Guild Wars 2

Tachii.3506:

The poison venom is simply bad tbh, sb #4 is enough for poison and the chill venom is inferior to Devourer Venom. A “venom build” invest too much on some rather lackluster utility skills, with venom share I only see utility with the heal venom and skale venom, maybe devourer venom. You have to have a stun breaker in your utility so if you really want venoms, I’d go with the heal venom, skale venom, and devourer venom, with the last utility as shadowstep. Might want to switch devourer venom with Shadow Refuge for more utility (reviving downed allies, etc).

I use poison venom because its a great burst of poison, torment, and bleed when entering a fight, if you approach with steal, CnD, and Pstealth skill. Also i wouldnt call spider venom useless as when used with leeching venoms its a nice 1.5-2.5k heal.

I’m sadly with Deimos on this one… I play a condi bunker thief, and when i get turned into a Moa I personally feel insulted. They think they can just pull that crap? “oh i’m losing, better turn this chump into a Moa” Well when i get turned into a Moa i think, “kitten it, ima Moa now, lets kick some kittening kitten ”

So when i run a venom build i run 20/0/30/0/20… i use skale, and spider venom, with heal on venom and reduced cooldown! Shadow step as your stunbreak and condi removal, with condi removal in stealth, and gain health in stealth… youre set. P/D as your weps you have plenty of kite, and quite a bit of survivability. This may be a commonly used build, not sure. lots of variations of condi builds (:

So these are my feelings, if anyone is in the same boat as me feel free to speak up, cut I’m getting sick of the trash. When i first started playing at launch, I wanted my thief to do crazy damage. Stumbled across berserker and thought, “This is a great way to do a bunch of damage”… then after months of getting flack and cry babies kittening(and yes i simply spelled out kittening) I decided to swap to conditions so people couldnt cry when i beat them. NOW, every time i beat some one i get called a meta loser, or perplex thief, i don’t even use perplex!!! At this point i feel like if i play condis people spit perplex at me, and if i play damage, people spit stealth or OP at me….. any one have a good non crit, non-condi build i can play!?

Not sure how everyone feels about venoms, but here I go, I’m not too happy with them. For me to effectively use venoms i have to trait at least 20 into DA, which i don’t really want to do. I feel likeI ‘m making a venom build, not a condition build, seeing as all my focus goes into making my venoms effective so I can hold any kind of pressure on well made builds. I’d prefer being able to effectively use conditions on thief, without having to waste my traits on all these venoms. Understood we can hold,about 10 stacks of bleeds with caltrops and main hand pistol. But without venoms we can really only hold bleeds and torment… poison requires weppin swapping… and i’ll never use perplex. In surmise, please make venoms more standalone so i can focus my traits into more important things

Didn’t read all these comments. I’m thief and i fully respect killshot… if it hits me, I’m most likely afk, if it misses… well.. of course it does.. i’d be okay if killshot simply put you into full defeated state… kitten, it could have a 3 second daze.. the point is that the there are 101 ways to avoid that attack lol

I run condi thief. Dire weps and armor, apoth accessories… with healing from venoms and steal, its pretty nice. I don’t use any stealth less its cloak and dagger, but the 400hp a second heal, and condi removal from that is awesome… then Shadow Step getting rid of the scary condi’s I do feel pretty tanky… anyways what were we talking about? condi’s are NOT op! I got flack when i used back stab, now i go condi, and i get flack for that too. ima start running sentinel’s on my thief

read through this… well i read the first page… realized there were 6 more pages… realized i wasn’t on the thief page. wow

NeHoMaR.9812:

Hmm! I will see if “blind” is causing this, but I notice this more versus thieves, so that’s why I ask here. Example, if I play warrior, and I am downed, I use skill 2 to prevent the finish with a knockdown, 90% of times I miss it in someone without stability is a thief. It’s obvious this skill normally doesn’t work versus a guardian that has stability 24/7, but a thief never have stability. Maybe in the excitement of battle I don’t notice the blind.

I think I need to play a thief for some hours myself (need to do this with mesmer too) to learn more about how to counter.

EDIT: I was observing a thief in PvP, and he used Black Powder every single time he downed a player. All classes can blind, but only the thief can spam it without recharge time, I see.

