It is not true. P/P engi usually is played with FT , toolkit , elixir S. With tools you have a full block every 13.5 secs… it is all except squishy with rabid amulet. The real different from scrapper is that scrapper has much more regen and projectil defense. Rifle is less effective now than pistols . There is too much stability and too much project reflection for using rifle.
Ive played as power war\rev against Engi and P\P melts as ice cream in desert) i had more troubles with rifle Engi. Even scrappers aint so anoying.
P/P condi engi can kill scrappers … it is a fun fight … not easy but not impossible. the best remains reaper and condi warrior. Condi warrior is the best for me now
I wanna see how u kill scrapper with all his projectile reflects)
I am not saying it is simple , but you can win 1 vs 1 against a scrapper ( it is not simple and i am not saying that you will win always). I am saying that you can try to do and win. If instead you go with a p/p engi against a necro is much harder and if you go 1 vs 1 with a p/p engi against a warrior condi you can only lose ( only if he is the worst warrior of the planet he will lose ) .
The problem of p/p engi as of many other not elite specs is that against a Hot spec you can not stand on the point, you have to range him so you lose the point in any case and the fight is really hard .
Rifle instead for me it is really not viable , in any ways
P\P engi even before elite spec was squishy bcs you dont have any blocks\saves\escapes so i see why you lose. Rifle engi is decent atm i have HoT but i like to burst down ppl with Engi rifle from stealth.
In case you are still unsure. In PvP your gear has NO stats. 0. You get your stats from the amulet, rune set and sigils. Everybody has access to the same ones. The only thing you get from playing PvE, that goes over to PvP is armor/weapon skins. Skins have no stats (other than sex appeal/swag ).
But in pvp(HotM) you need wear ur armor\leggins\boots bcouse if you unequip them you will lose thougness.
P/P condi engi can kill scrappers … it is a fun fight … not easy but not impossible. the best remains reaper and condi warrior. Condi warrior is the best for me now
I wanna see how u kill scrapper with all his projectile reflects)
I’m failing to see how a reflected Bladetrail means the Warrior loses.
Where did you find something about war in my words?
P/P condi engi can kill scrappers … it is a fun fight … not easy but not impossible. the best remains reaper and condi warrior. Condi warrior is the best for me now
I wanna see how u kill scrapper with all his projectile reflects)
I remember the reason I stopped playing this game. I might do another break. Knowing anet they’ll buff condis, buff sustain, and nerf power. If this balance patch looks like that, I’m done.
Really, does anyone else feel the same about these rampant condi bunkers?
shield – cost more nrg, longer cd, root in place, but more defense with healing and protection. so overall the root is it main disadvantage
axe – pure offense with teleport and good dmg, no defense at all
sword – good dmg combine with good block. sync very well with main hand sword combo
so my choice for wvw is sword. for pvp depends if you more roaminng or group lay as if you root in place and your team dont come to help you good as dead.
combo with sword
use shiro and PT to be in melee range when you see attack coming block it with #4 dont immobilize yet rather use #5 to pull it especially if he is attacking you. now after the pull immobilize with #4 again and use #2 and #3 fast (prefer with ED for greater dmg)
this is the full combo.
you can drop using #4 if you see the enemy used his 2-3 dodges
w8 with #5 pull for longer skills activation or when the enemy just AA.
1) The opening of the match goes completely wrong
Solution: Better rewards for participation (Are these sufficient already?)
2) A player on their team that they have clashed with before
Solution: Allow blacklisting
3) They get called away in reality.
Solution: ?
4) They’re trying to lose
Solution: Harsher penalties
Most of the reasons I can think of that people AFK aren’t solved by harsher penalties.
Anything I’ve missed?
Nr2 with such things spvp will die bcs of dat blocklist.
Sorry, but it’s borderline ridiculous trying to play PvP against people with elite specializations when I don’t have them myself.
Why is this even a thing? I’ve heard arguments about WoW’s expansions also creating a power-gap, but those arguments are completely invalid. PvP in WoW was based on level. If I didn’t have the expansion pack, it didn’t matter because I was matched up with players of my own level, where it didn’t matter at all if either of us had the expansion or not. Even if I were max level, I wouldn’t be able to enter PvP with players that are a higher level than me.
GW2 is not WoW, and PvP consists of players all battling on an equal field – essentially, we are all level 80. I completely understand that Anet wants players to buy HoT, and I understand that they want a little power-gap to be in there somewhere. But I don’t need to be roflstomped every few seconds by a Daredevil or a Reaper just to be reminded that I need to buy HoT in order to properly compete.
