Guild Wars 2

Brigg.3961:

Oh god… let the whining commence. It’s like you guys have never played in wvw before. At least there was minimal complaints about numbers and coverage in our last match up. Everyone knows there’s a disparity between servers. Everyone should pretty much know where they will stand in the rankings by now as well. My advice is to just go in and have as much fun as you can. Talk to GoM… I think they had more fun than they thought they would have. Green Arrow event? What an awesome idea!

Well its like facing AR and KN… we already know then end, so where is the fun in a competitive gameplay mode with no competition…

I wish we had those huge numbers everyone claims we have…
Maybe we could contend with the stacked server in Bronze, but it’s too late now

DR inexistant in this fight, HoD outmans everyone (though if DR would show up it wouldn’t be that bad) and a lot of SF just abandon us because it’s not easy, useless fairweathers. They can’t say they weren’t warned though.

Plains of Ashes.5941:

ptitminou.6489:

Results are already known thanks to bad game design.
We know each other’s coverage now.

3 more weeks of this “season” crap – we’ll see if they can fix the game after.

Speaking of which. I hope Devon is learning about game design over on NSP. (and yes i can talk having put a game on the shelves)

He’s been silent about that achieve he said he’d get. Wonder how its going for him…

I’ll go where there is no queue. We usually have 1 zone without queue on reset.

Where is VLK starting off?

Tongku.5326:

ptitminou.6489:

Results are already known thanks to bad game design.
We know each other’s coverage now.

3 more weeks of this “season” crap – we’ll see if they can fix the game after.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This x 100.

If not for the 2nd place chest thingy I’d take the week off to go PvE. In fact, if or when we get enough lead up for 2nd, I will, and I won’t be the only one.

A-Net really needs to do something. I hope the appropriate guilds move to their appropriate servers once the Asian servers go live, along with some score adjustments and bunch of other stuff. Really hope that whole “Colaborative Development” thing works out.

We have no intentions to completely blow out those who are below us because they can only field one map at reset nights, and capping / defending empty maps isnt what the game is about.

Lets do the tower of good dreams together this week! Would totally join your guild if not for the rep requirement (I’d join every guild if I could just to see if people want to play this game sometimes and hopefully get a full party)

Righteous.4307:

ptitminou.6489:

[MU] will hit DR BL because they are going to try and kiss [CoSA] but [CoSA] will try to queue SF BL so it doesn’t get wrecked like last week when the PvE guys tried to hold it.

…

Then, Dx will win it.

You are correct on these two points. Tonight [MU] is going to DR BL because we took SF BL last week (with our [Dx] buddies) and have decided to share the glory with some guilds we are friendly with. Gornok said so in last weeks matchup thread, and we do hope to see [CoSA], [LORD], [StaR], [LH], and any other SF guild there.

I think you’ll be seeing [LORD] in there. Let them wipe you on the first go so they think they accomplished something great! Like, go afk on a sentry cap point. That way we wont be able to tell the difference between HoD and DR anymore

Righteous.4307:

ptitminou.6489:

Results are already known thanks to bad game design.
We know each other’s coverage now.

3 more weeks of this “season” crap – we’ll see if they can fix the game after.

That’s the spirit! … But seriously, I think SF and DR can put up some great fights. I look forward to the next week of battles.

Meh… here is how it will go:

DR will stack their main guilds in EBG trying to take HoD keep through water gate. You can counter that by just tapping their keep with 5 people, they will send all 80 people after you. Just an FYI. They usually run 2 zergs, one will hit western red area.
HoD will go for SM
So will SF because red only has that as a target. Blue will see some red too, because its the blue curse.

[MU] will hit DR BL because they are going to try and kiss [CoSA] but [CoSA] will try to queue SF BL so it doesn’t get wrecked like last week when the PvE guys tried to hold it.

DR bl will have all the DR pugs, it should be a field day for HoD and SF.

SF will have an assault on HoD bl, we hope our PvE fairweathers get stuck there, so they will understand that they ahve to gear up, use superiors and keep +5 supply buff up. We may be able to hold our side of map but we all know HoD can easily match our numbers so even that may be difficult. I would be surprised if DR manages to send a viable force in SF or HoD bl tbh. Turtlers usually stick to home bl and EBG.

HoD is going to meet open field siege builders with DR, but DR will soon find out that against an equal sized well geared group also siege building that they just lack the coordination to make it happen.

Then, Dx will win it.

