Guild Wars 2

XII.9401:

This thread should be closed.

It only demosntrated that Anet is very slow to react to balancing its product (3 and a half thousand replies on this thread and still no balance to the thief is made).

Even if they try and balance the class it is too late for the following:

1.The class has many OP features and I’m sure they will address one or two and the players will simply gravitate towards other OP builds because..well..the class is broken. Example: http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Infiltrator%27s_Strike will not be fixed. You can drop it INSTANTLY and WITHOUT any indicator to where it is to anchor u in a spot like a mesmer, walk into a melee, and if the fight goes bad then use it to teleport you back INSTANTLY for more than 1800 range ..oh..and it breaks stun.. Good luck balancing stealth with things like that around..esport..wow..

2.As a consumer of a product, if a company demonstrates that it is too slow or incapable of addressing flaws in the product in a timely fashion, it is an indicator that it will repeat the same performance with other products, e.g. balancing ele, mesmer, guardian etc.

3.It is basically too late. By the time they are done with the thief class and start thinking about another class, other mmorpgs with a bigger fan base such as The Elder Scrolls Online will be out.

MMorpgs are not something new anymore and customers patience with imbalances is much less than before. Hope Elder scrolls doesn’t make the same mistake.

These kinds of posts are a real funny treat 8 months into the game release. No matter how many tutorials and weak spots we’re given OP shall remain OP !

What makes the thief OP ? It has been nerfed every single patch since launch and you still call it OP ? People without class knowledge will call it op everyone else who has abit of practice with it would call it squishy , lowhealth , great mobility and finally a class rendered useless with the upcomming changes to stealth. ANET is doing a great job the problem is the massive qq overflow forces their hand and they need to “please” the carebear central community or else people will be leaving.

Can’t wait for the next patch it’s either make or brake for many thief’s such as myself who invested wayyyy too much time and gear into it. So it’s basically a lose – lose situation either way for the game.

Who will want to continue playing with thief ? It’s basically nerf after nerf after nerf. At this rate would be probably best to just remove the class instead of bleeding it dry.

WvW can be alot of fun for a while , running around in zergs and running 5 km to find a few solo ganks gets tiresome quite fast. If you want to find fast opponents it’s easier to jump into hotjoin or tournaments. It’s alot more fun in the long run atleast for me.

Auesis.7301:

I can’t wait. The sooner the QQing quietens down, the sooner we get buffs in other areas that we deserve. Sadly, I don’t think the QQing would end even if dagger auto-attack became “slice your own wrists and cause 25 stacks of bleeding to yourself. Enemy receives a written apology in your blood upon death.”

The qq will continue maybe a week tops after these next nerfs. Nothing will change but our class thief which sooner or later will become unusable. Carry on

Dasorine.1964:

the nerf will only hinder those that where trying to use it for other things, those that use it in pvp will still faceroll the majority of the people who struggle with how it is now simply because they still won’t learn how to counter it.

Unfortunately that just means they’ll continue to whine and no doubt Anet will kowtow and nerf us some more on a continual cycle until its carebear central.

What ? It’s already carebear central. There was maybe 1 month or less after the heartseeker nerf back in the day , people chilled and no one was saying THIEF is still OP. After that and up untill now everyone cries and wants hard nerfs. I already stopped playing WvW/PvE. Just stomping it in spvp it actually bugs me that I was right about the whole mega nerfing aspect on that side. After investing way too much in my PvX thief.

If this is what we are being reduced to why play thief anymore ? I just dont get it

kittenzlenit.7648:

You guys realize this will change pretty much nothing? Thieves will still be able to stealth more than 50% of the fight, perma stealth will still work, etc.

The only thing that doesnt work anymore is CnD -> Wait untill Stealth runs out -> CnD -> repeat

But that wasnt what people have been crying about before, so quote me on that, people will still complain as they do now… untill they might realize that they are just plain bad at the game and it has nothing to do with the thief being overpowered but oh well…

+1 for you , I’ve been saying this for 7 months now , but don’t you worry people will still complain about it.

The complains will start after the major tweak patch this month , saying that “oh no they didn’t do nothing to stealth , thief is still 100% invisible bla bla bla”. Personally I play in the mists from now on casually even though I have invested everything in my high-end BiS thief. Im tired of these new tweaks and nerfs on a monthly basis forcing us to play the class in a different way.

