Guild Wars 2

Narsil.6579:

bigsal.7061:

vitali.1609:

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

I run with Deth, but I can also tell you about how we farmed CoSA and StaR constantly in our BL, in the water camp and in our bay most of the time, I used to be in SF, in the old days when King was around with Seven Mirror, Jugglez, Shield, Priest of Lyssa etc. I won’t leave FC though, I appreciate the invite, but I like good fights, If people like me and others left, you wouldn’t have much to fight :/ tl’dr : I was in King for a brief period of time, they taught me a lot in my fighting, but in Fc i learned organized fighting, I thank Seven and all the others for helping me when I needed training in roaming and dueling.

Lol, been farming Deth all morning. We been taking turns killing you guys so everyone gets thier fair share of loots.
LOL I literally killed a Deth gaurdian while he was cowering and trying to turtle in the middle of 6 server mates.
Was laughing so hard I dropped my mouse.

HAHA, good stuff. just stomped one while fighting the guild claimer at a camp.
I think farming them is bad enough, lets not comment on it anymore.
Im starting to feel bad now……

Ohh look its the bag talking, great you had your fun , now get back in my bagslot I only respect StaR for Shield and some of my old guild mates , out of that, haven’t been impressed, your lot wiped to pugs last time I was there in the waterlake camp, good times, also stomping one, again doesnt define a whole guild, lol 1/10 would see you wipe again as a whole blob :P

About wiping… WZ and Deth, together, wiped to FARM – the PvE people learning about WvW. I lost respect for WZ right there. It was the first time I ever saw deth together, was not impressed.

Jeknar.6184:

Banzie.5248:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Like we’ve all been saying all along. Bronze league is the most competitive league. It’s the only league that you don’t know the results before leagues even start.

I feel a little bad for NSP & IoJ since they got trapped in Silver league.

Killed100 with 30 people , its constantly satisfying up here, The skill level really does start to drop the higher you get. Only coordination gets better.

Oh, the old Mend bunkering… Where are mah trebs?!

Also I agree the level of skill on the higher servers is kinda pathetic… On SF/YB/ET week, Yak’s only won a fight when they heavily outnumbered us (which was 99,5% of the time). On even fights, they were a joke…

Glad we aren’t the only ones who noticed.
Also, it seems they gave up in silver league now that they faced equal populations. They got wrecked.

Jeknar.6184:

The truth is: The dominant server will always choose who will be second… And both SF and HoD choose that ET was going to be 3rd… Period.

That’s a lie.
ATM SF would like DR to be 2nd. But they aren’t helping themselves.

Hollywood.7450:

vitali.1609:

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

I run with Deth, but I can also tell you about how we farmed CoSA and StaR constantly in our BL, in the water camp and in our bay most of the time, I used to be in SF, in the old days when King was around with Seven Mirror, Jugglez, Shield, Priest of Lyssa etc. I won’t leave FC though, I appreciate the invite, but I like good fights, If people like me and others left, you wouldn’t have much to fight :/ tl’dr : I was in King for a brief period of time, they taught me a lot in my fighting, but in Fc i learned organized fighting, I thank Seven and all the others for helping me when I needed training in roaming and dueling.

Lol, been farming Deth all morning. We been taking turns killing you guys so everyone gets thier fair share of loots.
LOL I literally killed a Deth gaurdian while he was cowering and trying to turtle in the middle of 6 server mates.
Was laughing so hard I dropped my mouse.

You must be delusional. As it is and always will be for Deth. I offer you a 15v15 GvG. Otherwise stop wasting my time. Though you probably don’t even have a guild.

You know, Pbruce wants to train his guild in open field combat, you should hook up for a GvG with him.

Feel free to let us know if you want to come on over!
(or let us know what could make it more appealing)

Advent.6193:

You can’t get combined with IoJ, silly Tongku. That’d ruin our planned superserver:
Sorrow’s Terrace of Denravi’s Crossing

Although, if we can just poach some of IoJ’s Oceanic set …

That may mean we would be able to kill a dragon, it wont happen.

