Guild Wars 2

Kaimick.5109:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

SykkoB.9465:

again dude if anet is allowing the use of it PPL will use it

you cant say u can use it for pve but HEY if ur on a ac u cant it doesnt work that way

they need to just remove it and say u will be banned if u do use it and be done with it

I DO NOT USE EYEfinity because it just doesnt feel right but i cant blame ppl for using it if anet allows it

That is just it you don’t need to remove the Softwar support, why? Becuase some FEAR commander exploits it every chance he gets. What about users like my self that run it and do not exploit it?

Adding a Line of Sight Machanic to the Ac’s will solve this issue straight foward, with out the use of un-supporting the software. Although till that day comes they need to be banning people for exploiting the use of it.

Agreed, but adding a LOS to the AC’s would make using them for defense a bit more tricky. The better alternative would be to set them up like trebs. 1 and 3 to rotate (give it a faster rotary speed) and 2 to adjust the power as needed (make it charge a lot faster than the trebs) while the utility slots are for changing the type of ammo the ac uses.
As for the banning, I highly doubt anet would do such a thing. Unlike the whole karma incident, this has been going on for quite some time. Anet knows about it, people qq about it, and well, nothing has been done or said about it. Would actually be kind of a kitten move to ban people for this actually.
“HEY look, we provide support for eyefinity! So now you can see more!”
“Oh, cool, I can actually see inside of keeps, I wonder if using an ac would be better.”
-Several posts popped up asking about eyefinity
-Anet says nothing about it
-Some people decide it’s ok, and start using it
-Anet out of the blues just bans people
Yea doesn’t sound right.

Your new to this game aren’t you.

That was a huge thing when they banned people for exploiting the karma merchant. The 4k ban was out of the blue, maybe you should research it a little. In fact I am sure you can find something on youtube about it.

If you think that adding a LoS to Ac’s would maing it tricky to use them for defense you should probally learn what Line of Sight means.

Also if Arena Net doesn’t see an issue with eyefinity and the way Arrow carts are used they would not have removed the video that was linked earlier. The only reasons why they would have removed it would be

• it was abusive or slanderous to a player ( which it wasn’t )
• or it detailed exploitable issues.

Lol, I offer some ideas of my own and you call me “new to the game.” I’ll just respond to this. When anet banned the 4k people, they didn’t wait a few months to do so. The action was prompt and the fix was prompt as well. Keep in mind this was happening when the game had quite a few problems. Meaning, the team was very busy. Now, many of these things they got their hands full on, are now gone. This means more time to fix, or ban things like this.
Keep in mind that around 3 months ago, anet started to focus on fixing the issues of wvwvw, yet this one hasn’t been touched. So to ban someone for something you keep allowing for MONTHS without even saying, oh this is wrong, is a kitten move.

Snip “message body length must be less than 5001.”

The thing is, these things are noted and actions are being done against them. Meaning anet does not approve. You even said it yourself. People are being banned for it. Anet is making fixes to it. Read the patch notes. These incidents are becoming less common as anet is continually making changes to fix these exploits. Despite them being minor tweaks, they are still acting on it. What have they done to fix eyefinity in the last 3 months? Nothing.

And for your whole “oh they removed your ss, it must be that they are hiding it as it is an exploit thing.” Do you even read the forum code of conducts? I’ll add this little quote taken directly from the code of conducts “Do not engage in personal attacks against forum members or in character assassination. Posts that attack another member, that single out a player for ridicule, or that accuse someone of inappropriate in-game actions will be removed without notice.” This means, any post in regards to the oh look so and so is doing this will be removed. Simple as that.

Kaimick.5109:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

SykkoB.9465:

again dude if anet is allowing the use of it PPL will use it

you cant say u can use it for pve but HEY if ur on a ac u cant it doesnt work that way

they need to just remove it and say u will be banned if u do use it and be done with it

I DO NOT USE EYEfinity because it just doesnt feel right but i cant blame ppl for using it if anet allows it

That is just it you don’t need to remove the Softwar support, why? Becuase some FEAR commander exploits it every chance he gets. What about users like my self that run it and do not exploit it?

Adding a Line of Sight Machanic to the Ac’s will solve this issue straight foward, with out the use of un-supporting the software. Although till that day comes they need to be banning people for exploiting the use of it.

Agreed, but adding a LOS to the AC’s would make using them for defense a bit more tricky. The better alternative would be to set them up like trebs. 1 and 3 to rotate (give it a faster rotary speed) and 2 to adjust the power as needed (make it charge a lot faster than the trebs) while the utility slots are for changing the type of ammo the ac uses.
As for the banning, I highly doubt anet would do such a thing. Unlike the whole karma incident, this has been going on for quite some time. Anet knows about it, people qq about it, and well, nothing has been done or said about it. Would actually be kind of a kitten move to ban people for this actually.
“HEY look, we provide support for eyefinity! So now you can see more!”
“Oh, cool, I can actually see inside of keeps, I wonder if using an ac would be better.”
-Several posts popped up asking about eyefinity
-Anet says nothing about it
-Some people decide it’s ok, and start using it
-Anet out of the blues just bans people
Yea doesn’t sound right.

Your new to this game aren’t you.

That was a huge thing when they banned people for exploiting the karma merchant. The 4k ban was out of the blue, maybe you should research it a little. In fact I am sure you can find something on youtube about it.

If you think that adding a LoS to Ac’s would maing it tricky to use them for defense you should probally learn what Line of Sight means.

Also if Arena Net doesn’t see an issue with eyefinity and the way Arrow carts are used they would not have removed the video that was linked earlier. The only reasons why they would have removed it would be

• it was abusive or slanderous to a player ( which it wasn’t )
• or it detailed exploitable issues.

Lol, I offer some ideas of my own and you call me “new to the game.” I’ll just respond to this. When anet banned the 4k people, they didn’t wait a few months to do so. The action was prompt and the fix was prompt as well. Keep in mind this was happening when the game had quite a few problems. Meaning, the team was very busy. Now, many of these things they got their hands full on, are now gone. This means more time to fix, or ban things like this.
Keep in mind that around 3 months ago, anet started to focus on fixing the issues of wvwvw, yet this one hasn’t been touched. So to ban someone for something you keep allowing for MONTHS without even saying, oh this is wrong, is a kitten move.

