Guild Wars 2

Great episode as always, Ogre!

About the Orbageddon topic which is going on here.
How about a thread with a simple request:
“Give us the opportunity to turn off the buff!”. no more no less.

A number of small steps could also in the end lead to success and maybe we first have to do this tiny step to get our awesome GvG community supported.

Don’t do the mistake and mention GvGs with any word.

Elcron.1208:

Whats up with this week? Are no guilds confirming GvGs on the website or are matchups just that bad?

It’s more likely that many guilds don’t announce their GvGs on gw2gvg.com because of too many viewers which would cause queues. Another reasons are viewers who just come by to interfere a GvGs.

Or it’s just the glicko system which kittened up the matchups for other guilds. :P

suprNovae.5410:

Many people been saying GD cares so much about the rating, they say we actively dodge the VII GvG. Thats not true, our decisions were always reasonable,
but to prove our words with actions,
we decided to give VII a free win on the GW2GvG.com site. This should show you how much we care about the ratings. You may now say something like:
Hey GD, if you dont care about ratings, why you just dont go for the fight, no matter what you have? I wanna answer this with:
We have something like a GvG squad. And whenever we fight in an official GvG we gonna come up with the crew that gave us that high ranking, that made us this good.
You want to fight us for the challenge to fight 1 of the top 3 guilds, so its no point to disappoint you with some rallybots that joined the guild a second ago.
I gonna post a picture of the 1-0 below. Its up to VII to accept it or wait until we have the numbers and right people for it.
http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3365/fzt9sl8m_png.htm

Sincerely
Good Old Days [GD]

Just changed the link. Let’s leave it at that.

Many people been saying GD cares so much about the rating, they say we actively dodge the VII GvG. Thats not true, our decisions were always reasonable,
but to prove our words with actions,
we decided to give VII a free win on the GW2GvG.com site. This should show you how much we care about the ratings. You may now say something like:
Hey GD, if you dont care about ratings, why you just dont go for the fight, no matter what you have? I wanna answer this with:
We have something like a GvG squad. And whenever we fight in an official GvG we gonna come up with the crew that gave us that high ranking, that made us this good.
You want to fight us for the challenge to fight 1 of the top 3 guilds, so its no point to disappoint you with some rallybots that joined the guild a second ago.
I gonna post a picture of the 1-0 below. Its up to VII to accept it or wait until we have the numbers and right people for it.
http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3365/fzt9sl8m_png.htm

Sincerely
Good Old Days [GD]

Phoebe Poison.4875:

yiishing.9057:

I don’t believe this ranking shows anything. I agree that a leaderboard creates competetion and sets up a goal for guilds/players to climb ranks, but the GvG system in its current state is not really comparable. I actually hope guilds don’t take this to seriously and start playing GvG the way they were intended. Have good fights with even numbers, nothing more. We see guilds refusing GvGs, because they don’t want to lose rank points and hurt their reputation and that gets in the way of the actual GvG spirit. When this ladder starts making things complicated and constrain fights, it’s something to worry about, at least in my opinion.
Also, many guilds see GvGs as a one time thing. They fought Guild X once, end of story. I don’t know why so many guilds have problems with fighting the same opponent more than once. Thats the point were you actually can improve, and see and feel that improvement too. Hopefully we can put that mentality behind us and move on to a more competetive, but also fight oriented environment..

Sup. So how about GD stopping refusing to GvG us for… let me count… 3rd time? Just asking, y’know.

edit: DAMMIT Jel, ninja’d :/

How about you stop talking bullkitten?

1st time we talked to your leader we didn’t refused to GvG you guys. I suggested we could do one but never ever accepted a challenge actually. It wasn’t our fault that you took holidays just for a GvG which wasn’t even clear that it will take place at all.

2nd time we met we just could GvG on a Wednesday and you just on a Thursday and said we don’t have to force anything and just let it be.

Today was the first time actually we refused a GvG against VII and we will refuse any other GvG invitation for this week and probably the upcoming weeks as well.
We are recruiting atm to get back in action again but there is no point fighting a guild while many core members are mia.

Wompage.4586:

I have to ask…
We’ve seen GD in action this week against multiple guilds.
We’ve seen VotF in action this week, against multiple guilds.

WHY NO VOTF VS GD?

