Guild Wars 2

XP utility infusion for the win.

More skill points = more superior siege, or more skill points to convert into gold.

Made about 20 gold this past weekend off of skill points from WvW alone. Not as good as if I spent the whole time playing Trade Post PvP or PvE, but at least I got to do something I enjoy doing.

@Theftwind.8976:

I’ve only seen this happen accidentally, but leaving a zone during a world boss event beginning or ending during the time when the camera zooms in or out to boss mode has occasionally left my camera in Boss Mode in LA.

It stands to reason that someone might have found a way to get this to stick around in WvW as well. I’ve already emailed bug reports about it, but at least it doesn’t seem as deterministically abusable as the camera zoom persistence that the Mad King dugeon left everyone with, especially since you’re limited to world boss spawn timers to try to get it to glitch.

Irony.8056:

Bonus Fun fact #4. Unlike Kain or Dr, you guys got a crutch from Anet to move up. That fact alone makes you guys all angry everytime it is mentioned.

Kaineng and DR left their 50lb backpacks behind (22.6kg for those of you using the wrong system) when they went up a tier. We tried to carry those backpacks with us up and out of T7 and we kitten well almost did.

Then Uncle Anet told us we didn’t need to bring Kaineng and DR’s backpacks anymore.

Is removing a load we shouldn’t have had to carry all along really a crutch?

Jscull.2514:

The main point you mindless zergers seem to miss… Is just because Anet allows your mindless Zerg to win most fights because of the numbers you have (I.e 25 people fighting 5 people at a supply camp) doesn’t mean youre honing any skills. It means Anet has allowed you guys to win those fights. Has nothing to do with your organization or talent and everything to do with the fact that you have 20 more guys than the opposing camp defenders to mash #1.

While I do admit that organization and talent are underrated in WvW currently, have you seen all the skill lag threads in the higher tiers? It sounds like regardless of skill, you end up just trying to mash 1 and hoping that it actually works at all the higher you go. If you truly do value organization and talent as smaller groups, perhaps you should feel lucky that you’ll stay in T7 or drop down to T8.

Theftwind.8976:

Really, if you want or need lessons on how to solo an undefended camp I will gladly take donations for lessons!

Can you teach me how to carry 100 supply all by myself quickly and efficiently? I think you can teach me how to carry 5 more, but I’m afraid that’ll take a long time.

Elochai.1280:

If this is how it is everyday as FC and ET say, please move along SF. Go to tier 6.

Not before you guys say hello to T8

Waiting to welcome ET to T7 with open arms.

It’s PvDoor time, guys. Don’t need no-skill siege when we can practice this whole ‘dodging’ thing that I rarely see enemies doing.

See that Lava Font, guys? We’re only standing in it because it’s ours.

Ayusaki.6739:

2. To take down a server or infrastructure of any size, you need a few people, or at the very least a few computers on separate connections.

Not with Slowloris or DNS amplification. Single box on a residential connection can do it, but then it’s a DoS not a DDoS.

Entropy.4732:

Look, we… we might have rushed into things. We regret breaking up with you, GoM. You should move back in with us in T7.

No worries, we’re here to help. You’ll be reunited in T8 when Mid Bro comes up to their rightful place in T7

Your happy family will be back together in T8 when Little Bro comes up to join us in T7 as well!

obastable.5231:

btw, sf … how you liking your moa commanders? i like them just fine, especially when they run away.

I love seeing moa commanders run away — it shows they’re smart enough to turn around and press 5 to survive instead of sitting there and dying.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

LilMcGinley.3890:

T7 was not balanced. 80k difference between 1st and 3rd? Only T3 had a larger difference…

That’s a direct result of last weekend’s free transfers. Look back at the 2 months previous.

Sure, but what this means is that whatever claims you had to having a ‘balanced matchup’ went out the window when the window for free transfers opened. So did our claim to being able to crawl up in ratings points week after week.

Kick some kitten guys!

Like I said in last week’s thread, it’s up to you guys now to prove to ANet that ratings numbers were the only thing holding us down in T8. Hope to see you guys in T7 real soon!

pixieish.9627:

I agree! If someone can’t bribe an entire WvW guild to transfer to their server or just hop to a winning server instead, they clearly don’t deserve that one little point of interest that really has nothing to do with WvW whatsoever.

Exactly, actually.

Nobody deserves any of the point of interests. None.

If your server can’t earn that point of interest, then work on other parts of your legendary. If you’re done with all the other parts, figure out whether the benefit of transferring to a server (and perhaps back, but most carebears don’t care about WvW, so they don’t need to transfer back) with control of that PoI is worth the cost. If so, go for it. If not, wait till some bandwagon moves around.

Implying that anyone deserves full unfettered access to content when players have the ability to stop you is misguided to the highest degree.

airstu.2579:

silverfire.2547:

airstu.2579:

DR and Kain actually got out of T8 on their own merits.