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

FC outnumbers SF. I was going to the JP the other day, and 2 kittenilled me! I mean, they had the numbers to spare having 2 people outside a keep! Clearly, the outmanned buff is broken, I didn’t even have it. Blue clearly has a bug that disadvantages them.

kitten Anet needs to get on it , all this bug and glitch and stuff is makign the game unbalanced, I swear my server is too Overpowering, I am gonna leave to another server, I get qeued every time I roam, its getting annoying :/

I know right, you know what, lets start our own server!

FC outnumbers SF. I was going to the JP the other day, and 2 kittenilled me! I mean, they had the numbers to spare having 2 people outside a keep! Clearly, the outmanned buff is broken, I didn’t even have it. Blue clearly has a bug that disadvantages them.

Yak’s Bend hiding behind siege stopped working against equally populated servers so all the bandwagonners quit the game? Oh dear, I have no pity.

We have a project… no a dream, of taking Sorrow’s Furnace to gold league one day. Not out of pride, not because we care, but because taking a server from 0 to hero is the challenge we chose. Because some people have friends in other guilds, because we don’t want to be seen as bandwagonners or server-hoppers, you know, the pathetic crowd who values winning over contributing to success, even if it means getting carried. That false sense of pride is only suitable for the insecure people.

We definitely do not look for a sense of self-importance, I mean, we know that just making the silver league will be extremely hard and that Gold is near-impossible, but you will never get to the moon if you don’t shoot for the stars!

We only hope that this project eventually proves that bandwagoning/stacking is not the only way up to those so miserable that they feel they always have to join the winning side to feel good about themselves realize the error of their ways. To show that some people can actually accomplish things if they dare try.

You forgot the word “geared” after best in your OP.
If you want kills and open battles to be worth more, play sPvP… but then you might realize how bad you are with an equally geared playing field.

Rangers are very useful in WvW. We usually use the enemy rangers as rallybait. Of course, we don’t want any in our team, but they are great on the opposing team.

Omne.4603:

When people post, without there server in their sig I pray for their souls.

Not everyone has a terrible life to the point that they will display the only thing that they think gives them a sense of self-importance where they have to show the whole world what GW2-rented server cluster their character data file is saved on. They, at least, are still sane.

Most of these thread is:

“I bandwagoned and stacked on a server to get a chest, but I dont like the achievements, pve (lol chest) and the queues related to my poor thought process. No matter what is better for me, I shall stand with “my” 4th home server no matter what!"

King Amadaeus.8619:

Narsil.6579:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Iceburn.4217:

Narsil.6579:

idk where you get your numbers from but we have wiped 50 of you lot with 25 of us,
…
so picking on my zerg of 50 which idk where those extra 25 come from, but fighting just one of your zergs is around 30-40 man…

Found them (first pic)

Anyway I have some screenshots I took of the weekend, one of SF’s night crew (Aus time) and the people in my party steamrolling me And… since this Bay fight has been talked about alot, people from FC can see what it looked like from our side . Keep up the fights and I wanna see more screens!

I would like to point out that in the FC Bay image, I was calling out on chat that there was also a large group of FC behind us coming up onto that plateau. We took care of both groups, they pretty much died or jumped off the cliffs to escape us.

Look I didn’t say anything because I don’t want to start something with my own guild, but here is this, you wiped the first group you fought, and the image doesn’t even show all the CosA and added pugs , in fact there was more then 50 or so on your side, some in outer walls trying to get catapults and trebs going, your group rushed through the inner wall and wiped several times, finally we made a push as 2 groups, one my guild, the other a different guild that called us in, we were busy defending our EB. The push we made later on was 2 groups and that was after your group wiped several times with no success, we did it synchronized so that there would be no way of your blob returning to reinforce the left over group. On top of that you took a screenshot when your leftover group was already trying to back off, since we wiped your blob in the first wave. Ive made 20g so far in 2 days and Ive only been there to farm your blobs (CosA / Farm / StaR) for 1 or 2 hours a day since i get off shortly.