Unfortunate coincidences. :P
We already planned a few GvGs.
VoTF already planned a few GvGs.
VoTF lacked on core members on thursday.
kitten happens. Simple as that.

At least we had some scrims against VoTF to get back into GvG routine since a month.

Amelia Knox.9362:

Long shift today in Ag border, Full of guild Votf,GD,News,Dr.
Played way too much, Lots of fun even if pretty hard, holding aganist so many from so many side, i think the gvg at the end helped a bit to counter the pressure.

Do News and Dr do gvg, in any case let me know?

Hope you had fun too, see you tommorrow
Start makeing the video about the Vfto Vs GD Gvg we want to watch, Fast fast

Just to clear up things. We organized some short-termed scrim fights and took the chance to have good fights with equal numbers. Nothing official. We had quite a good roster and the sufficient manpower today since a week. Hope we can keep our current numbers up to have a few good GvG this week.

@MartyPartys.9187
is the new placement of Man Eaters [Lion] a part of your “interesting shifting”?
Just kidding. :P

MartyPartys.9187:

Done with reworking the rating system and leaderboards. I ran all the matches up till now (ordered by date) through the system, both the rating system and leaderboard are alot more accurate now and I can say there’s some interesting shifting!

This will also be in for the new website, can’t wait to show it to you guys.

When can we expect to see the new changes?

@Romek.4201 Obviously you have no clue what is going on in a GvG. Go run a bot chain and try to GvG a guild. There is no point to discuss it with you. You were a kittenty commander on Elona and don’t even knew how to lead in combat. So it’s a debatable point whether you even know what is really going on in a fight between 2 guilds.

@all sPvP guys Stop starting a discussion about GW2 GvG at a complete wrong point.
It is GW2 and not GW1. I had much better clan fights in Counter Strike 1.6! So what?! It’s another game… so Gw1 is.

to the point wheter GW2 GvG is competetive or not…imho I see much more competetive guilds in WvW than in sPvP.

Malcastus.6240:

You can rent an arena and make a 10 vs 10 match?

Unfortunately it’s about a bigger scaled fights. 20 vs 20 or at least 15 vs 15 Arenas would be awesome.

History repeats itself on SFR. Over and over again…
When will kick Seafarer’s Rest 3.0 off? Or is it SFR 4.0 already? I’ve lost track of it. :P

Just kidding. I shouldn’t make fun of your situation. I honestly think you should get matched with Vizunah 8 weeks in a row to get rid of the wtj. :P

never play on a patch day, right? hmmm…seems like you can’t even play on the day before the patch day. :/

I take my hat off to Anet.
good afternoon, good evening, and good night!

Yes, please.
/15char

DevonCarver.5370:

Are the orbs coming back? No. Are we bringing back the buff? Yes, although the way you get it and hold it is going to be drastically different. Are you going to see a major map change in concert with this? Yes. Is it coming soon? Most definitely.

DevonCarver.5370:

Also, the orb mechanic is coming back.

I’m a bit confused :S Orbs itself won’t come back right?

woooow woooow wow! could our opponents please stop blobbing?! Massive trains coming from everywhere! Hope you get matched with SFR and Vizunah. That is unplayable. the lag, the fps drops… srsly…

oh wait… this time a rank 3 server got matched with rank 13 and 16 server.

An hoorah for this awesome matchup and Anet’s matchmaking system \._./

So let’s do daily GvGs!

Good Old Days[GD] is looking for 20vs20
best of 7+ or the whole night.
timezone gmt +2

Just /w or mail me ingame.

best regards hf and gl

Dominik.5162:

Imacop.6409:

Dominik.5162:

yeah that’s true.
good situation for you GD guys :P

Now they can get all 23 in BG fast .

“23”^^

sigh

Dominik.5162:

Dayra’s trolling around just cause his/her server is failing <3

Though a win win situation!
There’s no queue on eb at 7pm gmt+2. I couldn’t love this server more than I do now.

How’s the heal from sigil of renewal?

0:35 you don’t see any red aoe fields.
1:04 where is our water field? You just can guess where the water field is.
1:55 you can clearly see that the zerg is wiped and all animations from the whole fight come at once

Caliban.3176:

PredatoR.5247:

agg has siezed #1 NA wooooppiieeee

Congrats, you’re now the best of the worst!

