Guild Wars 2

Dont know if youre FC or DR Repo, but if you are on DR, you need to know that 25+ of you need siege for 9 people. You may need to relearn to evaluate the numbers.

Mercabre.7123:

I don’t think the points accurately display of the rank or skill of the server. I know this week HoD has put the hurt on ET and as a result DR has more points overall and yet ET is a stronger server than DR.

We put the hurt on ET in week 1 because DH had no resistence to offer, ET at least gave us fights, loot bags. DH is a total joke since they ran their good guilds off the server. They still have the night cappers though.

styx.7294:

Mercabre.7123:

Kalorian.1935:

Here is my prediction for how the rankings will shake out, along with the week by week, match by match analysis of how I got there. It’s a tough call on who will take 1st between DH and FC this week so I basically assumed FC wins this one and DH wins the next time the two meet. I’m on Darkhaven, so I was trying to stay objective.

http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/ac12/Bandit439/NABronze.png

ET will end up being ranked higher than Kain (personal opinion after three weeks of fighting Kain and then ET just before and during leagues). ET seems to have a larger playerbase and coordination.

Surprised to see Eredon Terrace so low, last time we fought them they were much stronger us. I would have had them in the running for top 3.

Top 3 is HoD, FC and SF. In that order unless the SF transfers make it HoD, SF & FC.
When ET faces a non top 3 team, they will get the +5.
Like in weeks 3 and 5.

Nevz.3058:

ptitminou.6489:

Weren’t you on ET?
IF so, who are we going to wipe now that you’re gone?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/Join-ET-Eredon-Terrace-NA-EU-SEA-Oceanic/first#post3068770

Hey mate the IoM on ET that you know of, has not left the server they are still there. This is the Blackgate IoM division, this is the original IoM name (Immortals Of The Mist) and where IoM actually started off as a guild. I talked with Guardian when I came back home to BG about re-starting IoM again. There are only a few old IoM members who have re-joined me and helping along to rebuild the guild. So do not worry my friend Immortals Of The Mists is still standing strong on ET and as far as I know they have no plans on leaving the server at all.

That is great news, because this week has been so boring I am thinking of quitting the game and ET (which is basically IoM) happens to be our only worthy opponent for Weeks 6 & 7 since the other teams made their good guilds xfer off.

If you read that collaborative thread, you will realize that we need some serious transfers. Hate to break it to you, but they are dead silent and only the players are “discussing” anything, this is most likely PR to pretend they care at this point.

So we need a marketing recruitment name. I was thinking “The Zero to Hero Project: Sorrow’s Furnace in Gold Tier”

Blaeys.3102:

akanibbles.6237:

styx.7294:

I think this would be a fantastic and fresh change for season 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHcO6Xo8eJ8

Where instead of 3 servers fightin the servers are split by 3 colours and fight each other with WvW guesting allowed to servers within your colour.

this please. excellent refreshing concept. ++++++++++++

This seems like the perfect solution to the issue. It would really level the playing field, give everyone a chance to see different aspects of WvW and probably eliminate queues on every server.

Win Win Win.

Try 2 since Anet doesn’t like it told bluntly, decipher this:

1) Guest to other server – siegelock them
2) Guest to other server – with a raptor slaying group!
3) Jumping puzzle heros – [JPH] – 20 man raid doing the JP on the server that needs defense.
4) Throw ACs on gates in the middle of the T1 group
5) Fake defense, call out gates are fine when a keep gets tagged
6) Spy other servers with 2nd account (costs less than 25 black lion keys) – Get VoIP – give that VoIP to other groups on your main account.
7) Wear berserker gear and die in AC fire to lure others in to rez you (and it works, trust me, trolls keep doing that to us)

Now, all these are doable now, I agree, but with only 1 server, the griefer’s name gets known fast, I am sure you can all name a few. Now with 6 servers into the mix, it becomes a whole other ballgame. If you didn’t like how WoW dungeons became (if you played that game) when they went cross-server, you know all about the problems that arose. It was no longer possible for a server to shun out griefers and with the added anonymity, even more popped out.

Sure, ANet could program a lot of anti-griefing stuff, but how would it affect regular players?

Perhaps they could lock siege throwing to commanders. It would punish all the tagless groups that try to have fun with friends though. On the bright side, It would also pave the way for Commander ratings, which would be good to give pugs a sense of who not to follow, like the JP-trolling commanders. Then who rates them? Cap taking? Siege taking? Wipes vs Kills? Player votes can’t work because every commander but me is a 0/10 obviously.
Remove JPs? Mobs?
Have each server give an “Official WvW VoIP” and only allow those to be publicized?
Show which gate is being attacked and its percentage in real time on world map?
Simple, it would demand so much effort to counter the side-effects of the system that there has to be a better, superior solution.

That idea just cannot work, other ideas in this thread are far better in terms of fixing the population imbalance problems.

If you hopped on SoR and feel let down that they gave up, feel free to help take Sorrow’s Furnace from zero to hero, that is, make it interesting enough to win bronze this season, silver the next and then go for gold. It is a long term project, I know.