Ty for the 8g you gave me yesterday in 1 hour of wiping your huge blobs

Lying is a real problem on the intranetz…no one typically makes 8g in an hr unless it is on 1 drop alone…Please stop trying to be silly and drag us down to your level.

Anyone can just make up random numbers (about money made or enemies faced).

If anything you are just bringing disrespect to your guild because the attempts at trolling come off as “try-hard” at best. Good luck to you sir, with your monetary pursuits the rest of the week.

He isn’t lying. Making money when you sell ALL you get is easy. If you dont sell it then of course you wont make money. Next week, just sell everything you get, not 1 breakdown, sell sell sell. You’ll make 100g+ per week.

Narsil.6579:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Iceburn.4217:

Narsil.6579:

idk where you get your numbers from but we have wiped 50 of you lot with 25 of us,
…
so picking on my zerg of 50 which idk where those extra 25 come from, but fighting just one of your zergs is around 30-40 man…

Found them (first pic)

Anyway I have some screenshots I took of the weekend, one of SF’s night crew (Aus time) and the people in my party steamrolling me And… since this Bay fight has been talked about alot, people from FC can see what it looked like from our side . Keep up the fights and I wanna see more screens!

I would like to point out that in the FC Bay image, I was calling out on chat that there was also a large group of FC behind us coming up onto that plateau. We took care of both groups, they pretty much died or jumped off the cliffs to escape us.

Look I didn’t say anything because I don’t want to start something with my own guild, but here is this, you wiped the first group you fought, and the image doesn’t even show all the CosA and added pugs , in fact there was more then 50 or so on your side, some in outer walls trying to get catapults and trebs going, your group rushed through the inner wall and wiped several times, finally we made a push as 2 groups, one my guild, the other a different guild that called us in, we were busy defending our EB. The push we made later on was 2 groups and that was after your group wiped several times with no success, we did it synchronized so that there would be no way of your blob returning to reinforce the left over group. On top of that you took a screenshot when your leftover group was already trying to back off, since we wiped your blob in the first wave. Ive made 20g so far in 2 days and Ive only been there to farm your blobs (CosA / Farm / StaR) for 1 or 2 hours a day since i get off shortly.

Ty for the 8g you gave me yesterday in 1 hour of wiping your huge blobs

122 more gold and you can come back to SF!

Looks like the blob of death has been countered.
We have people playing in blobs just like SoR in bronze tier and they still lose. Anymore tips to counter that SoR you BGers?

orphanMosquito.5837:

Good fights last night. SF you really wanted our Bay and Hills.

Well we just wanted a fight, but after a few open field fights, you guys were refusing to fight us in open field. So we went where you were holed up. It was training night for our PvE crews and we were seeking to train them in fighting. They did great IMO and Elder Of Time did a particularily good job commanding.

I Love you all !!!

Especially Arena Net !!!!1

Khanswrath.1032:

No one is really asking serious questions in here so I’ll man up and do it. Have you looked into the mirror during this matchup (maybe splashed some cold water on your face) and pondered…..what does the fox say?

On that note, do ladies always run away when you try to charm them?

Cribbage.2056:

ptitminou.6489:

Here, I’ll break your idea:
EVERYONE GET OUT OF THIS BL – [DFND] HAS 20 PEOPLE IN AND WILL LOCK IT DOWN. GET OUT SO THE OTHERS GET STUCK IN QUEUE!

On every organized server, that is exactly how it would work. As long as there is PPT, you cannot have balanced matches. However, sPvP does have that balance you look for, why not join it?

a) I think you’ll find most people’s desire to actually play is greater than their desire to win. Not many would care enough about winning to actually leave the border. Probably it would happen, but I can’t see it being frequent enough to hurt the game.

b) With population limiting rules there is a question do you limit it per border or for the whole of the borderlands. I suspect the latter would work a lot better.

c) There is also a question of how low the minimum population should be before the capping kicks in. I personally think it should be low enough that minimum vs unpopulated border would struggle to take a tower. That would help a lot to prevent night capping. In my opinion 20 is way too high.

