Guild Wars 2

I find it funny now that all the higher divisions are complaining all the time. It used to be Sapphire and lower just a week ago.

welcome to the weekend of terrible players.

Don’t know why ppl are saying ruby and higher.

S1 Sapphire (T1 T2 Crossing Division achievements)
S2 Sapphire (T3 Crossing Division Achievements)
S3 Ruby (T4 Crossing Division Achievements)

(I am in T4 achievements atm, but crossing division for T4 unlikely as I need to get to Legendary)

For a over a week now, I’ve been stuck in Emerald T4. And it seemed the longest time of being in a hopeless limbo of losses. I managed to finally catch a win streak into Sapphire!

It was not easy the past week however. Starting out hard on Day 1, with a warrior to do the “win ranked” achievements definitely shot myself in the foot. Once in emerald, and back on my main (ranger) I started having those “10-15” losing streaks. My build once viable in S1 Ruby (which let me into Diamond before the season ended) wasn’t cutting it.

I would continue to tweak my build. but it was not working. Although I’ve improved I was still having a win ratio of 2/8. I became desperate. As my only goal this season was to hit sapphire at least (originally aimed for ruby).

few days ago I finally bit the bullet and turned my vanilla ranger build into druid. I tried to swear off going druid, but there was no options left to have a sustainable vanilla build. Which was only effective with 1 v 1’s and groups of new players.

It improved abit, I was now only having losing streaks of 3-4 (occasionally +5) but still was not enough. I had to do it. I went full bunker/healing druid.

I could now help my team much more. Blowouts of 200+ points started to become less often. win ratio became closer to 50/50 again… And finally. Finally. Hit a win streak to take me out of T4 Emerald straight into Sapphire!

Even though this was just emerald, this was my own mountain to over come. Through all the afk’ers, new/inexperienced players I was grouped with. I’ve climbed this tiny hill. Although there will still be more of the same in Sapphire. I could probably stress a lot less now.

I can only hope this post can give some inspiration to other stuck in their tiers. It’s still possible to dig yourself out of your mmr hole that has been dug.

Good ol’ kitten.

Aenesthesia.1697:

mm is not setup to give anyone an advantage. You are playing in the same division other people are, so you play against them all. You can have the advantage, or be in a serious disadvantage, but it all depens on your relative skill level vs the competition.

What point of 90% of games being blowout matches is not evidence enough? You are grouped up with similar “teammates” with mmr. The other team has teammates with similar mmr but better than yours.

Others on the forum seem to do way much better on a toon account with clean mmr, is that not evidence also?

That anet said themselves this new system to promote “better players” meaning better mmr. But not necessarily better skill wise.

Played against 5 necro’s with 2 DH on my team. Lost 200 – 500.
2 games after I was against 4 necros. (their ele def carried them) lost that game also. (also 2 necro’s on our team)

This is emerald. so teammates freak out when they see a stacked team.

Salamander.2504:

Thanks everyone for your participation. The attached figure shows the results. Too bad N=48 but I’m impressed so many people replied, even if it isn’t really a statistically significant number. In any case, if this was helpful at all to anyone we can do it for further weeks?

Looking at this so far. Looks like starting out on day 1 is a bad idea.

claytonmorby.3751:

It’s been a while since I looked back at this thread but there was a point I wanted to contest with what some of you are saying: “high MMR players got carried by their MMR”. If that’s the case then they’re most likely stuck in high sapphire or low ruby. People in diamond/leg now started having even matches as far back as high sapphire. Nearly all my games in ruby were decided by a couple of mistakes or bad decisions.

Now that doesn’t address the issue with the large loss streaks people are having, and honestly unless people record their matches and post for evaluation (which some people have), there will be no way to truly determine if MMR is really the issue.

Sapphire is not bad for this season at this point. There are still loads of high end players who don’t play as much or started late who are still climbing through..

I think the loss streaks are those mainly below/in sapphire. The skill level (while I’m stuck in Emerald T4) varies wildly. And cannot consistently win matches.

One match will be a cake walk were it feels like a 5 v 3. Next it feels like constant 4 v 5 for the next few matches. Skills which the either team is still has new to pvp players, to a match that felt like a good S1 Ruby/Diamond match.

my matches would be like win, win, lose, win, lose, win, lose, lose, win, win, lose lose lose then go onto win, lose, lose, lose, lose, win > repeat

Aenesthesia.1697:

It’s so simple: you play against everyone in your division, and the quality of players in your team depends on your mmr. if you get bad players in your team then you have to group to offset your bad mmr. If you still cannot consistently win, it means you grouped with the wrong players, or if your teammates are on your skill level, then you DO need to get better, as you are clearly not good enough to beat the division consistently.

