Guild Wars 2

If players can take from supply depot’s, why can’t we dump (drop off) supplies in the same fashion. It would give camps more of a purpose besides just running back and forth for building up siege and repairing walls.

When a tower/keep/garrison/castle is being upgraded, the workers essentially build those upgrades. Why don’t workers “repair” cannons/mortars/pot of oil/walls/doors, when they do the “work” to begin with? I’m not saying the current system is bad as it makes the player do part of the work in defending their structure(s), but if the NPC is required to do the work the first time through they should be assigned to do the repairs and other items leaving the players to work on their own siege and other defenses, etc.

Otherwise remove worker’s totally and make it to where players must do the work themselves by transporting supplies from the supply depot to a “marker” where the supplies will be used to build.

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@Gasmic

It’s because they don’t WvW much. Eventually DR will run into population….trust me on this :P

It’s like their melting away in our backpacks. I’ve watched a bunch of mine just go poof within 1 min of obtaining them….

Anet you guys might want to fix this.

@Team

There’s a chapter left on AR that doesn’t include the “core” group….AR original residents that wanted to stay on AR.

Dear Anvil Rock Alliance:

I am aware of a fact that you’ve been accusing members of my guild of “stealing” guilds from AR to move to where we are currently located. Please be aware that EOH has not employed those tactics and that in fact we left because we were unwelcome on AR by your alliance. We’re on a server we like and have been welcomed. If you are “losing” guilds it isn’t because of us leaving, but probably because of some such other problems that you have internally or through the use of unsavory tactics or some such other problem that we have, nor ever had, any knowledge of.

Thank you for your time….

2 cents

Hey Rae….Who are you again? Oh that’s right….we figured that out in the last thread that got locked out right.

Only certain members of the alliance had a problem with me because well I’m fairly vocal about the use of exploits and such….just like the Ta Are R Da Alliance likes using often, especially when losing. Plus, my guild is called Equal Opportunity Haters…..I’m allowed to hate everyone and take that hate back too. Oh yea, and get with the program….AR is in T7.

We did move, and it’s great to be in a community that works together with everyone, but it’s kinda like this…I get tells every now and then from people back in T7 and they’re like hey did you hear about this or that? And I’m like no, I’ll go take a peek and see what’s up. Plus who else is going to get your panties in a twist that isn’t even on the server still….I mean ZOMGS gdiaf.

BP’s gonna be fine in the next bracket. If anything they may find some solace playing with a population that’s similar to theirs and probably welcome the challenge again. Nobody really likes to win with a landslide.

Oh and yea, because I can, those guilds listed a couple pages back being accused of exploiting…..they’re in the Ta Are R Da Alliance.

@Dred

Sillies. I was there before PRO came and “helped” push DR up….I don’t need a history lesson. I left DR due to reasons that were internal with GASM that have long since been dealt with. I see the pot calling the kettle black in terms of moving servers….it’s all a moot point. When I left DR I was guildless. I formed a new guild from scratch on Anvil Rock and ran into a craptastic alliance that was counter productive to the server and unfortunately for my guild we were public about it over individuals that were too afraid to say something publicly. Now we reside on Maguuma, our permanent home, where we will never ever move to another bracket or another server. We’ve run into many Devonians here that are still helpful as they were back when we were still on the server, and they don’t throw matches like DR has done at least twice in the past 6 weeks to stay down in T8. The messed up part of all this is, only the “big” guilds on DR have the ability to dictate this during matchups…

Fact is, DR could have moved up two weeks ago, easily, and DR has the numbers to easily hold thier ground in T7. I’ll be the first to admit that I was one of the several that gave PRO a hard time when they came to DR because of how you guys hopped so many servers (the guild that is) and because of the reputations that were presented about PRO from other servers opinions. For the most part you’ve done good things down on Devona’s Rest, but to passively claim that your guild is the reason that servers have been moving up while your present is pretentious at best. DR was already heading on the way up before PRO came…it just became more of a political power play after PRO arrived.

P.S. Stay Classy!