Hi, have you ever gotten involved into server politics? Have you ever seen a guild of 50 end up with only 5 players because all the WvW guilds started going at em, recruiting players, shaming the guild, refusing to play with certain guilds? Leaving them dead? 1 or 2 trolls saying they wont leave is not a problem. So what if 22 players are allowed in. 10vs22 is still winnable when you have 3 superior ACs on every gate.

So if there is a limit for the whole of the BLs then you punish all those who dont play in NA primetime since logging in will be near-impossible. ATM, our PPT during primetime is 500+ but we have at most 30 people on our BLs during day times. So your suggestion is to make sure our opponents cannot cap it back? 10 people can defend easily vs 15 with a few ACs.

For your last point, you are saying that if we do a T3 keep, it should be impossible to take if no one is on? I mean, if towers are hard, imagine keeps and the hour of running supply to building siege on 2 gates. 1 at a time of course, since guards may respawn you gotta keep em dead. All that given that 5 people can take a tower in 2 minutes. Yeah, we’ve ninja’d keeps with only 5 before, but it took forever and required absolutely no resistence.

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

I run with Deth, but I can also tell you about how we farmed CoSA and StaR constantly in our BL, in the water camp and in our bay most of the time, I used to be in SF, in the old days when King was around with Seven Mirror, Jugglez, Shield, Priest of Lyssa etc. I won’t leave FC though, I appreciate the invite, but I like good fights, If people like me and others left, you wouldn’t have much to fight :/

but but but StaR is run by Shield… I’m sure you miss him, come on back over!

And if we dont get day time numbers (and tbh, we need a bit more in prime time too since we have queues only on pve guilds WvW nights) we wont make it to the silver league where we would get better fights.

Tell Shield and whoever still remembers, probably most don’t since I was there for like a 3 weeks or a month at most, but umm Apocalyptic Genesis or Apoc says hi, umm tbh SF has the numbers of silver league, your problem is coverage in other areas, that is why FC has won before, because we don’t dish out the numbers in prime time, but we keep our numbers constant. I think SF v HoD would be so much fun, but HoD has this insane coverage where SF lacks, DH is a pushover, we lost that match due to GoM leaving the match early after losing morale and DH just sat by in the corner picking off GoM’s ppt, we kept GoM at bay but Dh just sat in the background feeding off of GoM. GoM imo should have won, because they held out a lot. SF v DH, you guys got that, make sure to not let DH feed on the dying server because they will catch up from 3rd.

We only have numbers for 4 hours or so, then of course we maintain it a while, we dont go from enough players to no players in a minute, so it goes down slower rather than abruptly, but still, the reason we are rank 20 overall is the other 20 hours where we only muster enough players for ebg some times(and even then, we have had no one to train em). Often I just log in at 5pm eastern and cant even get a queue for EBG. It is that empty. During our primetime, we know we have to score fast and hard to make up for the other 20h and everytime we wake up and our T3 border isnt fully flipped, even if it’s 1 tower, we consider ourselves extremely lucky.

Anyhow, that is how the 0 to hero (reaching gold league with SF) project is atm, stalled by our coverage issues and 130g/22$ to xfer over doesn’t make the future look particularily brighter. Basically, HoD is going in the favorite next week, we’ll see if their primetime players are good. If not, we may have a shot at it.

irishhaf.1692:

It primarily is EB as I understand it green only seems to have a bug that we cannot hit our map maximum numbers before a que is started… forums say you can only hit about 3/4 of what it supposed to be.

Well the only time I went to EB you guys had 2 pretty large zergs and way outnumbered ours. If Anet could release the numbers on map that would also help in knowing if thats true or not, but SF doesn’t get green once!

Narsil.6579:

ptitminou.6489:

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

I run with Deth, but I can also tell you about how we farmed CoSA and StaR constantly in our BL, in the water camp and in our bay most of the time, I used to be in SF, in the old days when King was around with Seven Mirror, Jugglez, Shield, Priest of Lyssa etc. I won’t leave FC though, I appreciate the invite, but I like good fights, If people like me and others left, you wouldn’t have much to fight :/

but but but StaR is run by Shield… I’m sure you miss him, come on back over!

