Guild Wars 2

Dunno how it is with necro but for sure mercenery amu is a must have for mesmers, not because it is condi amu but because it is hybrid amulet. Yes meta mesmer is a hybrid build, and it is only condi class that don’t have any passive critical hit condi aplication.

Also mercenary is only amulet that give U thougness and vitality with big buff to condi.

And no this amu need to stay, it bring some more diversity. Now they need to give us some good amu for power based builds because there a lack of it in game.

For mes if U got hard hitting aoe use it and break clones. It will bring there damage low. As dh use U’r traps for defence mostly, mesmer usuly fight in medium to close range becasu of shatter range.
As a thief u have harder work to do. The best strategy I saw and was super efective on me was hitting and vanishimg all the time. Most damage from my mes comes from confusion and torment so if u stay in my los U will get a lot of stack of this condis and then almost always U’ll be dead.

U don’t need PU if U take inspiration.
From beginning of S2 I’m amazed how it’s easy to survive with it.

From my experience Mesmer in pvp can still be vialable, U just need to use condi or hybrid build with mercenary amulet. Sure U probably will not come to legendary and it’s true that chrono is more powerful but it’s not so terrible as everyone say.

And U still can by hard counter to power revs (dunno why they are so easy to kill with condi mes) and thiefs.

Not my experience but I saw many times that thief is nice counter for reapers.

Also condi mes can be strong if will have moa of cd.

Just thinikg:
Make the map bigger, I mean make it with 2 more capture points, one on skyhammer ( and make this place bigger), and the second in opositebto middle with new map fragment and another portal to skyhammer.

Also maybe put portal under the glass wholes that will bring U instantly to home point, so it could be use to run away or take out an oponent for a moment.

And that my friend is an ugly truth.

For me it’s like people think that after last nerfs mes should not be in meta and after last changes on metabattle they start to attack mes for our trick skills like moa. They have no idea how much we need to adapt/predict/think when we play to use our tricks in the right moment.
I don’t know why people don’t get it that mes is class that is made to be anoying.

Like U wrote in topick, it will be massive nerf for “mesmers”,
Chrono will still use moa even with reduced duration, but for core mes this skill will be dead.

But who will care, I mean like nobody play core spec anymore…

Take druid or tempest to fight it, they will battle like for ever and none will win.

There could add also some desert map, and one with volcanic theme too.

Hmm this could be it.
Shame, it’s funny map.

Don’t know is it me or what but from the beginning of the season I had zero maches on Skyhammmer map. Not even had chance to chose it before match.

Did AN took this map out?

@ Loboling
Can U send me a link to U’r build? I have low level thief but I can’t make any serious build.

Look on messiah condi build (check messmer forum).
It can gives a lot in group fights.

1) Day 1
2) Emerald
3) Firdt two days only loosing (around 20matches – don’t have much time to play) after that it’s 50/50
4) Right now stuck
5) Around 20 matches in first 2 days,
6) Sure I do.

I think this season U need to have a condi remowal U can rely on.
With out it I will never win most of 1v1 fights.

And when U will be focused in team fight it will not metter how many cleanses U have, U will be dead anyway.

Buell.3701:

Well, condi became a thing again because power shatter fell off. Power shatter fell off because with the constantly rising power creep in the game Marauders now doesn’t give us enough survivability and Paladins gives us the survivability but doesn’t give us enough damage. Berserker amulet is pretty much irrelevant at this point for us. The power creep just got so high that if you don’t have any tanky stats at all you will get 1 shot by pretty much everything. Especially Thieves, whose jobs are to specifically follow us around and counter us the entire game and now do tons of damage with their recent AA buffs.

Hence why condi became a thing again. Since we can’t successfully play power in the current meta, the top players tried condi. Mercenary amulet turned out to be literally the best amulet in the game. It lets us to keep pressure enough through hybrid damage while giving us the tankiness of Paladins.