MM is currently setup to give 1 team an advantage (no more 50/50). So if your mmr has been tanked unfairly, it’s hard to get back up, if not impossible to good standing to get on the “advantage” side of MM

Aenesthesia.1697:

You can do one more thing: wait till the best players in your division move on and more players below your skill level reach your division. Then you will get wins without getting any better, and you will not worsen your mmr due to constantly losing, but it’s probable that the players below your skill level rage quit before reaching your division.

The bulk of the good players have already moved on into their divisions. The only ones left are those who can only put in a few matches a per day.

The problem is 90% of the people playing these classes, are playing it poorly. Yes it’s viable only if they’re good at it.

I ran out of condi-clears and dodge rolls. (5 necros)

Torafugu.1087:

All these threads allow stuck people to make faster informed decisions when they come to the forums to see what’s going on. They might be blaming themselves. I knew some people who were still not aware of the snowball situation, these threads let them know and help them quit.

Otherwise they’d just be blaming themselves and hating their life.

Yeah I wish I knew about the snowball effect, before using my warrior to do meta achievements and screwing up my initial mmr. Def blaming myself for that. Now I’m stuck with noobs for the rest of the season.

Basket of Boxes.1976:

MMR may not be a perfect reflection of skill but its a better representation than any other system we have had.

Right, so I’m similarly skilled to a 5 signet warrior who does not know how to cap? Knowing that the system groups similarly mmr’d players.

1) Day 1
2) Emerald
3) Yes 20%ish win rate
4) Stuck
5) occasionally
6) unfortunately yes

claytonmorby.3751:

Hm that’s a kinda light time, late EU players would be on, and not really any NA yet. From what I’ve heard though is that pop is just low in general, either a lot of people quitting or waiting a little bit.

Usually we have SEA, JPN, AUS to fill in the other time spot, but those players are usually MIA. Lots of reports of lag.

claytonmorby.3751:

Ah well that explains the amber. Premades take the highest division to determine matchmaking. That way groups can’t pull easier match by having one friend with a low division.
During the day when though? What time? What timezone?

11am-3pm PST on NA servers

claytonmorby.3751:

Hm do you play at a really low pop time? If you’re tier 4 it’s definitely possible you could pull sapphires, ambers shouldn’t be a thing though

Nope this was during the day. I lol’d when I saw a sapphire on the other team, and a emerald duo que’d with a amber. lost 180-500 something along those lines.

Similarly I won a game with 5 emeralds versus 3 emerald, 2 amber all of us soloq. Felt like a 5 v 3 at that point.

Engel.6029:

If your matches are being decided by 100 points or less mmr is working and people are just screwing up.

Do you talk with the team before the match? A simple “Hi, I’m going mid/home/far” loosens people up usually.

Do you see people feeding a zerg on your home? Or similarly 3 people running to help a 1v1 on home? Call them out on it (gently).

People going for secondary objectives when they shouldn’t? People fighting off point? Poor rotation in general? Prod people gently on these points during the match and hopefully you will get through. Also make sure you aren’t committing the same sins. Also watch the mini-map if you see the other team has left a point un-defended and you are fast capture it or decap it at the very least.

At a certain point you give in, and stop babysitting other players. Sure it’s adding to your downfall. But at least you avoid getting getting angry pm’s what he or she should do.

Also people get tunnel vision. Never look at the map or chat box. I’d be capping a point after finishing a 1v1 only two have 2 people come to my rescue after I already capped it.

claytonmorby.3751:

Edit: emerald and sapph have the potential to be worse than Amber IMO because there will be less new players for you to get matched against and more high end player who are just cruising through to ruby

So many games played in emerald that don’t make sense… But I guess that’s were all the amber players default too since they didn’t lose pips till then.

Also I’m finding that matchmaking is scavenging in amber or sapphire players which I shouldn’t be seeing yet.

RlyOsim.2497:

Early sapphire, 5 signet warrior.

5.

Signet.

Warrior.

#workingasintended

I think my own warrior would commit seppuku if she saw that.

but that gave me a chuckle, which I cried after being stuck in emerald.

I was on a massive losing session in t1 Emerald. I was lucky and broke out of t2. Rinse and repeat, each tier is slightly better.