Liquid.9672:

kyro.8162:

Liquid.9672:

I’ve always been curious about that AC on the outside of the Hills lord room. Is that getting LOS through the hallway somehow or is it shooting through the wall? I’ve seen them used against us on the other side (south side of the door) as well.

The whole offensive arrow cart thing during keep/tower siege has really been kitten ing me off lately.

Acs don’t have LOS, so if you can see it, you can hit it.

That’s what I meant, just bad choice of words. I mean, is it getting a target via a viewing angle down the tunnel? From the placement of it in that video, I don’t see how that’s possible, even with eyefinity or window mode stretching. Maybe it is I’ve never tried it, nor would I as I think it’s stupid.

Oh, you mean the third spot from the video? As for that one, I had no idea what they were shooting at, nor where the siege is inside lords room, so there is no way of me testing it. It is possible that he is shooting at the walls itself which would allow him to hit the siege on the second level of the lords room, as the walls aren’t very thick. This is also why guardian staff one is useful, as they can just face the walls and hit everyone through the wall. If he was using it to hit, say the tunnel, then idk, I’d have to test it when I have more time.

Kaimick.5109:

SykkoB.9465:

again dude if anet is allowing the use of it PPL will use it

you cant say u can use it for pve but HEY if ur on a ac u cant it doesnt work that way

they need to just remove it and say u will be banned if u do use it and be done with it

I DO NOT USE EYEfinity because it just doesnt feel right but i cant blame ppl for using it if anet allows it

That is just it you don’t need to remove the Softwar support, why? Becuase some FEAR commander exploits it every chance he gets. What about users like my self that run it and do not exploit it?

Adding a Line of Sight Machanic to the Ac’s will solve this issue straight foward, with out the use of un-supporting the software. Although till that day comes they need to be banning people for exploiting the use of it.

Agreed, but adding a LOS to the AC’s would make using them for defense a bit more tricky. The better alternative would be to set them up like trebs. 1 and 3 to rotate (give it a faster rotary speed) and 2 to adjust the power as needed (make it charge a lot faster than the trebs) while the utility slots are for changing the type of ammo the ac uses.
As for the banning, I highly doubt anet would do such a thing. Unlike the whole karma incident, this has been going on for quite some time. Anet knows about it, people qq about it, and well, nothing has been done or said about it. Would actually be kind of a kitten move to ban people for this actually.
“HEY look, we provide support for eyefinity! So now you can see more!”
“Oh, cool, I can actually see inside of keeps, I wonder if using an ac would be better.”
-Several posts popped up asking about eyefinity
-Anet says nothing about it
-Some people decide it’s ok, and start using it
-Anet out of the blues just bans people
Yea doesn’t sound right.

Liquid.9672:

I’ve always been curious about that AC on the outside of the Hills lord room. Is that getting LOS through the hallway somehow or is it shooting through the wall? I’ve seen them used against us on the other side (south side of the door) as well.

The whole offensive arrow cart thing during keep/tower siege has really been kitten ing me off lately.

Acs don’t have LOS, so if you can see it, you can hit it.

Kaimick.5109:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

kyro.8162:

oxide.8324:

XIII.6351:

Screenshot taken from the eyefinity link on gw2 forums. So what’s your point again?

Post an eyefinity screenshot showing how it’s possible to target inside the lord room of hills with an AC.

Oh wait.. it’s not possible to see inside with eyefinity alone, you actually have to zoom out.

You mean something like this? Note: NO eyefinity

LOL your standing right by the door, this is your defense now try standing around the corner like which was in the video, better yet try standing right against the tower face and aiming a AC into the courtyard with out it.

Here is a simple question
Is the Location of many screen shots and videos of the FEAR commander using an arrow cart possiable without eyefinity?

If the answer is NO, then you need to read Arena Nets policy on Exploits and how the define them. After you read it you will find that this is considered an exploit.

If your answer is yes please provide Screen shots or videos of this being possiable without Eyefinity.

An easy fix to this would be add Line of sight to the Arrowcarts. With this added in Eyefinity or not AC’s will not be allowed to be fired through stone or wood walls. Then again the longer Arena Net decideds to do nothing about it the more people will just simply stop playing the game. I mean WvW is becoming a bit dull anyhow with the same old maps. Now there is an obvious Exploit they are doing nothing about, and to justify it by saying it is possiable with this software is ridiculous when only 3 % if that has and uses it of the total population of players that play GW2.

I mean to all the SoR and other players that defend this exploit and say it is not need I remind you of the mass perma ban that went out in Month 2 of this game.

Karma Vendors sold yellow level 80 weapons for 45 Karma ( maybe 70 but below 100 karma ). Players bought the weapons and used the mystic forge to make them into Exotics. Now the yellows sold for 2 silver a piece ( to the vendor and 50 copper is that on the TP )the exotics sold for 45 silver to the Vendors and 2 to 5 gold on the TP. This was an oversight of Arena Net, there was absolutly no player fault here, yet 4k players got a perma Ban unless they openly apologized on the fourms for exploting. Question is why has Arena Net not done anything about this, Maybe it is becuase the Dev’s all play on SoR ( not sure what guild). Although I will say the more people that constaintly report this as a bug and a violation to the game the faster something will be done.

I personally hope anyone taking advatage of this exploit is perma banned be it BG members or JQ or SoR or ET. I run Eyefinity with 3 monitors but I will not use this exploit as I know I can not achiev this with out the use of the program. Then again I apparently am just a more good sportsman like player apparently.

You mean right here?

Your second picture is closer to the spot and thank you for showing that you cannot see inside the courtyard.

The second picture is to show the inner ac. Look on the mini map. I was at the inner gates.

Nightcrawler.3219:

kyro.8162:

oxide.8324:

XIII.6351:

Screenshot taken from the eyefinity link on gw2 forums. So what’s your point again?