“I was observing a thief in PvP, and he used Black Powder every single time he downed a player. All classes can blind, but only the “thief can spam it without recharge time”, I see."

…. Eat kitten

yu know what? i was in SPvP yesterday and missed all my venom shots on a thief doing this to me XD i laughed! At first i was like “kitten kitten kitten kitten”, but then i was like, "hey it’s as if i had wasted my venom on a warrior blocking. accept when a warrior is done blocking he still has 4 more skills available… that thief had no more initiative… where is the OP?

Good opinion! Thanks for posting! Cavalier’s and Zerker’s is a lot more damage heavy then im looking for, but maybe ill swap my cavalier’s for straight zerker

Sentinel’s armor with assassin’s weapons and a combination of Cavalier’s and Valkyrie accessories traited 0/0/30/20/20 seem okay? Going for a tanky build, that can deal a survivable amount of damage, obviously not going to be critting every hit, and crits wont be devastating or anything! weapons are H/M,S , soldier’s runes, and FGJ, SIO, and balanced stance…. not sure what healing skill i should use yet! looking for feedback! again, very new to warrior, please do not yell at me, or make too many sarcastic remarks… im switching to warrior from thief.. so very timid

I just don’t like your approach to this. You come right out of the gate with,

" 1st of all thiefs are the assassins of gw1 and assassins could use a off-hand sword,
if thiefs are not assassins they might be ninja’s which where off-hand sword fits even more"

Now There are a lot of problems with this statement. First of all, it is a run on sentence. You have two many ideas in it, and it has no structure. Secondly, My gw1 Assassin could not offhand a sword. He could wield daggers that were sword length, but no offhand sword sadly. Then you said if “thieves aren’t assassins they are ninjas”… Well no, a thief is a thief… not an assassin or a ninja, but in fact a thief. Finally you say offhand sword fits more on ninja, which again is sort of just made up. Seeing as how ninja would most commonly use a katana, which is wielded with both hands, or a pair of kusarigama.

I award you no points. I would have given you some points if you simply said, " Offhand sword looks pretty cool. We should try that"

WOOOO GO BP. I’m in BP too!!!!!!

I’m human thief too… I won’t argue that yours doesn’t, but I’ve definitely noticed mine doing it. Again, i don’t really care, i just prefer the way a ranger 1 skill on short bow looks, consistent. Understood they fir at a faster rate.

meh, while we are talking about it, i dont like how our shortbow isn’t consistent. Sometimes we shoot hunched, and sometimes upright, even when standing still. Not an issue or anything, just something that i dont find too aesthetic

Anybody ever see the episode of southpark with “sarcastiball?”

Malik.6781:

ryan.6217:

+1 to OP. Imagine a the post apolocalyptic future of gw2 where we all flee in fear from stealth hammer warriors!! You can’t even make a new warrior to fight them because they prevent leveling in wuv wuv!!! EVEN IF YOU JUST DO PVE TO MAX LEVEL YOU ONLY END UP JOINING THEIR RANKS AS STEALTH HAMMER… anyway as you huddle in the corner of the wuv wuv map on your elementalist… you hear them chanting his name, " Malik.6781"… he is god now. He sits a top a thrown of kneeling thieves and anet devs. None dare appose him, not even Scarlet.

Oh common, stop flaming, I didn’t ask for buff warriors, it was suggestion to make longbow even for every class.

Their longbows could do noting in the wake of Malik.6781’s reign. His backsmash stealth hammer was too powerful, and covered to agreat a distance using leap and lung skills. He will reign forever.

+1 to OP. Imagine a the post apolocalyptic future of gw2 where we all flee in fear from stealth hammer warriors!! You can’t even make a new warrior to fight them because they prevent leveling in wuv wuv!!! EVEN IF YOU JUST DO PVE TO MAX LEVEL YOU ONLY END UP JOINING THEIR RANKS AS STEALTH HAMMER… anyway as you huddle in the corner of the wuv wuv map on your elementalist… you hear them chanting his name, " Malik.6781"… he is god now. He sits a top a thrown of kneeling thieves and anet devs. None dare appose him, not even Scarlet.

oh these comments have all been pretty nice! Galsia, you’re right about the condis, but I’m sure the thief will also be working on getting rid of those. Oghier, true words. I don’t ever stealth out of a fight, so i didn’t take into the consideration that a thief stealths out when HE is about to die. Even though neither parties end up dying, the thief is just saving his kitten .