Results are already known thanks to bad game design.
We know each other’s coverage now.

3 more weeks of this “season” crap – we’ll see if they can fix the game after.

Solstice.1097:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Solstice.1097:

I bet HoD and maybe SF could beat HoD. I also bet HoD and NSP would be a very close matchup.

SF doesn’t lack a night crew any more than the other bronze servers does, except for HoD and their asian guilds which they may lose when the asian servers go online.

LOL, and you expect to be taken seriously? Everyone knows we lack a night crew compared to every server except maybe the bottom 3 of Bronze. MAYBE. I usually like reading your posts because as antagonistic as you like to be you usally make valid points, but with this one you are way off base.

you seem to think other bronze servers actually have night crews and you dont. no, we all lack a legitimate night crew except HoD, and even there’s would be just about the worst night crew in silver league.

Some of us have early morning crews starting around 5-6AM server time but I’m not considering that a night crew.

5am is night, everyone still sleeps at that time. That is what “nightcapping” refers to, while we sleep. Regardless, we dont have a crew then, we dont have one for 9am, we dont have one for noon. A few eastern people log in at 4pm server time, but not enough to undo the T3s that were set up during the day. We do have the best primetime crew in bronze, when they play… which is not often because others play and drag us down by queuing our maps. Having the choice, a lot of us would play a different timeslot just to avoid that and to even the playing field.

Brilliant post.
Those who took it seriously… not so brilliant.

Kalendraf.9521:

Not sure where SF was last night. Between the few hours I spent in the BLs last night, I barely saw any from that server.

On the other hand, GoM brought some significant numbers to each map. They gave us a good fight at Bay in the HoD BL. It was upgraded when they took it, but only a few of us had time to reach the inner keep before it fell. Nice work on the north gate – that may have been the fastest I’ve ever seen a reinforced gate fall! Later, when we pressed to take it back, you held out for a very long time in the throne room, and it ended up being one of the crazier battles I’ve seen. There were several times in a row where I was downed and a GoM player tried to use a finishing move on me, but I got a lucky rally in the nick of time, and I was able to keep going. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good, eh?

I’m looking forward to our match-up against GoM again in week 6.

Not sure where they were either, I got people to stack on me in EBG to get GoMs keep for 5 minutes, then they all scattered like autistic kids, so I left. I figured everyone must be in PvE. So I go there and there was no one. Dead game is dead.

Starting to realize now that if they refuse to merge servers, I might be forced to hop elsewhere if I want to play this game more than another month. Create problem, sell the solution, that is how Anet does their business… don’t know if I want to support that crap yet.

Arius.7031:

ptitminou.6489:

Arius.7031:

ptitminou.6489:

Solstice.1097:

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

We’ve got a recruitment thread up, clearly stating our number needs, guilds involved with WvW, the fact SF is the only server with mounts (note: mounts not included), etc.

We have a group of aussies recruiting too. Its not by lack of trying. By default the “Sorrow’s” is negative and uninteresting. Then there is the prohibitive transfer costs of 130g/22$ per person. Then there is the guesting and seeing how terrible SF is at PvE which discourages many PvX players interested in becoming 300% hotter. Then they hear about some guilds not being in TS. The reasons why it is not working are known.

At this point, I think a lot of the bronze servers can only be fixed by merging WvW populations, ie: everyone knows DH can only win by nightcapping, so they’d be a good match for SF. FC and DR would be a great match too since they are stuck up on using SoR tactics, which requires numbers to be effective. AR, KN and GoM would also be a good match giving them great coverage since KN is another nightcapping server.

Darkhaven’s Furnace
Ferguson And Devona (they could even story line this for that boring living world thing they do)
Gates near Kaineng’s Anvil

That way, all those who have any sort of warrantless attachment to the server cluster’s public name on which the character data they are using is stored on would be satisfied and we could have a more interesting league instead of just a few close matches here and there.

Darkhaven can only win by nightcapping? Excuse me lol? We have the third strongest primetime in bronze without question… We’re no SF, but come on… Ugh.

Yes, your prime-time is when everyone else sleeps. Probably the highest coverage time of all servers at 5am. Of course HoD is a close 2nd to you and their daytime rivalizes with DR and SF now, thanks to the free xfer to there and nowhere else in bronze… because apparently AR has players.