Post an eyefinity screenshot showing how it’s possible to target inside the lord room of hills with an AC.

Oh wait.. it’s not possible to see inside with eyefinity alone, you actually have to zoom out.

You mean something like this? Note: NO eyefinity
In the second one, LOOK you can SEE above the gate, meaning you can shoot there, including any trebs placed in that general area.

You can see the treb, but can you target the ground and not the wall? Because just targeting the wall infront of the treb wouldn’t reach the treb.

I believe you can if you use the AC on the white spots, but I’m not going to waste 30 supply to test it out.

Kaimick.5109:

kyro.8162:

oxide.8324:

XIII.6351:

Screenshot taken from the eyefinity link on gw2 forums. So what’s your point again?

Post an eyefinity screenshot showing how it’s possible to target inside the lord room of hills with an AC.

Oh wait.. it’s not possible to see inside with eyefinity alone, you actually have to zoom out.

You mean something like this? Note: NO eyefinity

LOL your standing right by the door, this is your defense now try standing around the corner like which was in the video, better yet try standing right against the tower face and aiming a AC into the courtyard with out it.

Here is a simple question
Is the Location of many screen shots and videos of the FEAR commander using an arrow cart possiable without eyefinity?

If the answer is NO, then you need to read Arena Nets policy on Exploits and how the define them. After you read it you will find that this is considered an exploit.

If your answer is yes please provide Screen shots or videos of this being possiable without Eyefinity.

An easy fix to this would be add Line of sight to the Arrowcarts. With this added in Eyefinity or not AC’s will not be allowed to be fired through stone or wood walls. Then again the longer Arena Net decideds to do nothing about it the more people will just simply stop playing the game. I mean WvW is becoming a bit dull anyhow with the same old maps. Now there is an obvious Exploit they are doing nothing about, and to justify it by saying it is possiable with this software is ridiculous when only 3 % if that has and uses it of the total population of players that play GW2.

I mean to all the SoR and other players that defend this exploit and say it is not need I remind you of the mass perma ban that went out in Month 2 of this game.

Karma Vendors sold yellow level 80 weapons for 45 Karma ( maybe 70 but below 100 karma ). Players bought the weapons and used the mystic forge to make them into Exotics. Now the yellows sold for 2 silver a piece ( to the vendor and 50 copper is that on the TP )the exotics sold for 45 silver to the Vendors and 2 to 5 gold on the TP. This was an oversight of Arena Net, there was absolutly no player fault here, yet 4k players got a perma Ban unless they openly apologized on the fourms for exploting. Question is why has Arena Net not done anything about this, Maybe it is becuase the Dev’s all play on SoR ( not sure what guild). Although I will say the more people that constaintly report this as a bug and a violation to the game the faster something will be done.

I personally hope anyone taking advatage of this exploit is perma banned be it BG members or JQ or SoR or ET. I run Eyefinity with 3 monitors but I will not use this exploit as I know I can not achiev this with out the use of the program. Then again I apparently am just a more good sportsman like player apparently.

You mean right here?

oxide.8324:

XIII.6351:

Screenshot taken from the eyefinity link on gw2 forums. So what’s your point again?

Post an eyefinity screenshot showing how it’s possible to target inside the lord room of hills with an AC.

Oh wait.. it’s not possible to see inside with eyefinity alone, you actually have to zoom out.

You mean something like this? Note: NO eyefinity
In the second one, LOOK you can SEE above the gate, meaning you can shoot there, including any trebs placed in that general area.

BG has more than a sizable EU force. The problem with them is that they only hop into wvwvw when one of the HB commander shows up (from what I’ve gathered). BG actually has a lot of pugs floating about in EU. If you guys can actually recruit those guys into larger guilds, you’ll have an EU force to be reckoned with. Not sure if the extra bodies I’ve been seeing is from the overtime or not, but since so many BGs insist they aren’t pulling overtime, I’ll just assume those guys in the EU time zone aren’t guys pulling overtime. This means BG does indeed have a larger, but more unorganized EU force than SoR.

I think it was broxigar that thought of it. We should have multiple people from different servers keep count. Then, at the end of each match up we compare notes and take the average in an attempt to remove personal bias.

Ruin.3461:

Based on your post, isn’t your post itself running the same “no true scotsman” fallacy as mine?

You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

The fallacy itself is called the no true scotsman fallacy, which is part of a informal fallacy.

Gonna steal this idea.
Score Update:
QQ
JQ: 0
SoR:0
BG:2

Chest thumping
JQ: 0
SoR: 0
BG: 2

The new patch looks like they are changing the wvwvw meta. Things will get interesting in the coming weeks.

Ruin.3461:

LetoII.3782:

Ruin.3461:

LetoII.3782:

mallas.9836:

Wasn’t the superbox bug with zooming removed or said to be an exploit, yet a program is allowed to exploit (as what Kyro said)to use graphics bug (or something that is not suppose to be, the gap in the door) in conjuction with a program to kill people?

Leto, that also is a extremely unsmart comment. Computer or lack of a good system is one thing. Using a outside program to gain an advantage when a in game bug gave the same effect, but was consider an exploit, is so much different.

The point is its one guild’s commander. Whether or not its all of SoR or just 1 person. I assume that guild isn’t a tiny guild and this is a commander which is 2 huge things. Also you guys/girls coming in and defending that person for using, at best, shady tactics after all the we just want good fights talk from SoR, is pretty hilarious.

Like hell.
I have a late model system and a razer naga. You trying to tell me some poor schlub chugging along in a zerg fight at 4 fps and skill clicking has a chance against me? You saying thats fair? He has no chance, I’ll run circles around the poor guy. I see it all the time, usually a ranged toon trying to tab a target he can hit with no clue I’m standing at his knees about to burst him..

It’s no different than someone buying a triple monitor setup, I wont cuz I like the view my wife and I have of our backyard between our monitors. Heck, I don’t even have arrowcart mastery. But thats not the point, the point I’m making here is the ones that DO have this equipment deserve to use it. And the people complaining about it are basically setting the bar juuuuust above their own price range. This is the unpolishable kitten of the whole argument.

