They’ve already announced/strongly implied two coming features that closely match the titles of those blog posts.
“Account Bound” = Account bound WvW experience
“Removing Restrictions” = Equipment is no longer restricted to be either PvE or PvP, and the two separate gear systems are unified into one.As much as I would love to see more sweeping changes like those suggested in some of the posts above, I’m not optimistic.
This seems the most likely to me. If only they would release the posts already…
It was usually already posted by now.
I think SF has a good shot for first.
GoM is pushing REALLY hard because we are so excited by our success. However this kind of excitement does not last for 9 weeks, people will need to sleep eventually.
On the other hand, I’ve heard many SF saying they are taking it easy before leagues start. Of course, I’m not on SF so I don’t know the real story. However, if it is even slightly true that SF is taking a break, then they could have won this week.
Also, people are not wrong about GoM and PvE content, and I kinda expect SAB to be released on Tuesday, that will hurt us. The opposite is also true, GoM will see a big population boost for the first few weeks when everyone is grinding out achievements.
One final consideration for every server:
Nine weeks is a long time in game time, A LONG TIME. Servers change a lot in nine weeks. The server that wins Bronze League will be the server that changes for the better during those nine weeks, which means at least 4 or 5 servers have a good shot at winning 1st place.
Please don’t get this topic closed by turning it into a matchup thread.
I would really like to know if I should be grinding out map completion for the next 3 weeks or not…
They explained this shortly after the game launched. You could go digging around in the forums to find it if you want the citation.
Basically, the “seams” don’t line up right between the different armor classes. If you were to mix and match pieces, many of them would break each other. (Example: In medium armor, legs are strictly pants only, and “skirts” are a part of the torso armor (trench coats). In light armor, the leg piece can contain a skirt, but the torso can not.)
So they will never let you mix armor classes, because they were not designed to be “mixable.”
All I can speak to with any certainty is my own server.
Gates of Madness – Same. (so far)
This definitely needs a developer answer.
ANET, Talk about this plz ….
Communicate……
Check the main page of the GW2 website on Mar 27th. It is probably what “account bound” is referring to. In which case, they WILL NOT talk about it early.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/feature-packs/
After the update, will people be able to use map completion on alts to earn “free” transmutation charges?
(From: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/introducing-the-wardrobe-system/)
“If you’ve been hoarding Transmutation Stones and Crystals, don’t worry! When the Wardrobe goes live, you’ll be able to convert your them into Transmutation Charges. Transmutation Crystals can be directly converted into charges, and Transmutation Stones can be converted at a three-to-one rate.”
Based on this, completing a zone should be worth one charge. Or at least, completing a zone is worth one charge NOW. The real question is, will it be worth one charge AFTER the update?
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Low Tier = Less Coverage/Numbers
Low Tier =/= Bad tactics, coordination, or player skill
In fact, when EotM first came out, we quickly learned that low tier guilds can kill high tier guilds, no problem. There is skill in every tier.
Been on DH for ~ 1 year and this is nothing new. We’ll struggle for a bit, drop to T7-T8, rebuild and rally and then return to T6.
In a few months, it will happen again — no big deal.
This^^^
DH is a lot like GoM now. GoM has been floating from T8 to T6 for the last year+. Sometimes it gets better, other times it gets worse.
The biggest thing that destroys low tier servers is panic. Convince enough people that a server is going to die, and it will be a self fulfilling prophecy.
It ultimately comes down to a similar issue to that with the dolyaks, which is that the game isn’t able to track who is escorting a dolyak unless they do something like kill another player which doesn’t usually happen. Until we fix that gap in the game’s knowledge of what is going on, we can’t accurately reward players.
This statement is confusing. At launch, an “Escort the Dolyak” event existed which rewarded karma on successful completion. That reward/event was removed from the game because bots were scripted to farm the event by following the yaks. The bots received the reward without having to engage in combat.
