Guild Wars 2

WarLord.8430:

ASH you talked a lot of kitten when we were IoM. We been challenging you since day one only because of your past remarks you made to all of us,your to scared that you gunna get owned to fight us straight up. Its all good I completely understand ASH must just have numbers no skill..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wxiil_VFoE#t=202

I have absolutely no interest in a chest thumping competition, this is only a game.

I’ll happily go on record and say that IoM/Di is significantly more hardcore than ASH, and would have no trouble beating ASH in a GvG.

What is with the whole “how dare ASH not GvG us” thing?

Just because we like WvW means we have to like GvG? Might as well run around challenging enemy zergs to costume brawl or sanctum sprint. I warn you, I play a mean Festive Golem.

So… should we just keep using this thread?

BTW, I can run faster than a centaur.

Kinda like the Emperor’s New Cloths… or rather the opposite.

Or (to save on postage), we could leave it this way because it is awesome…

Viking Jorun.5413:

Since when is Spartan a community manager? (also this cupcakes thing is getting old; many of us have been discussing its stupidity in guild chat).

~Ferrum

Ferrum, we keep inviting you to join us on the TS and forums, we are having a lot of fun together as a community.

(The cupcake thing would make a lot more sense to you then also.)

You guys… it’s called night capping. It’s nothing new.

No point bragging about it, no point complaining about it. Move along folks.

Congrats on your first win in months AR, its been a long road for you guys!

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

they add a new Zone to Level from 30-50 called the scarlettzone for that reason all your character will be reseted to lvl 30. You can’t use your gear anymore till your 80 again HF!

Fixed it for you.

I’ll admit it, it’s driving me crazy too.

And this still needs to happen.

DevonCarver.5370:

Summary of Day 1 of discussion:

1) There are a lot of people that would like to see more colors and/or more shapes for the commander icons.

2) People are arguing for commanders to be able to hide their tags from everyone and only have them be visible to select groups.

3) Improved supplyinfo command.

4) No chat suppression.

5) Account bound.

6) A change to the way the icon is acquired.

That doesn’t hit everything, but it hits some of the most commonly requested stuff. In addition there has been a discussion about if it is more important to redo the whole system or provide some small quality of life improvements first.

I wanted to provide some insight into what might be required for some of the types of changes that are being requested, so everyone has a clearer understanding when thinking about them.

Any change that requires significant UI, especially any new UI functionality, is a long term change. Not only does it take time to design the UI and settle on it’s appearance, it takes time to build the functionality. That is why any full on rework of the squad system will be a large project. It is important to us that when we introduce new UI elements we have fully fleshed out their place in the rest of the game UI.

With that out of the way, I have some more questions.
1) What is an acceptable amount of chat suppression for a commander? It’s important to realize that if the system remains as it currently does, with 100g for a tag, no chat suppression would mean that people can spend 100g to spam you with whatever they feel like. That’s not an acceptable solution. I think there are other things we could do, like provide a commander only channel that has no suppression but that people have to opt in to.

2) How would it feel to have a system that gradually unlocked more commander abilities and icons, but that required dedication to WvW? Let’s say we added a commander line to the ability panel and you unlocked it with WvW ability points. What is the right starting price for that? 100 points? more? If that happens, does it make sense for the system to remain character based? Would requiring commanders to spend their WXP in this way limit them to the point that they didn’t want to do it? What if you still acquired the current tag by spending 100g, but you upgraded to new shapes via the WXP system?

About new UI elements taking a long time:
I fully expected that a UI overhaul would take a long time. However, I think it is by far the best option, and would be worth the wait.

Answers to Devon’s questions:
1) Perhaps try doubling the threshold and see how it goes?

2) I would prefer not to tie it to WXP. Truth be told, World rank is mostly a measure of how much time you spend in a karma train. Many good commanders spend hours defending and earn very little WXP from it. Additionally, the commander tags are very important in PvE.

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

Thanks for all the responses : )

I’ve always felt the commander system had a lot of room to grow mainly it does a good job of giving people something to follow but that’s about it. I used to do a lot of commanding and I found splitting a group of 20-40 up into smaller groups to be very difficult and we just ended up using parties and voice but I’ve noticed the lack of tools to do this drives a lot of gameplay to follow the commander. I know in PvE and in WvW we’ve been trying to make the content force a little more splitting as the game becomes a lot more fun when there are a bunch of smaller fights then one big one.

I know there are a lot of suggestions about a whole commander system with points, ranks, ect.. and I think that could be neat but one of our big goals is deep systems and as few of them as possible, as having a lot of small shallow systems all over the game can make it hard to maintain and keep up to date. Some examples are we could just roll the whole commander system into the Guild System and make new ranks and abilities part of guild upgrades. Another way to simplify this would be turn commander into WvW abilities and have a few lines that focus on commanding/following. (Granted this approch does make things more messy for PvE commanders). Just a few examples of how to design in a more simplistic way by folding this into another system, and some of the discussions and debates we have internally every time we go to improve/update a system.

One of my fav quotes on simplistic design
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction.” -Albert Einstein

Embedding the commander system inside WvW ranks or Guild upgrades seems a little gimmicky to me.

