Guild Wars 2

Where do you think the last 3 tiers will be in terms of who’s populating them in a period of 4 weeks from now?

My predictions based on current ratings and how weekly is progressing currently:

T6: SF/BP/AR
T7: HoD/ET/DR
T8: GoM/Kaineng/FC

This post is for fun and great speculations.

I had caught a brief statement that apparently there was a site that ranks guilds by numerical value for WvW activity. I would wondering if such site exists or if it was wishful thinking…and where that may be found if it does indeed exist?

@Bearded

I’ll set ya straight one more time, and after that, well that’ll be on you. That treb setup in WC that night, I did alone with running sups outta rogue’s quarry. I also upgraded WC solely that night….when one of your alliance guilds claimed it. You can think you know what’s going on all you like, but you’re another one of those that has been “elected” to receive your icon by the means of individuals buying gold through gold farmers in order to gain said icon, as are many in the alliance. I know some got lucky with the event for the Lost Shores, but I know ahead of time what’s actually going on. THIS is why server’s aren’t allowed to vote for commanders….because large guilds would have a popularity contest about it and automatically vote their guys in just to have a rep for their guild.

@ the mesmer in the castle comment with the 10 golem night. That particular mesmer, isn’t in my guild, but regardless literally got blown through the wall by a warrior that used that skill that pushes people away. That was not intentional and was not repeatable by same said mesmer. Taken advantage of, sure, but an exploit is one in which a particular situation is found and is continually used over and over again to gain an unfair advantage; a bug; much like the terrain bug that was/is still being used to gain access to the “hills” keep on all three of the home borderlands maps.

@Met, totally agree with that assessment and I’m on AR. I’ve been on this server for 3 weeks now and things are just, well, in a nice way filled with puppet commanders.

I always thought BP was kinda squishy in small packs….it’s the strength in numbers that cause facerolls. And, I remember when BP was down in Tier 8 several times and were the “big” server for that bracket with constant up and down moments.

There’s obviously a ‘huge’ zerg mentality….tho a shout out for the 3 man guild that made sure I knew not everyone believes in that (I didn’t catch the guild name the other day). Upgrading is getting better, but to quote a commander tonight…“Well there’s no point staying here because we can’t claim bay for our BUFFS”. You know who you are, and that’s just being idiotic. Okay, so you’ve got 200 peeps and you get like 20k influence a night in WVW. I’ve got 46 peeps, field 45% or greater of our members in WVW most nights, and we’re pulling about 5k influence an evening. We’re building up still, but we’d never tell our map that we’re pulling out because we couldn’t put buffs in a keep or whatever. Plus all the crap about who spent what gold and how much over X amount of time. Please don’t go there as lots of people spend gold over keeps/towers/camps to be taken 10 mins later or within a 24 hour period and they do it again night after night. The alliance aren’t the only ones that supply things to this server, so come off the high horse. And, as far as that goes, I hear many peeps in the alliance are originally from GoM anyways….so really how does that work out?

I’ve always felt that quality over quantity is a better result, but this server is like the kid that’s been told they were stupid their whole life….they believe they can’t do it because a few guilds with super inflated ego’s have told them they can’t.

I think the problem here now is that with the Lost Shores final day event (I missed it but heard what dropped) gave everyone the ability that wanted to have an icon to afford said icon. I saw what seemed like only a few icons on Anvil Rock turn into around 35 overnight or more over night. I jokingly say there are 50 “commanders” here, but I’m probably not far off.

What you should be asking is a question to be answered from the individual server communities as to how their commanders behave, progress, work well with each other, if they answer questions or “expect” you to know instantly how WvW works, did they “command” before getting the Icon and how long, etc etc and so on. I know in my experience I was a non-icon commander long before even wanting to don the icon overhead. I’ve lead 18 hour assaults (very exhausting btw) and other days I just don’t turn the icon on because I see teamwork already present. I know I certainly make mistakes but I also bring a lot of siege with me and have lead massive good outcome and bad outcome battles (EPIC on both ends of the stick regardless).

Go into each server thread that your interested in, see how the “mood” is, and start asking those active people how their commander’s are and get varying opinions. It would be a start at least, but you may have to dig further. And for the record AR’s commanders are a 50/50 chance. One half know their stuff, the other half are what are known as “puppet” commanders.

