Guild Wars 2

The event was super nice , I didnt get lucky on exotics and I feel the rewards should have been better. The FOV update was a nice treat though.

Noctred.6732:

offence.4726:

@Noctred this is nearly not the case , when you have mechanics like dodge ( specifically to avoid these mechanics ) and alot of stunbreakers aswell as you can trait any class basically on a selfheal , bunker and so on.

Did you even read my post?

I mentioned dodges, I mentioned stun-breakers, I mentioned mitigating insta-casts while stunned.

My point is that it doesn’t matter. The fact that it’s avoidable just does not matter. A thief coming in late to a team fight will almost guarantee an instagib on somebody so long as he knows how to play and has proper positioning – and no, he won’t die immediately afterwards. I’m not really even basing this on hot-joins either. Go watch a decent thief play paids – Jumper’s stream would probably do @ http://twitch.tv/loljumper.

TTK that low is just unhealthy for games.

I dont need to I main a thief in tpvp , got him to rank 35 back when people were in their mid 20`s , this is what I do tpvp all day long ( did actually ) things got boring , same 3 maps , same game modes, lackluster paid tpvp rewards – whatever. Playing a thief competitively is the hardest thing to pull , and no you are not guaranteed anything in general if you make 1-2 mistakes you get stomped. This whole discussion started due to the unbalance from hotjoins and people playing x5 of the same fotm cheese build of the week. And yes I am defending the thief class to death because to pull a decent thief off is harder then any “skilled” warrior or mesmer out there. And people who constantly cry about thiefs stealth and such have no clue about the current class and mechanics and its almost always an L2P issue.

@Noctred this is nearly not the case , when you have mechanics like dodge ( specifically to avoid these mechanics ) and alot of stunbreakers aswell as you can trait any class basically on a selfheal , bunker glasscannon and basically you can counter any spec by switching in between these.

@TheGuy actually it requires massive skill , to get in “fail” an ambush and getting out of it from 1-2-5 people. Thief is fine as is if you can play him your can do amazing things if not you will die in the opener to most out there.
@NakNak its an L2P thing.

@LIvewire they will always complain , they cant even turn around and “face” the thief. In my oppinion they shouldnt pvp or enter a player vs player encounter. Problem is they cry on the forums and give a bad rep to the class and that pretty much sums it up.

elithrar.7143:

Instagib is bad.

But it’s also worth keeping in mind that thief/assassin archetypes are often decried as overpowered in MMO’s, because of stealth and their burst. There are definitely a number of players out there who would rather complain on the forums over learning how to fight/build against them.

+1 for this reply , problem is thiefs are not even a stealth class sure they have 2 stealth escapabilities but which are on 3 seconds if traited not counting shadow refuge with pretty much is a imovable stealth option aoe. Some fellow above said how can we defend insta gib thief ? Same goes for insta gib war , or insta gib shatter mesmer they need to be looked in same as thief was and nerfed like thief was. Try this reroll a thief in competitive tpvp and see how insta-gib op you can be before posting nonsense on the official forums if you complain about hotjoin then might aswell complain for every fotm class of the week build dont do it.

Merciless.5349:

Maybe it’s time for a pure Thief BS video? My last one only contained half of Thieves BS…

It’s hard to convince a Thief that his high damage is not justified because of his so called low survivability. In my experience, average Thieves will die after trying to insta-gib, while good Thieves will gtfo via Stealth, thus negating the statement “If I miss, I die.”

You are a funny fellow , since when thief is the only one who can “go in , miss” and then run away , what happened to ride the lightning , warrior can “rush” + whirlwind to get even more extra space if he fails , mesmer can teleport + stealth , am I missing something here ? Is it really necessary to restart saying l2p your class better and counter game mechanics ?

@tom Yea exactly game is not designed on 1v1 , hence the bunker builds countering everything atm by outlasting them.

@nerva no` kitten ? After the heartseeker nerf , the pistol whip nerf , the “stealth” shadow refuge nerf your solution is to nerf backstab and increase initiative ? Thief is fine as IS and Im gonna stop reading this thread because it derailed, has no constructive feedback just clueless moanings. Anet is smarter then to not read this , carry on.

@Distaste unfortunately this is not a “stealth” class it has 2 possible stealth skills if opted for traited for maximum of 3 seconds of stealth. I think a “stealth” class has a little more then 3 second stealth-invisibility option. It is a roamer class with high mobillity but not what most of these rabid casuals call it.
@Dual yes indeed no matter how you explain it or just simple put it in black and white even if its truth or not.

Sure after they nerf mesmers , warriors , bunker build guardians.

XII.9401:

Volrath.1473:

With my warrior i can nuke down ppl in 2 seconds and i hear very little compleint about it and on my Engi, rarely a thief can kill me by itself you must be doing something wrong.

As for eles, the glass canon ones are wet paper, not just for thieves, warriors, rangers and mesmers for example can easily destroy them.

I guess you need to spec and gear a little smarter, cuz your obviously doing it wrong.