It gets stressful tbh and in the end the gameplay should be rewarding and fun , it’s becomming more of a chore to login on the thief nowdays. The casuals must be happy. Good luck

vespers.1759:

Dasorine.1964:

they still take damage and stealth doesnt stop that.

how do i do damage to someone who is invis other than with a lucky untargetted aoe? also what aoe do i use as a ranger? i have barrage on longbow, nothing on shortbow, nothing on sword, nothing on horn, nothing on dagger, nothing on axe, and nothing of GS. i could run traps, and hope the thief steps into one but unless specced they fall at your feet. the flame trap that is probably the best dps trap will only activate when the thief is right on top of me (unless traited but that’s even more based on luck than untraited) and the terrible burn dmg will surely pose a threat to the thief who hits me for 7k+ a hit!

then of course the thief will simply stealth again in 3 seconds! wahoo! and my pet, who will never land a hit on the thief also provides the thief with an extra target to stealth off of.

You saying thieves dish 7k HS proves that you know zero to nothing about the class. Since HS was nerfed back then 3 months ago , don’t worry thief will always be on top if everything fails you will be ruined by condition dmg. ANET needs to be really smart on adressing this stealth issue , less thieves means less players. Try to be smarter and informed before posting your carebear oppinions.

The proud carebear community should rejoice , they been crying for 8 months now about a class they don’t have a clue about. It seems that spamming the forums over and over gets you places and brakes classes. I wonder how much more they can nerf the thief untill a big chunk of players will ditch it and leave the game aswell.

It’s one of the easy dailys , and Yes I have a guilty conscience for killing dem helpless bunnys still weird that they allow it

Getting the same error code. Hope this will be fixed soon. It worked fine earlier :/

Well hello gw2 community , back from a long brake after the new implemented aggro stealth tables which pretty much destroyed thief even more , we get these new awesome guild perks/missions and ascended accesories. 40 laurels + 50 ectos for one piece that’s just great no grind at all ( wth ? ) , these patches are getting worse by the date with new gated content I used to praise this game like a madman , now I simply won’t log on to grind more pink gated gear. Hoping for eso to give us some more hope even though I doubt it, the mmo scene may rest in peace.

I tried this new map last night and all I have seen was people zerging in the middle. Quite awfull if I might say. sPvP carry on

It pretty much broke CnD on animals atleast in WvW thus the d/d build will suffer quite alot , not to mention the PvE dire situation. What could be the logic behind this ? None probably , stealthing should make you dissapear and lose aggro not pop out of it and mobs tag you instantly I call this major kitten. I for one will take a brake alltogether and only do the ocassional spVp wtfpwnage on my mesmer. That is all I guess the qq’ers win again.

RTL nerf is well deserved , the highest mobility skill with the shortest cooldown ingame ? No thanks , every competent player knows that d/d spec is the strongest atm , they should have nerfed alot more dmg.

Well , well the thief discussion is pushing forward , it’s been how long ? 8 months ? First it was heartseeker , then it was 100 stealth skills , bow damage , caltrops , culling bug ? now it’s CnD ? Or i may be forgetting some lawl.. so many .After so much time I would have thought people would have learn to use proper skills or got better to stop complaining about thief gameplay which received the most nerfs so far. When will this casual playerbase rest with the thief already ? It’s not even boring anymore it’s irritating when other classes as mesmer and ele run full boons allthe time and have the same mobility. Give it a rest or find a good tutorial on youtube to counter it. Class is where it should be it doesn’t need to be destroyed. eof

If I can recall corectly every major gaming title ported to PC was a major flop , the only thing untouched are the PC mmo’s no need to ruin them too. No thank you

Sorry to hear that OP , to be honest i’ve taken quite a brake myself but due to other games im back on the horse though. Besides the many dungeons there is a complex PvP system ranging from casual to (hardcore) paids , WvW which is the best thing and is on a constant change especially played within a community , crafting professions , world exploring , maxing a main chars stats , ascendant gear, getting the best looking skins ingame ? Way too many things so im not gonna waste the forum bandwidth but you get my point I hope

This would probably be the worst move yet , having to deal with the new ascendant gear aka vertical progression would mean that we need to regrind allover again at the raised level cap. I sure hope they will not go this route.

NA skillz haha , mesmer is so “hard” to play these days.

This is why WvW > current sPvP. Sad but true

Yea yea those 3 second stealth on long cooldowns are really a game breaker . Too bad this class is always visible unless hard traited. Atleast try and read the thief tooltips on skills before posting another kitten clueless thread.

Quite in achievment , im over 700 hrs now played on and off overall I love the game.

@TidusFTW yes as usefull as your 1100 hours the no life is strong in you.