And if we dont get day time numbers (and tbh, we need a bit more in prime time too since we have queues only on pve guilds WvW nights) we wont make it to the silver league where we would get better fights.

(tbh, the big zerg is just a nuisance more than a fight, it feels like close-to-even numbers is an auto win for us until we make your large zerg of doom overwhelm us)

irishhaf.1692:

its not a matter of stepping up.. last 2 weeks we had more numbers than we had in a long time… then the pve folks got swamped by numbers and most have quite coming out. so we are back to itty bitty numbers… being green and having the que bug has not helped us out either.

Explain the queue bug?

Narsil.6579:

What I am really trying to say is if DR had stepped up to do their best during the SF prime time, we both could have held out against SF, but no, we were being attacked, either alliance or not, SF kept a steady hold of ppt, and DR could have prevented its borderland from being taken just like FC held out bay and farmed CoSa and StaR zergs at some point :P you guys gave me several exotics, I made around 10g one night ty

Yeah we made a lot of loot too. But what we were doing was testing your response, thats why we only hit 1 keep and not 2. Tell us about the real attack of StaR and CoSA on your garrison while you lost bay an hour and a half later.

PS: Gratz on your gold, just 12 more days like that and you can transfer over to SF. We’ll be…. expecting you.

irishhaf.1692:

Really how do you know there was an Alliance because I wasn’t aware of any?

Is that an admission to using spys?

Cause I have been a part of alliances in the past and that usually has commanders telling people in map chat etc don’t attack them stay off of that side… haven’t heard a peep about an alliance with SF. Except from you…

The “alliance” is SF thinks for the most part that running 1 huge server-wide zerg is stupid so we hit the ones we dont like the most.

Step 1) Where is the FC zerg
Step 2) Attack 2 keeps belonging to FC at once. Or FC |<eeps (kitteneeps because of the Anet censorship program)
Step 3) Send groups cap the rest while we keep em occupied
Step 4) Take one of the two keeps
Step 5) Hit DR since there is nothing else to do, while laughing at PPT.

That is exactly how it is on SF during our primetime.

Narsil.6579:

irishhaf.1692:

HAHAHAHA complaining about DR and then golem rushing us… golf clap FC well done… tools.

next time you wonder why DR hits you also on a regular basis.. .its stuff like this.

No don’t you dare play the victim card!!

You guys sided with SF and gave SF the advantage, had you put a fair fight against SF held your own stuff for abit, then when SF died in the week, maybe we could have rammed SF to the depths of the abyss. But no you fell for the old big guy allies with small guy to take on the other medium guy, the big guy gets the lead and flips the table on the small guy, and then takes the cake home for himself. Now DR and SF will both pay one way or another, if we need points and SF is holding I am sorry DR but you had your chance, now hand those points over!

LOL FC acting like bad kitten during SF downtime. Interesting… let the kitten flow through you.

Surely you mean point, not points, because 1 80man blob can only keep 1 capture point at a time.

And even with all the whining about SF numbers, yesterday we were taking keeps with the outnumbered buff on. Just sayin’ you should count your own people and teach em how to play instead.

Contact me later on tonight so we can get an ICE image in there.

Plains of Ashes.5941:

I have read thru pages of this thread and I see a lot of complex solutions, alot of gaming the PPTs and buffs. Most of what I see is cures for symptoms. The first step is to separate the cause from the effect, identify the root cause, then solve the root cause.
The population imbalance, the stacking of servers, the fact that coverage defines the winner, the outmanned buff, the week after week of lobsided matches are not the problem, they are symptoms of the problems.

I submit the primary root cause, but not the only one, is the fact that servers are allowed to field unequal number of players. I have never played a game which allows one team to field unequal teams as its default mode. WvW allows you to field 70+ more players on one side than the other. Not even GW2 sPvP allows unequal teams. I cant name a game or sport which breaks this rule.