There is one existing system where the commander tag belongs: the party system.

If you are going to overhaul the whole commander system anyway, you could overhaul the party system at the same time, to make them one in the same. (Not to mention that the Party UI is STILL BROKEN in WvW.)

Just make it one consistent continuum, party -> larger group -> commanded raid. It should all be one UI with one set of tools: Simple, elegant, and powerful.

skullmount.1758:

Go DR/AR/GOM.
You guys are having a closer matchup than the one we had that Anet called out. Well at least right now you are, there’s still half the week left for one of you guys to take a big lead. Would be really cool if all three of you guys were within 1000 or less points at the end.

Its probably not going to go that way. Based strictly on AR’s own statements in their recruitment thread they have gotten oceanic transfers, and it shows. We simply don’t have the coverage to compete.

I have to say, I’m actually glad that AR is rebounding (even though it might cost us 4th place). AR has sat at the bottom of the barrel for a long time, so I’m glad to see them rising again.

CAPT wheat roll.5743:

G-kick or No respect!

I’ll look into it.

If you look at GoM’s past matchup threads for the last 2 months, you will see my guild being very vocal about hating that particular exploit.

Nike.2631:

titanlectro.5029:

Long term, the commander system needs to be scrapped and rebuilt.

Why? Because we really honestly need some sort of a squad UI. And not just a crappy squad UI, a full fledged one that lets you re-arrange groups, track supply, set objectives and draw permanent things on the map and everything.

Short term, limit the changes to easy quality of life fixes.

• Extend the radius of /supplyinfo to at least 600
• Un-hide other commander tags when you are in a squad (if possible, give the squad commander a different icon)
• Allow commanders to change the color of their tags or make them invisible. (Only if this will not be a significant drain on resources for the overhaul.)

Keep in mind he just said you can’t have both. We can get a quick set of changes and then it moves to the bottom of the priority stack for a loooong time, or we might be able to get a single hard reboot/rebuild.

Given that the means of access is flawed, the functionality is minimal, and potential for excellence is great, I’m hoping for some idea of what the Devs feel could be accomplished with burn-it-down-&-start-fresh go at it.

How great can we actually dream here?

I don’t think he said hard and fast “you can’t have both.” He was making a point about resources and time.

I think, “hack in some quick solutions, then work on the total overhaul” is not unreasonable. Even if all they did was increase the range of /supplyinfo (changing one value in the code) and make other tags visible when you are in a squad (a logic change), that would be enough.

However, instead of each of us making our own assumptions, lets ask the Devs directly:
Can we get a few QoL fixes, and then wait for the total overhaul?

DevonCarver.5370:

Okay, so before we get too far into this discussion, here is something else to think about:
Would you rather see us make some number of small improvements in the short term and larger changes long term or just tear the whole thing down and start from scratch?

To be a bit more specific, we could probably do something like multicolor markers without too much work, although it is not a given, but that would likely be the extent of things for a long period of time.

Long term, the commander system needs to be scrapped and rebuilt.

Why? Because we really honestly need some sort of a squad UI. And not just a crappy squad UI, a full fledged one that lets you re-arrange groups, track supply, set objectives and draw permanent things on the map and everything.

Short term, limit the changes to easy quality of life fixes.

• Extend the radius of /supplyinfo to at least 600
• Un-hide other commander tags when you are in a squad (if possible, give the squad commander a different icon)
• Allow commanders to change the color of their tags or make them invisible. (Only if this will not be a significant drain on resources for the overhaul.)

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To the WvW team: Thank you so much for making this change. I know you have been opposed to this for a long time, so I really appreciate your willingness to change your plans to meet the community’s request.

Suddenly, I have the freedom to play alts to my hearts content in WvW. I’m so excited!

Wow… we haven’t had a thread this pathetic in quite a while.

I looks like [MU] is going for the championship. [Os] held the title first, until the scrappy underdog [PAXA] stole it from them. [PAXA] retired after earning the title, and [Os] has been trying to reclaim it ever since. After [Os] lost their star player to an injury (Rob got perma-banned from the forums), they have been vulnerable. Now [MU] is trying to take advantage of the opportunity, and going for the title themselves.

Will [MU] be able to claim the title? Only time will tell.

Please do it one thread per week. These threads needs facilitators, and if there are not enough facilitators to go around, then the threads are a waste of time.

You want CDI to be something that people value. If it is a once every three weeks thing that is productive, people will value it. If it is a once a week thing that is a flop, people will declare it a joke and stop investing in it.

Focus your resources, and make that one thread per week amazing. It’s ok to leave people wanting more. When their turn comes they will invest all the more.

Bllade.1029:

titanlectro.5029:

Seriously HoD, you tanked on purpose to stay in Bronze league. You had to know you would take some flack for it. Just take your dolyak finisher and move on.

I love it when people act like they would not have done the same thing in that situation.

Get snuffed out like a candle for 7 weeks, or be competitive? Choice is obvious

[way too much bold, stopped reading]

I don’t act like it, I lived it. When my server fell through the ranks to T8 and guild after guild chose to bail out, I had a choice as well. I could stay on GoM and “Get snuffed out like a candle” (for more than just 7 weeks) or I could transfer to greener pastures. I chose the harder path.