Dude, I’m talking about NA primetime. We at least match FC/GoM in primetime as was demonstrated and can be proven by looking at this link:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/46/117

Check the PPT during standard NA primetime. You will notice that Dh is close to the others, or leads, on most days. At the very least, it cannot be said that we have no prime time, we at least match FC/GoM. That may not be much to YOU, but that’s because you’re strong, not because we’re weak for a bronze server.

Upon looking at the evidence though, it seems like GoM may have the 3rd best primetime. IDK, it’s close.

The weak time you have is euro time, looks like ours. However, rivalizing with FC is meaningless. Send 20 people to back cap their 1 only and single huge 80 man zerg. But your 1am to 5am server time coverage, that is just huge and it was the source of most of your points.

Your points get decent from 11pm server time and last until 5am server which means you have got to have something going on other than a bunch of kids in mom’s basement in California. You still wont match HoD, we can all agree that they are stacked, but you’re probably second best in bronze in that time slot.

Brigg.3961:

Is rivalize a word?

Yes, rivalize is a word.

Arius.7031:

ptitminou.6489:

Solstice.1097:

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

We’ve got a recruitment thread up, clearly stating our number needs, guilds involved with WvW, the fact SF is the only server with mounts (note: mounts not included), etc.

We have a group of aussies recruiting too. Its not by lack of trying. By default the “Sorrow’s” is negative and uninteresting. Then there is the prohibitive transfer costs of 130g/22$ per person. Then there is the guesting and seeing how terrible SF is at PvE which discourages many PvX players interested in becoming 300% hotter. Then they hear about some guilds not being in TS. The reasons why it is not working are known.

At this point, I think a lot of the bronze servers can only be fixed by merging WvW populations, ie: everyone knows DH can only win by nightcapping, so they’d be a good match for SF. FC and DR would be a great match too since they are stuck up on using SoR tactics, which requires numbers to be effective. AR, KN and GoM would also be a good match giving them great coverage since KN is another nightcapping server.

Darkhaven’s Furnace
Ferguson And Devona (they could even story line this for that boring living world thing they do)
Gates near Kaineng’s Anvil

That way, all those who have any sort of warrantless attachment to the server cluster’s public name on which the character data they are using is stored on would be satisfied and we could have a more interesting league instead of just a few close matches here and there.

Darkhaven can only win by nightcapping? Excuse me lol? We have the third strongest primetime in bronze without question… We’re no SF, but come on… Ugh.

Yes, your prime-time is when everyone else sleeps. Probably the highest coverage time of all servers at 5am. Of course HoD is a close 2nd to you and their daytime rivalizes with DR and SF now, thanks to the free xfer to there and nowhere else in bronze… because apparently AR has players.

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

Righteous.4307:

I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point Anet decides to merge all PvE (except maybe Lions Arch) into maps no longer affiliated with specific servers. WvW and Lions Arch (maybe racial starter cities) would remain affiliated with specific servers.

Some merging server shakeup would be interesting to see. I would hope that after the seasons end Anet would create a sliding cost-scale where Anet judges the participation in WvW (rather than the total number on a server). The most populated WvW servers would cost a significant amount to transfer to and the least populated WvW servers would be free.

No merging actually needs to occur to get balanced scoring.
http://youtu.be/qHcO6Xo8eJ8

That proposal is flawed on many levels.

*Color Stacking
*Griefer/Troll paradise
*Siege troll with little to no repercussions (think merged instances from WoW and the ninja looting that occured because there were too many players to know who was doing that crap, whom we were forced to group with anyways)
*VoIP or get insulted constantly
*Spies only need 2 extra accounts to spy at all times
*Creating a loser’s guild that can ruin the game for 6 servers at once.
*Server pride griefing (yes, there are a lot of losers proud of a server cluster)
*Refusal to play certain styles (like not too many like YB hide behind siege style)

Righteous.4307:

I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point Anet decides to merge all PvE (except maybe Lions Arch) into maps no longer affiliated with specific servers. WvW and Lions Arch (maybe racial starter cities) would remain affiliated with specific servers.

Some merging server shakeup would be interesting to see. I would hope that after the seasons end Anet would create a sliding cost-scale where Anet judges the participation in WvW (rather than the total number on a server). The most populated WvW servers would cost a significant amount to transfer to and the least populated WvW servers would be free.

As if they care enough to do that… if it happens I’ll xfer to play with you guys and you shall be my Dear Leader of Utmost Commanding Prowess, I promise! But all they care about is money and free doesn’t look good on quatery revenu reports.