This i would contend is the underlying cause of most of WvW’s problems. Its a violation of fundemental game design. What flows from this flaw is what you would expect of human nature: everyone stacking the teams because stacking is rewarded with what people want the most: and that is to win. Its simple, if the NFL changed the rules which allowed a team to field all the players on its bench (like WvW), and players didnt cost the team money (like WvW), and the winning team gets a super bowl ring, well, the NFL would look like WvW next season with all the same flaws we see now.

WvW WILL BE BROKEN FOREVER UNTIL SERVERS ARE CONSTRAINED TO FIELD EQUAL NUMBER OF PLAYERS. Without this we will continue to have kludges (outmanned anyone?) and incentives, and the horribly complex solutions to manipulate PPTs and buffs when the solution is very simple. You must remove the incentive to change the behavior, and the incentive is stack a map and win the game.
So how do we fix it?

• limit the fielded teams to equal sizes, just like every other game does.
• make the remainder wait in queues, like other games
• Dont kick in the dynamic cap till the teamsize is over 20.
• if the teams are equal and one server has people leave then this offset is ok, balancing should only prevent folks from joining a team when that team is larger than the other teams (ie nobody ever gets booted for the sake of balane, let normal attrition do this)
• once this is in place, allow matchups between any 3 servers. thats right, for some matches it means HUGE queues (like for JQ vs AR), but that is what it will take to show players that a) stacked servers have no statistical advantage in winning, and b) stacking to a server means less playtime as a reward for their choice. with even teams, skill and tactics will matter more, where now they almost dont matter.
• keep statistics on which servers are cronically limiting the map pop and make a finite number of transfers avalable for free. Keeping statistics will allow ANET to know the specific number of transfers a server needs.

In summary: there are multiple flaws that result in stacked servers, but WvW will be broken until ANET creates a limit which equalizes the size of fielded teams between servers. You cant violate a fundamental game design principle and not have endless bad side effects and kludges.

I will pitch in another root cause for the stacking and that is ANETs attitude of treating the high ranked servers better. Example: we have 3 totally independent leagues in Season 1. why dont they get the exact same reward as a function of where they place in their league? why is the first place silver league reward worse than the gold winner? and the bronze league winner worse still? they dont play each other so why dont the 3 number ones each get the same number 1 prize? cant ANET see this forces players to stack because ANET themselves reward stacking? ANET should make all 3 league winners have the same quality of reward, then there is no reason to say “I gotta transfer to T1 or ANET is gonna screw me out of something worthwhile”

The reason there is stacking (and the resultant pop imbalance) is because ANET rewards it. both in its gameplay flaws, and in the very culture ANET has created for WvW. Pick the simple solution to the WvW problem, not the insanely convoluted solutions ive seen posted – equalized fielded teams in WvW just like every other online game does! that and enable transfers to even out the teams and ANET is on its way to making WvW what it should be.

Here, I’ll break your idea:
EVERYONE GET OUT OF THIS BL – [DFND] HAS 20 PEOPLE IN AND WILL LOCK IT DOWN. GET OUT SO THE OTHERS GET STUCK IN QUEUE!

On every organized server, that is exactly how it would work. As long as there is PPT, you cannot have balanced matches. However, sPvP does have that balance you look for, why not join it?

Have you guys seen devon in there?
Does he have his meta?

May I suggest that fightclub doesnt take place in the BG we’ll continuously hit all week?

-SF

orphanMosquito.5837:

beyonder.9735:

sun bathing in this PPT. fc might wanna put your shades on for this 1.

Humility is a virtue in life. Trolling is not.

That’s wrong. It depends on who you troll.

Trolling turtlers is most definitely a virtue.

Solstice.1097:

DR you aren’t going to get 2nd place.

SF tricked you into thinking you had a shot so that you will 2v1 on us with them.

Falling for it makes you look silly and weak. Take more than a tower in SF BL and I’ll retract my statement. If you can’t do that, what makes you think you deserve 2nd when we take their keeps daily?

That’s why SF is bronze. The fact anyone can just walk in and take our keeps during our downtime.