Anti Virus software needs to have an exception made for the gw2.exe file.
If you’re on wireless, the connection sometimes gets lost in packet losses that you may not have noticed. (try a hardwire conn to see if that helps).
Setup your gw2.exe to “run as admin” if you’re on a windows OS. (this also fixes a lot of problems people were having with BLTP not opening up).

Could be other things too, but usually a drop in connection is packet loss problem and you get dumped more or less with the garbage bytes.

Epic battle at SM tonight, hours long and lots of turn out….except the alliance (at least most of them) which would have turned the tide in that battle. We made it to lord’s room at least….

I know a tier that puts those down for tombstones….for fun and stuff.

I know this is a siege thread but would be also nice besides despawning your own siege and maybe even for a partial return on supplies, would be being able to deposit supplies into a tower or keep main supply pad. Or, even when despawning your own siege maybe possibly allowing those proposed partial return to go directly into the tower or keep’s main supply. That’d be nice or even interesting.

They could easily make the buff only visible to allies. But yes, what I was saying earlier was that I’ve literally put siege down that has been there for days, but not trebs…they pop regardless of time set. I’ve also noticed that siege that is placed in places that the terrain doesn’t like will also pop.

If any server goes down to T8 at this point, it’ll be GOM…as they’ve been hit hard by people leaving the server. BP is actually looking at going up to T6 and ET moving down into T7. They’d actually probably outnumber both Kain and FC by a slight margin, but the weekly numbers overall in that matchup would probably be pretty close. Yes our T7 numbers are pretty close in the weekly matches so that is a given plus, however organization is something quite lacking and people just don’t “get it” like T8 servers were forced to and learn to get along with each other (per their respective servers). We needed time to grow, I was not the only one that left DR and moved up a bracket. Many are “homesick” for DR and the community that is present there as opposed to how AR is. We wouldn’t be integrating back into any guild we were with prior as we’ve grown as a group that has the same WvW priorities and objectives. But, this is all up in the air at the moment anyways. Plus we didn’t burn bridges (or I know I didn’t) when I left DR, as I’m sure most of the ones that left didn’t either (tho I could be wrong).

Anyways, have a good one.

So here’s the math.

If each server was to hold exactly an even amount of points distributed between all of the maps, they would hold 231.67 tally points every 15 mins. Each home BL is worth 145 pts. EB is worth 260. If you split EB in half and add SM into the numbers plus your home BL you’d tick 292.50 pts (293) every 15 mins. Considering that if all servers had an equal share at 231.67 (232) if you hold all of your home BL plus 1/2 of EB and SM, and you managed to keep all of it without it turning over (flipping)….you could win a weekly matchup.

That’s the numbers in a perfect situation and I wasn’t incorrect. Now in the “real world” that’s not going to happen. However, using those numbers you can see just how little you have to control in order to stay ahead. Yes there is a severe problem in lack of populations and the numbers become skewed relatively easily by the “winning” side, but it is all a sliding scale as to what you need to control and when you need to control it in order to get ahead or catch up or whatever you’re in it for.

I never did like Kaineng or FC…and being since I"m from DR originally if my guildmates decide that’s where they’d like to go back to, then we’ll be back after this matchup as we have committments that are already in play. There will never be a “dust settling” event for the transfers in the near future. Tier 8 will balance out again when DR moves up…and they will before people realize it.

If DR’s on vacation its because they got tired of taking everything and sitting in keeps sitting on their thumbs for hours on end doing absolutely nothing. They’ll probably bring it in a couple days. And in other news….who wants a 50 man guild back on DR? Huh huh?

Actually, in all reality, if people would defend what they grab and not get over extended you only need your entire home borderland and half of EB to field the overall points tally to “win” WVW, plus holding SM. It may not seem like it, but if you go tally up the points from each of those holdings, it’ll show you in black and white, that’s what you need to do….or to control the equivalent.