Maybe I’m completely alone on this, and maybe I just suck at PvP, but is there anyone else that is of the same opinion as me?
Old Vanile necro, S\D Thief, Warrior GS\H, Ranger LB\GS they all can win against elite spec. So i dont think that ur problem is in elite specs. Btw how long do u play GW2 on ftp acc?
I’ve been playing Guild Wars since Guild Wars 1. How long have you been playing on a free account? That’s funny that you mention that those classes can beat elite specs, because those (with the exception of the necro) are the classes that I generally play with and I still lose. If an experienced player can get eradicated by elite specs, there’s a problem.
Its just problem of your skill nothing more. And if u cant\want get HoT its ur problem, bcs you have 2 options play as you playing now or buy HoT and stop QQ about especs.
The HoT specs are a straight upgrade from core specs, and for various reasons it is quite detrimental to the spvp side of the game to have a group of people playing without access to those specs.
Its sounds like you are getting every time with 4 more ppl without especs.
I don’t mean to be rude, but I don’t think English is your first language. I didn’t understand the last sentence at all. Could you rephrase it? Or I also speak German if, by chance, you speak that.
1. You’re wrong on so many aspects. I was playing Guild Wars before you were born, and therefore have a lot of experience with builds and how to adapt them to fit the circumstances. I have tried every possible build I could think of, including those of other people, and only a few have worked well enough to kill an elite spec and then die shortly thereafter.
2. Dailies sometimes require you to play certain classes in PvP…. classes that simply can’t compete with Elite Specs. Again, it’s incredibly dumb that Elite Specs have forced themselves into the PvP realm where I used to be able to compete, and now can’t.
If you want not to be rude dont look at grammar) And in Nr1 u are talking rude) but you care about are you rude or not lol. If you cant beat some1 with p\p or s\d thief some1 its only ur probs.
Long story short, ANet needs to give up on promoting PvP for F2P, given the release of elite specs.
I’ve discussed it before, but there is always going to be an advantage to having HoT. In a sensible situation where about half the classes used elite builds in their good builds (3 traitlines out of 6 used, random distribution), that still means that free players will be limited to half the classes/builds. Right now Elites are overtuned in comparison to their own core specs, but F2P will never be competitive unless Elite specs are nerfed PAST the point of equality (a bad result).
Or, they’re playing the long game.
Future elite specs are supposed to be balanced alongside the current ones, as that is the entire point of the elite spec system.
Using an elite spec was always going to be a mandatory option simply because mechanically, it wouldn’t make sense to be able to pair an individually good trait line with a limited elite specialization. The fact that core specs cna stack with Elite specs means that core specs simply can’t be on par with elite specs.
However, the entire design of elite specs is that thy’re build choices relative to one another. You can’t equip more than one at a time. once Anet releases a second spec for every class, HoT will also have moved to free to play, and the circle will be complete.
I’ve said this before, but Anet made a mistake releasing the elite spec system with only one option to choose, as the entire point of the system is that it has multiple, wildly different options that can only be so wildly different because they can’t stack with one another. That made elite specs a straight upgrade rather than a build choice, since all future balance is based on the assumption that everyone will be using one of multiple avaliable elite specs.
In stead, the should have released HoT with two specs to choose from, and perhaps the intent of the system would have been more clear. This will be the state of the game after the next expansion is released, and if they design the next specs to serve the purpose they set out to acheive with them, this will cease to be a problem for their F2P marketing.
The problem is their long game is failing right now.
Personally, my solution would be to allow HoT classes to be used by F2P’s in PvP ONLY.
Gets more people into competitive levels of PvP, and allows them to try before they buy-given how much my PvP play influences my PvE choices and preferences, I can see people experimenting with elite specs and then realising they really really want them.
So you suggest to give F2P players Revenant for free?)
I don’ t want to buy Hot and i want to play with people who didn’ t buy it.
Make a division only for us. At least the game would be fair.
@Galtrix.7369 you are not alone. Many players share the same thoughts of yours.
Me first
@serj
I don’t think you understand what the topic is about. We are talking about the inability for f2p players to be competitive in spvp (which is supposed to be all about competitive team based pvp). The point here isn’t that you can’t ‘do well’ on a core build, or that you can’t beat a HoT build on a core build. The point is that the elite specialisation are a straight upgrades of the base classes, and that there is indeed a gap between Hot and nonHot build. Meaning that the HoT owners have an advantage over f2p players, thus ruining the competitive aspect of spvp.