It was great fun while it lasted because real players could farm the farmers who either didn’t fight back or fought poorly. Was hilarious to watch 12 bots slowly walking along beside a yak only to be mowed down by real players.
Of course, this had to be removed from the game. However, historically, it appears the game is capable of tracking who is escorting a dolyak.
I think if you examine more closely what you just said, you can see the problem. The progress was being given to anyone standing around near the dolyak when it ended its path. That is hardly accurately tracking who helped it out. Without a good way to know who actually helped, we can’t provide adequate rewards.
The “we don’t have a good way to track this” problem has been referenced for months and months.
Is this a “game engine” problem, where the game engine people need to build the functionality into the game so that the WvW devs have the tools they need?
If yes, then what is the status on this? It’s obviously a major weakpoint for WvW, but the game engine programmers have to serve every mode of gameplay. Is this functionally high on their “queue?”
If no, then what is the roadblock?
I realize you have limits on what you can tell us, but please share whatever you can!
Devon,
I’d be really interested to get your feedback on the following:
1) any proposals that stick out to you, and what you do or do not like about them
2) our answers to your questions
I realize that you are getting useful feedback from us, but it would be nice for us to get some more feedback from you also.
as of now the upcoming WvW tournament will be in the format :
gold : Tier 1, Tier 2
silver : T3, T4,T5
bronze : T6,T7,T8come on ANET, you know there is no chance a server from T5 gonna beat a server from T3, despite there will a free transfer to T5 servers. T3 will stomp T5 to dust anytime. no fight.
the format should actually be :
diamond : Tier 1, Tier 2
gold : T3,T4
silver: T5,T6
bronze : T7,T8closest 2 tiers will bring closest fight. group them together.
Ya… We begged for that last time also. It would be really great, but sadly I’m pretty sure Anet will just do the same leagues as last time.
in Battle for Lion’s Arch - Aftermath
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This LW update so far:
bugs
bug “fixes”
balance changes
mechanic changes
new bugs caused by mechanic changes
Seriously, every time I join this fight, I have to consult the forum and patch notes just to figure out what is going on.
People only have two weeks to play this content. A large part of the player base has given up due to all this crap. If you want the players to actually experience the “Killing Scarlett” content, its time to remove some roadblocks.
At this point, you should scrap all the nonsense and simplify these fights. Let people zerg the Fem-bots and let people do 100% damage. You might even want to nerf the hologram fight a little bit.
Stop trying to “balance” and start removing roadblocks.
Just a quick procedural question.
When will this CDI thread cycle end, and when will the next thread to discuss the CDI process start?
no
So… this thread is over then?
Is this thread now the longest running thread on the forum? (Not counting necro’d posts)
I have to ask the Moderators to get this thread back on track. 3 pages of multiple posts that don’t have anything to do with the CDI Topic is killing it.
Yes please
I wanted to pivot to something that Luna mentioned early in the thread, the idea of a more complex fight for Stonemist.
Would it make Stonemist feel too difficult to capture if the assaulting team had to capture and hold 3 capture points? Here are some of the problems I see with it.
1) It would encourage everyone defending to just blob up on one point and hold out as a group.
2) It could be so difficult to actually accomplish that it becomes nearly impossible to flip Stonemist.However, I think it would be an improvement to the current rush the middle of the room scenario.
Do any of you think this version of Stonemist would be an improvement or does it not really make any positive changes in your mind?
As you suggest, it would still come down to fighting over one circle.
However, you could change that:
Make the capture happen by controlling 2 out of 3 (or even 3 out of 5) of the circles. This would force the zerg to divide. Coordinated zergs would triumph, mindless blobs would lose.
Matches last 8 hours, there are 21 matches in a week with the same 3 worlds, the winner of the week is the world that wins the most matches over the course of that time.
Could you weight the matches, based on how “lopsided” they are?