What you’re describing is called Pay-to-win, and it’s widely regarded as terrible design, both when intentionally implemented, and unintentionally implemented. Would you be fine with statistical buffs granted to players that purchase gems with real money? What if these buffs stacked the more you bought? Spending more money on a game is not a license for in-game advantages.

What you’re arguing for is your own equipment being the best acceptable.

Not at all. I’m arguing that external factors should be removed to the greatest degree possible in any competitive format in any game. This is always the goal of competition. Do you think it should be subverted because this is an mmo and we shouldn’t have standards here? What you’re arguing for is advantages that have nothing to do with your actual gameplay.

So basically you’re saying we should all get a Xbox one or ps4 then? Because there are TONS of different types of rigs with thousands if not millions of possibilities to build upon. With many mice, different keyboards, bigger monitors, multiple monitors, dual video cards, making the PC have a huge external factor. And you are saying they should be removed to the greatest degree. Xbox one, Steam box, HERE WE COME!

Well, assuming this isn’t a troll post and looking at your 4 choices of SoR, JQ, DB, and TC….
SoR has a widely used ts that almost every guild uses. The one or two that don’t still keeps reps in there though. Though SoR may seem like a good choice, a alliance of that size will only make SoR the undisputed champion of NA (probably EU as well) until people get bored or stack another server.
JQ also uses ts frequently and is faltering due to their lack of coverage. Mainly due to a mass exodus of fair weathers to DB or other servers. They can certainly use the extra help, but the EU time zone is VERY fragile at the moment. HB on BG is making a come back, but it is unknown if they will continue to play the game. JQ has RG (YOLO) who may or may not stay. IF both HB and RG decide to stay, the guilds you add may cause a unbalance in t1. (a 30 man guild in EU makes a big difference, a 400+ alliance with people pulling 16 hours is another story.)
TC as stated before uses mumble, but despite this they are still a solid server and a T1 contender if they have more coverage.
DB is in the same position as TC. A possible T1 contender if given coverage.

All in all, if you were to come to NA, TC, DB, or JQ is your best bet (if you are unwilling to split your alliance).

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

Ruin.3461:

LetoII.3782:

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

They are shooting through the gap on the door via Eyefinity. The whole unfair advantage thing this gives is bogus. People who can afford a larger field of view should play with a larger field of view. Nothing unfair about that. That is like saying people with the most up to date gaming rig has an unfair advantage over those with a toaster from 2001 due to lag/latency issues. Or those with a razer naga/g600 has a unfair advantage due to the readily available key binds.

Hate to break it to you, but the whole point of competitive gametypes (which wvw supposedly is) is to even the playing field as much as possible between all parties. This means each party has the same capabilities, with hardware affording ease of use, better visuals, etc., but not affording capabilities that is not accessible to other parties.

Right! everybody downgrade to Windows XP and a Pentium 4.

(I’m sure somebody is still using one and would appreciate a level playing field)

Apparently you misunderstood my point. Lower end hardware does not prevent you from performing actions that other players are capable of, though it may make it difficult. Without altered screen dimensions, it does not matter how kitten your processor and graphics card are, you will never be able to do this. Additionally, game developers try to cater to the lowest reasonable hardware specifications both to gain the largest market possible, and to prevent problems like this from arising for the vast majority of their playerbase. Why ANet allows zoom-unlocking in wvw is mind-boggling.

This is where you are wrong. A lower end hardware can prevent you from performing actions that other players are capable of. Some lower end hardware won’t even allow you to play the game!!! I mean what is this nonsense! I should be able to play the game with specs like these.
CPU: Motorola 68040 @ 25MHz
RAM: 2MB – 18MB onboard
Display: 256 colors at 1280 × 400
256,000 colors in HAM-8 mode
Ports: parallel, serial, floppy
RGB video, audio
Storage: 1.76M 3.5-inch floppy
120MB IDE HD
OS: AmigaDOS 3.1
“Workbench” GUI
If I can’t this is totally unfair.

“lowest reasonable hardware specifications”

It’s pretty obvious that developers don’t have control over the hardware setups that their customers are running. This has always been a problem with PC gaming, and is one of the things that consoles were designed to fix. Despite this, developers always work to give an even playing field to those who meet the minimum specifications or above.

What developers can control is what software is used to interact with their game, and typically ban everything that could give players an unfair advantage for using (see: every other competitive game).

I don’t know why you’re trying to defend this point. If I download a zoom or speed hack, is this legal within the game space because “anyone else can just download that hack too”?

No as those are hacks as even you admit to. The guy with the larger screen should be able to see more, no? The problem is not being able to see more. The problem lies in the acs themselves. Besides, A-net provided support for eyefinity, which by the way, allows those with a bigger screen to see more.

A hack is just a third party program that interfaces with the game. The problem does lie with being able to see more, because only select individuals have this capability. You can run the game without three monitors, you can’t run the game on a toaster. If ANet provided support for this, I doubt this was their intended use, considering it’s contrary to their entire design philosophy (allow everyone a level playing field with easy to access, homogeneous top tier equipment). The guy with the larger screen should not be able to see more, the guy with the larger screen should be able to see the same thing at a greater resolution, which is how almost every other game functions.

That isn’t true in the case of wider monitors as resolution can only go so far in this case. So, yea those with 3 monitors can and should be able to see more. That, like I said isn’t the problem. Seeing more shouldn’t harm the game. The problem lies within the acs themselves. And my original point was, you shouldn’t judge a server for anets folly, especially when every server has people using it.

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

Ruin.3461:

LetoII.3782:

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

Not really even if this is the case ( which it isn’t as I have it and can’t shot over a wall like that) lets humour the fact it is. This creates a un fair advatage to the people that do not have this ability, then again I have eyefinity and it still doesn’t alow me to do that. Although like I said nothign you can do about it, cause A Net will not punish them as the Dev’s supposedly play on that server so what have you. Way to go Arena Net

They are shooting through the gap on the door via Eyefinity. The whole unfair advantage thing this gives is bogus. People who can afford a larger field of view should play with a larger field of view. Nothing unfair about that. That is like saying people with the most up to date gaming rig has an unfair advantage over those with a toaster from 2001 due to lag/latency issues. Or those with a razer naga/g600 has a unfair advantage due to the readily available key binds.