Back on topic, i agree on most of what op said and it’s definitely a good thing for spvp to let f2p players have access to elite spec.
I understand that topic is about QQ about why ppl should pay. First of all Anet model of Buy To Play is the greatest and it aproved it, second sPVP is just a little part of content and i dont see any reason why F2P acc = B2P acc bcs there should be some deference like in every mmo where ppl paying. Remember times when ppl even could play GW2 without buying it and now when ppl can play at F2P acc with some restrictions they want more without paying anything. GW2 isnt a MOBA game and Anet too need to pay solaries\game servers\rent etc. So i dont think that F2P acc should even QQ about smtng
So bad thinking.
You basically say you don’t want to open your game to a market of 180 millions players.
You prefer to keep your 20 millions possibilities and keep it that way.
Really bad business manager think like you.
Ok lets try to make from an car repair station, a fashion salon or even give some part of ur buisness for free OK. You are the greatest manager )
Sorry, but it’s borderline ridiculous trying to play PvP against people with elite specializations when I don’t have them myself.
Why is this even a thing? I’ve heard arguments about WoW’s expansions also creating a power-gap, but those arguments are completely invalid. PvP in WoW was based on level. If I didn’t have the expansion pack, it didn’t matter because I was matched up with players of my own level, where it didn’t matter at all if either of us had the expansion or not. Even if I were max level, I wouldn’t be able to enter PvP with players that are a higher level than me.
GW2 is not WoW, and PvP consists of players all battling on an equal field – essentially, we are all level 80. I completely understand that Anet wants players to buy HoT, and I understand that they want a little power-gap to be in there somewhere. But I don’t need to be roflstomped every few seconds by a Daredevil or a Reaper just to be reminded that I need to buy HoT in order to properly compete.
Maybe I’m completely alone on this, and maybe I just suck at PvP, but is there anyone else that is of the same opinion as me?
Old Vanile necro, S\D Thief, Warrior GS\H, Ranger LB\GS they all can win against elite spec. So i dont think that ur problem is in elite specs. Btw how long do u play GW2 on ftp acc?
I’ve been playing Guild Wars since Guild Wars 1. How long have you been playing on a free account? That’s funny that you mention that those classes can beat elite specs, because those (with the exception of the necro) are the classes that I generally play with and I still lose. If an experienced player can get eradicated by elite specs, there’s a problem.
Its just problem of your skill nothing more. And if u cant\want get HoT its ur problem, bcs you have 2 options play as you playing now or buy HoT and stop QQ about especs.
The HoT specs are a straight upgrade from core specs, and for various reasons it is quite detrimental to the spvp side of the game to have a group of people playing without access to those specs.
Its sounds like you are getting every time with 4 more ppl without especs.
It is not about QQ, is about making F2P player stay on the game and eventually spend money on it.
Right now they don’t even win money because players do not stay.
The actual business model is biased, making people pay to have access to sPvP hot content only for a little amount is even better than the actual situation.
You said that “Anet model of buy to play is the greatest and it aproved it”, so why did they make the game F2P in the first place ? Because no enough players are buying the game and they need to make more money from the shop with new players.
So all i m saying in this post is to help in this direction while keeping HOT on a buy to play model. But Anet need to attract more people ( and make them stay as long as possible ) to the game either way so making a competitive pvp mode for F2P will always be better than the actual situation money-wise.
If you don’t understand that, then i can only invite you to make some research on how F2P business model works and why it make so much more money than anything else right now.
PS : I m not entirely on a F2P account since i bought the original game when it was released. So i think i deserve the right to give my feedback on what the game has become without having someone saying i m whining about paying something.
They made F2P acc only bcs after those years from release they made an addon that ppl need to buy and even so ppl who got base version like you have some advantage over F2P accs. Do u really think dat ppl will pay just for elite specs? After such moves from Anet ppl will QQ about PVE and others things. I dont think that Anet has probs with money because many ppl bought HoT and even before HoT Anet survived and evolved just on B2P model) and every item in shop could be bought with gold.
Maybe if we all cross our fingers Shield #5 will get changed to a non-rooting ability. I did give Staff a try and I prefer Sword. I might try OH Sword though.
If we get nonroot #5 on shield it will be nerfed to the under ground lvl. So its better to keep it as it is.