It’s isn’t always about the numbers tho, because if that was the case we’d still be in the cold war and bla bla bla. Quantity versus Quality starts to come to mind here, and it is even possibly in a video game to have these two very opposing factors on a playing field such as WvW. For instance, I was part of a like 5-7 man group late last night that managed to destroy 20+ BP in the ARBL. The second group tagged a couple of us, but once that 40ish BP zerg was PB&J’d, it was pretty much over. It is possible sometimes with determination and/or a group that knows each other’s playing style to overcome large odds against them.

We know that there’s been a population surge and whether or not it was influx’s of guilds (which was the case a couple weeks ago now) or from more people becoming interested in WVW (which has also happened I’m sure), it’s noticeable in either case. However, this should be the focal point of what’s going on for the winning as it is quite possible to “win” without the numbers….there just needs to be a focus that’s brought to the game that isn’t currently really “present” at the time being…or might be, but not noticed.

@GSS

AR lacks in number 2 and 3. While they do sometimes upgrade and sometimes defend….most of the time it’s zergy mczerg present on the maps. I still love the server, and love to hate it some nights too. There isn’t any one problem that can be addressed because AR has 50 commanders on the server (and that’s probably not far off) plus an alliance that tries to dictate who can do what or who “is” going to be an icon holder.

It’s another week of this matchup, what are you expecting to see? What are you hoping to see? What would you like to see?

Keep it civil guys/gals….let’s show our community pride without the accusations.

I’ve seen trebs despawn after 30 mins, but everything I’ve placed down since 3 weeks ago that isn’t a treb stays all night without anyone using it. So either it’s a bug that it’s despawning or its a bug that it’s staying up.

They do. A lot of servers’ problems with individuals and Wv3 is that, people come into it and you don’t exactly get a learning manual to go by with Wv3. A lot of people don’t ask either and that’s how the zergs are born. People figure that if some guy with a blue dot got said dot that they automatically “know” what they’re doing and thus follow said blue dot around the map all day. When people ask me directly, I tell them what each piece of siege does, why you should use it, what to use it on, and how to lay it out on towers/keeps/other things. I know we say this all the time but, you’d be surprised how many people in WvW don’t know “how” to do WvW or what to do for that matter. They believe it’s like WoW and just to kill everything in sight not realizing that you actually need to keep and hold objectives on the maps to make headway.

I know I’m just a middle aged gamer that’s been around since the first MMO’s hit shelves 15 years or so ago and I’ve learned a few things over all those years, but the thing that I’ve learned most is….ask a lot of questions and investigate things for yourself so that you really do “know” what to do in said situations.

As to the cheats and stuff…I came off another server where it was becoming a rampant problem. Most of the guilds made a pact to remove forthwith any member that was caught using them and also to report said players even if they were RL friends or known bodies. Even in doing said ideals, it doesn’t prevent the player from continuing onwards with said unnamed issues until Anet is able to catch up to said person and decide what to do with them. And, the unfortunate thing of it all is, as long as said individuals stay on said server, like a weed, it makes everything around them look bad until it’s pulled out. That being said, I hold no grudge against any guild or individual that is forced to have to deal with said individuals of mistrust within the community. I just have hopeful feelings that we all can continue to have fun in our battles and move past the “pointing of fingers” towards those things. Calling it out once is good enough. Going to the guild leader about it and showing them the screenies is even better. It keeps it civil and keeps it off the forums as well as keeps each individual guild from being blacklisted because one or two people decided to be dinks. It’s just good overall for everyone.

/peace

People can accept being “outplayed”, but others can’t accept when said “issues of concern that we won’t name here” are used to outplay people. There are plenty of honest players out there, but the few that take advantage of a situation are the ones that ruin it for everyone.

Also being outplayed with tactics is one thing, but being outplayed by trampling 2 people with a 30 man zerg is another…that’s called facerolling. Not complaining about numbers because that’s just simply always going to be skewed one way or another (never balanced), but I am saying that to say that peeps can’t deal with being outplayed when said server is using the SIN method over actually using tactics…is like that saying about the special olympics.

@styx

I agree. Just don’t want another thread closed.

Those scores look pretty good actually, though it’s hard to say.

Hey guys let’s not fight over pride, let’s keep the mods happy.