One of the serious threads out here so im gonna chip in, first of all people need to understand the term “pay to win” , in gw2 it’s clear by now I hope for everyone that there is no gap between stats at higher level ( minus the ascendant pieces ) and everyone plays at the same level. Cosmetics should never be considered pay2win and if there are some gw1 players left here and for the new guys , gw1 was all about the skins at top level with the same stats.

Some people still rage about the ascendant gear from what i’ve been gathering I did too , and after getting my 3 ascendant pieces I realised that the upgrade is kitten basically +30 power or stat , getting good food – sharpening stones can get you +200 stats so that’s that. Also they announced that the gear will be available from wvw , dungeons and the rng will be removed completely im sure stop crying about that.

So we return to the first point why are people crying for ? They have the best stats from doing the regular dungeons now they cry about the “skins” ? They are optional stop calling it pay2win.

Chose the Very High servers , there are plenty after that try finding a guild. From there on just have fun

Warriors and Guardians are the worst roamers , but im not gonna say anything else/or else people say we be trolling

I bought this game especially for the PvP aspect , after playing 1k tournaments winning alot of paids , building my sets , I have come to the conclusion the pvp is very stale. Also the “gather up 5 active people on a daily basis and getting them on team speak” was a hard enough deal.

The PvP maps and layouts are way too small , every 2v1 , 3v1 fights behind the corner in pugs became just a little zerg running to gun you down no thank you skillerz. I stopped pvping at glory rank 35.

WvW is the way to go for decent PvP.

The culling bug was fixed. Is it that hard to do a countdown from 3 and ? dodge ? spam aoe ? We can’t play the game for you.

Narkosys.5173:

I think that there is an advantage to legendary weapons. They are grind proof. Anet stated that they will continue to be BIS no matter what in perpetuity including agony ect. So the stat bumps will continue whenever a new tier of gear is released which is about 7 months.
Since we dont know how hard the new weapons will be to obtain I expect it to be like now in fracs. RNG dungeon running only.
I see that as a huge advantage over someone who doesnt have one.
So if someone wants to buy that advantage I say let them. It means they probably got gems ->gold for it.
I would also like to see it in the cash shop with a little bump in stats over others cause it is also purchased with RLmoney.
You should get a bonus for supporting anet and giving them real money outside the box fee.
(like ascend gear – the stat boost is meaningless so a RLM Legendary has a meaningless stat boost as well)

BiS ? Hardly, fast comparison between bis exotic and the so called bis legendary –
Let’s compare :
Berserker’s Destroyer Dagger
Weapon Strength: 923 – 981
+90 Power
+64 Precision
+5% Critcal Damage

over the Legendary Incinerator :
Weapon Strength: 1000 – 1062
+98 Power
+70 Toughness
+70 Vitality

Except the obvious damage boost the stats are awfull . 70 toughness on a thief ? And vit > precision, loss of crit ? No Sir , im gonna say just meh. I don’t know about the numbers on the other weps but the legendary dagger is hardly legendary by it’s stats.

Funny thread , the whole point in WvW is to gather your army vs their army. And now people complain about a few roamers here or there running glass cannon builds which can be 3 shotted in aoe? What’s next ?

After going back for a free trial to a previous well known star wars centered MMO , played for maybe 30 minutes and said omg how can I alt+f4 faster to log back in gw2. This game has the smoothest controls and gameplay in a long time. Everything is responsive and fast paced. The only real lack in pvp is the game modes , arenas and ofc duels. The PvP in this game has a looong learning curve don’t be fooled by that.

It started off with ToR , when the masses claim that they don’t want to grind anymore that they want to have the same gear as the people playing more and harder.

By the looks of it this new age mmo mentality is spreading like a virus , some people saying its the “entitlement generation”. Every game needs to have a slight grind or else what do you play for ? Just for Fun ? how long will that last ?

For me gw2 is a hardcore MMO , where you have the option to do anything you want on a large scale or small. This game design is flawless yet people still cry about it being bad despite the numerous awards and game direction ( not mentioning ascendant gear ).

On a final note there is grind in every game nowdays either MMO’s or single player games.

Congratz GW2 , winner on all accounts. Don’t let us down in the future <3 happy wintersday.

Gluttony.2017:

agreed. GW2 really doesnt deserve it at the moment. DR, buggy one time events, class balancing really needs another look-over etc. overall there is just to much stuff that needs to be fixed before it deservers a goatee.

And offence.4726 why are you on the forums complaining about the complainers?
Man, those damn "kitte"hurt people in here that complain about the complainers . Why are you on the forums if you are not playing the game? Makes you wonder how sad people are* before christmas.