PS: 3/4 GWEN

Solstice.1097:

problem is when people ask themselves if they did the best they could, they often incorrectly answer “yes” because they aren’t aware of what more they could do.

if they were aware, they would have done it.

if you’re not recruiting, you could be doing more. if you’re not helping train and encourage the less-experienced, you could be doing more. if you’re not promoting voice comms or on it yourself, you could be doing more.

the list goes on and on.

So i think the #1 question to ask yourself is: did you have fun?

We’ve got a recruitment thread up, clearly stating our number needs, guilds involved with WvW, the fact SF is the only server with mounts (note: mounts not included), etc.

We have a group of aussies recruiting too. Its not by lack of trying. By default the “Sorrow’s” is negative and uninteresting. Then there is the prohibitive transfer costs of 130g/22$ per person. Then there is the guesting and seeing how terrible SF is at PvE which discourages many PvX players interested in becoming 300% hotter. Then they hear about some guilds not being in TS. The reasons why it is not working are known.

At this point, I think a lot of the bronze servers can only be fixed by merging WvW populations, ie: everyone knows DH can only win by nightcapping, so they’d be a good match for SF. FC and DR would be a great match too since they are stuck up on using SoR tactics, which requires numbers to be effective. AR, KN and GoM would also be a good match giving them great coverage since KN is another nightcapping server.

Darkhaven’s Furnace
Ferguson And Devona (they could even story line this for that boring living world thing they do)
Gates near Kaineng’s Anvil

That way, all those who have any sort of warrantless attachment to the server cluster’s public name on which the character data they are using is stored on would be satisfied and we could have a more interesting league instead of just a few close matches here and there.

apapercut.4312:

I want to give a shout out to CoSA.

Going into this week I knew that the new PvE update would pull a lot of people out of WvW but I figured it would hit all the servers about equally. I could not have been more wrong. SF’s CoSA went into the last two nights looking for blood and found it. HoD’s core WvW guilds were left scrambling around like the proverbial dutch boy plugging holes with his fingers. We won some fights and lost some, but at no point did we get to relax.

Last night HoD’s lead shrank by 10k points. That’s one hell of an achievement!

So to CoSA for your sheer determination and great fights I give you a “/salute.”

Keep bringing the pain and I hope to see you back on the field again tonight!

And this morning, [Dx] carried you guys to gain almost 20k thus rendering the 10k completely useless. Such is life on SF. Same ol’ same ol’.

Month-long (4 weeks) 6 team seasons would have been a far better system for fun, but would have been worth much less in terms of transfer revenu. These leagues, even if not even fun for most servers (given that winning by 100k or losing by 100k is boring) will have allowed them to post good revenu numbers to impress the bosses for promotions. This is a business, deal with it.

All those transfers, paid with gold, inflated the Gold to Gem ratio allowing Anet to get from 65cents per gold to 25cents per gold, whereas the farmers sit at 15cents per gold thus prompting gold buyers to buy gold from Anet instead for risk-free RMT. Before leagues, the ban risk was simply worth it. Seasons also increased the value of superior blueprints and with the lack of gold from WvW, a lot of commanders will buy Gems to satisfy their ego to increase their winning chances. (Some literally spend 30g per night in WvW)

KOK.2650:

ptitminou.6489:

PS: You are not suppose to post any link on hack. May get temp banned. Please remove it.
From someone who get banned before.

Oh today I unload a full rapid fire cycle on a solo ranger. Dmg is 15k total . His hp never ever drop below 90% with no regen.
This is what I find: Google GW2 hack god mode…. and I thought speed hack is bad enough

Get banned from the forums of a game where the devs dont even care about the game mode I play to actually fix it? \_/ <— here is my empty care-cup. Plus, its a link to a youtube video demonstrating that it works, something they are obviously oblivious to anyways, it can only help them.

Solstice.1097:

clint.5681:

Didn’t DH almost lose to FC, the server we almost beat by 100k? And didn’t DH lose to us by almost 50k? I’m not saying you guys didn’t improve or whatever but let’s not get ahead of ourselves.

wake up big bro.

When FC faced HoD, as of Tuesday morning we were closer than you are right now.

The only thing we wake up to is having all that was done the previous night destroyed by the other server’s day crews. Same old crap on SF really, do well during primetime, gotta start from literally 10 ppt the next day vs T3 keeps. But oh well, it gives our server time to improve so if we do get xfers and make it to silver, we wont get rolled over by the lower-half of the silver tier. We’d need 600-800 new WvWers to have a shot at winning Silver though, most (read 90%) of those needing to be Euro, SEA, Oceanic times.