Some of the comments in this thread about guilds dictating who is a commander to be followed and who isn’t, is exactly why individuals will not be given a voting system to have X commander given a shiny blue icon over their head. There are guilds large enough to have more than 75% of the active WvW population on their own servers. Who are you to dictate who can or can’t have a commander title/icon? Furthermore if you are doing that to other commanders that have spent that gold to get the icon on their own accord (not donated to them), then why are you better for having multiple people hand you gold when you obviously couldn’t do it on your own (there’s a lesson in there to be had).

The system isn’t flawed, the problem is that (and especially after this last weekend), someone gets a pre-legendary weapon and wham they’ve got their 100g. From what I’ve heard on my server, butt loads of people got their “dusk” over the weekend and now we’ve literally seen an explosion of blue icons that weren’t present last week. I am a transplant to my current server, but I started out as a non-icon’d commander on my “birth” server in one of the top 3 wvw guilds on that server. I’ve virtually tier’d out my WvW “achievements” at this point but yet according to this thread because I’m not affiliated with one of the “first guilds” or that because I “farmed” my gold, I shouldn’t be allowed or able to have that icon. I’ve had the occasional person that I’ve never seen ever in WVW tell me to turn my icon off, and I’ve said no. You don’t demand me to do anything. Asking goes much further. Especially if I’m in the middle of a small operation with like minded individuals going after a major objective without the hostiles knowing we’re there. I spent tons of gold on siege for my “shift” in EB and so does my guild as a whole. Does that mean we should have all commanders too? I think not, but that’s how this thread reads in its present state.

People that understand how WvW works and what it takes to “win” follow commanders that also know these basics. People also follow idiot commanders too and while annoying, they still have a purpose. Communication is the key to success and education of the WvW system helps a ton too. I’d be all for a new “fair” system, but what’s being talked about in this thread is “I have a huge EGO and nobody but ME should have the commander icon”.

That website is absolutely wrong….we being AR are in 2nd place. I guess someone got giddy and put the wrong numbers in….or wanted to see if someone actually checks the scores.

I think AR thought they might win, but I figured 2nd place was a good place to be. It keeps AR in the bracket for a couple more weeks instead of getting bumped down. BP definitely came out strong after getting over the events. The holiday has slowed stuff down too, but hopefully next week we can get it on.

Since unfortunately the other thread was closed due to an inflammatory nature, let’s see if we can get sincere posting here that doesn’t get closed down. No more with the they cheated, exploited, etc or whatever. Let’s get back to being “friends” that are all playing this game together for better or for worse.

Good times yesterday afternoon with the zergs vs zergs…most evenly matched matchup I’ve seen since here. Remember, zergs have a purpose, whether we like them or not.

/game on

Tier 7 is definitely competitive. Tier 8 used to be but then DR got too many influxes of players and active WVW population that they’re now looking at an upbump into Tier 7. There was another competitive tier beside 3, but I think that turned into a faceroll this week afterall. The link shared above for that website will show you the overall scores for the week thus far and every week that a matchup is going on. If you want competitive, you’ll move to a server that the numbers are fairly close and then it is just a decision of which one of the three you’re going to move onto. I’m sure any of them would be glad to have you.

You definitely won’t be bored when you move up a tier, though I don’t believe that’ll be happening for at least a whole other match up as GOM has enough points to stay up and so does Anvil Rock. From the looks of it though, you may have just enough active numbers to stay competitive in the 7th bracket instead of faceroll.

WvW is actually classified as PvE according to the “reds”. This is only a temporary problem and will be resolved as people get their gear…I’m sure those long queue’s will return that you love to hate.

My whole thoughts on the WvW JPs are….they shouldn’t be there. One, this gets rid of “they camped me” or “I’m going to camp you”. Two, this will free up WvW active slots for those that would like to actually PVP on the open world versus playing with each other in the JPs. And the big three, the last story arc in the game rewards you with influence and gives you a couple siege blueprints. If number three is given before one experiences WvW, then it’s pretty safe to assume that it would be more than possible to code JPs specifically to drop WvW loots in the regular world.