100% this is the case.

messiah.1908:

so what has changed the last 1-2 months? why was condi never a thing? and now yes

Mostly mercenary amulet – if not this one a would not even try condi mes, before I played only power shatter with marauder amulet.

AlphatheWhite.9351:

pico.6402:

Yep I forgot to mention 5-button evansive skill and that U still can use your dodge. I will not remind bonus toughness in moa form. Still there’s no defence…

^ pretty much this.

Moa used to wreck me every time. I always panicked and pretty much expected to die.

Then someone on the forum mentioned that it’s actually pretty good (tougher, stronger, has an evade/escape skill). And I stopped dying to Moa. In fact, I’ve managed to kill a mesmer that moa’ed me, once.

I have made this mistake onec, a have changed an oponent without any clone by my side and with half of hp and he smashed me in few hits ;-)

Lexander.4579:

pico.6402:

Lexander.4579:

according to mesmer mains reducing the skill duration which practically is an unbreakable daze from 10 sec to 5 sec makes that skill really bad and apparently some mesmer mains even consider moa attacks being too strong XD

Where were U hidding yesterday Lexi, we missed U.

And to Your information, moa is really hitting harder, mostly in power builds. But most people is so cofused whent they are turned that they don’t realize this.

considering that power build wont explode instantly after being exposed to mesmer combo without having any sort of class defensive mechanisms

Yep I forgot to mention 5-button evansive skill and that U still can use your dodge. I will not remind bonus toughness in moa form. Still there’s no defence…

Lexander.4579:

according to mesmer mains reducing the skill duration which practically is an unbreakable daze from 10 sec to 5 sec makes that skill really bad and apparently some mesmer mains even consider moa attacks being too strong XD

Where were U hidding yesterday Lexi, we missed U.

And to Your information, moa is really hitting harder, mostly in power builds. But most people is so cofused whent they are turned that they don’t realize this.

messiah.1908:

is it only power mesmer not viable anymore? if so it doesnt make condi mesmer bad just there was other build which was better…

Yes and yes. Power build are more fragile then condi and it’s easier to survive on them. Also almost all of the time when I use my burst I need to run away to stay alive, and with condi I’m still damaging my oponent.
Dunno but I have better results in figths when I play condi, and it’s not only on memser.

Exciton.8942:

pico.6402:

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

In a +1, you should be able to kill Druids.

1v1, you should be able to kill mallyx revenants. Let alone +1.
Glint Shiro is quite a bit tougher, but still manageable.

Scrapper is without a doubt better than mesmer.

And necro… necro is necro.

Mesmer is able tokill every one of this classes but it will notbe a burst. Killing all of them takes ages, and most of the time there will come rainforcement before U put them down.

The problem is that if we were able to stand a better chance against meta builds, we would be OP again because of portal.

Wait, where’s Lexander

TheOneWhoSighs.7513:

In a +1, you should be able to kill Druids.

1v1, you should be able to kill mallyx revenants. Let alone +1.
Glint Shiro is quite a bit tougher, but still manageable.

Scrapper is without a doubt better than mesmer.

And necro… necro is necro.

Mesmer is able tokill every one of this classes but it will notbe a burst. Killing all of them takes ages, and most of the time there will come rainforcement before U put them down.

Not only losing streaks are “great” but also teap compositions.
Yesterday my 2 first ranked maches:
1. My team 3 mesmers 2 necros – oposite 2 thiefs 2 reapers 1 scrapp
2. 2 mes, 2 war, ranger – oposite to thief, temp, dh, scrapp and revenant,

And best is for a whole time (around 10 mache) I had none elite classes in my team. Only in oposite

Lexander.4579:

as opposed to mesmers where every single build is annoying and gives the class its bad reputation

Whant to know a secret. This class is made to be annoying. We are jesters and tricksters, the more annoying we are the better

Wolfric.9380:

Tested in WvW or best PvP? In PvE they are fine.
Maybe the trait giving +HP sould not give a % and should just remove the scaledown so buffing the trait.