I heard Fox News was hiring!

Last time I checked, they are no longer in T8. And if my knowledge of calendars is correct, they got out before today. So, yes, they got out on their own merits.

Oh I guess I must have read the forums completely incorrectly those past few months. NEO Alliance and War Machine must have already been on Kaineng in the months before they started moving up the ranks. Thanks for clarifying that for me!

ET and FC:

I hope you give your new neighbors as rough a welcome as possible when they arrive. It’s up to you guys to prove to ANet that the only thing keeping us down in the Glicko Ghetto was ratings numbers, and I’m looking forward to revisiting this matchup with you guys in T7.

airstu.2579:

DR and Kain actually got out of T8 on their own merits.

I heard Fox News was hiring!

airstu.2579:

T8 may be ossified, I think we can agree upon that. 2 points need addressing though:
1. T7 was the most balanced and new match-up in all of WvW and I think its safe to say, every server in the matchup was experiencing a revitalization of the WvW community.
2. You changed the game and didn’t let anyone know until it was too late. You want spiced up wvw? Give t7 one weeks notice that SF is taking the loser’s spot and stand back and watch the fireworks.

1. Not anymore with transfers shifting things around (see point #2)
2. Same thing happened with free transfers last week. All we got in terms of warning was Hey guys, people are free to mess with the ratings gains everyone’s been working so hard towards for the last month starting tomorrow. Enjoy!

“Because SF, while very normally very active in WvW, is notorious for jumping head-first into new events as they’re released. So between the new Wintersday content and the holiday break, our maps were a ghost town for much of the week and our scoring was kitten.”

Sound familiar?

It’s how SF got the ball rolling on the decline to T8.

+1

As a side note, mesmers: if you were displaying a title to begin with, you’re giving your enemies yet another bug to exploit to find the real you.

wyther.8372:

So many transfers we now have queues.

I wouldn’t pin all your blame on transfers just yet — the patch renewed or created interest in WvW for a lot of carebears. I’d be willing to believe it’s a bigger effect than a weekly reset; everyone wants to see what this ‘massive WvW patch’ is all about, including a ton of people who were bitten hard by culling in the past.

insanemaniac.2456:

makes face at SF
nyah!

ColinJohanson.2394:

For the next week, all the medium population servers will be free to transfer to. Might be worth giving one of them a look!

I’m not entirely worried. Once again they’re doing the utterly stupid thing of basing transfer prices around total server population with zero consideration of 95th percentile WvW population to total population ratio.

Jeknar.6184:

LOOT THE GARRISON AND BUILD MOAR GOLEMS!

Don’t forget the part where I get to use the same two catapults put down from 3 hours prior to retake garrison or Quentin Lake a 3rd time during skeleton shift :V

Or the part where my arrow cart inside that garrison is still there after it changes hands 3 times.

They’re in WvW (noun). They’re not WvWing (verb).

All they’re doing is PvE in another map.

Saying that they’re playing WvW by avoiding contact with any enemies runs counter to everything that it actually is.

Forcing them to achieve X number of kills with zero regard for badge drops would be far more favorable in terms of forcing PvE players to actually play WvW (verb).

Vena.8436:

Exploration + Gift of War(sic).

• Run past everyone and never activate a single combat skill. Try again when killed. Post whine thread when that still fails.
• Spam EB asking if there’s a mesmer in the jump puzzle while your team is holding attacks on seven fronts. Post their second whine thread in three hours when they get killed in the puzzle.

Tell me I’m wrong. Try it.

What if commanders’ public chat suppression thresholds were given a base increase with additional scaling based on squad size?

That way they’d get (completely arbitrary example:) three more allowed lines of text per 15 second window, with an additional one added to their threshold per ten squad members. Obviously someone needs to do their due diligence in figuring out the right numbers in backend code, but ultimately if bots begin to exploit public chat limits being increased in order to do more botty things, commanders are a far smaller subset of the player base that it’s easier to track down.

Kay.5416:

Also, man I wish we had land sharks. … Do we have land sharks?

Given how useless water sharks have been at finding me in a freshly captured Bay keep on borderlands, I’d wager it’s a good thing that land sharks don’t exist.

insanemaniac.2456:

et’s nitecrew stalled out today :O

Funny thing is that if the rest of the world realized America is indeed the center of the universe, daylight savings time wouldn’t have trimmed an hour off our nighttime coverage gap :P

Oddgo.5423:

Those are often dull and one-sided, given that one combatant is only looking to get away and try to finish the puzzle, and the other is looking to just kill them for badges. Boring, boring, boring.

Only boring from a carebear perspective. Killing someone no matter how lopsided the odds are in each direction is still fun. The whole reason why people bother with PvPin the jump puzzle is the intentionally ambiguous that you might have just ruined someone’s day.