@serj
I don’t think you understand what the topic is about. We are talking about the inability for f2p players to be competitive in spvp (which is supposed to be all about competitive team based pvp). The point here isn’t that you can’t ‘do well’ on a core build, or that you can’t beat a HoT build on a core build. The point is that the elite specialisation are a straight upgrades of the base classes, and that there is indeed a gap between Hot and nonHot build. Meaning that the HoT owners have an advantage over f2p players, thus ruining the competitive aspect of spvp.
Back on topic, i agree on most of what op said and it’s definitely a good thing for spvp to let f2p players have access to elite spec.
I understand that topic is about QQ about why ppl should pay. First of all Anet model of Buy To Play is the greatest and it aproved it, second sPVP is just a little part of content and i dont see any reason why F2P acc = B2P acc bcs there should be some deference like in every mmo where ppl paying. Remember times when ppl even could play GW2 without buying it and now when ppl can play at F2P acc with some restrictions they want more without paying anything. GW2 isnt a MOBA game and Anet too need to pay solaries\game servers\rent etc. So i dont think that F2P acc should even QQ about smtng
Sorry, but it’s borderline ridiculous trying to play PvP against people with elite specializations when I don’t have them myself.
Why is this even a thing? I’ve heard arguments about WoW’s expansions also creating a power-gap, but those arguments are completely invalid. PvP in WoW was based on level. If I didn’t have the expansion pack, it didn’t matter because I was matched up with players of my own level, where it didn’t matter at all if either of us had the expansion or not. Even if I were max level, I wouldn’t be able to enter PvP with players that are a higher level than me.
GW2 is not WoW, and PvP consists of players all battling on an equal field – essentially, we are all level 80. I completely understand that Anet wants players to buy HoT, and I understand that they want a little power-gap to be in there somewhere. But I don’t need to be roflstomped every few seconds by a Daredevil or a Reaper just to be reminded that I need to buy HoT in order to properly compete.
Maybe I’m completely alone on this, and maybe I just suck at PvP, but is there anyone else that is of the same opinion as me?
Old Vanile necro, S\D Thief, Warrior GS\H, Ranger LB\GS they all can win against elite spec. So i dont think that ur problem is in elite specs. Btw how long do u play GW2 on ftp acc?
I’ve been playing Guild Wars since Guild Wars 1. How long have you been playing on a free account? That’s funny that you mention that those classes can beat elite specs, because those (with the exception of the necro) are the classes that I generally play with and I still lose. If an experienced player can get eradicated by elite specs, there’s a problem.
Its just problem of your skill nothing more. And if u cant\want get HoT its ur problem, bcs you have 2 options play as you playing now or buy HoT and stop QQ about especs.
Rev dont need energy regen with autos just removing energy costs on weapon skill.
Agreed or if they want to do baby steps they should half the energy cost of all weapon skills and see how it affects game balance.
agreed. but i can see the outcome. more ppl spam utilities so they will add more cd to utilities. so nothing will change
Many of utilities already has good CD or high energy cost so atm you should make a choice what to use weapon skills or utilities so atm u cant make any combo like Absorb Pain+precision strike for exemple because it costs almost all ur energy and without it ull die (
35 +5 nrg is not all your nrg. nrg management is play with above the 50% and swap below to regain 50% . so if PS cost 0 they will probably raise the utilities nrg or add cd
And what skills you can use with 10 energy? We already have CD that are balanced its only question of energy. And if energy is smtng dat came with souls(legends) i think only those should use it then it will be easier manage it. And PS already has good CD just need some fixes.
I’ve been running this (just with cheaper food & utility) after boosting a Rev to see what the class is all about. Never been keen on root in place skills, and was wondering how well Staff would work here in place of Sword+ Shield.
Staff works well as an alternative. I prefer sword/shield because the sword autos, sword 2 and sword 3 do a ton of damage quickly. The shield 4 giving protection and regen is great. Shield 5 rooting is pretty bad, I don’t like that, but it has saved me in fights where I got pushed on and had no other way out. It seems like the Guardian’s Shelter if it rooted you in place and healed for less.
I liked staff, but I still prefer the sword/shield. I’ve even considered playing with sword/sword for the pull but offhand sword seems more like a condi weapon.
Sword offhand isn’t a condi weapon. It’s more of a control, power weapon. You’ve got a mobile block and an immobilize attack on 4. Then you have a Fury-giving, backwards shadowstep pull on 5, which needs some serious overhaul imo. Unless you consider immobilization and pulling a condi, there is no condi anywhere else on it.