Hate to break it to you, but the whole point of competitive gametypes (which wvw supposedly is) is to even the playing field as much as possible between all parties. This means each party has the same capabilities, with hardware affording ease of use, better visuals, etc., but not affording capabilities that is not accessible to other parties.

Right! everybody downgrade to Windows XP and a Pentium 4.

(I’m sure somebody is still using one and would appreciate a level playing field)

Apparently you misunderstood my point. Lower end hardware does not prevent you from performing actions that other players are capable of, though it may make it difficult. Without altered screen dimensions, it does not matter how kitten your processor and graphics card are, you will never be able to do this. Additionally, game developers try to cater to the lowest reasonable hardware specifications both to gain the largest market possible, and to prevent problems like this from arising for the vast majority of their playerbase. Why ANet allows zoom-unlocking in wvw is mind-boggling.

This is where you are wrong. A lower end hardware can prevent you from performing actions that other players are capable of. Some lower end hardware won’t even allow you to play the game!!! I mean what is this nonsense! I should be able to play the game with specs like these.
CPU: Motorola 68040 @ 25MHz
RAM: 2MB – 18MB onboard
Display: 256 colors at 1280 × 400
256,000 colors in HAM-8 mode
Ports: parallel, serial, floppy
RGB video, audio
Storage: 1.76M 3.5-inch floppy
120MB IDE HD
OS: AmigaDOS 3.1
“Workbench” GUI
If I can’t this is totally unfair.

“lowest reasonable hardware specifications”

It’s pretty obvious that developers don’t have control over the hardware setups that their customers are running. This has always been a problem with PC gaming, and is one of the things that consoles were designed to fix. Despite this, developers always work to give an even playing field to those who meet the minimum specifications or above.

What developers can control is what software is used to interact with their game, and typically ban everything that could give players an unfair advantage for using (see: every other competitive game).

I don’t know why you’re trying to defend this point. If I download a zoom or speed hack, is this legal within the game space because “anyone else can just download that hack too”?

No as those are hacks as even you admit to. The guy with the larger screen should be able to see more, no? The problem is not being able to see more. The problem lies in the acs themselves. Besides, A-net provided support for eyefinity, which by the way, allows those with a bigger screen to see more.

Ruin.3461:

LetoII.3782:

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

Not really even if this is the case ( which it isn’t as I have it and can’t shot over a wall like that) lets humour the fact it is. This creates a un fair advatage to the people that do not have this ability, then again I have eyefinity and it still doesn’t alow me to do that. Although like I said nothign you can do about it, cause A Net will not punish them as the Dev’s supposedly play on that server so what have you. Way to go Arena Net

They are shooting through the gap on the door via Eyefinity. The whole unfair advantage thing this gives is bogus. People who can afford a larger field of view should play with a larger field of view. Nothing unfair about that. That is like saying people with the most up to date gaming rig has an unfair advantage over those with a toaster from 2001 due to lag/latency issues. Or those with a razer naga/g600 has a unfair advantage due to the readily available key binds.

Hate to break it to you, but the whole point of competitive gametypes (which wvw supposedly is) is to even the playing field as much as possible between all parties. This means each party has the same capabilities, with hardware affording ease of use, better visuals, etc., but not affording capabilities that is not accessible to other parties.

Right! everybody downgrade to Windows XP and a Pentium 4.

(I’m sure somebody is still using one and would appreciate a level playing field)

Apparently you misunderstood my point. Lower end hardware does not prevent you from performing actions that other players are capable of, though it may make it difficult. Without altered screen dimensions, it does not matter how kitten your processor and graphics card are, you will never be able to do this. Additionally, game developers try to cater to the lowest reasonable hardware specifications both to gain the largest market possible, and to prevent problems like this from arising for the vast majority of their playerbase. Why ANet allows zoom-unlocking in wvw is mind-boggling.

This is where you are wrong. A lower end hardware can prevent you from performing actions that other players are capable of. Some lower end hardware won’t even allow you to play the game!!! I mean what is this nonsense! I should be able to play the game with specs like these.
CPU: Motorola 68040 @ 25MHz
RAM: 2MB – 18MB onboard
Display: 256 colors at 1280 × 400
256,000 colors in HAM-8 mode
Ports: parallel, serial, floppy
RGB video, audio
Storage: 1.76M 3.5-inch floppy
120MB IDE HD
OS: AmigaDOS 3.1
“Workbench” GUI
If I can’t this is totally unfair.

The point I’m trying to make is, this is a part of the game. Rich or foolish people are able to improve their game play experience and A-net is even providing support for these people. There is countless QQ threads about this, some you can do without eyefinity, others you cannot. Guess what? A-net made NO comment on this, meaning, you guessed it. They aren’t going to do a kitten thing about it.
If they do something about it, it kittens with those peoples game play experience, if they don’t, it kittens other peoples game play experience. So yea, A-net boned themselves from the start.
So generalizing an entire server, or guild isn’t going to accomplish anything. If you really want to do something about it, bug A-net to change the AC mechanics to that of a cata or something along those lines.

Ruin.3461:

kyro.8162:

Kaimick.5109:

Not really even if this is the case ( which it isn’t as I have it and can’t shot over a wall like that) lets humour the fact it is. This creates a un fair advatage to the people that do not have this ability, then again I have eyefinity and it still doesn’t alow me to do that. Although like I said nothign you can do about it, cause A Net will not punish them as the Dev’s supposedly play on that server so what have you. Way to go Arena Net

They are shooting through the gap on the door via Eyefinity. The whole unfair advantage thing this gives is bogus. People who can afford a larger field of view should play with a larger field of view. Nothing unfair about that. That is like saying people with the most up to date gaming rig has an unfair advantage over those with a toaster from 2001 due to lag/latency issues. Or those with a razer naga/g600 has a unfair advantage due to the readily available key binds.