Making whine threads or staying dead for more than the time it takes to find a waypoint takes out all that ambiguity and serves to feed trolls.

Downed state #3 summons a clone that casts Heartseeker once per 3 or so seconds.

If it did 6k to you, then it either crit from a glass cannon build, or you were low health.

If you stuck around long enough to get hit by a mesmer downed3, then either you didn’t wait for the second mesmer to appear after downed2 to stomp and stomped the clone giving them ample opportunity to cast downed3, or the green upscaled players in your zerg aren’t doing their job of finishing downed people off properly.

It’s also hilarious seeing thieves complain about mesmer downed3 in this thread, by the way. The same spell that you whine about is the same spell that you get to cast with essentially no cooldown or initial cast time lock as long as you have enough initiative.

Yet another thread where carebears want the entire WvW community to bend to their will. I hope you feel the cause is worth giving all of us an excuse to laugh at yet another member of the entitlement generation.

CreativeAnarchy.6324:

Who the hell wants to play when they get outmanned on every single map just because the stupid system put them into a matchup that their server cannot hope to even match the numbers of even just one of the servers they are playing against, especially if they got taken out of a match that was quite balanced.

I hope you’re not implying that this doesn’t already happen.

During US East primetime, FC has across all four maps about half what SF has in EB. ET has about 2/3 to 3/4 from what I’ve seen during those time periods, but it seems both servers’ heads hit the pillow when 9PM US West rolls around while our west coast crew is still alive and kicking for another 3-5 hours.

Yamato Shinobi.4378:

For example, if a server is totally dominating(like 80% positions held), have a chance to kick off a Dragon Event. The Dragon will attack a tower/keep of the dominating server. The dominating server needs to protect its position until the dragon can be defeated. Other servers can also join in to fight the dragon. Something like this would throw the chips in the air and provide something different.

Not again with this PvE tigerkitten… Multiple threads have had similar ideas come up and only a small handful people ever want to see PvE content of this magnitude in WvW. The temporary, fleeting, and in no way sticky at all population impact would generate queues for as long as the event exists, and disappear just as quickly. The whole overflow+guesting situation in PvE comes to mind fairly clearly.

Whoops I see where that title would have been misleading — fixed now.

That said, if they swapped out one of the gifts of battle with something from the gem store, I’m sure they’d still keep printing money with those backpack skins.

Purchasable with two Gifts of Battle, an Omega Golem print, and 10 red meat.

How many WvWers would get one in a heartbeat?

The quaggan was unique, the charr is cute, and their variations are nice as well, but a WvW-centric one would be awesome.

Using a 1v1 map as an overflow for randomly assigning people as an option for queue wait [Queue for Eternal Battlegrounds? (Yes | No | Warmup)] actually sounds like a decent idea. You get to kill people and avoid that whole PvE thing and makes that queue time pass a lot faster.

Ungood.3054:

Actually, it just hit over 650 today, and I never had to camp the jump puzzle for any of them, but thanks for asking.

There’s actually a pretty big difference between camping the puzzle and portaling people.

Only one of those two options involves losing one of your utility skills to constantly being on cooldown.

Wanderer.3248:

Seems that winning is more important to SF than playing.

Let’s be honest, it’s not specifically winning that we’re going for here. We’re already winning, anyway.

If tier 8 were competitive, you wouldn’t see weeks upon weeks of new whine threads created by all 3 sides about the matchup balance. As it stands, it’s not like the floodgates are going to magically burst open with hundreds of primetime players transferring to FC and ET.

Would it balance the matchup? Sure it would. Is it something anyone could expect to happen? Absolutely not.

If SF got a decent Asian/Oceaniac presence, would it balance the matchup? Certainly not. We’d win by a bigger margin. But at least ET’s ever-growing night crew won’t have to beat down doors on undefended towers all day, and it’d probably go a long way in getting us out of T8.

It won’t balance T8 even in the long run since whomever drops from T7 to take our place is still going to be overqualified for T8 by miles, but the change in scenery for the burnt out players hiding in PvE on all 3 sides might come out again. Who knows, if it happens, maybe it’ll be ET’s turn this time to stomp on the new server for exactly one week they’re in T8 before domination begins anew.

The healthiest thing is still for ET and FC to get a decent daytime crew at the same time that SF and FC get a decent nighttime crew, but getting us out of T8 and giving all 3 sides in T8 a fresh matchup is at least a much-needed breather.

ErlendR.6107:

Try 6,7,8,9,0 = Q,E,R,T,C
Im sure you will get an awesome match in T8 if SF go to T7 . Glicko doesnt work in T8.