We still need over 600 WvWers… we got 0 yet.

Reset is Friday.

Jereme.1840:

ptitminou.6489:

“Someone laid down beside me, it reflects poorly on your server” – Said a sore loser somewhere. QQ more.

BTW – [MU]+puggies yesterday had 38 players + Sup AC as backup at one point. (when you kill someone and just stand there, it’s easy to count) – You can stop lying about your numbers now. That, btw, is 35% pugs if you can math. CoSA’s group had 32 players though 30 mins before it was 44, but bedtime was starting to make itself felt.

Also, writing kitten yourself gets you infracted by egotistical mods. Time for a signature!

So you don’t count your LH/Burn/other random puggies? Meh back to this groups size stuff, lets go even numbers?

CoSA commander tried contacting [MU] for GvG but they didn’t reply to his requests, surprisingly enough. And yes, I do count em.

“Someone laid down beside me, it reflects poorly on your server” – Said a sore loser somewhere. QQ more.

BTW – [MU]+puggies yesterday had 38 players + Sup AC as backup at one point. (when you kill someone and just stand there, it’s easy to count) – You can stop lying about your numbers now. That, btw, is 35% pugs if you can math. CoSA’s group had 32 players though 30 mins before it was 44, but bedtime was starting to make itself felt.

Also, writing kitten yourself gets you infracted by egotistical mods. Time for a signature!

Bllade.1029:

Solstice.1097:

In NA Bronze league:

HoD has the most total 24/7 numbers

SF has the strongest NA Prime force

DH does not outnumber HoD. Maybe on a particular map or a particular time of day but in general, no that is false.

I agree with this completely. Here’s my take on it, unbiased as I can possibly be.

HoD’s coverage (overnight guilds) and an extremely strong reset night, has ALWAYS gave them an advantage over any server in Bronze league, but as far as prime time goes SF is a monster.

Now what HoD’s prime time basically boils down to is multiple WvW guilds working in unison with each other, small to medium WvW guilds.

SF has CoSabut as someone stated earlier (which I believe was a CoSa member), they are usually only in one place with everything they’ve got; but its one hell of a force to contend with.

The only reason SF won’t be able to keep up with HoD is because a lack of oceanic coverage. If they could recruit some oceanic guilds, SF and HoD would be a dream match in bronze league.

As far as skill level goes, I haven’t had much confrontation with GoM this match so I wouldn’t be able to say, but SF has shown some pretty great coordination.

Would I say the average HoD player is better than SF? No.

Would I say SF vastly outnumber HoD? No.

But what I would say is that HoD’s WvW guilds and their leaders have an absolutely amazing response time, and a great synergy when coordinating with one another. That’s where I believe most of HoD’s success lies, is in the willingness and cooperation of it’s WvW guilds.

I would also say that SF’s success lies in absolutely dominating at prime time through huge groups of coordinated players, judging by the way they move so tight on the commander i’m assuming you guys are also on a VoiP. That’s very impressive, if there’s one challenge here on HoD it’s getting pugs to move and fight like a collective force. SF has got that down pretty well. I think SF has also got a lot of great commanders and I can only imagine how frustrating it must be to get such a large group of players on the same page.

So all in all here’s to the most competitive match HoD has had in Bronze league, been a lot of fun, GoM i’m sorry you guys got put in the middle of this, I hear that DH match up was so close people were pulling all-nighters to see you guys on top. I hope we all should be so lucky to get a competitive match-up like that.

Hi, it was me who said that CoSA only can be at one place. I am in ICE/ICED though you will see me a lot with the StaR crew. I will never join a guild that requires that I rep them if I dont feel like it or feel like running with another guild… which means I only have 1 guild for now since this server has too big an ego trip for the success it actually has.

As a server, we are not all on the same VoIP which hurts us a lot. Judging by HoD response times, I would be very surprised to find you on different VoIPs. We are. There is a TS set up like T1, then there is mumble, one group uses ventrilo, and then there is the Spanish TS and of course this one random transfer guild that came in using raidcall. Pugs drag us down for the most part here too, they arent even in 1 of those VoIPs… if anything we offer choice! Not only is it hard to get them to listen, but you have to also try en espanol, since we are the biggest Spanish server. If MU keeps it up, perhaps some commanders will get a clue and stop supporting those in the wrong gear. Imagine how strong a force CoSA would be in PTV gear… you’re trembling now, aren’t you?