Hi guys….EOH reporting in here. We’re on Maguuma and are working on getting people moved over from AR. We’re also expecting another guild from DR to be joining this weekend for the rematch.

I’d just like to say that, after reading this thread I see a lot of the same problems exist in this bracket as everywhere else (exploit use). Tbh you guys have far less of it going on because most of this community shuns out people that employ the use of them pretty immediately (with proof of course).

Anyways, this is EOH’s permanent home, so I hope we can all work together in the near future. A few of yous have seen a couple of us over the last couple of days.

/bow

If DR wanted to move up, you all would have this past week. Most people know that DR has been playing the numbers (the guys that know what to do to stay in the same place more or less). It’s obvious and anyone that denies it (that knows how to play them) is just bringing DR down into that place that nobody like to be in/at.

Just saying….

Anyways, HAI, how is everyone that I left behind weeks ago?

BP is moving up this week and you all will probably never see them again….unless they get a mass exodus again like last time.

We’ve left a chapter of EOH on AR led by Keyba, hopefully you guys/gals will work with him. These are people that are found of AR and would never leave but liked the guild structure. The rest of us have found our new home to be quite liking and very cooperative. No more bickering between commanders, people come when you ask for help, and ZOMGS they actually know how to defend and upgrade stuff, plus the 100v100v100 zerg battles are awesome with siege used. They use a serverwide voice comm that nobody can get kitten over and yank out from under anyone and they welcome everyone regardless of size of guild or individuals trying to make a change in the WvW realm. Maybe someday AR can have this kind of unity without the politics.

Anyways, enough of that, time for me to leave this thread and let all of EOH’s friends know we’re on Maguuma where we have declared it our permanent home. Anyone that wishes to contact us there may do so, and many of you have my info in game so you know how to type /w for a chat every now and again.

Good luck AR, maybe we’ll see you as an enemy some day.

Farewell AR, it’s been fun…sometimes.

Props to the people that accepted us and didn’t want us to leave. Fairwell to our respected rival Krew, hope to see you guys in T4 someday soon as a rival.

/now back to your regular scheduled programming….

Thx for all the welcomes guys and it’ll be great working with old enemies. Looks like another DR guild will be head up to Mag as well and will be great working with old friends.

/bow

We have made a decision and will be transitioning to the Maguuma server over the course of this week as we find the server open to move onto. Thanks again for all the feedback and a peering into the rivalry that exists here.

I use a ROG laptop with an i7 and the older 560gtx….I only lag when there’s 100v100v100 in the lord’s room at SM castle.

That being said, if you’re Intel only, I’d stick to the i7 minimum or the 8 core equiv in AMD. Vid looks fine and 16g or more ram will be super.

@raenen

Who are you? Oh right, another sympathizer….not to worry then.

@Kardia

Just calling it like it is. Many other guilds besides EOH may not say anything and that’s their thing….but we’ve seen many alliance peeps use exploits, have screenies of the fact, and have reported. However my above post had said nothing about the alliance, just that in fact someone on AR was using a “flying/speed” hack last night and YOU come into this thread immediately defending the alliance which is the first sign that YOU know that someone in the alliance has been employing such tactics and YOU"RE on the defensive over it.

No one thinks EOH is a “cool guild” on AR except those that aren’t in the alliance and those that are our enemies that say so publicly. Let’s face it, I’m not “for the alliance” and YOU are….let’s agree to disagree.

This thread was made by a BP player after all that noticed something strange. While they were wrong as blatently shown/stated on the golem thing….they did hit another problem on the nail. YES people are using these unsavory tactics on other servers as well, but don’t be so ignorant as to think that AR “would never” use them….because certain people do.

I didn’t see that going on with the golems for AR, but I was standing in Overlook last night and seen this player blip past me and up above my head right through the walls. Obviously they were moving too “fast” to catch the guild tag or name, but it was an AR player using it. It would go without saying that many guilds on AR employ the use of said unsavory tactics especially during times where they’re being beaten so badly during WvW matches (like said match). And, I’m sure there are many that know of it and that are going “go for it” to said player(s) as they don’t want to report their “friends”.