Swinsk doesn’t play d/d or p/d thief, and if he does play a thief at all he is playing d/p. so theres that.

Thanks for feedback though!

Isn’t it time we laid this one o rest, people? Here me out, non thief players that abuse this. IF a thief stealths and runs ooc… doesn’t that also mean YOU get ooc? If you are 1v1’ing a thief and he runs ooc, you both get reset. The game doesn’t pop the thief ooc, and say kitten yu to the other class. It’s not an advantage if both parties benefit.

Now let’s say you’re in a 4v4 and a thief bails to ooc. Well now his team members are down a player while he cowers some where else in stealth. Tell yu a little secret. A thief isn’t helping anyone if he is ooc away from his party watching them die.

Just getting this out there. Not in rage mode. Can enter rage mode if requested.

Another big problem i noticed while trying to kil the non noob players was that they could actually hit me while i was in stealth. WHAT? This might sound weird, but while i was in stealth, the guardian AND the warrior used cleaving attacks and managed to hit me before i could get out of my SR.

Probably glitch, will investigate further

SoLeciTO.3490:

Yasterday i was dueling with some members of VLK clan.

They have really good players.

To make it short i could not kill (or even close) a perma boon berserker armor Guard.
Also a condi mesmer
Also a s/s sb warrior.

I was running yishis p/d build ber-valk.

Honestly i could not find a way to even get close to kill them.

The guard killed every body but warrior than only won one time.

I do not consider myself a top thief but know how to play it decently.

This 3 profession when well played IMO are almost impossible to kill in 1v1 (as i saw them against other profession).

Is it just me that has the feeling that thief has been reduced to noob killer?

Yesterday i saw a roaming thief, engineer, and ranger, all three were up levels, and all 3 were invaders. i quickly dispatched this group using my thief techniqes… the had to die because they were uplevels and Aulmd (all up levels must die).

ANYWAY that same day, yesterday if you havent been keeping up, i saw a roaming group of 3 NON up levels, guardian, warrior, and mesmer. I quickly dispatched mesmer because AMMD (all mesmers must die) and was unable to actually kill the guardian andwarrior.

I was unable to kill them because they weren’t noobs! If they had been noobs though i wouldve been able to kill the whole lot

true story

am relevant

but if we kill scarlet now, how would she have been able to come back form the future to attack our time frame? I feel like this obvious issue has been discussed, but i dont hang out on the lore forums that much, and i cant see such an obvious paradox happening in gw2 without at least a little complaint.

kitten guys im gone for one second and you guys go right back to posting… yu know what? im gonna start my own post! and its gonna have black jack, and hookers!! … yu know what? forget the blackjack

aaawe i didn’t know this thread was going to continue, and with cool gifs none-the-less. i wish somebody had messaged me that i could still play!!!

I feed off your tears. I prefer tears flowing from the faces of my deceived opponents over enemies flowing from uncontested way points.

Sincerely, ThiefBot v2.0

P.S. Will also accept un-installing game over rage in place of your tears

Sanduskel.1850:

I am a thief, and there is no defense for perma stealth. It makes my class laughably easy and makes us universally hated. Just last night in map chat, it was universally agreed that perma stealth is opd as heck and annoying to boot. Don’t claim that perma stealthers can’t kill anyone, lol. I’ve played the spec and I could kill nearly all opponents. So mindlessly easy…

perma stealth is lame, getting nerfed out of existence on the 10th thankfully. I’m not supporting perma stealth, i’m saying stealth, as a mechanic, isn’t OP, and is counter-able

And we’re off!!!!

“you know iv’e never seen a video of a naked ele, or engie, or warrior killing people with ease” I have ^^ and shocker they too are abusing a cheap tactic, turns out all proffesions have access to a cheap build set! Who’da thunk it?!