We went for the SM achieve yesterday and saw how bad your pugs were. However, it seems you lot did great in getting them to gear properly, our pugs still think PTV is for tanking in PvE ( we have never downed Tequatl as a server ). One thing you must improve in I guess is training them not to hide behind siege (it rarely works anyways) – look at how Yak’s Bend does with almost equal numbers. That’s where hiding behind siege leads.

Oh this is it, what I’ve been seeing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIvvPw1_em4#t=120

Also came across 2 stealth hacks this week.

Sko.5048:

We also had a number of our guildies (FKB) stay up all night this past weekend. It has been quite a push.

Coverage aside, I think this matchup is the most balanced by far. Cosa and the SF crews definitely give our WVW guilds (FKB, MU, VLK) a run for our money. SF is also pretty savy at supply control and nabbing camps just before the tick. I think we’re all learning a lot from each other.

Here’s to 10 more days of fun!

The thing is your asian crew ruins that. All the fairweathers are gonna PvE now, specially on Tuesday’s patch, until reset. Then monday, same thing will happen. Then the week after that they’ll all come back for the last 2 easy wins of the season.

Seraphx.4152:

Being the main Asian guild in HoD, a lot of times we couldn’t find a good enemy group to fight with. Not only in this matchup.

But this is the first time we do this, sending 10 Omega…
No hard feelings SF, we are just bored.

Yea its coverage wars.

by
[Dx]

If it weren’t for you guys, this league would be the most unpredictable! Can’t blame you for the bad design of this game mode though, just a shame you have no one to play against.

borrok.9267:

Bllade.1029:

borrok.9267:

SF has been outnumbered in 90% of every fight I’ve been in.

Are you stacking on an enemy commander or something?

I feel some yo mama jokes coming on.

Nope, that’s just how it’s been.

If you don’t play during NA Primetime, I don’t doubt it. A lot of people didn’t even go to bed in the hopes to match HoD’s numbers on Friday. Since Saturday, when they couldnt take it and went to bed, we’ve had the outnumbered buff too much outside EBG.

Just when our coverage looked like it had improved, reality hit us in the face. We need more players in ALL time-zones. Playing against a silver-league-bound server has been eye opening. There is a need for about 100 new heads for NA prime-time and 500 for the other time slots, including Eastern Coast time.

So to make it clear:
Need: 500 heads from 00:00 – 18:00 pacific time ( 08:00 – 02:00 UTC)
Need: 100 heads from 18:00 – 00:00 pacific time ( 02:00 – 08:00 UTC)

Tossed Fish.7380:

Man, SF is crying as much as FC about these numbers. You obviously haven’t faced a CoSa zerg….

Only Tactic I noticed from SF is throw more bodies at an objective. Grave rush as much as possible. When I commanded yesterday in HoD BL. Bay was swiss cheese. Half the doors were down or broken. Defended that sucker so many times and kicked you out equal amount. I will admit, you guys know how to stay tight and swing around to hit from behind. You still died though…

My pug zerg + 5 VLK war banner warriors beats a SF guild group. GG

Yeah, CoSA does big numbers. But they can only be in 1 place at once. HoD has the same numbers on every BL. That’s why we have recruitment threads stating we desperately need more players. Though that free, then 800gem, xfer to HoD before the season pretty much sealed the fate of bronze, it was still a decent fight when our players didn’t have to go to work. Was fun while it lasted. Hope to meet [MU] again, only guild that can bring a fight on NA prime-time from HoD. Gonna try to counter the hammer train if we can match those numbers! We aint giving up on improving our group play!

Aaannndd there goes the coverage. Game over, as predicted. Unless SF gets a major transfer in the next few days, next week will just be repeat. But still SF must have superior numbers right now…

PS: We haven’t had a queue, even in EBG, since reset night. How about you HoD? Already obvious GoM doesn’t have one either.

Brick Tamland.6507:

don’t know how to stack or fight outnumbered but it was still an interesting watch.

If anyone wins 5 vs 30, I hope it gets filmed and put on youtube. Even 30 rangers would win against just 5.

Well, to be honest, I have rarely been on even grounds with most of HoD. Usually outnumbered but the opposite is also true. However, sometimes we have and I sure hope SF learns from HoD’s organized play, that being able to call in a 2nd zerg so fast is awesome. We have our TS set up but no one cares enough to get on Perhaps some of our players will quit that solo roam crap or not gearing up properly, though, with the QQ we have been seeing.