I think I was mistaken with something else.. I thought it had torment on it. I might give the sword offhand another shot.
You were talking about sword while thinking of axe.
dont roam with rev no matter what the build, anet only want mes and thiefs to roam.
LoL Rev can roam and pretty good)
I wouldn’t say pretty good compared to the other two. It’s okay, but doesn’t shine at all in comparison to the other classes. How would I know? I main both Rev (Herald) and Thief currently, and used to main a Mes for awhile. Thief and Mes are miles ahead in being easier to roam with. Rev (Her) really only shines once you +1.
Ive tried roam with every character but with Rev\Ele\Engi it was much easier for me if compared to other classes. Its all just depends how you play, nothing more.
Sorry, but it’s borderline ridiculous trying to play PvP against people with elite specializations when I don’t have them myself.
Why is this even a thing? I’ve heard arguments about WoW’s expansions also creating a power-gap, but those arguments are completely invalid. PvP in WoW was based on level. If I didn’t have the expansion pack, it didn’t matter because I was matched up with players of my own level, where it didn’t matter at all if either of us had the expansion or not. Even if I were max level, I wouldn’t be able to enter PvP with players that are a higher level than me.
GW2 is not WoW, and PvP consists of players all battling on an equal field – essentially, we are all level 80. I completely understand that Anet wants players to buy HoT, and I understand that they want a little power-gap to be in there somewhere. But I don’t need to be roflstomped every few seconds by a Daredevil or a Reaper just to be reminded that I need to buy HoT in order to properly compete.
Maybe I’m completely alone on this, and maybe I just suck at PvP, but is there anyone else that is of the same opinion as me?
Old Vanile necro, S\D Thief, Warrior GS\H, Ranger LB\GS they all can win against elite spec. So i dont think that ur problem is in elite specs. Btw how long do u play GW2 on ftp acc?
Rev dont need energy regen with autos just removing energy costs on weapon skill.
Agreed or if they want to do baby steps they should half the energy cost of all weapon skills and see how it affects game balance.
agreed. but i can see the outcome. more ppl spam utilities so they will add more cd to utilities. so nothing will change
Many of utilities already has good CD or high energy cost so atm you should make a choice what to use weapon skills or utilities so atm u cant make any combo like Absorb Pain+precision strike for exemple because it costs almost all ur energy and without it ull die (
same as Nurfed.5346,new player who just bought expansion because interrested in revenant,but my question is this…any nice eu servers?havent found topic for it.
+1. Nice post Kroma I agree with you 100%. Your point about the power gap between “f2p” and HoT players being detrimental to building a competitive esports scene is spot on.
It also grieves me that I actually bought the game back when it launched a few years ago (basically just for the pvp), but even though I paid for the original game and have purchased from the cash shop I am in the same boat as a f2p player now in terms of spvp.
LoL 100$ the biggest price / 24 months = 4$ its the cheapest subscribe XD and its 4$ if u bought the top tier gamepack) so i dont see any trubles with paying another 50-100$ for a new content bcs many of us understand that Anet to wants to eat) and there is no huge gap between HoT and nonHoT builds its just matter of skill nothing more.
Class balance is very good actually at the moment, I’m only expecting minor tweaks here and there.
Only exception is DH/Guardian, which isn’t in a bad place either but it could use some more competitiveness. I’m also expecting some targeting improvements for revenants.
Ranked matchmaking on the other hand still needs a lot of work. The current matchmaking is the best one yet, but it’s not enough. It should distribute classes more evenly, and not drop 2 thieves in the same team as it does now. Or make 1 team include 4 necromancers.
LoL good old s\d Thief is looking at u from above)
You MUST be joking. Class balance is ATROCIOUS.
There’s only balance within HoT elite specs, but not in pvp. HoT builds have severely dumbed down this game. Yeah I’m bitter. PvP used to take some SKILL, now it’s just run your fingers across the keyboard and you get instant results. HoT builds are ridiculously powerful.
1 Necros stack well when they were OP thieves never stack well unless you outplay the opponent, 2 it’s the off season people tend to play more classes when there is no repercussion for losing, and you are playing in Unranked where skill is not the highest in most cases.
Necros were never OP. Anet stated that chill damage did not stack and non-damage-dealing chills were replacing damage dealing ones. That is why deadly chills were nerfed.
And thieves stacks incredibly well. Before season ended, i played in team with 3 p/p thieves. We ravaged enemy team like it was nothing (sapphire 2). People were dropping like flies. Can’t even compare with any class i have ever played.