Zaleta.1567:

to be serious FC, HOD, SF and GOM need to be in silver leagiue while us DR ET and AR need to be in bronze alone, itd prolly be a lot much closer score with just us three:)

If we had a night team SF would be in silver, but until we do that, we will be stuck in bronze. HoD is the only one with a real night team in this league. Lets just hope our primetime can crush them as we did FC and DR.

Turtling means you lose, slowly, but surely.

Terrible troll brings his guildies in to look popular.
I lold more.

Terrible troll has his panties up in a bunch
I lold

Bio Flame.4276:

A few thoughts:

1- Population imbalance cannot be fixed/is almost impossible to fix

ANET will not be able to trully fix population imbalance. Think about it…. They can’t simply transfer people from one server to another. It can’t be done against a player’s will. And most people will not change, not anymore. Even if transfers costed nothing, nobody will want to change to a “losing” server. Even if a few players would transfer it will Never be a large amount of players to make a real diference.
It’s too late now.
So any solutions to WvW will not come from that side.

You are assuming everyone is a sore loser. Currently, we are trying to make Sorrow’s Furnace go from zero to hero. Yes, a month ago we had doubts, but the turn outs lately have been awesome and some PvE guild’s WvW night have added a 2nd or even a 3rd WvW night. We are getting there. (BTW, we need an Euro and SEA guild or else bronze will be hard to get out of)

Bio Flame.4276:

2- WvW has two types of players: PvErs and WvWers

This will always have to be taken indo consideration when considering possible solutions.
PvErs will play mostly for the achievements and for the “material” rewards -chests, badges for legendary items, gold, karma. But especially, they’ll play for the achievements, which brings problems of its own.
Now, WvWers, true WvWers will play for the fun, for the adrenaline of the fights. And for the bragging rights, the prestige.
Currently, there is no real “fame”/prestige in winning trully difficult and awesome fights in WvW. And most fights are just a matter of who has more players.
This has to change

You don’t need that fame and prestige if you are a true WvW. That point contradicts itself. There is no greater reward than being accused in forums of running a 50 man zerg when you know your group couldn’t even pop orange swords.

Bio Flame.4276:

3- Too much design emphasis on attack and few on defence

This one spkeaks for itself. This has to change. Promote and reward defending, but not with PvE rewards only but also with WvW rewards and/or match points. Defence must count for something..

I would say that the OP arrowcarts means there was emphasis put on defense. The problem is defensive guilds usually can’t fight and when the gates go down, they are walking lootbags. They can’t magically make a player good either. All I say is that I rather defend without siege, the tactical advantage the “1st push” gives a group should be plenty, the lootbags are their own rewards. I would like to see 1 loot bag per player killed, in bags that stack up to 250 that we can open later though. But that’s just my own inventory problems speaking.

Bio Flame.4276:

4- WPing around the map should be disabled

Currently, there is no tactical commitement on a zerg going to the far end of a map, capping a tower and still wping back to defend or capping another objective.
It should not be allowed.

I believe every solution that will have a positive outcome must have these four points into consideration.

Completely agree with you there, if you mean keep waypoints. For the spawn waypoint, which I abuse a lot I disagree, because what happens when you die? You’re perma-death until you log in/log out? Perhaps WP to spawn should remove the stacks/buffs other than food and toolbar.

salocinn.4120:

ptitminou.6489:

Nuttcase.2738:

heroash.2465:

@Ynot.8397 I see what you are saying there, maybe if your server didn’t run the float the blob from BL to BL to just hold one objective like today and focus on the bigger picture then maybe the but-hurt maybe not as bad as it is. But while you float 30+ people to one borderland to protect a t3 keep and drop to an amazing 55 PPT I say GG mate.

So you’re saying we should have not held on to the last keep we had, and to just let you have it? And let me guess. You also would like it if we run out of spawn 1 by 1 so you can farm us there as well right? GG mate.

You could have taken 2 keeps while you lost 1. But hey, it’s a team choice.