It’s a known bug from a couple major patches ago. Anet tried to reduce the size of the invulerability area near the spawns, but unfortunately for some reason this particular problem exists near these camps. As read originally by the Anet thread that covered it some weeks ago (can’t remember where it was, maybe at top), it was explained that if used “improperly” it was an exploit of the terrain.

Have no idea what the thoughts on it now are, but it is supposed to be fixed in some upcoming patch.

Yes, it is true that EOH is exploring other server options for viability. No it is not true we’ve been server hoping. As AntiHero has explained (quite well I thought) 8 people from a 250 member guild on DR left and came to AR with the hopes of making friends and creating a guild that was WvW structured. We did just that. We may not have 100’s of members like many of the other guilds on this server, but we have enough and besides the 8 originals, all members otherwise have come from the AR populace. We have a non-alliance, alliance, with a few other guilds on the server that have also voiced the same opinion of the alliance here and what’s going on within it.

After my initial post yesterday about the T4 bracket, I can’t tell you how many private messsages that I got from several members of the WvW community within AR. I was so bombarded with tells that I literally couldn’t do my normal farming runs for 4 hours straight. Many people asked why, some said please stay you’ve done a lot for this server (their words), and others I just had a good conversation with. Some were member guilds within the alliance. So, that being said, EOH has never fully shunned the alliance as the alliance has shunned us from day one. We’re constantly told to go back to our home server. How is it that we’re supposed to do that when 90% of our guild is made up of Anvil Rock originals? What are we supposed to do or say when day in and day out our lesser leveled members are told to kitten off because of the EOH tag only? These people don’t deserve to be treated in this manner because of a difference in how tactics are handled in WvW. Furthermore, I led a successful EB campaign the first night of the matchup change and helped to keep everything in the northern part of EB. I personally spent 12g that night on upgrades and siege to an overlook and towers that were claimed by alliance guilds that just wanted to put their banner’s up but didn’t want to spend the gold to do the upgrades. Did I get props for any of it? Sure as hell didn’t. Would I do it again? Sure as hell will, because I view it as helping the server, whether the alliance likes it or not. Of course when I say alliance, it’s really only a select few that the problem exists with. Do I or we work with alliance commanders? All the fricken time and we do it often.

Our guild has to agree on a move, we don’t just go because of whatever. Yes, it sucks that a small guild like ours made up of primarily Anvil Rock residents gets such the end of the black stick that it makes the community come into a split decision about what they do. Will EOH ever be a part of the alliance? No. Can relations be repaired? Maybe. But, this is a two sided street. If you want to continue to blacklist a guild that’s been upgrading, supporting, and teaching new WvW members of the community how, what and why things are used and where….then you’re only hurting the community more. Personally I feel we do a lot for WvW when we’re in there, but hey that’s an opinion of one individual. This alliance has to learn that you can’t force people to be a part of “your thing” because “your thing” isn’t good for everyone involved. And, if you were the leaders you claim to be, you’d be trying to be diplomatic about it at the very least, not trash talking a small 50 man guild every “server meeting” you have.

Names sure. Cross server trash talk…bad idea. While it creates rivalry for sure (it has in every other game that I’ve played that had the ability to do so), it also creates a form of harassment and chat clutter that becomes more than annoying.

Thanks for all of the replies this week thus far, we’ll know for sure either way by the time this next matchup comes up.

You’ll get Eredon Terrace for T8. They literally were only able to field 30 people on their home BL and about 20 everywhere else (if that). That’s all they had left in them when they slipped into 3rd in T7 last week. If DR manages to ever move up, you’ll be facing GoM for sure and likely HoD for a week or two unless they gain pop or fall flat into T8 in which Kaineng would be bumped up into T7 with DR eventually.

It’s all prediction at this point, but DR got sloppy and has pissed some guilds off (from what I know for sure) and I think you’ll be finding yourselves shorter on numbers in the coming matchup. This is a shame for my former home that prided itself on “proper” WvW conduct and activities.

Flayfirst.4735:

So before you start crying about population, look at yourselves and how you treat your server mates, because that is probably the case.