Above all though, it would free up these forums from mods having to step in and possible remove the whole “cheese and whine” threads caused from just the JPs in WvW alone. Further, if you honestly have to camp people in a JP because you can’t get that 1v1 time you’ve been looking for or you have a problem killing players that are your level (which often they aren’t anyways)…then there’s this game called My Little Pony that would be your cup of tea. Many other servers are capable of showing some respect in the JPs located in WvW….why can’t these three servers show a little sportsmanship in that regard….you’d be amazed at the results of a little JP respect to one another.

I was thinking either….most people are doing the PvE stuff this week (like our guild has been mostly) or that the impeding holiday has most people travelling about the country (world if the case is and they follow turkey day) leaving those on AR with a blessing this week. Of course I also thought we had to have had some transfers in…but that’s probably wishful thinking at this point.

Last time I looked at the score yesterday we were losing (AR). I checked late last night and saw a 500 point lead. This morning I noticed were were getting quite ahead, but still not a “perma” win. Either of the other two servers could easily take the win this week if they got into the program and started pounding our stuff out.

Every server has a zerg and pointing fingers to oooohhh you have a zerg and you’re pwning us….and then adding “I lost respect” is just the pot calling the kettle black. Just get that zerg you guys have and zerg the zerg……or take a long walk off a short pier.

So what happens when you leave a “winning” server to go to a “losing” server? Does that make you feel bad too or like you can become competitive again?

I don’t really see what the issue is. If you can hit a door from the outside with a catapult and it knock everyone inside back (to stop door repairs), what’s the problem with the defensive use of one on the inside. “Reality” aside, this is a video game and certain mechanics were not included to keep things “real”. Also, with the lack of an anti-ram device besides the pitiful oil that gets destroyed in 1 min flat with a zerg, what else should a defending tower/keep have in order to take out rams/people?

You propose taking away one side of the equation without thinking about the possibility that you’d also have to take away your “attacking” side of the equation as well for balance. So if you want cata’s abilities to be removed from inside, and all AOE abilities to not “pass through” or “go over the edge”, this means that only rams can be used to enter towers/keeps and that oil has to be made nearly invulnerable as well as the user given “safety” from said AOE’s that are in question in this thread.

As a former member of the Devona’s Rest server, I would not recommend going there. While they are in the bottom bracket, they are the “winning” server at the time being and will be moving up. They’re filled with trolls now and a lot of puffy chests and too see for anyone’s self all you have to do is to look at their match forum post for this week.

If looking at the bottom bracket, I’d highly recommend Ferg’s Crossing. From last I knew they had a highly active WvW period for the times you’ve listed as desired.

As with all other that have posted. I didn’t see anyone from Anvil Rock post (my new server). We’re losing to more WvW population during those hours listed as well as during the 6am-12pm EST time slot. There’s no queue’s except after server match reset and usually only for EB or the home BL, but never at the same time.

As with decision, every server has DINK’s on them, and pros and cons. Ultimately just go where you think you can make a change to the server’s morale, not to the “winning” server that has puffy chest syndrome. Making a change to the way a server handles WvW will go a lot further than just being stuck on the coat tails of a server already “winning”.

/bow

There’s other “leaders” on AR that have brains and know WvW tactics….the problem is, the population needs to be educated on what makes WvW “win” versus why you “lose”.

Some of BP’s new inhabitants have learned the “spawn” camp from being “spawn” camped themselves (hint Kaineng transfers). They’ve also learned some other stuff from down there that’s been helping BP get it together. Unfortunately for them, some of my crew moved into AR for last week trying to help folks out with some new things to do. All around though, hoping for another epic battle this week. I’m in hopes that even though there is this weekend event, that AR brings it this week and takes that 2nd place slot back over.

I knew about the marks (defensive, offensive, waypoints), but I elect not to use them at the moment.

From what I’ve read throughout the various topics answered about the “ranks” that are eventually being looked at for adding, they will not be an effective “rank” like the commander’s compendium book and the added icon to one’s halo. Of course there were mentions of an actual reward system too (maybe to replace the orbs or whatever).

I would certainly hope that either way, an individual who spends 100g to get the icon and status wouldn’t be shafted by an unwittingly dumbed down version of a way to get said icon and “title” through lesser means. A person can grind out like 10g a day with just all three types of nodes in a couple zones (so effectively 10 days to get the book). But for a person to get it through badges (as some have suggested) you’d have to have oodles of them for it to be a “fair” system. I’ve no problem with the idea of people being able to buy the book in other ways, but I would have a problem with those that worked for their 100g to get said book to be outdone by a new system that makes those books worth the equivalent of 5g.