Hate to break it to you, but the whole point of competitive gametypes (which wvw supposedly is) is to even the playing field as much as possible between all parties. This means each party has the same capabilities, with hardware affording ease of use, better visuals, etc., but not affording capabilities that is not accessible to other parties.

Eyefinity is accessible to other/any parties if they are willing to get 3 or so monitors. So these capabilities are accessible to all. Like I said, it isn’t as different as having a 17 button mouse which gives the user additional capabilities compared to other users without one.

Looks like Eyefinity. Supported by Anet so yea, not a zoom hack. Nothing you can do about it.

Kathy K.6812:

Medeyn.8562:

Kathy K.6812:

Zen.8497:

Kathy K.6812:

Hoots.9564:

Kathy K.6812:

I only used the 111k post when a JQ member decided to bad mouth BG. Other than that I’ve been really nice to them & how is that trolling? It’s not like I’m lieing lol

Who are you anyway? Your post history is so fresh it still has that new car smell. I’m a little afraid to read anything you write, what time frame was it that you were bought and devoured by The Black Hole?

I’m Kathy K.6812, I recently bought a Bugatti. Now that you know me perhaps we can be friends? :P This entire “Black Hole” reference should be taken as a compliment.

Blackgate is such an attractive server, guilds decide to go there out of all the other 23 servers & stay until the end.

I also personally think that it sounds a lot better than Beastgate, but thats just me

Death by Black Hole… When scientifically investigating the natural world, the only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.
Great Fights Guys, love those wxp ranks keep them coming!

You act as though guilds only die in Blackgate, well whatever happened to that huge guild from SoR [SYN] (think it was Synapse)?

Oh yeah they died off; now it looks like SoR has got a Blackhole of their own.

Every server has had a guild that stopped playing gw2 & moved on or just quit entirely and SoR is no exception to that.

[SYN] Merged most of their remaining members into HIRE for better PvX play. SYN was never huge in the first place. They haven’t ‘collapsed’ they just moved into a larger community.

Samething goes for BG guilds but you don’t see any Blackgate calling SoR a Blackhole :P

Its called a Black hole for the sole fact that many guilds go there only to have their players A) move guilds B.) quit the game C) convert to pve
Some of this is caused by guilds who started bleeding long before they decided to move to BG. The move just put the nail in the coffin. Had they moved sooner, they may have survived. Had they not moved, they may have survived. The thing is, however, it became a almost ritualistic occurrence on BG, hence the nickname the Black hole.

Idk, it seems EU might be a lot more balanced now. BG has RK and now the return of a well known commander (they always attract pugs), JQ now has RG, and SoR has IRON. The coming week should be interesting.

thatmaskedman.4508:

Gooj.8561:

Whoever that SoR ele was on FEAR; you’ve got to teach me your skills, I would like to know how to do this

Spotted by someone with a zoomhack (either the ele or someone else in their party, the ele may well be innocent), DT doesn’t require LoS to cast, and that cart position is not targetable without one. JQ did the same thing to Klovan last night at least once, then whoever it was decided to really make it blatantly obvious they were zoomhacking by carpeting the supply depot with arrow cart fire on their next attempt. Said cart was constructed right outside our gate.

It caught me off guard so I didn’t get screenies, I’d love to see some accounts banned if you can catch people in the act though.

An AC on that position can be clicked and targeted without the need of zoom hacks. It takes a bit of effort using the CTRL button and proper positioning.
Also, a properly positioned AC on a gate CAN hit the the top of a supply depot, which according to your post, JQ did do just that.

Gooj.8561:

Whoever that SoR ele was on FEAR; you’ve got to teach me your skills, I would like to know how to do this

Its called Dragon’s Tooth
Scepter-Fire 2, but yea, you really do need someone to teach you how to play an ele if you don’t even know about this.

You guys do realize that JQ is hitting SoR in JQ bl right? I mean SoR has a freaking 100g bounty on Indo (TW).

OnyxGryphon.6037:

OMG, yes folks, i’m starting to lose count … where were we … Attempt #8 by JQ on the fields outside of Klovan … JQ held the high ground even … say it isn’t so … yes i’m afraid so … wipe #8 folks by the depressing and spineless JQ …

Anyone starting to see a pattern here …

OMG, you’re starting to lose count at 8?!

Yay for karma train friday!

Actually, a lot of rallians run team orientated builds. The only glass we usually run is eles and their survival comes from positioning. Any decent player would realize that their build isn’t optimal for small scale battles. Especially against guys who trait themselves up to pick off zerglings. So, most people will run, as they aren’t built for small scale battles.

Dragon ball is utterly terrible. First they had the nourishment bug where participants can be invincible by eating a form of Pie. This was fixed in a few hours, but basically rendered Dragon ball unplayable for those who liked fairness. This is one of dragon balls problems. Dragon ball lacks any sense of fairness, as in, anyone can hop to what ever team they want. NO LIMITS.
I was playing on a 3v3 match up. Right at the start 2 of my teammates rushed the middle along with 2 of the enemy. I was 1v1ing another one of them. My 2 teammates lost and decided they were on the bad team. So they hopped over to the other team. The game didn’t even stop them like in spvp. I was effectively in a 5v1 game. At that point I decided to wait for more people to join the game to even things out. (This all happened in about 30 seconds) Before anyone else even joined, the game just teleported me out of spawn and I got obliterated by the 5 guys. Where is the kittening balance of that?

Aneirin Cadwall.9126:

Hickeroar.9734:

We’re facing a force 3 times the size of our 20-person zerg on TC BL. We’re driven back to Garrison from Bay, and then they simultaneously /laugh at us. Keep it classy, SoR. Keep it classy.

It feels like I’m always yelling at pretentious (or juvenile) PUGs about this. There’s no pride in winning with numbers. That’s something I stick by on both sides of a fight. I don’t yell about it because I think it ‘makes defeated enemies feel bad’ or anything. To the contrary, it makes us look like either bullies or idiots. Not that those two things are mutually exclusive… :P

I personally have more respect for TC than any world we’ve faced climbing up the ladder from near the bottom, and I’ve been Wv3’ing since the beginning (once I hit 80). I don’t actually remember which tier SoR started in, though. Someone can refresh my memory, I’m sure.