Done and dusted . . .

QFE!

Siad.3608:

They run around in one massive zerg, so hitting 2 things at once really confuses them.

This gave me a rofl moment, but it’s also sad that it’s come to that.

/cheers

Why oh why is DR trying to stay in T8. You guys are winning, but you’re losing rating because you’re holding back….you’re losing people because of this fact alone…win harder.

Even the low end servers get queues on rematch nights, I think that’s a given or at the very least an expected part of what happens with the weekend crews.

Famed Psychologists have a name for this, but it slips my mind currently so please forgive me.

It’s called Regression. It also happens to lots of people that play video games because they feel forced to revert to child-like tendencies to be accepted by the “younger” crowd. It also happens with ex-military personnel in a different manner, but I won’t go there.

You also fail to take into account that the majority of gamers today are in the age bracket of 12 to 28. The gamers that have been playing MMO’s since 1998 (when the first official MMO hit what we know as the internet today, not BBB systems) are well into their late 30’s and upwards but actually make up a far smaller population of modern MMO’s then their younger counterparts. In today’s society where the internet and technology are the major steeple of how we as a people do things, it is only expected that people will behave in such mannerisms. MMO’s actually are the “new” addiction and are getting up there as high as alcoholism and drug addictions in recent years. SO, we’ll see what comes, but don’t have such high expectations from a populus that has grown up on internet and technology.

A good majority of AR gave up this week, sadly. The “voice” of the server is taking an R&R for the week as they’ve realized that they couldn’t handle being roflstomped the first night on their own BL (their words not mine). So the rest of the AR server is forced to contend with it and do what they can and have to deal with the idiocy of it all.

Krew, great fights again though I think I got a few more of you last night than the first night. If only we had a tower and camp like the QL/Danelon night when you guys had a challenge on one tower would it be more epic.

Oh and Ender, sent ya a PM as a response, but awesome to see you guys here too. I heard about DR doing IT again and I don’t blame you.

We know that a couple guilds just recently moved to Dragonbrand this week and are probably still in the process (from the Kaineng server). We actually got a semi-invite to join but turned it down. According to my guy last night, the guys on Maguuma gave a warm welcome and were of course asking some questions because they’d never been seen around before. Servers like BP are great to fight, we’ve got an awesome rivalry with the guild Krew from BP of which we have a dual respect for fighting back and forth with. The problem comes when your “large” guilds get told to not play in WvW because their “leaders” got roflstomped the first night from a huge population server like BP. It hasn’t been the worst experience ever, but this alliance here makes it very unfair to the rest of the population that may want to learn WvW and can’t because they give up before starting due to seeing the actions of what these guys have done to this server. We’ve been on AR for 6 weeks now and it was great to go there and teach a few things and learn some new stuff, but there’s only so much one can stand.

Like I said above, we’re not about winning or losing, we’re about tactics used, organization and how it’s used, and very communication heavy. Plus we like commanders that aren’t puppets.

I’ve got a guy on Mag checking them out for a week, might have a one or two more head over there and a couple to EB. Unfortunately during our logged in hours Yak’s is always full and untransferrable.

I’m doing a survey for my guild that’s taking a peek at T4 and I’d like YOUR opinion of your Tier. This would be Yak’s Bend, Maguuma, and Ehmry Bay.

I’m also curious as to how you rate your communication within your server as far as WvW goes and organization? Also, how bad are the zergs and does anyone actually defend and build things up?

We’re not looking for a winning server, but we’re not going down in Tier’s either. We’re looking for a server that can come through with communication and organizational skills in WvW. Thx for your time.

Oh yea, and BP gets a free trip to T5 next week anyways. So, next week we’ll have another server taking BP’s spot but looks like AR is slated to stay in T6 for a little while longer.

Ugh…I really dislike when the term server merger starts coming up in MMO’s. Every MMO that has done server mergers has messed up the population in general more than had they just left it alone. When you force a merge on someone you force them to a new server that they may not have wanted to be on and therefore you start losing people again that transfer off to the “new” servers. They bumped the transfers to 7 days….it has helped more than enough. Free transfers won’t always be there, but while they are people are able to visit their home servers or experiment in finding a new one.