Obviously, a few more NA primetimers wouldn’t hurt, but what we really need is Oceanic and Euro players and especially commanders. We have a huge latin-american presence too. So help us defy the language barrier hurdles and help take this server up to gold tier! Why queue up in a lost season when you can make a bunch of other servers QQ about your transferring over? See you soon!

Running immensely huge zergballs is only effective until people work together to counter it. It has been done. Seems SoR needs a new playstyle.

Dovgan.8605:

ptitminou.6489:

Mariticide.1970:

ptitminou.6489:

Steve Whitley.8359:

ptitminou.6489:

Perhaps teaching your server how to play would be a greater benefit to everyone instead of showing us you have a 2nd account somewhere… or are you shunned by the WvW community there?

what would you know about our server or what i or anyone else does on it?

What I know is that you are refusing to give us a fight when you clearly have the numbers. That makes it pretty obvious that no one went to AR to help them get better.

We don’t have the numbers. That’s been fairly obvious this week. Hell, you spawn camp us with outnumbering forces. As you’ll know by seeing a crazy human engineer General with the [KAOS] tag, I’ll gladly run into a zerg to stomp someone even if I die in the process (Elixir S ftw, I generally get the stomp off). However, our WvW core is <20 people, and the rest don’t have the stamina for a protracted or outnumbered match. I’m sorry you’re not getting the fights you want, but this is due to the stomping our militia has gotten all week. They just don’t show up anymore.

That’s not true. Yesterday at roughly 7pm server, 10pm eastern, you had at least 45 or so in EBG and couldnt counter a group of 27. Thanks for the full bags though, I guess. But seriously, how could you guys even lose? Someone isn’t doing their job, especially if some of you are from a so-called “better” server. I’ve yet to see us outplayed every single time, which is what I expect from “better” than us, I mean, losing must be a pre-req. right? When we go 10 v 30, we lose, so that must be your definition of better… numbers.

Are referring to when we had around 35ish players out there(and I’m being generous considering mesmer clones and pets show up as green dots on radar)? Your math may be slightly off with the 27 however…yes I take screen shots on occasion.

LOL
Nope not referring to that, but I’m sorry you met the huge LORD zerg, too bad they dont WvW every night, those are numbers that make me smile. That’s the group that kept the pugs off of us.

Mariticide.1970:

ptitminou.6489:

Steve Whitley.8359:

ptitminou.6489:

Perhaps teaching your server how to play would be a greater benefit to everyone instead of showing us you have a 2nd account somewhere… or are you shunned by the WvW community there?

what would you know about our server or what i or anyone else does on it?

What I know is that you are refusing to give us a fight when you clearly have the numbers. That makes it pretty obvious that no one went to AR to help them get better.

We don’t have the numbers. That’s been fairly obvious this week. Hell, you spawn camp us with outnumbering forces. As you’ll know by seeing a crazy human engineer General with the [KAOS] tag, I’ll gladly run into a zerg to stomp someone even if I die in the process (Elixir S ftw, I generally get the stomp off). However, our WvW core is <20 people, and the rest don’t have the stamina for a protracted or outnumbered match. I’m sorry you’re not getting the fights you want, but this is due to the stomping our militia has gotten all week. They just don’t show up anymore.

That’s not true. Yesterday at roughly 7pm server, 10pm eastern, you had at least 45 or so in EBG and couldnt counter a group of 27. Thanks for the full bags though, I guess. But seriously, how could you guys even lose? Someone isn’t doing their job, especially if some of you are from a so-called “better” server. I’ve yet to see us outplayed every single time, which is what I expect from “better” than us, I mean, losing must be a pre-req. right? When we go 10 v 30, we lose, so that must be your definition of better… numbers.

Steve Whitley.8359:

ptitminou.6489:

Perhaps teaching your server how to play would be a greater benefit to everyone instead of showing us you have a 2nd account somewhere… or are you shunned by the WvW community there?

what would you know about our server or what i or anyone else does on it?

What I know is that you are refusing to give us a fight when you clearly have the numbers. That makes it pretty obvious that no one went to AR to help them get better.

Steve Whitley.8359:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Still beating you though, LOL!!

is that just so funny to you? i guess what they say about the easily amused is true.

i’ve attached a little graphic for ya to show something (shouldn’t be hard to figure out but, i’m not easily amused, and dont troll mags and sos on my other matchup thread, go figure) to compare a good server w/ you guys.

anvil is dead last, you’re 5 places up from us on the current standings, ahead by 157 rank pts, and (at the time i did this) ahead by 133,399 pts.

contrast that to the jq where i also play, who is also matched up against a server 5 ranks below it; ahead by 382 pts, but is (was) ahead by 207,754pts.

so… am i sitting here (or over there) just laughing my self silly about that? trolling them about it? no. i understand how it all works, am a good sport about the game, and generally try to have a fun time about it.

now you guys… yall come in here, and act like the greatest thing since http://kitten youautocorrect.com and generally make everybody dislike everything you write say and do.

come on… clean it up, stop being punks. there are other servers better than you, who play better servers, beat better servers by larger margians, have better players and are generally much nicer to be around than you lot.

do us all a HUGE favor and get over yourselves.