I have to say though, that MU hammer train is great against groups of badly geared/disorganized people. Too bad our groups only met when they created orange swords on 10 people, but we saw what a proper guild build looked like and what it is capable of. Can only hope SF learns from that!

DevonCarver.5370:

We have made no changes to the drop rates of the Wxp items.

I too have noticed I get much less liquid WxP drops. It may be an “unintentional” change.

Silver.3284:

I do not see much point in a format like WvW without server pride. What exactly are you defending then?
Would I leave my server? Yes, if it become impossible (queues) or depressing (toxic community) to play, but not just because we were losing. A low ranked server can do better and that can be much more fun to achieve than PvD-ing in T1. I am in T1 btw, so no offence meant to those who made their characters in a high tier server, or on a server that later became high tier But I am sceptical towards server hoppers, I think a controlled GvG or other large team but not realm set-up would be better for them and us.

So yes, I think server pride should be encouraged and server hopping discouraged, perhaps by time gating server transfers.

Why would anyone be proud of the server cluster on which a character, that technically doesn’t even belong to them, is stored? One would have to have nothing of value in his life to be desperate enough to seek pride in bits of data rather than in what he actually accomplishes. Again, it is a business, create a problem, accentuate it, sell the solution.

As a commander, I say “get on me” once.
If I get less than 5 people I just tag down. They can keep running unorganized and wiping to camp cappers for all I care. I just go in TS, find another commander and follow.

Forcing people to follow you will never work and is most likely why your commanders failed.

At what times do you play?

Sorrow’s Furnace needs players for every time slot except 6pm – 9pm US Pacific time. View the links in Clint’s signature to see what you gain upon joining SF!

Palom.2095:

ptitminou.6489:

And my image… so much for “15”

That’s my image… >:

Ah so this is who I stole it from!

Gab Superstar.4059:

Can’t even play this game anymore because everywhere I run some sad little SF zergling is sitting on cannons. I have seen this behavior from three servers, BP, IoJ and now SF. I never really understood the appeal…

Hi, which cannons? Why can’t your group take em out?
You do know that the only thing that matters in WvW is teamplay right?

irishhaf.1692:

In EB Ptitminou… yea you guys had us an easy 6 or 7-1 I was in the lowlands keep and we had maybe 10 defending… in DR bl it was much more of an even fight.. probably 2-1 your favor

Why not just admit it Clint.. we know it was happening, NSP tried hard, most think Kain did as well… wouldn’t be a stretch for SF to have done it, all it takes is the hardcore WVW guild to take time off.

Nah, in DR people were too hung up on their garri that they rather turtle and lose instead of trading the 25ppt for 70ppt. But hey, I wont complain about my opponents making strategical mistakes.

irishhaf.1692:

I just don’t get it… how can anyone find running around in such a zerg spamming 1 fun… I hate running in our zergs… and we don’t get 1/4 the numbers I see on a nightly basis from you guys.

Half a dozen AC’s did nothing against those numbers…
Yes im crying about numbers… you guys and probably Hod have no business in bronze league.

You had more than 6. More like a dozen. Also, we were 64 in DR bl
(yeah I stealth tag up and supplyinfo when people get stacked and i went in both groups)
I do think we outnumbered you, but not by more than 10.

We survive for long because we dont rez those in berserker gear.

And my image… so much for “15”

Micbobo.1378:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

bigsal.7061:

vitali.1609:

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

I run with Deth, but I can also tell you about how we farmed CoSA and StaR constantly in our BL, in the water camp and in our bay most of the time, I used to be in SF, in the old days when King was around with Seven Mirror, Jugglez, Shield, Priest of Lyssa etc. I won’t leave FC though, I appreciate the invite, but I like good fights, If people like me and others left, you wouldn’t have much to fight :/ tl’dr : I was in King for a brief period of time, they taught me a lot in my fighting, but in Fc i learned organized fighting, I thank Seven and all the others for helping me when I needed training in roaming and dueling.

Lol, been farming Deth all morning. We been taking turns killing you guys so everyone gets thier fair share of loots.
LOL I literally killed a Deth gaurdian while he was cowering and trying to turtle in the middle of 6 server mates.
Was laughing so hard I dropped my mouse.