BP has had transfers, we all know this to be true, even when the message has been diluted. But AR has also had some transfers this past week to get ready for this matchup. Maybe not in the numbers that AR would like to see, but it did happen. Fair weather players are more often found on your own home server than someone jumping from one server to the next to find the IWIN button. AR was filled with a host of new names last matchup because we were put into a match were facerolling the opponent was easy peasy. Now that we’re getting creamed by a larger force again, those fair weather players have gone back to their PvE content where they’ll stay until AR is on the “win” again. If anything we should promote that the fair weather players leave the server, this way AR can focus on a WvW population that actually wants to be there…not one that only comes when they get the easy win.

As for the rest of AR that was chest thumping last week….I’m betting your eating your words now. AR did become more organized, but it wasn’t due to one “factor” on the server and said “factor” got facerolled last night as hard as everyone else did. Where’s the words of we will win now?

We all know that MF is a part of certain sets of gear, but other than that, we don’t have a way to visually see MF on our paperdoll’s like our other stats. It would be nice to have a way to see our overall MF and then our effective MF (after diminishing returns if this exists) or just an effective MF reading would be good. I know there’s a lot of other things that need fixing in this game that would most certainly have priority, but I’m fairly sure that it wouldn’t be a coding nightmare to just add the stat below our others or somewhere on the paperdoll screen.

We at AR are likely getting bumped back down into T7, so it would be totally awesome if DR would work really hard this week and get up into T7 for the ultimate matchup.

So, that BP push on overlook tonight with the golems was hawt. You guys did an awesome push and awesome try, but in the end siege won. Let’s keep these kinds of battles up. Also a shout out to Krew from BP…saw you guys on ARBL taking Bay and ripping me a new one eventually.

/peace

So here we are for another week. Play Classy. And welcome back to the grind with BP…some of us will love it, others won’t.

@Spacelord

Heh…there is always that too and it has been discussed more than once. Of course we know you guys would have us back any day and that’s the kind of respect we have for each other there.

There’s always the what if….then the entire alliance would have to leave the server….ZOMGS could that be possible? I guess it could since Ronny was considering doing it a week or two ago and moving all you guys back to GoM.

Bearded.6485:

ktith.6197:

So I hear that the kitten alliance has called EOH a bunch of “rainbow warriors” (since I can’t use the other name here on the forums). And here I thought the “alliance” was trying to be the “patriots and example setters” for Anvil Rock. Can we say…insecure much?

If you want people to respect you, then you need to show them respect. It is only natural for the people in the alliance to bad mouth you when you bad mouth the alliance! Please don’t come here and act like a victim when you refuse to work with the alliance, and spew crap here in the forums, in team chat and in private chat. If you want to work with us and make this server better, awesome. We would be more than willing to do provide a place for you to do that and allow your voice to be heard. If you want to complain and moan that no one listens to you and that the alliance is a joke then please shut up and stop being one of the biggest trolls in Anvil Rock.

ZOMGS, this made me laugh. The “alliance” gets bad mouthed by more than my guild because some of the things some of your “leaders” do is just…well, can’t really say it here on these forums…but people know and others are wising up to it. I do often work with members of the alliance though they may not say so publicly because of being bought off commanders and they don’t want to lose their “backing”. The alliance only makes up about 40% of this server but yet claims THEY are the only reason AR wins it’s matches. If you lost the support of the guilds that actually defend, run supplies, and don’t give into the zerg every night…where would you be? You certainly wouldn’t be holding more than the home map effectively. The problem with you guys are, you know we aren’t puppets and you don’t like being suggested that something else may work better. Prime example of this is….trying to take overlook earlier this week. A commander of the alliance worked on that place for well over 12 hours, and never made it past the outer doors. I worked with a couple commanders from the alliance later in this matchup and overlook was taken in an hour, maybe hour and a half. The setup was that an attack be made on more than two fronts…and it worked very well. You guys only think about brute force, never about the what if’s, and you’re very known for rarely (very rarely) defending anything you take. Yes you claim most targets, and yes you add BUFFS to those places, but 9 out of 10 times you guys don’t upgrade your own claimed property (it ends up coming from other guilds or members of the community).