Sounds like you’re accusing us of not bandwagonning.

I am part of those who wanted to face Blackgate and SoR knowing we’d lose to PPT but wanting to test our skills against those servers would have actually helped us. Lets just say that up to now the xfers, that are supposedly from there, have been major let downs on the battlefield, WZ from FC, IoM from ET to name a few. Complete crap. Yes we have coverage issues, all bronze league has those except HoD.

Perhaps teaching your server how to play would be a greater benefit to everyone instead of showing us you have a 2nd account somewhere… or are you shunned by the WvW community there?

Mariticide.1970:

Mooncow.6847:

Mariticide.1970:

Mooncow.6847:

Come to fight night tonight at SF BL 8:00 EST!
I will stomp the dirty SF players if kaineng has bloodlust

I wish I could go but I work at that time.

I’m sure it will last longer, and tell your friends to go

I’ll mention it. However, I don’t get home from work until 11pm EST, do if you’re still going I’ll swing by.

Don’t bother, we’ll organize a group to police that to make sure it doesn’t take place in any BL. If you guys wont give us a fight, you wont have fun either.

Welcome to the AR crew that just transferred to SF.
We’ll get you set up later tonight before our usual WvW run starts!

Viking Jorun.5413:

Aint nobody kitten with GoM!

Ill warn you now, if you do use em all at once, the server will skill lag and your army of death will turn into a golem death trap.

Come to Sorrow’s Furnace just to beat up on GoM in Round 4!

NOTE: We have queues in NA primetime on some days.

Weren’t you on ET?
IF so, who are we going to wipe now that you’re gone?

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/recruitment/Join-ET-Eredon-Terrace-NA-EU-SEA-Oceanic/first#post3068770

Banzie.5248:

Since my match up is boring was browsing the others and holy kitten kitten fest in here.

Hey, since IoJ is the AR of the silver tier, consider moving your Euro and Oceanic presence to SF, we’d appreciate it and we would certainly make silver tier next season with full coverage. It may be boring here too, but at least you wont get stomped for the other 5 weeks!

Steve Whitley.8359:

ptitminou.6489:

NA primetime is 6-10pm server. You play when we have no one on so you must figure that we suck.

you’re not on so how do you know how many people are playing then? shall i record it and show you?

again w/ the sf we’re a kitten attitude. remarkable.

I log in to check on our keeps several times per day. Just did so now. I have a few WvW guilds in my list and in all combined, atm, the one commander actually getting things done has 14 people on him (both guilds are playin together atm). Ok, they are hardcore WvWers, so when they crush your 30 man zerg, it seems like a lot, but I assure you, the orange swords aren’t from them. They are storming EBG atm and there are pugs that come and go. However, there is more to WvW than EBG, where most of the server is. BTW, there is no queue for it, so it clearly isn’t many. (Even during primetime yesterday we didnt even make an EBG queue)

Steve Whitley.8359:

ptitminou.6489:

When we have players on, we get 500+ ppt. Then night hits and we have maybe 20 people if we’re lucky, like a school day off for the teenies or something. Then primetime hits and we crush our opponents again.

that’s funny. i dont play primetime unless midnight to 4am server time is na primetime.

NA primetime is 6-10pm server. You play when we have no one on so you must figure that we suck. You basically catch the end of our coverage advantage so if you would gun for our side of the maps, you should be having easy caps. Midnight server time is when our population problems begin, you catch the tail end of the pacific time insomniacs. By 8am we are lucky to even tick 100 ppt. Sure, thanks to Kaineng fighting you guys it is inflated this week, but look at how we do vs HoD, who has a night crew that doesn’t totally suck.

Obviously, I am assuming you don’t have the same problem as we do since you do well in holding back Kaineng, but that might just be due to how bad they are. We could be in the same boat, but you dont have the prime-time players we do. Just transfer over and log in right now, throw up a commander tag and see how many you get on you. Then try to take Kaineng stuff and you’ll see how bad our pop outside primetime suffers.

Some people are considering going to bed early to wake up in the middle of the night to spread out our numbers to have at least a form of presence during those times. That is how bad it is.

Steve Whitley.8359:

King Amadaeus.8619:

You obviously don’t know much about WvW….Not trying to be rude, but it is pretty obvious to anyone that has spent even a little time in WvW that: Coverage=Wins.

there is literally only 3 things that can be deduced from this statement:

1) you are extremely rude (hence all the deleted posts, reports & rage pms as you’ve stated)
2) you are literate as you can read other wvw threads which state the same thing
3) this statement is false since sf is obviously still where it is and not in silver or gold league… because if you guys can keep that many people in a map 24/7 but get owned whenever comparable numbers come around, then its not just about numbers / coverage, its also about knowing how to use your numbers

and that my naive friend is wvw. and that my naive friend is why sf is where it is, because your herd follows the likes of you and yours

When we have players on, we get 500+ ppt. Then night hits and we have maybe 20 people if we’re lucky, like a school day off for the teenies or something. Then primetime hits and we crush our opponents again.