And this doesn’t change emote taunts……because those still work fine.

@Ireniicus

Thanks for the heads up and info…will check that out.

Yea, no, didn’t want to end up on BP due to recent reputations afloat. Wasn’t targetting AR originally either, but, it’s grown on myself and the few from DR that came over as well and we run with the 8pm EST to 4am EST crews. We’ve (the server in general) have a 6am to 12pm EST gap that’s crushing unfortunantely.

I can’t speak for the entire server, but it would be nice to see a WvW active guild to come to Anvil Rock for helping us keep stuff during these hours of the day. Almost no Queue’s (cept when busy on reset night). Not looking for crushing defeat but staying competitive would be nice to keep up with Borlis and GoM’s numbers at that hour of the day.

Thanks in advance.

I only suggest this because at this time for one to complete a jumping puzzle in one of the battlegrounds means that they are taking up slots that active WvW’ers would like to have. Often time we see multiple people in the puzzles clogging up the slots and creating queue’s and never once actually “helping” the battle at hand.

At the very least, maybe consider placing the WvW puzzles on their own “server” so that the people that go there don’t clog the queue’s up, or slots, or whatever.

Bump up for my former guildies…

Who we are?

Equal Opportunity Haters. We’re a guild comprised of a few souls that left one of the top 3 guilds on Devona’s Rest looking for a more competitive bracket (which we found with coming to Anvil Rock).

What we’re into?

We’re a guild structured around WvW. However, often times we’re out farming in Orr to replenish the amount of gold that we spend on siege. We’re also trying to get people interested in doing instances for our WvW breaks.

We have a dedicated TS3 server as well as forums.

Find us in game on Anvil Rock by contacting one of our officers:

Iratus Gero, Anti H E R O, Tirnwold, Zarri, Kéyba

That was a long SM fight earlier in the evening then into the late hours. Sorry to all that EOH commanders left, but after spending over 10g on siege as a guild, we needed to go out and farm some nodes for making some of that back. I had heard that a few were “disgruntled” by our disappearance act, again my apologies but we want to be effective in siege placement. Now only if I can farm player nodes…so that I can put a player on ever piece of siege I lay down :P

Supplies are the big one for sure.

Don’t take sups from towers/keeps that are in the upgrading process. It takes much much longer to make those more defendable when one takes sups from the internal supply points. Where possible do supply runs (we aren’t making you do noob runs, everyone does it on an active and knowledgable server). Exceptions to taking from internal supplies are in times of need such as when you need to build siege quickly for defense and when you need to use supply to repair walls and doors from income attacks.

Most importantly, if you want to keep what you’ve just taken, leave a few people behind to work on upgrades and to be spotters for incoming enemies. Be specific in calling out incs…don’t just go HUGE inc. Give your people numbers, which side is attacking you, where you are. And if being siege’d you can give an approximate number percentile on what’s left on your doors/walls to let your team know it’s urgent or whatnot.

And the most most important….don’t run into the enemy border zones…you will die a horrible death and you can’t be rezzed there. Everyday I still see people do it, even though they know about it.

Lengendary items….no. Reward system for completion in bracket…yes. Rewards based on position, would be nice too. I suspect the legendary system is the way it is now so that not every Tom, Paul, and Harry have one. The stat increase from a Leg item really isn’t even worth it except for showing off.

Meh….it’s war. You don’t pick sides even if you want to. I have this red=dead mentality and two sides of red well…it’s just hard to see who’s what. BP picked up some peeps this week (heard from some friends on another server), but this is only the weekend. Once all the kiddies go back to school for their mid-terms this week, you’re going to see those numbers slow down quite a bit. I’ll give this bracket one thing, the numbers are by far the closest that I’ve seen in some time….which means we’re all fairly equal and not necessarily in numbers. If AR is the “weak” server and we’re managing to “push” fronts…what’s gonna happen when AR gets organized with the same amount of numbers?