HAHA, good stuff. just stomped one while fighting the guild claimer at a camp.
I think farming them is bad enough, lets not comment on it anymore.
Im starting to feel bad now……

Ohh look its the bag talking, great you had your fun , now get back in my bagslot I only respect StaR for Shield and some of my old guild mates , out of that, haven’t been impressed, your lot wiped to pugs last time I was there in the waterlake camp, good times, also stomping one, again doesnt define a whole guild, lol 1/10 would see you wipe again as a whole blob :P

About wiping… WZ and Deth, together, wiped to FARM – the PvE people learning about WvW. I lost respect for WZ right there. It was the first time I ever saw deth together, was not impressed.

Personally I don’t recall this happening but even if it did it’s nothing impressive. Deth and WZ didn’t field more then 15 people each for the whole matchup. They often seem bigger cause other guilds like to run with them. Also, when FARM is running they always have other guilds with them which gives them ridiculous numbers. I often do /supplyinfo while I am leading just to have an idea of how many are following me. Most of the time we are between 15 to 30 defending against 50-60. There is a limit to what being a little coordinated can do so don’t start trash talking guilds when they are outnumbered most of the time and still manage to win most of the fights

Actually there were 37 in the FARM group at our peak. Nothing more. Deth alone triggered orange swords when we met them on an occasion, so at least 25 (and they had us beat till one of them, maybe a pug, not wearing the right gear rallied 10 of us). And WZ looked like they fielded a lot more than Deth but 1 or 2 bad necros can make that an illusion. Anyhow, they were all on mumble and it was funny to see WvW guilds wipe on a group that was a majority of PvE players.

I would be ashamed and left if it happened to a WvW group I’m in.

I have seen several instances of speed hacking, as in 1000% speed. Rush someone, and there he goes sprinting away and becomes unselectable within a second.

Never any form of stealth hack though.

Obvious commander-tag hacking in WvW though. Go with tag, everyone knows where you are exactly, go without tag while telling your location in map chat, have 0 resistance at their garrison. If it was a cross-server spy, the tagless wouldn’t have mattered.

Rolling through doors.

Zoom hacks.

Plenty of botting too.

And nothing gets done about it, so it must be acceptable, given that their rules technically say TS3, vent, mumble and raidcall are against the TOS. Just view their stances on gaining advantages through the use of 3rd party programs or client modification as truthful as when they stated WvW wouldn’t change while the season is in progress.

There is nothing wrong with griefing if you are using a game mechanic. If it is not intended, they would program accordingly. Now if you use a 2nd account, relay enemy positions through 3rd party programs, that is greifing and you dont see them care about spying or those using the commander tracking hacks, which means greifing is acceptable in GW2.

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

bigsal.7061:

vitali.1609:

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

I run with Deth, but I can also tell you about how we farmed CoSA and StaR constantly in our BL, in the water camp and in our bay most of the time, I used to be in SF, in the old days when King was around with Seven Mirror, Jugglez, Shield, Priest of Lyssa etc. I won’t leave FC though, I appreciate the invite, but I like good fights, If people like me and others left, you wouldn’t have much to fight :/ tl’dr : I was in King for a brief period of time, they taught me a lot in my fighting, but in Fc i learned organized fighting, I thank Seven and all the others for helping me when I needed training in roaming and dueling.

Lol, been farming Deth all morning. We been taking turns killing you guys so everyone gets thier fair share of loots.
LOL I literally killed a Deth gaurdian while he was cowering and trying to turtle in the middle of 6 server mates.
Was laughing so hard I dropped my mouse.

HAHA, good stuff. just stomped one while fighting the guild claimer at a camp.
I think farming them is bad enough, lets not comment on it anymore.
Im starting to feel bad now……

Ohh look its the bag talking, great you had your fun , now get back in my bagslot I only respect StaR for Shield and some of my old guild mates , out of that, haven’t been impressed, your lot wiped to pugs last time I was there in the waterlake camp, good times, also stomping one, again doesnt define a whole guild, lol 1/10 would see you wipe again as a whole blob :P

About wiping… WZ and Deth, together, wiped to FARM – the PvE people learning about WvW. I lost respect for WZ right there. It was the first time I ever saw deth together, was not impressed.

We will leave it at this, if you want to confirm this wipe, well come GvG, get in touch with hollywood to set one up, or just stay shut

GvG might be interesting, but I think the PPT means a lot of people are doing pve crap until reset getting ready for HoD. Maybe if we do field 15, I’ll propose it to the group.