The nice thing is your night guys hold off Kaineng pretty well, so you split the PPT. So thanks for handing us the win this week

Mugo.5723:

Any old school AR player remembers when SF could barely get out of T7. We could hang with servers like BP, NSP and SBI, you guys would get beat by DH…we smoked them by 100k+. These were after you received transfers. They weren’t kaineng like transfers but enough to get you out of T7 (see what I did there). I like that you recognize our spirit. We barely had enough then and we barely have enough now.

Actually what happened is some players left to try out tier-1 to see what made them effective. Larger guilds also started showing PvE guys the WvW and how to move around in it. When the tier-1 spies came back, they started spreading what they learned. Next thing we know is how bad we used to be and how terrible the other servers around us are. Now all we need is a night crew to get out of bronze.

lordkrall.7241:

Blaeys.3102:

2. Completely remove all server transfer costs and cooldowns from the game.

A great way to completely destroy WvW within a few weeks.

Why? They had it for 6 months and the situation didnt get any better since implementing costs. It’s 100g to xfer, that’s 7 days of WvW.

AndrewRain.3169:

Sound to me that SF has internal committee problem when one person contradicts the other guy opinion on things. Well anyways I do agree when you have number during NA time and we don’t. But if you guys has the slightest thoughts that Kaineng is weak during NA time your deadly wrong sir. They might not have number to counter your ridiculous organize “bigger” zerg but at least they have spirit of willing to not give up or fight among each other even if we fail, instead we try to boost that morale even among pug’s and try our very best to teach them.

Remember you were once pug’s before deciding to Join up or form an organize group. All I know SF from all the message you have post here. You guys are not a friendly bunch, instead all you try to bash each other or other server when you have the chance to do so.

You had enough to make orange swords (25+), had ACs and ballistas. With 17 we wiped enough to fill our bags and run around until we capped. Yeah it took 1h, but it was our best bodybag farm this week. So please spare us the lies about being good, with those numbers + siege they should have made quick work of us. This is an immensely boring week, so if your night/early morning crew xfers over, we would be in Silver league next time which would actually spare us from crappy match ups like this one.

Pre-gratz on your 3 pts this week.

AndrewRain.3169:

Thank! SF and AR for you keep’s tonight needed them for the achievement. Sorry we had to bring down that way point, but you have the gold to transfer people, so i think you guys wont mind spending another few gold to upgraded it again like SMC.

We don’t have the gold to pay for transfers or else we’d invite you over to SF since your night capping + our primetime capping could be at least silver-tier worthy. Unfortunately, none of our WvW guilds even discussed our financials in order to do that. However, feel free to come on over, we definitely need night-time/early morning commanders and players. Once you’re on SF, we could set you up in VoIP!

Your NA prime-time crew is in dire need of training, fyi. If you plan on staying on Kaineng, you should use blowouts like these to train them instead. All they do is hide behind walls and seige which inevitably will lead to a loss. Numbers are an issue for you too though, like everyone in bronze league, but we had no queue in EBG yesterday to give you an idea. Our numbers aren’t that great since most of the PvE guys gave up on the achievement.

PS: You’re the ones who got the transfers… [BC]

Why more players mean more coverage means autowin
Because 15 players can’t be hitting 3 keeps at once, 50 players can and will outnumber the 15 players all the time. Even if that 15 player group can wipe all those 50, it makes no difference since that group of 50 can split into 2×25, 1 which slows down the 15 and the other 25 just cap cap cap. It is impossible for lesser populated servers to have an impact. The only impact they have is more loot in their bags, so we might as well remove the point system and just give more loot for capping stuff. Not only are the caps faster, they are also more effective when a group carries 750 supply instead of 225.

To the WvW devteam
Since you seem to be refusing, incapable of fixing population issues, might as well remove towers, ppt and just make a huge open plain where 2 teams go at each other. It is the only place where actual skill will matter. However, with all the good will behind your design intentions, that is not the product you deliver. In case you haven’t noticed, we cant be sold a dream because as soon as we log in, reality hits hard.

Tonight
Tonight during my primetime, we were ticking over 500 PPT. Those are against teams that supposedly belong in the bronze tier. Sure they’ll cap everything during the early morning, but they still wont have the coverage to cap it all. Against Yak’s Bend before the season started, we had loot bag farming every 2 minutes, now that was fun, though they capped everything because while we were fighting one zerg, they had 4 capping everything behind us.

Thanks for the boring week
Server merges, do it.

The point of my previous post is to increase the odds of success and to increase the value of you taking your character to WvW as well as to counter ways of playing that leads to losing automatically against organized groups. It will always be hard to retain someone in a game if the game makes him feel like crap no matter what he does.