Full toughness exotics:armor, weapons and Trinkets on my engy with 24k health from the trait line. I get killed in under 1 second. If the thief fails the initial approach, they run away and return when the abilities are on cool down. Similar thing with my ele: full toughness cleric exotics and it still happens. The traits are full arcana and water.

Can any other class in the game get in, kill in under 1second and if it fails it can get away and return to do so? No..

I keep seeing the same useless argument from thieves: L2P said in different ways. Reminds me of someone drowning trying to hold on to anything.

Tell you what..how about once the thieves are balanced you try and do the same thing or try it with a different class. You can’t..guess you need to spec and gear a little smarter when that happens, cuz your obviously going to be doing it wrong. See what I did there?

Try to bring atleast some decent arguments to the table, since when thief can get in and kill in one second ? Did you hear about 100b warriors popping elite and quickness ? Did you hear about shatter mesmers doing 12k in a shatter ? This thread is a “fun” read try to learn your class and maybe counter them ? Its people like you who dont know anything about a certain class just gets stomped once , twice, 10 times by a class when your using the wrong stats , wrong gear , wrong traits and come to the forums to bash a class. Try bringing some arguments , theorycraft but not empty words please.

nerva.7940:

my friend who plays a skilled thief engages zergs at will, picking off 2-3 people before disappearing. he basically never dies. again, it’s not about “with proper communication, skill and timing, thieves are no problem.” it’s a zerg! why should anyone engage large groups without any fear?

Why not ? It`s all about the persons “skill” after all , if he manages to sneak in 2 kills in a zerg and that means what ? That those 2 kills will stop them from destroying the gate/wall/keep ? I hate to break it to you but thiefs have no permanent stealth without talking about shadowrefuge ,you can stealth for a maximum of 3 seconds if traited hide in shadows selfheal has a 30 second cooldown. Try making better points or roll a thief and try to apply your friends tactic and see how it turns out in da big zerg.

nerva.7940:

Thieves are manageable in organized tpvp, but they’re the plague of casual PvP in wvw and spvp. A lot of people are really turned off by this.

I really dont understand how thieves can be a problem in wvw when your running with other 15-20-30 dudes behind u ? Or what is the purpose of ppl yelling on map chat “Hey where is the zerg so I can join you guys” ? And the only issue with hotjoin is that they will probably limit the classes that can join and fix this issue once and for all ( oh wait no nerf thieves!? ). Hotjoin is not a serious pvp mode and will never be as long as they do not limit the ammount of classes that can join you will only see 10 mesmers , 10 thieves or like one month ago trend 10 warriors.

Like a poster above said fix yourselves before attempting to fix another persons class he was right on the money , after so many thief nerfs people still have the nerve to cry for more nerfs ? Why is no one talking about the mesmer who is broken 1v1 since the game realeased. I understand more then half of the community has a casual player base so most of the people dont really understand how to counter some mechanics even if you show them a full step by step tutorial but this is getting boring honestly. People crying about 5 man team thieves being op or heartseeker spam destroys everything when it got nerfed to hell. People who cry for these nerfs really need to play a thief competitively and stop posting on the forums alltogether because they have no clue about the thief.

@Marcus because usually these troll comps get stomped on the 1st and second map. Any 5 man team with a presetup and tactics will counter you. 4 man guild is not a 5 man team though. Im sick of ppl trolling about thieves especially from the “hotjoin” PoV which dont count if it did anet would limit the classes who can join by now. So you can try your 5 man team in paid tournaments and let me know how it works for you in a private message.

MarcusKilgannon.5048:

offence.4726:

You people need to run some tpvp from time to time if you complain about thieves being op or being played by everyone. end of line

I ran Tpvp, with two friends. We were all thieves and made it too the final round. Really? It was all of our first time playing a thief and we did that well. There is no excuse for that other than you just hit Steal, backstab and spam heartseeker til their dead.

Unfortunately heartseeker was nerfed with also a few other “spammy” thief skills and you only made it to last map because you we`re playing against a random pug. Try running your setup vs a real team next time.

You people need to run some tpvp from time to time if you complain about thieves being op or being played by everyone. end of line

Its actually a good tweak rather then a nerf , you have better control with it , anyway qqers should have stopped bringing thief up in arguments after the second pistol whip nerf. So no crocodile tears sorry guys.

This needs to be removed. Its the worst thing when trying to group up without a LFG tool !?!

K/d should have been in here from the get , go. As it is in most competitive games.

Paid will fix nothing , Free tournaments are alot worse then they we’re 2 weeks ago , ppl constantly leaving you always face the other team with a man short this happening on the first map im not gonna talk about the 2nd and 3d so its pretty much chaos and ppl will stray from them because they are worse then hotjoins atm. Free tournaments need a fix before they get paid running imho. And they should have added a matchmaking system before paid aswell.

@Unicron next your gonna say team clans that run 3 guards are easy to beat aswell , unfortunately if 2-3 ppl que up with half of a decent setup knowing how to portal and assist will beat you. Atm solo que is dreadfull to say the least this game is in desperate need of a matchmaking system which is still not announced, as for the above posters talking about game sync lawl probably gw2ringer ( guessing ) maybe 7 teams with a hardcore mentality which are considered top tier ( not mentioning paradigm , legacy an a few known ones ) in a game with over 2 mil purchases I think says alot about the competitive state this game is in atm.