Warrior in an equally skilled match against 5 other players will result in him dying, obviously. A thief would ALSO die in a fight against five EQUAL players. Just because he stealths doesnt make him invinsible. Nobody wins, also, if he runs away like a coward. This 5v1 wasn’t about equality, you changed your standpoint. you win in a 5v1 if you are BETTER, not EQUAL.

Again, drop the 5 skill beats ALL WARRIORS OMFG BLIND OP. warrior 5 on shield blocks thief attacks, and therefore is the same as a blind attack that negates warrior attacks. Thieves can also use blinding powder twice in a row before they are COMPLETELY OUT OF INITIATIVE. You think a warrior is going to die to blinding powder? again, no. he is going to die if he is dumb and doesnt know how to handle blind. a Thief will die if he is dumb and doesnt know how to handle blocks.

“the thief killing everything in spawn is a glitch, but how is bugging out and disabling that teams merchant for that map not OP? " Please leave this one out of here on your next wall of texts. Any one could have exploited that glitch. and there is a difference between OP and exploiting a glitch. A Ranger isnt OP if his pet heal glitches and heal fully heals under water when all his pets are dead, he’s just glitching. Doesn’t make his glitch op…it makes him glitching.

a thief running into the middle of a zerg and killing people and getting away its not the ability to do a lot of damage its their ability to get away without a scratch because stealth has no real counters.

After reading this i realized you don’t actually play thief, i figured you at least dabbled in one, but turns out you haven’t. Stealth having no counters is the most overused QQ used by people who don’t play thief. If a thief runs into the middle of a zerg and kills “people” implying more than one person.. that zerg is kittening dumb as kitten. I can hardly even address this comment because of how full of faults it is. If a zerg saw a player die in the middle of it, and didnt immediately think, " there must be a thief LETS ALL PRESS 1 AND KILL I" that’s their fault. Also people would notice a player dying in the middle of zerg if it was getting attacked by a thief, its not like the thief perma stealths while attacking, 3s revealed prevents that. So the whole zerg would have 3 seconds to hit the thief at least once, which would probably kill the kitten if he’s traited so high into zerk mode that he can kill a zergling before the zerg could stop him.

“the thief class is equally as golden as warriors.” approved. I dont think thief is OP, and i dont think warrior is OP. i just think you’re a bad.

Also don’t whine about DS. It does it’s intended purpose which is help control a fight when you are running out of options. The daggers are random, its not like we are aiming at you, and if you close distance on us we are kitten useless in DS. You can wail on us and we have to sit there like, “ope, i hope about 5 of my daggers hit this guy before he kills me.. maybe i should try spinning away from him”. Also if a thief DS’s into a zerg.. he’s dead. no question about it.

GG sir… well not really

Dagraan.2854:

so the vid of a thief harrassing a 30+ man zerg while killing and stomping people in the middle of the zerg and getting away easily is missing here, the video of a thief running around in the enemys spawn killing the merchants so they no longer work isn’t here.

the video of a thief perma stealthing mesmers in a keep or garri isn’t here.
the video of a naked thief killing people isn’t here.
the video of a thief spamming 2 and winning isn’t here.
the video of a thief not even trying in a 5v1 isn’t here.

the video of a necro tanking 4 people and 20 seconds of immobilize with just plague and death shroud isn’t here.

please tell me how a hammer warrior in pvt is OP? when you can easily counter him with stability.
or better yet, pistol 5 and stand there pressing 1 insta win against hammer warriors.

and you wish Anet gave you the nerf hammer every patch, then maybe you’ll have something to complain about when they constantly try to destroy 1 out of 2 viable builds, and put double Cd’s on everything if they miss.

I saw a few problems with the above listed videos and their credentials. Let’s get the easy ones out of the way. Naked thief killing people, is useless because there are numerous videos of other proffesions killing people naked. That’s not an op thing, that’s an “I’m good at the game thing, watch me win” thing. Video of a thief spamming 2 is useless because he played against crappy players, and used a crappy not op tactic. that’s a l2p issue if you’re dying to that. Finally, as far as just easy write offs, the necro video. Saw that one too. That video was meant to show OP immob, but instead it showed OP necro, remember? If it 1. takes 3 people to stack that much immob, and 2. DOESN’T WORK it’s not OP. Think that thief stacked all that immob by himself, you’re kitten wrong, sorry.