It is no secret anymore that the play is based on zerg play, but some people just cannot follow, so they must be rewarded to keep them interested, even if they spend a lot of time scouting a tower and don’t deserve it for their kills, they at least deserve it for their time spent.

Fixing the zoom-hack and the wall-hack would go a long ways to prevent bad play too since some people rely on that too much. Just put a programmer on that please.

Hi,
Thanks a lot again for taking the time to communicate with your customers.

Guild alliances
Like in guild wars 1, but without the 10 guild limit. No limit in fact. Instead of having PvE instanced by server, it should be instanced by guild alliance. Allowing guildless people (tagless) to join into a guildless server as if it were a guild. Obviously, it would turn into a massive recruitment zone, but that is fine since most newcomers would benefit from having a guild available to teach them. That way, you would load into instances for your guild alliance, instead of a pug group where no one cares about the guys beside him anyways. PvE wouldnt count for world representation.

Account-bound WXP
The WXP system only hurts and discourages alt-o-holics. For the rest of the players, it is a silly time-gate which creates “trolls” who throw their own siege not to get kicked off, who then get named and shamed and are basically shunned by the WvW community. Hell, we got one guy kicked from his guild just yesterday for that and we hope he never comes back, he’s not an asset if he takes up slots from XPd up players.

WvW servers
Make the servers a WvW only thing. Classify them by tier, for example, the bronze tier has a lot of guilds teaching people to WvW right now. Point out the difference between the servers, give people information about queues, population average by hour for the past months, etc. Reduce the cost of going to losing servers.

What makes a WvW player count for population?
Create a weekly WvW achievement and see how many people complete it. It doesn’t have to be hard, but please don’t make capping SM any different than capping a keep.

Cull turtling
Turtling is playing a game where you just try to outlast the enemy by hiding behind walls and siege. The best way to do that seems to be the removal of arrow carts. It does a server no favor if they learn to play that way. They will always wind up losing. No one likes losing so they quit playing. Yes, I know arrow carts can be countered. 15 of us sat in 6 of them for an hour yesterday and no one went down. The issue is that they cannot learn to play if they have something that discourages most groups. So they keep on losing until they stop logging in. Inactive players still count in the population count, which shows lack of foresight by the dev. team.

Gear trading
WvW gear should be tradable to the vendor to allow people to spec differently. Its not like it is salvagable. The loss of the runes should be penalty enough. Try playing WvW then learning all the effort you put into gearing your character was in vain and you have to start over. Not fun for anyone which in turns leads to more people sticking to PvE. You can’t really go wrong in PvE since at worse it costs you 3.5silver to spec into something that works with your gear.

Reward defending
Allow people who can’t keep up with an assault team to help by defending. Let them be rewarded too. Not everyone should be expected to be as fast as those teams. Give defenders a chest for defending against 10+. Also, give incentive to cap it, by awarding a chest according to the tier it was at so more people go for it. A good chest this time of course, not the lame ones we get for WxP levels.

Remove RI
That makes no sense. If a character cannot get a buff, then a WvW npc shouldn’t have access to it either. It makes us feel more like zeros than heroes. It would also help for smaller groups going around not being stopped by RI in active zones. I run around WvW thinking my character is a pile of crap, not a hero since it is not rewarding. If the PvE wasn’t so boring, I don’t think I would even bother with WvW. If some people like the state of PvE I totally do not blame them for not entering WvW.

Add diminishing returns by pausing caps when lord is up, not resetting it
Bannering the lord is a fun tactic, however, warrior rushing should be stopped. By that I mean, 15 people getting on warriors and just rushing to the lord instead the cap should be paused, not reset. It’s not like we can go and kill the warriors in their spawn so it shouldn’t be viable for them to just constantly rush in from there either. It is just another form of turtling and that leads only downwards.

Commander ratings
Show ratings for commanders that is lost or obtained depending on successful caps, defenses, open-field fights, etc. It is only normal that a new player following a bad commander just quits because that commander cannot show him well enough how fun it can be. With ratings, it would at least help the newer player make a better choice of whom to follow. Reset those upon transfer.

Contested keeps port
When there is a door or a wall down, PAUSE THE TIMER! PAUSE THE NPC RESPAWN TIMER TOO! Perhaps also require gate guards to be dead for the contested to begin.

Bergsguide.7092:

Hey matchup mates, Beasty CO [BC] joined Kaineng earlier this week to help fight the good WvW fight in Bronze League. No Ques equal big win.

Anvil Rock, we must apologize, but nothing can be red until we solidly have 2nd place in this fight in hand. Sorry for the inconvenience. I heard the Toxic PVE is pretty good.

Kaineng militia, good job tonight as we BL hopped. Wiped a good amount of SF groups though the US evening. Thanks for the bags SF. Looking forward to making any zerg second thought charging at a Kaineng group.

We saw your post, so we took your garrison. All 26 of us. We were expecting skill, not people proud of wiping our pug groups. Minor let down aside, thanks for filling up our bags, we were looking for people to farm all week and the new PvE crap is boring.

I wish I had a mini Layla, as a lil pet, you know what I’m thinking….