Hypothetical Scenario:
Green team has a large “morning crew” and brings three times more players than Blue or Red team. Obviously, Green team will always win the “morning” match. The “evening crew” for each team is equal.
Could the “value” of winning any 8 hour match depend on the ratio of participation between the teams? In this way, Green will always win the “morning” match, but it would not be as significant as the “evening” match where the teams are balanced.
Welp, we got more than enough proposals (and many of them are redundant.)
Any chance we could get some direction as to which proposals we should discuss? Someone needs to steer the conversation.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.”
-Albert Einstein
You might be thinking:
My ideas are so good and important, I NEED more than 200 words.
Instead we should all be challenging ourselves this way:
If my ideas are TRULY good and important, I should be able to say them in under 200 words.
1. Ele
2. Ranger
3. Engineer
For those of you who don’t know:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/wvw-spring-2014-tournament/
I have to say, I like all of the changes mentioned in that article. Anet has clearly thought through some of the problems from the last season and is making a serious effort to improve in those areas. I for one really appreciate this.
However, there is one MAJOR area of problem in season 1 that was not addressed: Incentive to play on losing servers.
That said, I think there is still time to change that, and give season 2 an even better chance at succeeding. Here are my suggestions:
Please show this idea some support by posting here. Better yet, come up with your own ideas to encourage the underdogs in the upcoming season 2. Let’s keep it positive and see if we can work together with the devs to make season 2 a big success for every server.
There are lots of great small guilds on GoM. I suggest asking here: http://thegateofmadness.com/
Great, my old suggestion will going to Live… soon…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/suggestions/WvWvW-progression-account-wide
If you want to find the first suggestions for account bound world XP, you have to look to before WXP was even released.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/New-WvW-progress-character-or-account-bound/first
By that measure we have been waiting 11 months.
If gw2wvw.net is going to be completely unmoderated, then no thank you.
It is moderated. But limited to things like racism, nude pics, etc, you know, the general things that are punches below the belt.
Otherwise known as unmoderated…
If gw2wvw.net is going to be completely unmoderated, then no thank you.
Hobo sack is uglier than a centaur.
Can you make two separate sections, one group moderated, and one with no moderation? Bonus points if you call them “Carebear Land” and “Troll Land.”
If the forums have the ability block/ignore posters that bother you, this is entirely unnecessary. Folks are able to take responsibility for blocking those that post things that bother them.
This risks the thread becoming almost unreadable as each person has their own “version” of the conversation, with a different number of participants.
Lets say three “trolls” dominate the thread (which lets be honest is pretty likely). If someone blocks those trolls, then they have no idea what everyone is responding too. Or if you only blocked one troll, you would be completely lost. You cannot parse up a single thread like that and expect it to make sense.
I’d rather give those three trolls their own place, so the people who chose to block them still have a place to speak.
Can you make two separate sections, one group moderated, and one with no moderation? Bonus points if you call them “Carebear Land” and “Troll Land.”
While I can, I see no particular reason to split posts. Consider what we’re replacing here
“Dec 20, HoD vs SF vs FC”
Why should we have two copies of that post? One in ‘carebear land’ and the other in “troll land”.
Because there are so many people begging for an unmoderated forum. If we keep it to one thread, then there will only be a moderated one.
I do have tools in place to watch the ‘mass voters’. At this point I would like to try to give the system a shot and simply see what happens then adjust from there. My ‘saving grace’ is that there is nothing that up/downvotes do to the system that is permanent. Everything that is hidden can be made visible again.
I guess I’m willing to give downvote moderation a try, so long as we can change it later if it becomes a problem.
So the next question is this:
Can you make two separate sections, one group moderated, and one with no moderation? Bonus points if you call them “Carebear Land” and “Troll Land.”
@titanlectro: To be fair, I think your idea is the best. There’s no one-size-fits-all for a community like this, so having both ideas implemented probably will work best.
However, as Oozo mentions, you still most likely need some moderation in the “troll” forum to insure there aren’t any actual personal threats/information posted.