I really dont I just like to point them out if you hate a thing why do you feel the need to stick with it ? Are you a masochist ? Same goes for these posters. Too bad gw2 doesn’t have a sub fee , if your account is not active you cant post on the forums. A feature like that is missing.

So many kittehurt people in here why are you on the forums if your not playing / hating the game ? Makes you wonder how sad are people for christmas

Anyone saying there we’re better games released this year besides gw2 and Mass effect 3 (Arkham city) is worth a mention , bioshock infinity not here yet, so are pretty much clueless about gaming/history. Seeing walking dead and journey mentioned in that poll just makes me rofl. For the trolls in this thread just " haters gonna hate "

This is the biggest issue yet . People /leaving or disconnecting , crashing. Fractals should be open invite if anyone leaves or something goes wrong just like all the other dungeons period.

Good skill , congrats for having the guts to run full glass with 11k hp. That takes courage

@bojangles For someone who isn’t happy with GW2 your spending an awfull lot of time on these forums talking kitten about it which is pretty funny , always comparing it to WoW and whatnot guess what? You can go play it and stop posting about gw2 since you do not have any constructive criticism towards it atleast. Same goes for the rest of the folk saying the game is dying everywhere rofl.

From what it seems every report , award every positive link towards gw2 says otherwise. So just deal with it the game is doing more than fine. You can always play something else but dont try to bash it and send ppl off because you cannot compare anything to your 8-9 years old games.

Grats GW2 well deserved win , after so many years and so many failed projects finally we got a beast of a game. Keep it up

Wizardauz.3761:

I love seeing the people who complain that this game is dying.

And then finding out their regular forum posters scanning every thread on the website.

Lolz.

Right on , right on. Even more sad that people who say “they don’t care or they quit the game still post on these forums” saying the game is slowly dying". The forum voice of the community is truly a minority thank god.

Zid.4196:

Game is improving.

Population still falling, will stabilize somewhat below EVE Online’s.

Nice troll attempt 0/10

Population is still growing , servers are packed most people are upset they cannot join their servers in NA during prime time due to them being full. Big game patch tomorrow everyone is very excited as usual.

Funny thing is the game starts at level 80. Whoever is expecting the world to be filled with players in leveling zones all the time are kinda delusional ? check previous mmos i wont mention.

@bojangles The servers and the game was never this alive and it’s still growing , having everyday ques to LA just proves this. World is filled with new players , Dungeons running all day long even the Mists have alot of players even though people are crying that pvp is dead. Stop spreading false rumours if you quit the game, this is the best MMO out there atm and new ppl arrive on a daily basis. Come to the montly events for a strong conviction, the servers almost crash because of the insane number of players.

Never loved anything so much since the good ol’ lineage days. Im 660 hrs in and I will probably never quit it . Artstyle , mechanics , graphics , too little white space to describe.

@ above-posters exactly this is a problem , people reporting other people for grudges or maybe a wrong reason or just wrongfully. There should be a way of filtering these reports. As for the For the great justice you can always play with the volume lower a bit.

I lost things from my inventory 2 times now , once time it was a stack of t6 materials and today I lost my nightmare medium chest which I bought with 330 tokens and wore it last night and this morning. Did another full run of TA guess what its not in my inventory again.. this is outrageous

when you refresh the official guild wars 2 forum atleast 50 times a day while being alt tabbed from the game.

After reading the AMA im quite happy that they realised this and they will not make the same mistakes along the way , they said they will add ascendant gear to be aquired through other means which is awesome bring it on.

The weapons are just skins afterall and yes they should have been added to the vendor from the “get go” , problem is you need rings with agony infusions to get past lvl 25+ 30+ and you cannot progress just with one infused backslot. So basically your stuck untill you get your lucky rings and if you do better pray they have the right stats for you or you just wasted so much time. Im gonna play them for 1-2 weeks for daily if they don’t drop im gonna take a brake untill they clean this kitten RNG.

Yea this exactly the problem , we shoulnd’t have to face RNG while grinding ? And we don’t even know what is the drop chance on these rings. Add them to the vendor for 1300 tokens or something if your unlucky guess what you can maybe get one in 2 months with the right stats ? This was the worst implementation yet.

They should really prepare a big nice update for this month , especially sorting out the rings and item badly implemented RNG drops. So people can actually finish this grind and start doing the old dungeons aswell. It’s getting increasingly hard to find grps for Arah , TA , etc.