SHAKA ZULU.3128:

SF are a bunch of kitten kittens. You guys can’t play for anything. I’m not really sure why you gotta siege creep all the time on groups that are smaller than you, AC is not a class you can pick at start. I’d complain about AR if I could find any of you, but you’re always cowering in your towers.

Just kidding, I have no idea. I haven’t even played in this match yet at all. I just wanted in on this delicious thread.

Hey man, that was hilarious, come over to SF, we’ll teach you how to play with us and you will get a delicious thread every week! (as long as clint plays)

clint.5681:

Maybe that knowledge that AR spy got is the reason they are currently in second

I did notice AR change their playstyle slightly too. They deserve it more than Kaineng IMO.

SF still needs more bodies for times outside the US Pacific timezone primetime. If that is you and you want to come on over, we have both TS and Mumble and both can be configured for you to have your guild channel.

Hope the AR spy that pretended to play WoW in our TS learned a bit and transfers over soon!

Can the WvW devs give us updates on their own WvW meta progress? We have passed the 20% mark of the season.

Its a strategic alliance to take out the other keeps. Why fight each other when you can make a keep paper and then go cap it 10mins later? If all servers did that, WP would be useless, in time, you will learn to play.

Hi, Sorrow’s Furnace is an NA guild whom’s primetime is the US Pacific time. We need good commanders, preferably with their guilds, who would like to transfer over to get no queues during the other 20-hours of the day.

We offer server-wide TS for use and we are working hard to change the mentality of the whole server with the dream of one day making it to gold. Up to now, we are doing good, the primetime is usually where we score most of our points. If taking a server from zero to hero is an ambitious project that interests you, come on over to Sorrow’s Furnace!

At least, you’ll get to play instead of sitting around in LA.

Draygo.9473:

Cantur Soulfyre.5409:

Steve Whitley.8359:

mad? me? about what? some 3rd rate server stuck in the bronze league, who in its history of existance cannot get out of the bottom ranks of wvw who wouldn’t know how to play wvw if anet sat at their computers and played it for them… nope, not mad dude, but it wouldnt do me any good to try to explain anything to people who dont understand human. please re-read what i wrote and lol all ya want. pat yourselves on the back and congradulate yourselves on the win. you are on a server who has hundreds of people who idle for hours to to face roll 2 people taking a camp. I find that hilarious and completely and utterly sad. so, am i mad??? omg no HAHAHHHAAA that question is so full of win i almost forgot what to call myself.

jq, bg and sor should watch out for you guys… oh wait… oh yea i forgot you can play the disappearing game just like we’re doing as soon as you meet a server w/ coverage, which is why you’re here and not the silver league HAHAHHHAHAHAHA.

enjoy the boring week fella’s

Please see bold text above, these prove this person IS mad. LOL, it is a game brother. And not a better time for a boring week, we can get the PvE Halloween stuff done.

Just for the record, we know exactly why we are in Bronze League. No SEA\EU coverage at all. We know our NA numbers are strong, pretty much always has been. But as soon as we go to sleep/work we lost all or most of our PPT. Nothing new, so I am not sure why you get all upset (again, see the bold areas above for the all caps and … use to illustrate how “not” mad you are) that our rolling you has happened again.

This is why I like ET and FC so much. They got stomped for 2-3 months straight and acted with class pretty much the whole time (there are always a few bad apples). And look at them now, playing pretty kitten good in this League.

Anyways, stay cool in school. Have fun, see you around maybe.

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Tell this guy:

ptitminou.6489:

1 boring week ahead…
If you are in Sorrow’s Rock or Kaineng and play Oceanic, feel free to xfer over to SF, we’ll show you how to play.

That it isn’t appropriate to post in a thread where your server is stomping. We like our server much like the fact that you like your server. Server recruitment is that way.

Also you don’t want a bandwagon on your server. All bandwagons do is join your server promising good fights, and winning, and they will stay forever. Only to take over your community, push your server up in the rankings and as soon as you cant move up anymore jump ship to another bandwagon completely desolating your community far worse than it would have been if it was just left alone in the first place.

When within the first couple of posts someone is gloating I tend to look down on that server and not treat them with respect.

I dont care what you do, but maybe someone else wants to get involved with a server that wont lose all the work they do in 1 hour after they log, just like we do when we get done at night. We wake up fully expecting 100 points tops, anything past that is a huge bonus. We’ve got groups that are willing to coach them if they move over, its their choice to make. Stay on Kaineng if a server cluster is the most important thing in your life right now, I don’t care.

Opc.4718:

Wow all these SF people trash talking like they’re the best thing since sliced bread. Umm, congratulations for outplaying AR/Kain with your outstanding display of overwhelming numbers? It’s a winning tactic last I heard. Please tell us how pro all of you are PvDing everything with no resistance.

Yes I’m being deliberately obnoxious and arrogant because that’s exactly how you come across as. Yes YOU, you obnoxious and arrogant SF posters. I would be very mad, but I find it endearing.