That is a good point. The “troll” forum will need some moderation. Perhaps the limit should be “no RL threats.”
The moderated forum leads to a question that must be answered – Who do you trust to moderate fairly from within this community?
I can build a moderated forum easily, but I can’t say I trust anyone to moderate it fairly. At some point I trust ‘the wisdom of crowds’ more than any individual moderator.
Perhaps we can do both? Let the crowd vote on the moderators.
I’m just afraid about a downvoting system, because it is not hard to get an entire guild to downvote a rival. Or worse, one person could do it with proxies or TOR.
Aren’t personal threats/boasts how real PvPers come and brag?
Well there are two potential answers to this question:
1) No, there are a lot of PvPers who find personal threats to be bad form.
2) Yes, but there are swarms of non-PvPers who also play WvW.
No matter how you define “real PvPer” there will still be a need for moderated forums.
Which brings us back to my point:
We need two sections to the WvW forum, one moderated “carebear” section and one unmoderated “troll” section.
Why?
Because otherwise we will just keep going with this pointless debate, each person championing their own cause. Some will shout “down with the carebears” and others will shout back “down with the trolls.” Lets just make a place where you can choose one or the other, and be done with this pointless debate.
You cannot make a one-size-fits-all system, because we are not all the same size. Let people sort themselves out.
Whoever can do this has my vote.
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I’d say http://www.gw2wvw.net is the best option. I enjoy reddit but I have banned myself from going to that website as somehow 5 hours of my day disappears every time I visit. It is almost as bad as tvtropes.
What say you community-at-large?
Down-vote moderation can be trolled hard, so I hesitant to use that one.
Do we have someone from GW2guru who we could talk to about meeting the specific needs of this community?
I think the only way appease everyone is a two forum system. One forum with moderation, and one without any moderation. People can then choose which thread they want to be a part of. Additionally, inappropriate posts in the moderated forums can just be dumped into the unmoderated one. Trolls in the moderated forum would be “banned” only from the moderated forum, and could still troll their hearts out in the unmoderated forum.
If someone can get ^this^ to work, then I would hope that both the “trolls” and “care bares” would be ok with it.
Some of you guys seem to think that reporting is some sort of magical voodoo.
Reports merely gets the moderator’s attention. The moderators decide if you broke the rules. If you don’t break the rules, people can report you all they want, and nothing will happen.
Sometimes, people get infracted without any reports.
Sometimes, posts get deleted after only one report.
Sometimes, posts get reported constantly, with no consequence to the poster because they did not break the rules.
Sometimes, people report someone else, and end up getting infracted themselves because their own post broke the rules.
Infractions are because of rule breaking, not because of reports.
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So there is another type of trolling, called shill trolling, just reporting a bunch of stuff to get people penalized and it is the most effective destructive troll. It works on here. It works awesome on Facebook. Reddit is still King. It still works on a bunch of other sites, even 4chan is going that direction now outside of b, of all places.
You are right about the weaknesses in downvote moderation.
However there is a counter to “report” trolling. It is called: don’t break the rules. They can report you all they want, but if you didn’t break the rules it won’t matter.
Far too much moderation on GW2Guru. It was even more carebearish than these forums when it came to “insulting” other players, guilds, and servers.
Sounds great.
Seriously, an unmoderated match-up thread will be pointless.
No, it will be great. Every adult can read over and ignore the bad comments.
Yes, every adult can. But does every adult want too?
Do you really want to build WvW community by trolling the ever-loving crap out of each other, because you have the “right” to do so? It is far more likely that all community building will cease as adults (with those powers of discernment you mentioned) will choose to leave such a toxic conversation. All that will remain are the “adults” trolling each other like children.
Therefore, a forum without moderation is pointless. It will no longer function as a meeting place for a community, and turn into a trollfest.