I personally use:
Dodge=Mouse5
6=Mouse4
7=Q
8=E
9=R
0=Shift+R (popping such a long cooldown spell should rightfully require more deliberation)

I wish I had a better solution for relocating my F1-F4, but WASD is so ingrained in my mind from years of FPS gaming that switching to ESDF for an extra column of functionality would require an inordinate amount of time to get used to.

Hey, fellow T8 player from SF here. What I’ve found to work with regard to leading without the Cool Ranch Dorito above your head is to take a couple weeks of being vocal (but not disruptive or indignant) in team or map chat. On top of that, taking your time to periodically update commanders who are online with enemy movements, vulnerable defenses, potential hotspots, and other important scouting info will help you develop a better working relationship with your community. With time, the WvW regulars will come to value your name and leadership. With that sort of valued role comes their trust, and it only takes a group of 8-10 core regulars going about for others who don’t play WvW often to tag along.

Once you’ve built that reputation to a certain point, you’ll have no trouble asking for volunteers to get a small to medium-sized group for larger objectives. Past small to medium sized groups, especially in this tier, cohesion is kind of a wash. Sure, you might have 20-30 people following you, but they’ll seldom actually listen to important instructions like ’don’t autoattack the door’ or ‘food buff on me.’

TL;DR: start being a vocal participant in map/team chat and provide useful information. Build a reputation and people will follow.

I frequently use a full set of greens with 4 major runes + 2x major divinity for “tryout” gear for new builds. Doesn’t come quite close to the hitting power of full exotics, but being able to test the build in the environment it’s intended for at a fraction of the cost is immeasurably valuable. I know trying stuff out in PvP is technically free, but the number of possible stat combinations is hilariously low with the amulet+jewel system.

I’m disappointed to see someone on our server do something like this. I only regret I wasn’t around to help try to figure out who did that. Spent all of yesterday doing that whole ‘PvE’ thing that’s supposed to fix the ’I’m broke because of Charged Lodestones’ problem.

I’ll definitely keep my eyes peeled though. It sounds like the new melee vs static objects “fixes” introduced some new “features” if you excuse the programming lingo

Had fun portaling 10 people into SM inner after ET held it for an hour. FC made the breach for us though. Total of 11 ETs of various tags walked right by me while sweeping.

Also nice try on portaling 2 badly hurt omega golems and 2 people in. Omegas are horrendous at killing castle lords though. (Not that you guys even reached there).

Wish I had screenshots or video, but the adrenaline was pumping too hard from practically stealing SM. By the way, thanks a ton for giving me the opportunity to sneak in, Fergs.

SniffyCube.6107:

We have a small window of 2-3 hours where we can make the map blue before the majority of your players get back and swarms us.

Oh I know — I’m just hoping some nice transfers can help us cover that gap so I don’t lose sleep worrying about what’ll happen in a higher tier.

In all honesty though, if anyone deserves a boost in numbers it’s FC — their daytime numbers are barely higher than ET’s, but they have a worse night crew than even we do.

Sure, but as long as you’re mentioning odds, I figured it was worth pointing out that gap in coverage. The tables are completely turned during that time of day.

On the other hand, if you’re in Australia or Asia, SF is still a decent choice — calling our night crew a skeleton crew would be offensive to the servers that actually field enough people around those times to call it a skeleton crew.

SniffyCube.6107:

Kwbh saw it was a little too green

You mean gray, right? Got to kill a lot of you guys tonight

katz.8376:

i take it you missed my screenshot in the other thread…here. i’ll share it again: http://i.imgur.com/waLBT95.jpg

fair enough, when your organized people started logging in at around 2:30 PST you started using siege and took back your keep and whatnot, but all in all, color me “not impressed”

Look familiar?

katz.8376:

fair enough, when your organized people started logging in at around 12:30 EST you started using siege and took back your keep and whatnot, but all in all, color me “not impressed”

Taking everything while the other team is asleep isn’t impressive. Not for us, and not for anyone. You guys going to bed when middle schoolers go to bed means we need to work harder to paint the town green while you guys are still awake so we don’t get accused of “night capping” even though it’s still primetime on the same continent.

Ungood.3054:

This made me smile, because, there is a good chance, that the commander was not planning to take it at that time and just move past it to a supply camp, and what you got was a few confused players who could not quite figure out how to just run past something without attacking it, that would explain the lack of siege.

I was there.

I think three flame rams count as seriously trying to take it.

Let’s just say that it’s a good thing between shatters, blinks, and everything in between, shatter mesmer builds do more damage to rams from the safe side of a door than catapults do.

insanemaniac.2456:

this week is gonna cost you a month at least

Not really. The increase in our opponents’ rating will make it so we don’t have to win by as big a margin as we needed this week (and didn’t get) in order to earn points.

I’m more interested in finding out whether those of us who have never transferred servers would be rewarded for never having bandwagoned.