Now it’s going to be a boring week ahead, if you are in Sorrow’s Furnace or Kaineng and play at any time, feel free to xfer over to AR, we’ll show you how to play. Like real men.

So that’s all you have left, thinking yourself a “real man” because there is absolutely nothing else for you to put forward that you are resorting to attempting to attack one’s sexuality in order to incite an emotional response for them to join your side? I’ll let you in on a secret about SF…. I have yet to come across a 13yo. Past that age, your cheap tricks don’t work.

AndrewRain.3169:

ptitminou.6489:

1 boring week ahead…
If you are in Sorrow’s Rock or Kaineng and play Oceanic, feel free to xfer over to SF, we’ll show you how to play.

So your saying that Oceanic time your the weakest? thank for the tip

Yeah man, come join us, we literally have no one. We’d be Silver-tier if we had night coverage, its really our non-NA times that make us bronze.

1 boring week ahead…
If you are in Sorrow’s Rock or Kaineng and play Oceanic, feel free to xfer over to SF, we’ll show you how to play.

Assassin X.8573:

nobody puts DH in a corner. DH puts [cosa]+friends in a corner. in garrison. like those smelly cow shots we had raining on ya?

Seeing DH at less than 150 per tick tells me cosa + friends are winning. If you are dumb enough to fight for a garrison only, keep it tbh.

Zylonite.5913:

ptitminou.6489:

Zylonite.5913:

“WvW Dawn at of the Season” achievement is not unlocked yet on my achievement panel. This should have been unlocked on reset. I heard some other people have this issue as well.

PS. I didn’t change servers at anytime before and after the season started.

Did you join a WvW game?

You mean going on a borderland and joining a commander? yes I did and took 50 camps and killed 100 lords.

It’s a bug then. That’s what happens when you have more designers than programmers.

skullmount.1758:

(Not good at trying to convert people, but heres what I got. Hopefully another DH member can come and give a better description.)
Well I’d say come to Darkhaven, but we’ve been getting outnumbered alot (just not getting the buff for some reason) lately, which it seems you don’t want. But we don’t ever usually have any queues anymore (been having some on EB lately, at NA primetimeish, but its usually a short wait). We have our own server TS as well (its a bit course sometimes). We have little to no Oceanic anymore though, just as a heads up (at least thats the way it seems and what I’ve heard).
Also as a heads up, we’re definitely more of a PvE server, so when new patches/events come out we tend to really thin out.

We’ve been capping your whole BL with 15-20 people while you guys chill out in stonemist. Its not that you’re outnumbered, it’s that you’re not organized. You also drove out FURY which was trying to make DH good again.

RiWiJo.7502:

10) You are just wrong here, again learn to play your class. This attitude is another reason commanders shouldn’t be able to see spec builds.

As a necro I roll my face on the keyboard and no matter what I do works. It was the same on hammer warrior too, but I felt cheap with all those stuns. Other classes should be buffed to be on the same level, has nothing to do with learning how to play.

Hammer warriors and necros supported by guardians are stronger than any other combo. Sure you can carry a ranger tagging other keeps for diversions / 1200 range or a thief going for siege when you break in. But you cant run a group with only that, whereas you can do great with just guardians, warriors and necros. That is a balance issue and other classes need to be buffed.

RiWiJo.7502:

Not much I can agree with here but I will have a go:

7) I don’t understand this point.

The WP resets and becomes available when the timer goes down to 0 as if no one was contesting the keep, yet there is only a zerg in the keep or better yet, capping a point. When you mouse over it it says contested. So what part of having a group in there makes it magically not contested after a timer? It is a logic issue. Just changing contested to another word would be fine too, it’s just illogical to remove the contested with a zerg standing right by it. What does the word contested mean to ANet really is what I am wondering. If its like in the English dictionary, then they are using it wrongly.

PS: 8 isnt really an issue, its a bag farm for us. It just sucks that my character is inherently weaker than an NPC with the downed state sickness. As I said, remove the downed state sickness and its fine.

Maybe bronze tier servers have crappy hardware. A lot of players are saying that they had fights with WAY more people on Blackgate and they never had skill lag that bad too.

As for the armor I’m CTV with melandru runes and 30k hp. But if half the group is in berserker, I sure as hell won’t be relying on them to take on a zerg equal in numbers, I hate being farmed for bags; which is why it would be great if we could know what is following the commander. Rather WP and work around them.

As for 10, that is all range does in bronze tier, they stay back and cower. Our biggest organized group against us this week is a group of people that will lose everything in order to keep their garrison… tag garri and EBG and other BLs all empty up, its sad.

What does an ele do after he throws down his lightning field? (that everyone avoids easily because a zerg to us is a havoc crew in Blackgate – we rarely even get orange swords) I would love to let ele’s know what to try after. ATM, I keep telling em to run away and go hide behind a wall with the earth shield since its all eles are good for.

Zylonite.5913:

“WvW Dawn at of the Season” achievement is not unlocked yet on my achievement panel. This should have been unlocked on reset. I heard some other people have this issue as well.