It is so ironic that Birdsong (on a new account) started this thread…
The obvious solution has been ignored by all the people campaigning for the freedom to troll. Ban trolls from the match-up subforum. Stop messing around with warnings and removing signatures and crap. If you don’t want the forum to be toxic, don’t tolerate trolling.
First Troll: Banned from match-up subforum for 1 day
Second Troll: Banned from match-up subforum for 3 days
Third Troll: Banned from match-up subforum for 1 week
Fourth Troll: Banned from match-up subforum for 4 weeks
Fifth Troll: Banned from match-up subforum permanently
This way, the match-up threads don’t become a toxic cesspool. The bans are not forum wide, but merely removing people from the match-up threads who cannot speak respectfully to their opponents. Why should we let the minority ruin it for the rest of us?
Now the match-up threads will move to another site, and probably an unmoderated site, because that is what all the troll champions want. The match-up threads will be infinitely more toxic than they are now, and that toxicity might start to seep over into WvW itself, infecting the community and not just some threads.
I think it would be far better for Anet to retain control of the match-up threads, and use that control to remove trolls from the conversation. Instead they are letting the trolls win…
Far too much moderation on GW2Guru. It was even more carebearish than these forums when it came to “insulting” other players, guilds, and servers.
Sounds great.
Seriously, an unmoderated match-up thread will be pointless.
Welp, this will be one of our last match-up threads.
Ya… Para uses that solution a bit much sometimes.
After the Dec 10th patch, I still put 30 points in Arcane, but I have dropped elemental attunement for faster recharge for the new ranged arcane wave. My new build is BETTER than my old build. Admittedly, I run staff ele, which does a lot less attunement swapping than D/D .
Therefore Elemental Attunement is not a “class mechanic” but just a popular trait. It is not irreplaceably useful for every build.
To the [OHai] team who managed to revive each other in SM:
You guys are REALLY good PvPers! When I called for backup, I might have accidentally summoned a whole zerg to smoosh you. Never the less, I hope you enjoyed your say in The Stonemist Resort. Recommend us to your friends!
- The ASH ele who played music for you.
Anyone here have a huge complaint against the idea of being able to buy Ascended Weapon/Armor Chests with some of our account-bound currencies?
Maybe~
Guild Commendations – 150 commendations, any stats
Badges of Honor – 800 badges, any stats
Dungeon Tokens – 1,000 w/ stat combinations matching the each dungeons’ existing flavors
Fractal Relics – 1,500 w/ stat combinations matching the current capacitors((all quantities subject to change and offered only to inspire thought))
Good question. And morning/afternoon everyone. Just reading through all the new pages and great discussion. This is awesome.
Chris
I like this idea a lot. Ascended should not be “craft it or go home.”
You could also throw karma in the mix (especially now that they made it harder to get).
Ash needs a fully fortified keep or tower and 500 plus supply worth of siege to even take a fight with ET. Stop hiding kittens
Well taking a tower in an other BL, fortifying and placing siege in there..If you didn’t want to have to deal with that, you had more than enough time to kick them out of there before things got annoying.
Taking Stonemist and having a 145 PPT was more important than kicking GoM out of their BL we held a 350 PPT.
It’s cool, we know that Di is merely super tanks that pride themselves on being able to survive a prolonged fight.
Well here’s the deal, as i see it, ASH hasnt been very successful at wiping DI. This “super tank” you speak of, is called strategy and decent builds. We’re not you and and LIKE fair fights (look at attachment as thats your guild leader). Kind of sad you have to outnumber us and STILL use siege and then loss constantly. Must get boring for you guys being wiped everytime.
I’ve been having such a terrible bout of deja vu in this thread, and I finally realized why. This is the PAXA “you can only play WvW our way” all over again.
So I’ll just save myself some time here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/3-15-NSP-GoM-HoD/1675113
And with that, I’m done playing the forum war with DI. See you on the battle field. (Next time, I’ll just ignore you when you whisper me complaining about arrow carts.)
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