IF you want the respect you claim you should have, why not show the other 60% of this community why WE should give it to you. Until then, don’t make presumptious claims that guilds, especially EOH, are not willing to work with anyone, especially in the alliance, because we often do and don’t “complain” or “trash talk” when we do. We, just aren’t going to accept a good majority of you guys because of how you got your “titles” and the unsavory tactics that you often are caught using (exploits). We (the server, not the alliance) were winning this week, exploiting was not necessary. So again, show that you are warranted the respect by doing all the things you claim you stand for and actually standing by those “rules” and you’ll get the respect you deserve. Respect is not just handed to whoever and claimed by anyone….you earn it through actions and decisions that warrant it.

I do not support this change back. The reason being is that if the enemy wants information on your movements, they only need to “make a friend” and get said information. Obviously you can still contact people from other servers by using their account name. If you were “friends” you would have written this down and still be using it for communication. It was removed not because of harrassment, but because it was a game breaking communication system. It would be like someone hacking a military computer system and gaining access to all military movements…you can see why that would be devastating.

While it is great to smacktalk your opponent, which is the primary reason a cross chat would be wanted, it also takes away from the game at the same time.

Actually, since we all know there’s a siege cap on each map, it is possible to put siege in a location that would prevent siege from being placed. Not only does it affect the map as a whole, it also affects the particular “region” that it is placed in. It doesn’t just affect the team that placed it, it affects all teams that try to place in that same area. I know you all would like to think that it’s not true…but alas it is indeed. Is it an exploit? Not according to official sources. It is considered a tactic that has not yet been found by “all” people. I’m sure though that eventually it will be striken from being able to be done or the siege cap will be removed in which case it would be a waste. Or, they’ll make it to where certain siege can be placed in a certain radius of a certain area (e.g.: Rams near doors only). All I can say is, be careful what you wish for. I also know some servers dropping rams on people for tombstones and this will affect the siege cap until they pop (they are unbuilt). This is done for the simple purpose that often you can’t target the person for rezzing and they are forced to respawn. Again a tactic, not an exploit.

Exploits are things like using a terrain bug at overlook and going through it to take down the keep lord with the help of a mesmer (seen it in this week’s matchup from an AR player). GoM having a tactical terrain bug to drop into Veloka Tower without going through the walls (happened a lot this week). Players getting blown through walls and ground and then figuring out how to repeat it (we’ve all seen this one this week). Ranger’s being able to be invulnerable in the water while pressed up against a “wall” between their pet and said wall (a bug, but been used as an exploit). Getting into the southern towers on home maps without going through the door or walls.

I could probably go on all day, but all sides in this matchup have been guilty of someone using an exploit to their advantage. In which case is to say that you are a sad player to the community and you’re only making your team look bad and get bad reputations for using them. This is why certain guilds won’t have anything to do with the “alliances” on servers….because those “alliances” are known to use exploits to “win”.

melodyca.8921:

Um..Just a friendly warning to Borlis

Some in Anvil Rock like to put siege rams in supply camps and such….

And theres a few who like to glitch gates. Just a friendly heads up at what to expect from some of them

Oh snap….where do you think they learned it from? Give ya three guesses, but you’ll only need one…

So I hear that the kitten alliance has called EOH a bunch of “rainbow warriors” (since I can’t use the other name here on the forums). And here I thought the “alliance” was trying to be the “patriots and example setters” for Anvil Rock. Can we say…insecure much?

What? DR started zerging…..such a shame. When did this start, cause I know when I was down there DR was still organizing to the point where they could even begin to think about doing something of the such. I mean there were XP/Karma Trains, but those were hardly a zerg.

Come to Anvil Rock, we’re moving up. Or go down to Devona’s Rest as they’ll be moving up to T7 sometime in the next couple weeks. AR’s primetime is between 8pm EST and 4am EST. DR is similar.

/peace