PS. I didn’t change servers at anytime before and after the season started.

Did you join a WvW game?

bloodletting wolf.2837:

1. I have no skill lag because I didn’t jump on the band wagon yet you want to punish us by lowering the population – no thanks.

2. Nothing is wrong with arrow carts if you learn how to work around them.

3. Agree

4. I would love to be able to respec even if it cost me some jangle.

5. No problem with laurels.

6. I don’t see how adding rewards (that pve players will flock to) makes wvw any more meaningful.

7. Agree

8. Just like arrow carts and thieves there are strategies to make sure this doesn’t happen. I will admit that it’s annoying till you figure it out.

9. Inspect gear-nty, the rest of it I could live with if I really had too

10. This is actually pretty funny. Without ranged aoe your zerg would have to deal with enemies right up on the wall or not able to close a choke point without siege. The day I’m just a loot bag for the enemy team I’ll quit but right now I get some pretty long kill streaks.

1) I’m in bronze tier (Sorrow’s Furnace) and have yet to enjoy 1 night free of skill lag this week.

2) What is wrong with arrow-carts is that their mechanics can be exploited. If it was fair for everyone, I wouldn’t mind but seeing ANet not fixing the exploit probably means they “don’t have the technology” to do that yet. So removing them is the best way to fix a bad implementation. In game, go on an arrow cart, put your game in windowed mode, then resize it so its full screen width but only 1/3 of the screen in height. You’ll see. I know that generally, a blob is able to live through them if they have enough guardians, the issue is that the exploit that seems unfixable.

5) Laurels only hurt alts, making WvW unappealing to alt-a-holics again hurting the population. That is the problem.

6) If a guild claims a keep, they can make it THEIRS. For a lot of people that is important, but at the moment there is no incentive to do that. It would be meaningful to them to keep their claim. PvE players that flock to WvW and are reigned in by the WvW players quick enough start liking it, till they hit the laurelgate.

8) The idea is that if the player can’t do it, the NPC shouldn’t be able to either. I would also be fine with removing the downed state DR. Just not have 2 standards. Am I a hero or a turd?

9) It’s important to know what you are running with as a leader. I am not asking for the commander to kick people from WvW, only so they know what they have.

10) Range aoe is what a necro brings, try a staff. CC is more important than damage in zerg-play, everyone knows that once they drop their aoe, the back-row is rally bait.

Dark Catalyst.1028:

11) Remove ascended gear

Or make it acquirable without laurels so people can close the gap in a week’s time.

1) Lower the player cap per map for each team.
This would certainly help for the skill lag. It would also force stacked servers to eventually de-stack, thus redistributing the population to other servers without merging servers. Though a server merge would be welcomed too.

2) Nerf arrowcarts – greatly – so they disappear from the game
Though I generally hate nerfs, it is obvious that this is the quickest way to fix the arrow cart problems related to screen-resize hacking. It would also force a lot of groups to learn how to really do tower defense and the likes. Their whole implementation is terrible. Replace it with Asuran intel-beacons that tell the builder how many enemies are close to it.

3) Superior siege – removing the skill point cost
An alternative way to obtain superior siege would actually help new players and new commanders enjoy the game. Currently, the cost for those is much too high (be it in gold or in time to create them) for the rewards, which is a huge turn off for non-WvW centric guilds and new commanders, which in turn leads to people not following them so they quit WvW and focus on PvE.

4) Respeccing WvW points
Some people get discouraged from putting some in the wrong fields by mistake and quit playing WvW, again hurting the population. Who cares if some people can change specs or not if it actually promotes team play?

5) Remove laurels from WvW
Timegates in PvP only favor those who play longest. Skill should be the only imbalance on the battlefield.

6) Make it meaningful!
WvW is meaningless at the moment. It is a great karma farm, other than that, nothing. Sure there are bonuses, but to be honest, they’re hardly noticeable. Make holding back a 25-man zerg (defending) actually give a chest. Along with an arrowcart nerf, this could make WvW more than a farm zone.

7) Contested points
Why are players, supposedly heroes, but really total pieces of crap, unable to make being inside a keep simply leave it contested but when mobs in pve look towards a camp, it is contested forever? Logic, sometimes, using it, doesn’t hurt. If there is a 25-man zerg inside a keep, it sounds pretty contested to me.

8) Bannering the Lord DRs
When I die, die again, die again and again, eventually nothing can rez me. Perhaps a similar mechanic would make banner rezzing a temporary, last minute tactic instead of a turtleling tactic.

9) Commander functions
Allow commanders to inspect gear, give them a UI to throw seige more effectively, allow them to block siege placement by non-commanders in a radius around them. Allow them to make their tags invisible to non-squad members. Basically, make it worth the 100g it costs by improving their overall effectiveness to, you know, command.

10) Buffing the “loot” classes
If you play something other than Guardian, warrior, mesmer or necro, your contribution to a WvW team is minimal and you would be more useful as an uplevel of those classes instead of the one you’re playing. Essentially, you are a loot bag for the enemy team. That is not normal.