Oh cmon… They deserve credit. I watched their GvG this morning (yes I’m a zombie) and that is what I call a come back! They were 3-0 down in a bo7 and still managed to win the GvG. Most guilds would give up at this point but they adapt really fast or at least at the right moment. Respect!
I’m curious how Ogre will include this in his episode but I’m sure it will be great.

Btw Ogre, have you already thought about making an episode every friday or when can we expect another episode this time? :P

In WvW the effect culling is awful. You can’t see wall of wardings, guardian sanctuaries, static fields etc.
this game feels like a half baken potatoe. :/

Holm.7058:

This is what I’ve learned from GD:

It’s okay for GD to run 50man guild blob but its lame zD doesnt tell 5 pugs to go to hell.

Because GD won a gvg they are certain to win every fight against zD in WvW, and by having 5 pugs zD has overcome this certainty.

If zadrots wipes you constantly without any effort from their site the best thing to do is qq on the forums about blobbing

It’s not okay for zD person to put commander tag on and do pug leading. He must only play with his guild and should sacrifice every pug to balthazar

I think GD should learn from Irae. Raiding without +40 and behaving on forums.

It’s ok son. I already apologized for my (nobody else from GD was complaining) childish reaction on forum.
Hanarui.4759[ZDs] already has said it very clear. It’s our own problem which we have to deal with. Everything is fine. luv you all

Monkeymonger.9235:

And of course GD. It was a shame we couldn’t really touch you tonight. Still, we tried our best. Thanks for the fair fights and not backstabbing us. Hope to see you again!

lul…. “couldn’t really touch”? We had really close fights against you. One mistake and we could get wiped in a sec. I just say… "Watch out for dem Necro wells! ":P
We really appreciate that you are not interfering in any of our fights against other guilds/zergs.
There are just a very few guilds left who still think the same way like you.
hf&gl on Piken. Hope to GvG you one time in another matchup.

Hanarui.4759:

So much GD kitten here. Why shouldn’t people run with pugs or blob? Because GD says so?

This is a 24/7 open world PvP where people should run what they think works better. All those honorable stuff don’t worth anything. If you run with small number – that’s your problem, you don’t cap at night/morning – that’s your problem, you don’t build arrow carts – that’s your problem, you never run with a tag – that’s your problem, if you get bombed in a second – that’s your problem too.

And last: You made some strange rules for yourself – don’t be surprised that other people won’t follow them.

You are 100% right. Nothing must be added. (no sarcasm)

hf&gl Menelya! This could be an interesting week. Hope to get the chance fighting you!

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

So you tell a russian raid your size cant wipe you? Come on get real. We respect you you are good but you can be beaten most of times when CoN play vs you we are 25-30 vs 40 -40+ and it is harder for us you have the upper hand. But in equal numbers you give good fights so come on dont trash talk on our Russian army they are just good. Maybe you will GvG soon again…to settle it?

I don’t mind to get wiped if our opponent has played better (which was often the case).
I just complain about guilds who can easily run on their own and still run with commander tag or don’t mind if there are pugs following them.

I respect ZDs/ZBs and CoN. They are awesome guilds which gave us really good fights in the past. And with fights I mean fights which last for minutes.
It’s just a disgrace if a guild don’t even try to provide an even fight.
You guys from ZDs and CoN should know that we hate to outman good guilds.
We asked you for quick fun fights with even numbers when we saw you are 5+ less than us. Both refused.

Nevertheless there’s no point to carry on this discussion about blobbing. It’s a never ending story which I would like to prevent even though I have started it.

@Aikanaro.2609 don’t make the big mistake and accuse a guild of blobbing which is just defending or trying to get their sector back and post video from that. I am talking about the open field fights.

Holm.7058:

I already saw them wiping you yesterday without extra pugs (well besides me asking to tag along them). Then their raidleader took commander tag on and gathered a few extra what’s the problem? Both you and sparta left the map because they were wiping you (with max 5 pugs) and you complain that they follow for more fights? Jeez. I know they’re strong but no reason to qq on forums about it. Find them and fight them, learn!

Yesterday almost same story. It was a kittening holocaust against them. You couldn’t do any kitten against them. Srsly…think about the times ZDs/ZBs wiped us. How many seconds did it take? 1? 2?