It was a rather good team choice imo. During Bay battle in the afternoon my bags got fulled not 5 or 6, but 7 times in an hour! it’s an all time record. Your commanders just kept throwing ppl inside without using any basic strategy like portals or water fields. lulz

But ya let’s be honest there…we are intimidated by the fact that you found out about our DrA (double rainbow all the way) tactics we got from gold leagues during a secret meeting like you said earlier. We saw that you are countering it with a garnet level tactic called LMP ( let’s throw many players) tactic. But right now we are working on a platinum league tactic (also known as johto league). it’s called HKW (hide yo kids, hide yo wife). When this is gonna be perfected you guys will have no chance of winning!

I hope what you do in life doesn’t involve having to be funny.
I hope you weren’t trying to be funny.

If you weren’t, what are you talking about?

Nuttcase.2738:

heroash.2465:

@Ynot.8397 I see what you are saying there, maybe if your server didn’t run the float the blob from BL to BL to just hold one objective like today and focus on the bigger picture then maybe the but-hurt maybe not as bad as it is. But while you float 30+ people to one borderland to protect a t3 keep and drop to an amazing 55 PPT I say GG mate.

So you’re saying we should have not held on to the last keep we had, and to just let you have it? And let me guess. You also would like it if we run out of spawn 1 by 1 so you can farm us there as well right? GG mate.

You could have taken 2 keeps while you lost 1. But hey, it’s a team choice.

Tongku.5326:

Ynot.8397:

beyonder.9735:

fc is still a bunch of scrubs in my eyes. hats off to DR though they definitely stepped it up .. fc biggest flaw = 80 million man blob that doesnt spread their numbers out and cant due to lack of skill ..also if they cant keep a wp their pretty much done cuz they cant spam their whole server in. and that folks is fc exposed like dog nuts. my advice to DR if u wanna take 2nd focus getting down fc’s way points. keep their kitten paper and GG.

Teach us the advanced SF tactics of queuing all of the maps!
edit: I decided to take a few pictures of advanced SF tactics defending the empty map. Thank you all for this wonderful lesson.

Aaaaaaaaaaa thats my guild !!!!!

We are growing nice and healthy but I cant see myself in those pictures

FYI, the guy that was insulting you isnt from my guild, pls take out your frustrations in the correct direction. I know its rough but we had a blast, more then half the people there in those pics are actually our PVE, PVX players and casuals. Its really nice to see them take such interest and I hope it continues.

You should have seen us zerg the jumping puzzles on our last match up and trying to explain the bewildering PvE stuff to our hardcore WvW players !!! Now that was funny stuff, I think Katie got a RL migrane headache from it, bummer we didnt record it.

P.S. (the edit) kitten it !! the quote did not quote the attached images

That guy is a troll trying to cause division in SF by pointing CoSA being the whole server and by putting doubt in CoSA so they think they are the only big thing on SF. Please don’t let that crappy troll get to you, it was well played though, just not good enough for me.

FC is running SoR tactics, SoR, if you look at gold league, got countered hard and for the same reasons we are countering them, thanks in part to our collaborators from BG letting us know how to counter the cheap 80man blob tactic.

Was a good one while it lasted, but whomever expected it to last long is nearsighted, to say the least.

Its gotten worse. Much worse. J/K, everyone is quitting so the queues, on servers that are in bronze, are inexistant, also in part thanks to everyone bandwaggoning on gold tier servers. Jokes on them when they sit in queue 6h+ per night.

Your only shot at enjoying it is on a bronze tier server, like Sorrow’s Furnace if you aren’t in NA and aren’t a solo roamer.

Usually, when SF survives the Weekend and isnt playing catchup, our weekdays are strong since most of the teens from other servers cant log in and cover. However, we still desperately need a western EU/SEA guild for our weakest times.

I would love to see siege last infinitely, but cost 1 ppt per siege for the teams that have it built inside a tower/keep.

Bronze/5

Its OK. But it didnt balance anything out and we still get boring matchups.
Winners are predetermined already, unless someone gets xfers.
kittenty implementation of a good idea.

Well, I gotta say, overall I think DR is putting up a hell of a fight (not those who fight with seige, but the others like RegA) at least compared to what we expected. Good job on improving guys.