so many of the other problems are out there. I actually have IT experience and experience in catching hacks…so I wouldn’t be “putting” it out there if it wasn’t happening. And, as I said above, it’s the few messing it up for everyone else. Of course many if they see it aren’t going to report it…that’s the sad state of MMO’s.

@Draygo

People have been reporting larger numbers than that. We’ve had guys with near 30k health dropping in one hit that are toughness stacked. While there are diminishing returns with everything, I’ve not really seen even any siege that’ll wipe anyone out in one hit.

Anyways, I know what I’m seeing, and I know what my guildies have been seeing as well as several others on the server. Are we all just full of it, or is something amiss. I’m leaning towards the latter. However, truly “proving” it is the thing isn’t it?

Yea, this hasn’t been from lag events. I rarely take screenies unfortunately and I never accuse people of hacks unless I’ve seen it personally. I don’t want the community degraded because a few feel the need to remove the epic gameplay that we’ve all been having, even when we’re getting owned overnight (like this overnight). I’ve been in WvW since about 20 mins or so after the flip last night (yes I’ve been up all night). The things that I’ve been seeing are stuff like 1v1 fully dead players rising up instantly from fully dead, balista like dmg in small groups not near any siege (dmg amounts in combat log have been really small, but a whole lot of it all at once), enemy players not taking damage and not having a buff to prevent damage.

I don’t lag, ever, when WvWing. I get some on occasion in the normal world, but never in WvW for whatever reason. Like I say, definitely not seen it from the normal tag guys on Kaineng…but I’ve seen a ton of new tags…so many so that honestly I can’t even remember them all, but your new faces are definitely some of the ones using these dmg exploits/debuffs and all else.

Personally I don’t care if we’d end up last again this week, I just want to see nice fights and stuff.

Sorry edited above for clarity.

We’re seeing a dmg exploit that acts like a balista yet no siege of any kind is present and it’s usually in small numbers like 1v1 or under 3v3. It isn’t just myself of course, many players on DR are reporting seeing strange dmg amounts in their combat logs and getting one shotted from it.

As far as I’ve seen or know it isn’t from guilds that we’ve normally fought in weeks past…it’s coming from the new faces on Kaineng.

SO not only does Kaineng have the numbers back this week, but several individuals in different guilds are exploiting and using various hacks….

You’re winning and you have to use hacks too….

Real classy there huh?

There is no “exact” time, but the rough time is around 8.15pm EST

I did forget that part….the whole Halloween event slowed everyone’s servers down…so if that was slow…what’s in store for this week?

This has been a truly epic week in terms of battles and people starting to work together better. When PRO first came to Devona, many people were skeptical if they’d stay to stick it out or if they were doing like so many of the other guilds have done to our other tier brothers for our matchups and just shift the numbers for the week and then take off. PRO has stuck around and that initial “demanding” that was felt by many of the guilds on Devona has seemed to have pretty much gone away and everyone seems to be back to their old “let’s work together” selves.

As far as I’ve seen, and I’m out there in force on many different toons, things are going well. I have seen some slanted remarks this past week from commanders on our server that you all should know better from doing and I won’t point fingers to the guilds that these comments have come from because it would only degrade the work that has been done amongst this tier community. Just know that the information was “saved” should accusations become abound.

I, personally, am not a commander at least in the sense that people believe a person should be called one. I haven’t even bothered to get into exotics or work towards the book, because I spend a lot of gold on upgrading towers/keeps/and SM, and putting down tons of siege when needed and where needed. Just because someone has that ICON does not make them an instant leader as we should all know. NERD RAGING off the game as an ICON holder also does not make you a good leader or any kind of leader at all (you know who you are).

Also props to the people that have been naming guilds and people out individually…giving credit where credit is due. You don’t know how often that gives these people/guilds a nice “thank you” and is a good morale booster as a whole. Keep that up, it helps everyone.

So as to that, I’ve seen out in force this week RED/GASM/PRO/SKY/AoD/FWAE…and some others that I can’t rememer their tag. Props to all our enemy guilds that I also can’t remember all the tags.

Another week has passed and we’re all still together as of tonight’s reset. With the orbs gone, what will we fight over now? Should we see more competition without the looming problems that came with the orbs, or will we see less people because the orbs were key to the maps? What’s your opinion on it?

I know I start these threads a little before reset (generally 4-5 hours before), but I feel a need to start them and get the topics flowing for our tier. No offense intended as it seems I may have done last week when a second thread popped up so my apologies to whoever it was that I may have offended last week.

May everyone have a great time again this week and may all of our battles keep being as EPIC as they’ve been these past couple of weeks especially. Also let’s help Ferg get some guilds to balance the tier out (can’t leave them out since they used to roflstomp us).

Hey [LEEM]…if you’re going to run on Ferg and Devona at the same time, you’re going to be targetted. Saying STOP from your Devona toon isn’t going to stop your little ninja squad.

Anyone on DR see any LEEM guys, you make sure to wipe the floor with their Ferg counterparts…

We want competition in the lowest tier, so right now Ferg Crossing has taken a beating for guilds leave for the “big time”. But, any of the bottom three with be glad to have some new faces I’m sure.

That’s just….I don’t even know what to say. Been there and came back from that darkness. Yes, we guys down in the bottom got steam-rolled like that about a month ago, but we mustered up, got our stuff together, and started making a presence. Don’t give up, at least try to server recruit now that the 7 day transfer limit will be going into effect tomorrow. There are guilds out there that would take up this challenge and put SoR in their places….either that or leave and learn some techniques from other servers that have closer matches and go back to use that information to help your numbers.

“You don’t want to sell me any deathsticks” “You want to go home and rethink your life”…….

People aren’t going to mass flock to the lower tiers for one reason, they think because a server is on the top that they are the “best” of the best. They’re at the top because they have the numbers to put them there….SIMPLE as that. Plus all servers were not created equal…meaning that some servers have been around before the official Launch Date.

I’m from Devona’s Rest. For the longest time this was the lowest population, lowest tiered world for WVW status. We’ve got a lot more population now, but still the WVW is meh. That’s okay though, because even though many people gripe down here in this bracket, we all love the challenges, the epic battles that occur, and the fact that we can say that we “know” someone because we’ve been in the same matchup for three weeks now and looks like at least one more. DR may move up into the next tier in a week or two, but if not that’s okay too.

So if you’re looking for large epic primetime battles, low to no queue’s (depends on which BL is being battled for), and knowing your enemy on a regular basis….then the bottom tier’s are for you. If you want to pin a medal on your chest and ride the coat tails of everyone else, then stay in the upper tiers.