Now, as for “Video of a thief not even trying in a 5v1” those are a dime a dozen. Anybody can do that if they are good. I’ve won in 5v1’s and I’m not even that good. Unless you made the 5v1 thief video then I’m not sure if you are justified in saying he was “not trying”. Who know, maybe he was.

“The Video” Thief Perma stealthing mesmers in a keep or garri? This is just a bad one. Just the way you organized the sentence, really. Are you trying to tell me there is one video of one thief killing one mesmer in a garrison AND a keep? or are there multiple videos of multiple thieves killing multiple mesmers in multiple keeps and garri’s? No matter the case, this is a gain a dime a dozen case, I’ve seen the reverse of this too, where it is one mesmer killing infinite players by himself. The difference is I didn’t watch it and use it as a reason to kitten. I watched it and though, “Look at him go, knockin eri one off dat cliff.. what a kitten, good for him”

I see you also had the audacity to mention a thief standing in his AoE 5 skill and “insta” beating warriors. Sure, that can be true. If you are fighting a moron. If you’re a warrior and you decide to fight inside the blind filed, that’s your own kitten fault.

You say warrior hammer isn’t OP? absolutely right it isn’t. Easy to dodge, easy to kill. don’t come to the thief forums and talk about stability though, that’ll get you no where.

Dagger storm hitting everything on a 90s cooldown? Sorry if we have an elite skill that is elite.

Thief killing merchant in a spawn was a glitch, not OP

thief picking off tail ends of zergs? that is literally what a-net said they wanted us to do. I have a developer book that sates, “Thieves are meant to get in and get out quick, taking out high value targets and retreating to safety”

Feel free to get back to me in any way you know how.

Loading.4503:

i think you guys are just to use to the animation of CnD, when u start getting use to it, its actually pretty reliable imo because its so much faster, it almost feels instant , u just gotta be pretty up close to ur target that u might feel awkward >.>

I’m not “used” to anything. I’ve been p/d longer than d/d in this game. The speed is nice, but the hit arc is still a bit of an annoyance. I have trouble thinking a skill with a smaller hit arc. Even BS is longer reach. This skill is similar to freaking call of duty knifing it’s arc is so small, accept you get no additional lunge at your target. I wouldn’t say this is an actual issue, but it is a noticeable annoyance.

I too agree. it should have the same arc as a CnD right? I would take a slower strike of a less reliable one.

+1 lighter. i lol’d

i read the FAQ’s and was immediately deterred from entering.

“Can you add your own lyrics”, Yes: Well its a speed metal song and i can’t scream

“Can you edit the song”, Yes: Well I don’t have any editing software, so I guess I’ll just use the original

“Can you use footage that isn’t gw2 gameplay?”, Yes: And again i don’t have a $300 camera, so any footage outside of gw2 gameplay would look crappy

All in all its a pay to win scenerio. If you have the software and hardware to make a sweet looking video, you get a sweet looking guitar. If you have fraps and a dream, you’re S.O.O.L.

Yes, please for the love of god take away thief blind!!! I hate it when I’m fighting a thief who has 12k hp and has only one way of mitigating damage AND THE kittenER USES IT. HOW DARE HE?! IT’S NOT FAIR THAT HE USES ANY FORM OF SELF DEFENSE THAT MAKES ME WASTE 2 INITIATIVE… and oh wait I’m a thief. <3 blind. much keep. such wow.

I’d in support of a “right click to duel” nstead of making it so complicated, just right a player, scroll your cursor past “whisper” “guild invite” and what not, at bottom is " Invite to duel". Who cares where? PvE? sweet, awesome fight in the ruins of sparkfly. WvW? Cool, kitteny player getting on your nerves. show him up in front of everyone. sPvP? NO…no… that is not okay…no dueling in spvp. (just makes sense)

Any guilds recruiting for FotM? I’d be very interested! I have about 1.5k hours of gameplay, and im on lvl 29 fractals. its getting harder for me to pick up pug groups… i dont like not being able to communicate with people when a run isnt going smoothly! and id rather run with players i know, less frustrating and a better timein general!

also if your guild is into dungeon runs too im totally game for that! pm me any time or message me on the forums!