I don’t want to sound arrogant but if you melt us in a second you should check how many you are + pugs. ZDs/ZBs knows that we can give them hard and long fights since our GvG against them. Though they are running partially with tag to pick up even more pugs.
Yea…so much to learn.

We won’t build any sieges to turn an open field fight to our advantage.
We will never run with a tag.
We will keep telling the pugs to leave and support the pug raid.
Ask us for fights with even number as long as you are 20+ and you may get them

Shout out to the guild FURY which did a few scrim fights with us. They wiped us many times on open field. Though instead of farming us they offered the opportunity to fight them with equal numbers. We had long and hard fights but it was the best fight we had one Saturday.

Missing such great guilds in WvW.

It’s just my opinion and not my guild’s one about that and don’t intend to flame.

colesy.8490:

do I need to find screenshots of GD blobbing too?

you know, those times when you say you have no more than 25 and you have 40 guys?

Grab them out for me please. Those ancient relicts. I just can say in advance. Learn to count. Btw is our at cap at 35 and not 25. Though we reach this cap almost never.

best regards and b2t. yay less/no queue! we can jump from map to map

ignore the comment below if *you are sick of blobbing topic

dem russian blobs today… you guys has brang it to perfection after Vizunah invented it.

We started on SFR bl and fought against ZDs/ZBs (~30-35) plus another ~15-20 pugs.
Well… let me correct myself. It wasn’t even a fight. That suggests both sides stand an equal chance of winning.
You guys were just melting us in a second. You bombed us more horrible than everything else.
When you have fun rolling with a superior number…. ok. Then let it be. It just sucks and im qqing.

After that we switched the map and oh gaaaaaaaawd. Another russian blob.
SPRT from Piken plus pugs. Same story.

I am sorry for all those small guilds like NoE, OPT, VG and OSC. We outnumbered you but isn’t it enough to just make make a cluster raid with 2 guilds instead of 4? :P

What a pity Baruch’s guilds are mostly on vacation. Missing the fights against sIN and DsD we had 8 weeks ago. At least we had some intense fights against Scnd. I can’t remember when we had such long fights against a single guild. Thanks for that.
I think else we would die of boredom.

Arutassin.2758:

Stooperdale.3560

Daggerstorm will always be a projectile finisher

Isn’t dagger Storm a Whirl Finisher?

Well…it sends back projectiles…

First of all sry for my bad english in advance.

I have a few questions about the Elite-Skill “Daggerstorm” due the Wiki don’t provide me with the informations I need. (or my english is too bad to understand it)

How many projectiles really Daggerstorm has?

The wiki says:
“One foe may be hit directly by up to 8 projectiles, at the rate of about one per second. The number of hits is directly proportional to the distance between the foe and the thief, with one dagger hit from the skill’s maximum 900 range distance, and 8 hits while standing directly on target.”

So does Daggerstorm hit 5(maximum AoE cap)x1 projectile from a range of 900 and
5(maximum AoE cap)x8 projectiles if you stand in the enemy?

And what are actually projectile finishers?
Just the reflecting projectiles or even the daggers itself?

and the Wiki also says:
“Each dagger will bounce once to a nearby target when it hits.”

Are these projectiles as well?

On more question.

The Wiki says:
“Some projectile finishers (most skills in the first slot of the skill bar as well as multiple projectile skills) only grant a 20% chance of applying the effect for each projectile; this is usually noted on the tooltip for the skill.”

Is Daggerstorm on of the skills which just have a 20% of applying the effect for each projectile?

Thanks in advance.

best regards!

Icipher.4320:

Yaro.3251:

Ogre.1750:

Omg i just saw the GD vs Scnd scraps and almost peed my pants, holy ghost, insane rounds. The game evolves, the meta sharpens, i could see it. Incredible technical details, insane lvl… long exhausting rounds that put crews to the test…

Too bad you dont go official, those were without a doubt the highest lvl bouts ive seen… maybe ever. Im featuring the hell out of that if i can get some HD fo-sho!

That’s a hell of a teaser Ogro

Lol even I get hyped for the next episode and I was in those fights :P

So are we! :P

I would love to fight you all night long! Fights we had against you make guilds much much stronger. I’m pretty excited how you rock with your main leader. I look forward to the “official” GvG we might have in the future!

best regards

Hard to say which will be the new top GvG/Open-Field-Guild because there weren’t enough GvGs to deliver good comparisons.