Where did you pull that i plaid thief in unranked? Out of you kitten? With guardian i was able to reach sapphire 4, the day i started playing thief i reached sapphire 2. No skills or practice was required. If i had started playing it earlier, i would probably be in diamond 5 or 4.
2-3 Thieves in enemy team theres nothing more easier then that) and if they all are p\p its even easier) p\p thieves are dangerous only if they came from blind spot and burst u down and if not they are bursted down because of lacking escapes) And yeah some saphire 4 guy is teaching others what is OP XD such thieves are melted in Ruby 1 and all the way after it) even condi thief 3-3-3-3-3….3-3 build is more anoying then p\p thief, ive got probs only with skilled d\p thieves but they were easily beated by my condy rev)
BUt revenant overall is doing good in pve and pvp at endgame Or they allso worst atm because new class?
Its only depends from ur hands)
if class is garbage then i dont think even the wery best hands can save it Just getting litle worried here many people have told me allready revenant is buggy and kinda broken atm ):
Yeah yeah repeat it yourself every morning. Dont play Rev, Rev is bad and bugy and useless class so dont play Rev.
Just looking at traits I don’t believe Sword+Shield counts as dual-weilding. Maybe change that to Vicious Lacerations. Also you’ll probably get better mileage out of Swift Termination than Assassins Annihilation since you’re running Hammer.
Rev is good even with all those nerf from beta till today. Hes good in both pve and pvp. There is no lvlguides just complete hearts(quest) in location and storyline is ur easy 80 lvl.
Ventari stance should be reworked and its easy) Just delete 6 skill and make it a normal heal like other class heals and tablet is replaced by Rev so 7\8\9\0 would work as they are intended but center of skill would be Rev not tablet. In such case he will be like paladin with all those auras etc.
P.S. Sry for bad eng.
If we get SB for Pain Absorbtion then we get CD on it bcs of balance etc. First of all for what kind of game part TS is QQ? Im runing sPvP\WvWvW\PvE with Rev and i dont have big problems with CC just bcs in even in spvp if i get cought by 2-3 enemys i can easily get out of fight even if they try to chain CC me. And in WvWvW when u gank 1 passive+1 active SB is more then enough and if you get CC in mPVP raid vs raid then no SB will help you just bcs there will be more CC then 6 XD Flexibility is needed but not for Rev traits or skills but for players mind who main him.
P.S. Ive played him thru deva\retro\condi traits shiro\malyx s\s m\a and there was no probs to 1 vs 1-2 on ganks)
The more I read the more I get an idea that u didnt play Rev at all or played him for couple of hours. First at all if Neckro uses his stun breaker signet “say hi to conditions” Neckro is another class with his own mechanic and war\thief\ele to so there is a reason why 1 class is strong in 1 things and weak at anothers lets say it how balance goes. Why neckro players dont QQ about that the dont have a gap closers for 1200 units like Rev? because it would be to OP for their class. Mallyx not only give resist to you but to ur 4 mates to and it has 0 CD in compare to neckros signet.
You saying dat Rev doesnt has nay stun breakers without invoc trait line) lol have you read Retribution traits? there is 2 stunbreakers! 2 stun breakers! 2 man!)))
You saying dat others classes has 6 or close to it SB(stun breakers) but REv isnt other classes) other classes has a good range AoE potential but u dont complain about dat)
And yes after HoT not only Rev runs with elite spec(legend) but all other classes to so its normal) yeah there are some ppl who dont run elite specs\legends. I seen many Revs who running shiro\malyx or malyx\glint on sPvP even on WvWvW ive seen a guy whos build was shiro\mallyx and Im to runing Glint\Mallyx so there are a variety of exapmles) And yes i know dat 90% of ppl runs meta build but its so with every classes.
And man u dont neeed another 4-5 skills on every legends u already has 5 utilitys from every legend+5 skill from weapon and in total 5 weapon skills*2 + 5 legend skills*2=20 skills and Facet Of Nature if u got elite spec its +1 and 21 total skills) only Ele has more 25 skills and u wanna beat dat record? By another 10 skills above our 21 to get 31 skills?)
Ele has 3 trats dat can SB? I know just 1 trait. War has a stun breaker with 10 sec CD from Elite spec just deal with it.
Some classes has sustain, others sustained dmg, others burst, some1 is more mobile its MMORPG game here couldnt be dat 1 class would got all strong parts then we will would play “Revenants Wars 2” not GW2 ^^
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