If I remembered correctly, SoR started in T7 at the head start. We bounced around T7 and 6 for a while facing the likes of NSP, DH, and SF. Back then all of our servers were evenly matched and the scores were actually decided at the last few ticks.

oxide.8324:

Aurust.8961:

oxide.8324:

Kryyg.8576:

It’s amusing how BG is doing blackouts to get even more guilds.

I mean they are the first server to cry when they lose, first server to gloat when they win, but the last server to try and help balance a tier.

I think it’s pretty safe to say, that you do not need more guilds, just organization. Try doing the right thing and sending your potential recruits to the server that does need them(JQ). At least, SoR refuses transfers and sends them both our way, BG on the other hand cares only about winning it seems and over-stacking their server.

Jeez really starting to sound like a SoR player there lol

Isn’t JQ getting RG again? If that’s the case it will make a significant difference to JQ’s coverage (and as a result, their competitiveness in the overall scoring).

No. he is probably starting to realize what SOR players knew for a long time, and why SOR generally has no respect for BG….

SoR didn’t think of balancing the tier when they accepted IRON and began getting blowout wins.

What’s wrong with BG accepting new guilds to become more competitive?
What evidence is there to suggest that JQ needs transfers more than BG?

Also sorry if 1 or 2 people gloated and hurt everyone on SoR’s feelings

It’s not that IRON lead to the blowouts (which by the way isn’t that large of a blowout compared to other SoR/BG/JQ matches). The real problem is that a lot of JQ na quit, or transferred, while some guilds on BG disappeared, leading to SoR victory. Combined with our pve players giving wvwvw a shot for the first time, a blowout happened. All of this happened in a short span, and was unforeseeable.

Krypty.3897:

Aurust.8961:

TIMMEH.8106:

Burl.9567:

WIGZ.8245:

Don’t really care what happens, Wagonbrand or kitten Coast, either way. Both can field comparable numbers to BG/JQ/SoR. TC and SoR have something in common, server wide blobs per map. Makes WvW look bad when that kind of approach to it is not only necessary but required.

Dat PPT… So boring.

BT is bored already?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED!?!?!

Thats not what he said at all……The server wide zerg blob approach to PPT is boring.

We have been having fun.

Perhaps they are forming a blob in response to the borderland crashing blobs that BT and RISE have been running lately. SOR NA usually has several groups going on a single map during NA prime and only form up to counter a blob….

Wait what. SoR only forms up to counter a blob? Isn’t SoR’s reputation primarily that you usually have absurdly large zergs? Maybe I play at weird times or something.

From what I’ve seen in wvwvw yes. When there is only one organized guild on a BL, all the militia/pugs/rallians follow that guild, forming the large blob. But if say, FEAR, TSYM, and Choo happened to be on the same map (this did happen when red bl was broken) they run in three separate groups. The merging happens when one of these guilds whether from JQ, SoR, or BG wipes to what they perceive to be a larger force (or really is a larger force). These guilds then start to run together, forming the so widely adored map zergs.

So in reality, no one really knows who started the map zerging, and since wvwvw is a persistent battle one map zerg could log off before the rest. This leads to players just logging in to experience these map zergs and complain about it. This also explains why so many people are complaining about SoR’s zergs.

Since SoR has a HEAVY east presence, the other servers tend to bunker down all in the same map, usually forming a map zerg causing SoR to form their own. By the time the other pst based guilds log in, they see the monsters they created.

This whole which servers got the most wvwvw oriented guild got me thinking
Adding numbers to this (# avg it fields-# on reset) correct me if I’m wrong

BG (Stole this list from Jahn)
NA (12): KnT (30-?), ICOA (?-?), BT (30-?), RISE (?-?), GOF (?-?), ATAC (?-?), PRO (?-?), RIOT (?-?), RUIN (?-?), WORK (?-?), RESO (?-?), OnS (?-?)
OC (6): MERC (?-?), LOTD (?-?), MEOW (?-?), NOC (?-?), URGE (?-?), XF (?-?)
SEA (6): THAI (?-?), ND (?-?), ND (?-?), WM (?-?), JL (?-?), NBB (?-?)
EURO (2): HB (?-?), RK (15-?)

SoR
NA (10): TW (30-30), FEAR (30-30), Tsym (40-60), Choo (35-40), LUN (40-60), Hel (15-20), PLUM (5-5), BMS (5-10), CAPS (5-5), VNG (5-10)
OC (2): OCX (?-?), HIRE (?-?)
SEA: NYS (30-?), SAHP (?-?), AFS (20-?)
EURO (1): IRON (30-?)
Pvx (4): GSCH (?-?), CDS (10-?), HL (20-40), UL (?-?)

JQ
NA (12): WARD (?-?), SG (?-?), NORD (?-?), DA (?-?), COF (?-?), AoS (?-?), EMP (?-?), HzH (30-35), Myth (?-?), SF (30-40), EM (?-?), vH (?-?)
OC (1): TKG (?-?)
SEA (6): GE (?-?), ATM (?-?), DC (?-?), EDMW (?-?), FOO (?-?), VAL (?-?)
EURO (0): -
Misc (2): FIRE (?-?), YAKI (?-?)

Another reason people may not want to gvg is that it gives away certain strategies that gives those guilds an edge against other guilds in wvwvw. You wouldn’t notice these strategies if you just get ran over by them in say five seconds, but would when in a direct confrontation with them and only them.

Killer.4709:

kyro.8162:

Killer.4709:

barrage.1089:

the SoR teamspeak is the second most populated teamspeak in North America, its not that hard to find so we do get ddos’d at least once a week usually 5 minutes after reset so it does tend to point to one of our enemy servers doing it

I’m actually curious where this information came from. According to who is the SOR ts the second most populated NA ts server?