I just can say I would really like to fight against Mya, sIN, Scnd, VII, GH, VoTF.

I would like to see more GvGs from VoTF and GH to see if they are still as beastlike as a few months ago. But if a guild really wants to make a claim to the “crown” then they have to fight GH and VoTF first.

Mya is a surprise bag. Hope they will move to a higher tier to fight the guilds I’ve mentioned above.

60+ Omegas

Cap?

Great video as always, Ogre. Entertaining as kitten!
Didn’t expect the GvG between GH and DsD to be close.

Atm gw2gvg.com is not accurate enough to show the real power of a guild
but “GvG SHOWDOWN” kinda help guilds to be up to date and shows that there are still underrated guilds you shouldn’t underestimate.

You and MartyPartys bring so much attention to the GvG scene. Hope you will keep up the good work.

P.S. : I preferred your old voice/mic :P

Hebril Amolebin.9817:

Crying we blob… JS Elona wake up on Js map last night … big faceless JS blob and 2 ER blobs merging in one frequently Die + News and Gd.. And we blob? at least we had 2 commanders on map…. But I suppose Die + News dieing frequently to CoN made you sad….

2 ER blobs? I think your definition of blob is broken, mate.
You are clearly exaggerating.
Btw we had 2 commanders and GD without a tag. Well then?

Riverside camped the serpentine at Woodhaven with ~60 people and 3 arrow carts.
We have built a treb to clear it. aZm decided to join our party and built a treb as well.
You just can make out the outlines of the treb due my messy resolution.

http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3319/qcu4d2ha_jpg.htm
http://s14.directupload.net/file/d/3319/znxqwddc_jpg.htm

sincères salutations, aZm!
Keep up the epic team play

Thumbs up for all the ideas coming from people who rack their brains making this game more exciting and more competetive. Tbh I doubt Anet will implement any of these ideas because they need to watch what the majority wants and unfortunately the majority are the casual gamer. Nevertheless we should provide more suggestions so Anet can finally adress the root of the problem of WvW.

General Fun:

World Ranks were a cool idea but bad implementation. I am of the opinion that people should be rewarded for their play but not by power (aka fortitude) but by recognition. An idea that came to mind is, that in a given wvw play session the progress of a player is tracked. Number of fortifications taken, # of fortifications defended, dolyaks killed, dolyaks escorted, number of player kills. The top 3 highest on a given map in a single play session get a noticeable glowing aura in 1 of 5 colors that corresponds to the event they are leading at.

I really like this idea. Reminds me of the Cut-throat event from Path of Exile. A race where you mess with other people for a day/week/month. The guy with the highest rank wins but on his road he can encounter other competetors and kill them.
I could imagine such an event for GW2 as well tbh.
This wouldn’t solve the zerg problems but it would bring up a real competition for roamers into WvW. Anet should srsly keep this in mind. I would love it. <3

Erastmus.3785:

Another “fix” would be to remove the downed mechanic in WvW. Sure I can see it’s place in PvE but definitely not in WvW. It’s yet another example of things that favors the zerg/larger group versus a smaller one since they can res their fallen while still applying an ample of pressure on a smaller group.

If a player is defeated, he should stay defeated without being able to get ressed at all alternatively have a downed timer, for example 30-60 secs, until he could get ressed and back up on his feet.

In my opinion the down state mechanic is not such a big problem. You get a 2nd chance to fight. The weird thing is that you still can be ressed after you are completely dead. They should disable the res mechaninc for completely dead people. But I don’t think it support zerging that much. We need a major wvw patch.

Not a drop in the ocean like traps (which give actually small groups a bigger disadvantage than big zergs) or wvw ranks (which are not really that motivating anymore).
We need big changes like the cullung patch which actually was the only good patch imho.
A big part of the community wants less zerging. That should be the #1 priority for the WvW team of Anet. Please don’t waste any time with more traps or something like that. No one yelled for traps in WvW, right?
The last thing which WvW needs is another guild leaving gw2.

larger maps would maybe solve the whole problem.
The main issue in GW2 is that there are just 4 different maps (unfortunately just 2 different maps and one exist three times) and all maps are too tiny and the towers/keeps are too close. This encourage people to stack up on one single commander.

Why? Here an example.