In t4 now. Still seems hopeless to even get the required 3 wins in a row after a losing streak. ratio is about 1 / 4-9 games atm. Where as in t1 that was about 1 / 10+

You have the usual 4th / 5th pip curse. Somebody usually throws the game at that point.

I doubt waiting is a factor anymore. I see in the lobby the bulk is in sapphire now, very few emeralds and amber (either that they quit)

meanwhile everybody is climbing on top of each other, and kittening in the lower tiers. XD

Rolisteel.1375:

Dreddful.4860:

Man, when people dont even understand Mesmer downed skill or anything else conquest related, I get twice the points of my teammates in some games, top defender and capper etc, something is wrong! The mmr is completely busted wide open! I palyed with Saphire and Ruby guys one game, and they were way worse! (guilkdies) How cant I even leave emerald in soloq!!! So frustrating since you cant carry a whole team on your back…

How skilled are you in GW2? I mean your pvp skill. Low, Low-Mid- Mid – Mid-High – High?

the skill of common sense?

R O C.6574:

PowerBottom.5796:

Two of the undoubtedly best classes aren’t played very often at all (rev and scrapper), while two of the worst ones are (thief and DH). It’s pretty weird.

Why is there still so much theif hate!

Probably because there’s are alot of stupid ones that don’t know how to play theif. When they’re good, they’re good. But that’s a rare case.

IE I’m stuck in emerald, and thiefs I’ve run into have no concept of back capping, running away from a necro when they’ve rushed far. Doing 1 v 3’s in mid. But that’s the case with any class while here in emeralds’ville.

Interpret Interrupt.3824:

Do which ever one you need achievements for. In my case I do the dungeon tracks. The rewards are based off the regions. So if you want something from a specific region, do the track associated with that area.
Certain stat combinations for example. etc.

I like dong Magus atm. Tons of stuff I need for building HoT legendary. Next would be Glorious for the armor skins.

Dreddful.4860:

Man, when people dont even understand Mesmer downed skill or anything else conquest related, I get twice the points of my teammates in some games, top defender and capper etc, something is wrong! The mmr is completely busted wide open! I palyed with Saphire and Ruby guys one game, and they were way worse! (guilkdies) How cant I even leave emerald in soloq!!! So frustrating since you cant carry a whole team on your back…

LOL are they stomping the clone?

sigh there are terrible ppl in all divisions it seems. (in T4 Emerald, played against the most glassy thief you ever saw that was in Saph).

Guess they rode the mmr to the upper divisions, MMR will be forever against us this season i’d imagine.

Except Silverwastes is not repeatable.

There are already threads like this, there all shoved down the forum because there the minority.

Just a lost a 5 v 4 in emerald, with there enemy team with their 1 sapphire dc’ed.

I can only speculate my mmr is 0 now. XD

First time seeing sapphires, being on a losing streak in T3 emerald.

doesn’t matter tho, 1 person quit then dc’ed at the start.

Kako.1930:

This is the season of complete randomness. PVPing is now a form of gambling, wagering pips to see if you get the good team or the afk team lol. May RNGesus be with us all.

RNGesus would spread himself thin if he did.

Of course knowing anet will never change the current mmr setup or balance for the rest of this season. What do you guys think the state of PVP will be after this season?

Will things finally balance out? or will things continually spiral out of control? Will this be the season of un-fun?

Supreme.3164:

EPYON.2731:

Please fire the MMR Programmers & back S1 MMR.

One word: NO

S1 was a complete nightmare for me, still managed to make it to diamond entirely as solo player but then I quitted..I simply had enough to be matched with players who were clearly far below my skill level.

Right now I’m playing with people that I don’t need to babysit every kitten second, they will stomp/disengage/properly/ rotate/regroup/ress…without me telling them!

I’m just glad they got rid of that stupid 50/50 rule

Last season you could get diamond players that would tri-cap or go boss from start, fight off point, zerg move around the map…like seriously? diamond level players that play like hotjoiners

This PvP system is fantastic…that’s it, best piece of work from the PvP team in over 3 years

What are you smoking? I also solo q’d to diamond, but all I get is ppl 3 capping, not rotating, head smashing into mid with a 1 v 3, rushing lord, etc.

For the past 3 games I’ve been paired up with the same person that have intentionally thrown games. (ie sitting at lord doing nothing, while the doors are still up)

The other team’s excuse was I was being paired with a person with similar mmr. How is this remotely possible?

1 more win to tier up. Kyhlo was choosen. Our theif proceeds to sit on treb the entire game, even repairing it 3 times! The funny thing that we were coming back from a 100 point deficit when he wasn’t on it, and was even ahead for a moment. But he decided to go on the treb to lose by over 100 points.