Idk if this is where they got it from, but google works. http://www.gametracker.com/search/ts3/US/?sort=c_numplayers&order=DESC

Ya bud I’ve heard of google. Also know that at first look that says rank 12 (saw that when I googled it) and second it doesn’t list even close to all servers. So I’m still curios where this rank came from. Cause this plus the fact that 1 guy hosts both servers and the max is 512 with the bonus of both servers being close to that tells me that not only is someone bullkittenting you saying its #2 in the US but that the DDOS you all are claiming is really just some guy failing at hosting a ts server considering most are done by companies with actual servers not some dude with a spare computer.

It’s rank 12 because it is overall (including countries OUTSIDE of the US). With that aside, it still is rank 3rd in the US. Oh, and if you look the 512 slot is all for SoR, which means JQ has a different server hosted by the same guy, but separately (or something like that).

Killer.4709:

barrage.1089:

the SoR teamspeak is the second most populated teamspeak in North America, its not that hard to find so we do get ddos’d at least once a week usually 5 minutes after reset so it does tend to point to one of our enemy servers doing it

I’m actually curious where this information came from. According to who is the SOR ts the second most populated NA ts server?

Idk if this is where they got it from, but google works. http://www.gametracker.com/search/ts3/US/?sort=c_numplayers&order=DESC

phabby.8945:

Know idea what ddos even is

every thought maybe your just overloading the ts server with everyone trying to get in for reset.

Not that you have that many ppl on (cough stacked) lol

PSHHH what makes you think we have 440 members on ts?

Grithan Soulforge.5726:

So how are the queues on SoR tonight?

Beyond dreadful.

While I agree with you, it is kind of late for them to implement this as so many people already have commander titles. A commander badge based on rank, badge, and karma wouldn’t help as well. Many “sheeps/lemmings” have plenty of ranking, badges, and karma from following these so called random commanders. What is to stop them from getting a badge to further their own gains?

Anyone else like the map chat idea?

oxide.8324:

Go fill up SoR so that they stop calling BG and JQ stacked

You have an unhealthy obsession with SoR.

No. Flying would damage the game way more than help the game. If you can only fly for short durations, what is the point of aerial combat? It also gives leeway to getting stuck in the terrain and make siege warfare (wvwvw) pointless.

Anet actually promised guild halls to be released in guild wars 2. They said it wouldn’t be out at launch, but they way they said it lead many people to believe it will come soon. Now, 9 months in, not a single peep from Anet about guild halls.

scootshoot.6583:

Neuromancer.2148:

Masori.3528:

Also if you want to talk tough about us bailing on EU, get your facts straight… we didn’t leave EU servers because we got opposition, we left because there were not good fights.

Either we were facing a vizunah omniblob, who actually wiped us frequently,
or we had to face T3 towers with 101 arrowcarts and al being manned.

So you came to create what you had left behind? Can’t spell irony without IRON.

heh. I don’t think IRON expected all the wvw gamers on BG’s 24/7 FULL server to quit so quickly. This includes the 6+ guild transfers your server received 3 weeks ago.

You guys got another one in BT. Someone mentioned a Korean guild just joined you guys as well to make it to this Fridays reset.

They got BT and VK, but word on the street is, VK died as it transfered to BG. Poor thing didn’t even last a day in BG.

Otokomae.9356:

In addition to the removal of culling, the meta-game for WvW has changed quite a bit. You used to see QQ posts on the forums because one server or another was “zerging” all over the map with a group of 35 people all bunched up together; that group has now ballooned to 60-80 people! At one time, this was mainly a Tier 1 problem, but since this strategy is the easy-button way to take over a map, it has trickled down through all of the servers with enough population to handle it. And that seems to be the main reason why you’re seeing more lag, more often over the last few months (there was always lag, but it used to be a Friday-night problem, or an Eternal Battlegrounds problem, and many servers didn’t even notice it.) And the part that really gets to many people is that you don’t have to be in the big 80v80 battle yourself, anyone on the same map as that battle is going to be wearing out the “1” button on their keyboard until it ends.

Again, Anet is aware of the problem and says they’re working on it, and many of us are hopeful of a solution. I would actually be pleasantly impressed if they can really eliminate lag, as it seems to be something you run into somewhere in almost any popular MMO. It is particularly annoying in WvW, though.

Actually, the 60-80 group existed way before people complained about it. They only complained about the supposed 35 group because that is all they see.

Sweenisbar.9082:

Culling? Educate me please :P

Sweenisbar.9082:

Otokomae.9356:

It’s not happening on your end. Anytime there is a very large scale battle anywhere on the map (50v50, etc) everyone on the map gets a sudden lag spike until the battle is over.

My current specs are:
Intel Core i5-3570K Ivy Bridge OC @ 4.4ghz
AMD Radeon 6870 @ 950
8gb ddr3 ram @ 1600 9/9/9/28

And I’m getting the same lag you’re experiencing, as is everyone in my guild and reportedly everyone on my server. Your computer is doing all it can, the lag is happening on Anet’s end, though the Dev’s here on the forums have assured us that they’re fixing, and considering how they fixed culling, I think most people are willing to wait and see how it turns out.

Thanks for the reply. Its good to know ol’betsy here can still push out the fps. One thing i remember though is that it wasn’t like this when the game first game out. I rarely had lag in WvW even in mass battles. What have they changed to cause this lag?

Well they did remove culling.

Akio.1749:

Azure.8412:

oxide.8324:

SoR burnt out from all that PvD overtime?

We’re not burnt out haha. We never did any kind of significant overtime over the past two weeks. We’re just getting double teamed. we’re cool with it though. We love the challenge. You seem to always pop out when you guys win to troll and brag. i suppose you’re from RISE?

O_o What’s being from RISE got to do with anything?

Anyway, good fights in EB tonight. [RISE] had fun with our [JL] allies fighting against SoR and the (seemingly) revitalized JQ.

Hopefully the fights remain plentiful for the rest of the week and remember… Stay classy

Well it is probably because RISE transfered up to bg, and instantly started kitten talking the guilds on both JQ and SoR. Many of those trash talkers are gone, but like a certain other bg guild, it was enough to tarnish their rep. That rep will stay tarnished for a while, but in time people will look at RISE like an actual guild. But until then, RISE is viewed as a trolly bandwagened guild that feeds bags.

LOVING the new jq/bg tactic in EB