I roam with 10 guild mates and start to siege a tower. Most times there are scouts or people who see us by happenstance and inform the main zerg.
30 sec has been elapsed
The main zerg has the possibility to port to a keep or to their spawn and group up again.
maybe another 20 sec has been elapsed
Up to now it depends on the tower how long the zerg needs to reach the sieged tower. In case of the keep is contested and the farthermost tower is getting sieged the zerg need just 30 seconds to arrive and wipe a minor number of people.

This is just ridiculous. You shouldn’t have so much mobility with a brainless blob.

How to solve it ?
Either you make the maps bigger or (in case of it’s too much work) you add the same maps again.

Another idea. Remove the wp from the keeps and just make porting possible if you are dead.
I know this is not very well thought out but the main issue is

too much mobility in wvw for zergs!
please nerf it :/

My sincerest condolences.

The headstone reads:
“RIP Desolation 2013 and Anet was just watching.”

Unfortunately many things went wrong this week. Miscommunication, different time zones, rl etc..
I hope to have Piken in a matchup again to fight VII and GH in a GvG.
Especially GH!
At least we got one evening to fight you in full flow and strength. Powerful bombs, good movement and you are very very very tanky…

It’s a pity that we haven’t had GvG

Despite all the blobbing, hate and flame. I kinda fell in love with all the t2/t3 servers like Piken, SFR and especially Baruch and hope to get you again for a second chance.

Pryda.8257:

Seuche.4809:

@Jasta

Trolololololololol trololololololol trolololololol

Well if you watch GD GvG videos when they are 25v25 on the fields they also have a lot of watchers

So yeah, I don’t really care that much and GD probably plays with 25 sometimes, but they can fill ~35 also and Jasta can’t be 100% trolling

As you said. It was on a GvG day. A special event for the whole guild. There are also PvE guys in our guild who like to see it live.
And Jasta is just pathetic. He is completely exaggerating. 45??? Srsly? Our cap is at 35. And we don’t really reach that often. Most times we are between 30 and 35.
Though we ran with 24 guys on saturday. And that was we are just talking about.
He apparently didn’t see us on saturday and accusing us always running with 35-45 people.

Any respect left to aZm. You guys have balls of steel. Running with 10-12 people(?) and still running into us without pugs. (we were ~24 today)

ECL…pathetic . You could easily run without any pug with your 20 people.
And nice pug zerg you were leading on EB, Raniri.
Never ever complain about blobs again please.
Apparently every server except Baruch and Vabbi is blobbing.

Your SFR zerg. http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3309/m6v8nzcz_jpg.htm
and the tail. http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/3309/mgupt2e8_jpg.htm

The guild Good Old Days [GD] is looking for GvGs.
just /w me
We have time on tuesday and thursday.
We prefer 20 vs 20 and 25 vs 25.

If you wish we can do fun matches as well with 15 people.

The current meta in WvW are melee train / pain trains.

But there were guilds like War Legend from Vizunah who showed that you can be successful with a ranged setup as well.
If you are so kitten ed so why don’t you try other setups/builds with your guild?
As long as everybody just complains about the current meta melee trains will last forever.

warriorjrd.8695:

lets try and get a bit more fun and skill involved in the game shall we?

How? Zerging with equal numbers?
I have a dream that one day we will organize a ZvZ. A zerg versus zerg!
60 vs 60. Let’s find out which pug raid is the best!

saiyr.3071:

Anyone have trouble approving scores? I have one pending but when I click approve it just redirects me to the index.

Had the same problem with approving challenges.

TROLOLOL
Most ridiculous fight above Godslore on Jade bl!
Hided in a small hole in front of the jp. Standing with our backs to the wall in a dead-end.
kittened pov but it was hella fun though! Thanks for this unique moment :P

Our password? Why should I hide an outdated password? ^^
Though I’m glad it made you happy.
Though I hope for more open field combats and less arrow carts after the week end.
I miss Baruch Bay already

majos.8503:

Rhx.9354:

GL to GD best guild in this match.

I’m sure GD will enjoy this matchup, they’re strong guild and they have lots of people so i think they’ll be able to kill almost every blob they fight against… (My doubt is if you will be able to fight any blob without a Wall in the middle or AC there…).

So ya… i just want to say.. GL on this tier GD…

Now I see what you mean. DTK from Riverside are kittening beasts with their arrow carts.