There is no competitive tpvp , random solo teams running 2 mesmers and 2 bunkers steamroll most “pro guilds”. Most of the “hardcore” ppl left the game in wait for more pvp features. And your in for a long wait for ladders and rankings If paid tournys dont bring nothing but gems as reward im gonna leave it to the casuals too.

First of PvPers should be able to make a legendary aswell and use it in pvp , since every simple random can craft a legendary and get it into wvw. The original guild wars was pvp centric game and soon people will realise that the sequel is just the same with a bonus pve side.

Thing is random pugs running 2 mesmers and 2 bunkers own your friends. So its a 50-50 while queing solo

We are losing games cause of this bug , and now ppl get dced and timed out and get endless loading screen. When will this be fixed already ?!!

This problem is not fixed , it happens on a daily bases atleast for my team-mates. When will this be patched ? PvP is unplayable like this atleast for tpvp.

There is no incentive to play these “paid tournaments” what for some gems ? which you trade for ingame currency ? Hardly a reward when ppl farm for the currency easy nowdays. We we’re expecting ladders/rankings , more pvp maps , different pvp game modes besides the obvious objective based ones. Very dissapointing

Yea the wiki makes sense , I would be dissapointed if they will add them via paid tournaments. Make it the hardest grind at least everyone has a fair chance on getting them not earlier.

I have only one question regarding paid tpvp , and let me say its wonderful that we finally got a glimpse of the future pvp . Is there any difference between the free and paid chests ? cultural armor wise ? or just the gems are the bonus ? Hope someone clears this up for me.

People still need to learn how to react in spvp , it seems that all this crying about nerf haste , reduce haste comes from unexperienced and new players. Easiest thing in this game is to avoid it with just one dodge you can break a whole haste combo leaving the opponent open without any endurance and defences. Like everyone posting in the last few days im just gonna say its an l2p issue.

The game lagged badly last night 3-5 secs in tpvp and spvp , im hoping it was due to the patch. Will see how it plays today.

@Spicyhash exactly , haste is not the problem , certain abilities are and from what I see they keep on bringing the nerf hammer, thiefs atm are the nerf flavour of the season , mesmers got a nerf ( one nerf and the first ) and everyone is raging and crying get a grip folks mesmer still has alot of specs and still is the best 1v1.

It seems that thief is the favourite nerf class this season , after they nerfed heartseeker now they reduce p/w by 15% which is alot ( awfull anet ) , mesmers we`re the only ones untouched well i guess the qq caught up to them aswell. Cya all in pvp

@LonelyReaper: Everyone knows that mesmers are broken in 1v1 and pvp , they need alot more nerfs then this , ppl qqed about thiefs after they pretty much nerfed heartseeker now they nerfed p/w I hope to see alot more mesmer nerfs. And in regard of the pve vs pvp argument gw1 was a pvp game this leaves gw2 still a pvp game with a touch of pve do your homework next time before you post a qq thread.

Slowly the mists is dying since the blogpost still isn’t out yet , most people left for other games or moved towards pve and wvw. Sad situation so far.

Ppl should complain about 100b warriors too then and bunker engi who can take 3 ppl at a time, self ress and so on. l2p and stop complaining

PvP is lacking , deathmatch is needed for sure only pvp objective based games are no fun , and tpvp gets tedious when to win u need 2 bunkers and the same premade setup with a trebuchet mesmer.

@dan obviously you didnt played gw1 and no everyone is looking at your gear and “axes” you 10 times a day how did you craft that set , whats that item called so your theory “no one is looking at you gear but yourself” is blown away real easy. The grind gets tedious after rank 40+ im not gonna disagree with that.

This is a real issue and its even worse then previous mmo bgs i will not list , nobody chats almost never inside the bgs and if they do its something like nubs , fail team or smthing similar. And basically same goes in the Mists lobby ppl either bragging on their lawl hard farmed rank or saying how boring the pvp is.

Ppl already stopped spamming for tpvp grps in the mists. We need that blog post asap.

Still no news ? regarding spvp changes the clock is ticking cmon.

They should at least let us go into town with our spvp gear. Atm spvp seems like a minigame quite underwhelming in a PVP centered game.

It`s really a joy seeing the devs. playing their own game with us <3 keep it up

Yes indeed , they can use a visual upgrade imho but the flame legion set looks very good aiming for that

@Aragiel that`s so true , my feelings exactly this is why I stopped doing the rest and just focus on sPvP and tpvp we should at least have an option to roam into pve towns with our gear it`s not fair that pve players can roam in wvw and we cannot bring our gear there.

Worse map indeed , and it has the smallest layout imo. Hoping for more maps soon.

No need for arenas, after anet will implement duels and paid tournaments things will be on track , arenas really kill a mmo with unbalance.

Yes im hoping they will fix it fast. Guild tabs are empty.