^ this.
All the game’s I’ve played have be a wash, steam rolled, etc. When I do win, I’m on the other side of that fence for once. 1v1’s and some 1v2 become dramatically easy.

There is no sense of MMR at this point.

Interpretor.3091:

You just get better, you need to honestly learn to play before you come on here and complain. Watch some pro games and learn some rotations, pick up another class or two so you can work with the comp you get set up with and more easily carry games. You need to adapt and learn, you aren’t doing anything by coming on here and saying something is wrong with the system when there is a extremely high probability that it might just be you. The pip system is actually really good this season and I haven’t had any problems with MMR and I solo queue about 80% of the time. That being said, here are my solo queue games for today.

http://imgur.com/tkF5jCh

Oh something is very wrong with the system, or at least I’m one of the minority that slips through the cracks of the MMR system.

2500 Games. Diamond last season.

You should probably also mention what league you were in last season, to see who’s getting these win streaks. And if you doing duo, triple, premade, solo q.

you guys are lucky, I keep getting matched up with the same legendary players every match, they even paired two duo que legendary players together one time! wtf.

win 1 lose 10-15 in a nutshell

Sucks when you think about it. And that the start of every season will be like this. Anet said matches would be favored for those who did well last season. I guess that only applied to people who made it into Legendary. (so many players primordal tags, and 4th set of wings, I’ve seen more Legendary players than when I was in Diamond Last season)

Ratio 2/8 atm. Enough to get me out of amber, but doesn’t matter at the moment.

This setup feels worse than the initial Season 1. Although I hope this lasts less than a week, but my gut says 3 more weeks of this before things settle.

I guess Anet or somebody likes to see us squirm and QQ all the time. That should be a new sub-pvp forum the “QQ” forum.

Welp, I think this is the straw the broke the camels back, at least for me till ranked finally comes back.

I actually had a +50/50 win ratio with my warrior pre-patch. Now it’s just in the gutter.

I’ve noticed the same bad matches as before, mm might be faster, but now I lose faster.

why am I not surprised nobody has any good advice against scrapper then?

Fivedawgs.4267:

rwolf.9571:

Fivedawgs.4267:

Lol ..L2p dude . Seriously though unlike ele scrapper cant aoe. And they are pretty easy to kill once you learn their mechs. And if I may. What is your main profession?

Typical response. Clear to elaborate they’re easy to kill? No then don’t.

Condi build -> Cleanse, Heal constantly
Ranged attacks -> Reflects
Power build. -> Lots of healing, toughness. Will outlast you.
Bunker -> Scrapper out bunkers you.

Only consistent way to beat a scrapper is a 3 v 1

Lmao are you serious?? “Only consistent way to kill scrapper is 3 vs 1” thanks for the laugh . If it takes you 3 people to kill a scrapper then this is Def a L2P issue. Hint for you: pay attention to what your enemy is using like what boons he has on him and stuff!! Lmao at 3 vs 1 to kill a scrapper.

Still didn’t explain anything “stuff” is very descriptive.

Fivedawgs.4267:

Lol ..L2p dude . Seriously though unlike ele scrapper cant aoe. And they are pretty easy to kill once you learn their mechs. And if I may. What is your main profession?

Typical response. Clear to elaborate they’re easy to kill? No then don’t.

Condi build → Cleanse, Heal constantly
Ranged attacks → Reflects
Power build. → Lots of healing, toughness. Will outlast you.
Bunker → Scrapper out bunkers you.

Only consistent way to beat a scrapper is a 3 v 1

I’ve come to the conclusion that matchmaking is incredibly broken at 4 am, despite being having a populated lobby.

I wish I had a gold every time somebody 3 or even 4 cap home at the start.

Seems like the more I improve playing warrior, I get even dumbfounded teammates.

Reading the patch notes were it partially based on the number of games played (which is 600 unranked) leaves me speechless.

Annnnnddd back to 0/10 games… matchmaking makes no sense at all.

Update

I’m now around 1 win/1 loss with my warrior today. Swapped 2 ability’s seemed to help. I would’be stopped playing my warrior, but gun flame it too addicting…

Stun lock, stun lock, stun lock, Gun Flame! Which is a nice change from my trapper run Ranger.

Evan Lesh.3295:

I fully expect higher-skilled players to swap more, but that is a much smaller portion of the player-base.

An important question i: Would all high-skilled players be OK with profession locking if we could ensure no stacking?

Just a typical day in unranked…