JonPeters.5630:

We are thinking about making it into two skills that both cost initiative so we can balance the while thing more easily. For example this would let us increase the stun duration.

This would be pretty cool! Being able to re-position yourself for the flurry, instead of locking for the whole thing. you have my vote

basilisk venom+pw+ hastex2= instadown

c: now continue thread with those classic fresh out of beta instant win builds.

Almost any necro and a well played engi. running dire/apoth p/d build… not much to be scared of… ooo aside form a well played s/d thieOHWAIT they’re getting nerfed

Kaizer.7135:

Link not working for me

It’s just a meme of the joker saying, " Thief gets nerfed after every patch, nobody bats an eye… Nerf warrior once and everyone loses their mind!"

Renny.6571:

So ironic that this is posted on the thief forum, lol.

Haha, I’m a thief. I USUALLY go to the warrior forums to escape all the BS thieves have to deal with. Lately though, the warrior forums just upset me because of how they are all, “ZOMG A NERF?!HOWDO?!”

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Hi warriors! I have a serious problem i was hoping you could assist me with. I come to the warrior forum for relaxation because everyone on the thief forum is QQ and i get tired of all the whining! Lately though the warrior forums have been full of QQ’s from everywhere!! Are there any profession forums left that aren’t suffering from symptoms such as constant whining, nerf suggestions from other classes, ‘20KHITON4KARMOR’ vids, and l2p’rs asking for wep bans? If you know of any sanctuary please suggest here.

don’t call stealth mainstream you freaking hipster. what even is that? “I use traps because stealth is too mainstream.” I get if you don’t want to not use stealth because it’s not fun for you, but don’t play something else just because you want to be a cool hipster. I don’t use stealth in my build because I’m sick of people using it as an excuse for me beating them. I don’t use it and i still kill people somehow, I’m sure it’s a glitch, but I’m sure a-net will fix it soon.

a character with emotions and a personality that isn’t just straight serious?! you mean like.. JUST LIKE IN REAL LIFE

oh also, i want the necromancer’s green dagger. GREEEN dagger.. the jade one is too ninja, and the minecraft one is too minecraft… that green snake head that grow a ghastly body when you draw it, followed by green haze effect… beautiful

Dempsey.8760:

I see 3 weapon sets open only to those willing to spend the money and 3 sets open to those only willing to spend the time, seems about right to me.

I don’t see how it’s a terrible problem though. Fire? Now fire being lazily thrown on too many weapons and armors in the early parts of the game was a problem. Maybe A-net is going through a blue transition phase and we will see some abstract weapons next.

Also I believe The list of green weapons are as follows
sylvari cultural
SAB Trib1
Jade Dragon weapons
Special Tequatl ascended weapons
And I believe a couple other stat specific ascended weapons.

You sir will never get enough credit for what you just said. Picasso is rolling over in his grave right now to hide his huge kitten for that statement

that’s true as well! I won’t lie i am not scared of most mesmers you guys are really slow… when i fight you guys i do tend to click my 2 skill a bit more. My apologies good sir!

EDIT: also i just found these torment runes like 2 days ago! i had know idea there was so much controversy about them!

Ricky.4706:

the cool downs and light armor are not in the mesmers favor – a thief can literally dodge conditions off with traits – it’s unbalanced. The mesmers chance is in being able to move fast to compensate this difference – and even then I’m forced to do a different build than my preferred greatsword build to afford that luxury of moving fast per clone in world.

damage and speed are my defense. nerfing that – you may as well strap me to a chair, slap me and say you won.

traveler runes cost over 50 gold …as a wvw’r I have to stop playing wvw to grind for them. so that’s another flaw. = thieves get a signet that’s insta speed. – then get to heal miles away while in stealth.

If you’re a mesmer I’m sure you’ll do fine with perplex getting nerfed a little man you can stack confusion even without op confusion stacks… also, what thief did you meet that could dodge off conditions? i want his name so i can get his secret