/facepalm

Windwalker.7421:

Yeah Rogue would be awesome, but it’s not Condition oriented and that would mean no Condition Phantasm at all.

Yes there would no condi phantasm but true is we don’t need any, and some raw damage could be great to. I propose this because it could be easy to do, just replace one with another.

And about iwarden i think this should be ground targeted skill, but then will come to problem that phantasm need a target to cast.

Replace phantasmal mage with phantasmal rouge. It hits harder and works better with invisibility theme from prestige.

Also would be nice to change torch trait to give confusion with damage so it could work in condi builds.

StickerHappy.8052:

Why do people say Condi Mes is Easy to Play?

People often say “People just need to push X amount of buttons to…..”

I tried playing Condi mesmer, It is super hard to play for some reason. People just eat you alive. Esp Necros.

I think people think mesmer’s just mash buttons to play conditions, but man against a competitive team or even just players, it’s not really effective.

…

And yet there is so much hate for condi mesmers and I do not see where the hate is coming from.

I for one really love to see more condition mesmers.

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Maybe it’s because mesmer use punishing condis in his kitten nal. For some one who is not aware confusion and torment can be deadly.

And after I saw messiah video about condi shatter chrono I know that mesmer can make a lot of havoc in group fights when someone don’t care about him.

Also he give in his videos nice tips about how to go with necros, U should try it.

messiah.1908:

pico.6402:

Are all of this chrono builds, or are there any builds without specialization ?

all chrono . you can go without but it will feel this way as chrono gives you doable utilities and shatter so more burst options

After today game session I know what U mean. I’m trying to play some hybrid build but I have low damage and survibility.

Then I saw U’r condishatter movies and I thin that without shield and chrono I will not by able to be decent in pvp.

On paper build looks nice, but confusion and torment works terrible in pve, because if target is not moving or doing anything they have crapy damage.

Are all of this chrono builds, or are there any builds without specialization ?

Ananeos.4587:

I want them to have defense stats so they don’t die immediatly to a single necro mark or a dh trap.

I need to admit that izerker is great when I need to fight with traps and marks because he can active them so I will not fall in any.

Also izerker and iduelist can give good preasure on oponents.

But they could change some others phantasm like:
- iwarlock could have beam attack,
- iwarden should be ground targeted skill,
- iavenger shoul use guardian shield skill “Sheild of judgment” with the same condis and buff like now
and image need to be deleted (for thi one I have no idea what to do)

And all of dem should have 3/4s activation time.

Anomaly.7612:

So will we still see 3 necros in one team still? Because that needs to not happen. Ever.

Still better then to be in a team with 3 mesmers (I was one of them) t ooposit with 2 dh, 2 reapers and a thief

Daniel Handler.4816:

You can’t balance a game with 9 professions in a 5 profession game mode. We can only hope that the balance changes of x season will make us meta again. That is all the meta is at this point. Giving certain classes a time to shine. Right now the shining people are revenants, engies, necros, rangers, and X. And the former 4 have had less time to shine than we have.

At this point, they should just balance the classes in PVE and WVW as people have more opportunity to contribute.

Can U tell me why is ranger in the top 5 classes now? Or it is about elit spec?

What about hybrid shatter. I’m using this build
http://gw2skills.net/editor/?vhAQNAR7ansIClphNoBGoBMrhFYDiMAXI3oR5mFpcC9+ZA-TZBFABvv/gAXAAfPCAA8AAQ4gAAA
MercenaryAmulet. It’s not perfect and I did not try this with all oponents but it gives me quite good survivability, quite sustain damage and some nice tricks for suprising oponents.

eldenbri.1059:

Get three clones out
F5 shatter – all clones are still available because of Illusionary Reversion

This trait create one clone when U use a shatter, not bring back all clones U shatter.

It will not work that way.

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