Also, your logic is flawed. A lot of servers did have the opportunity to tank for an easier match up. The servers on the top of Silver fought hard to get INTO Gold league. NSP was tanking at first, but then turned it around and pushed for Silver. So obviously, not everyone would choose to tank in your situation.

I could respect your decision to tank a whole lot more if it was followed up with humility.

Seriously HoD, you tanked on purpose to stay in Bronze league. You had to know you would take some flack for it. Just take your dolyak finisher and move on.

Righteous.4307:

Easterbunny.6170:

Righteous.4307:

Crunk n monkey.3749:

Hey HoD, doesn’t FC’s BL look at little too blue. I think they are sad that no one wants to play with them.

Well now that you mention it… It does look a little blue to me. Perhaps we had better paint it a lovely HoD green. In all seriousness last night [MU] ran in GoM pretty much all night. Take it as a complement because we flock to a good fight.

Sorry, but you guys just weren’t on the list at club North Camp during Primetime yesterday.

Oh… you must be talking about the WvW minigame we play called “Zombies”. We wipe a servers blob at north camp repeatedly and intentionally don’t cap the camp. We regroup just north of the cap circle and let the server regroup and build siege on steps. Each time we wipe you all the way back to the portal at the top of the steps we have finished the level. Yesterday we got to level 8… It was the boss level. We didn’t beat the boss level, but it was fun. I think we had a couple players recording the minigame. If so we will post the Zombies video when it’s done.

We use a slightly different tactic. However, we also wiped on the boss level.
http://www.twitch.tv/komvendetta/c/3245227

Ugg… even the trolling is boring on this thread.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Welcome to every t8 server. I like the outmanned buff. Who doesn’t want more mf?

GoM was a T8 server when leagues started. Clearly there is more than one possible outcome.

Lets be honest… The WvW CDI was a flop compared to the other ones.

Here is how to fix it (in addition to Chris’ points):

1) Choose 3 WvW developers, and set aside at least 1 hour of their work day for the CDI thread. If necessary, reassign the workload for these people so they can have that extra hour a day. With this comes an expectation that at least three dev posts will be added to the thread each day.

2) Relax the restrictions on “what you can’t tell us.” Sharing some statistical data needs to be ok. Sharing some plans needs to be ok. Your not going to spoil anything. If you change your plans later, that is ok too. Throw a disclaimer in every post if you have to: “DISCLAIMER: This plan is completely subject to change.”

3) Tell us what you think about specific ideas. A great many discussions kept going that should have stopped, because they never got specific feedback. This distracted us from the good discussions we could have had. Even if an idea is completely stupid and impossible, take some time to explain why you won’t use it, and end that part of the discussion.

Jeknar.6184:

It’s funny that a PvE guild already know about WvW exploits… Maybe someone is teaching bad manners to the kids huh?

The irony is that they probably learned it from certain guilds on ET two weeks ago, when they did it to us over and over and over…
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/matchups/Deckard-Kaineng-Gate-of-SPARTA-Eredar-Terrace/first

As you can see from that thread, the other guilds and I argued against exploiting strongly (perhaps a little too strongly on my part… it really kittenes me off). WAY back in the day, GoM got a bad rep because there were a lot of hackers on our server. Ever since, we have been very much against hacking and exploiting.

[vox] is a large primarily PvE guild, although many [vox] members WvW regularly. They are good people, and I’m sure the guild leadership is not on board with this. Like Styx said, we will talk to them and get it straightened out.

Also, many thanks to Oddball for bringing this to our attention, and for not blaming the whole server for it!

Here is the real issue:

Why are there classes where the elites suck so bad that snow leopard is better?

Don’t nerf snow leopard, buff class elite skills where appropriate.

Jeknar.6184:

A guild usually reflect it’s leadership… I’m pretty sure that if players from a guild are allowed to do somenthing without being called, it is because the leadership aprove such things, thus it do reflect at least a good part of the guild.

And yes, that apply to IoM too… Just because they are my server-mates, it doesn’t mean I don’t find some of them extremely disrespectful (I even have some fights with them). However, if their leadership aprove this kind of attitude on his guild, it’s somenthing out of my reach to solve.

I belive that when a person is representing a guild, this person is acting as a representant of the whole. They follow the guild rules, and represent the guild toward those who not belong to it. And the actions of this person will make people get their thoughts about the guild…

I had to work a lot to clean my name after I entered in a guild that had a lot of bad-blood on the server so I belive my point is valid.

1) I would never call out a guild member in public, so if I had an issue with something that someone in my guild posted, you would never know.

2) As the leader of ASH, I did post my thoughts on this. You can go back and read them if you like. (In short, don’t take this stuff so seriously, we mean no disrespect.)

Awwww Maaaaan… I’m missing all the good ASH shenanigans! (also known as ASHenanigans or shenASHigans) Stupid sleep…

Skosh.1483:

Ash already turned down a request for GvG for some odd reason.

I love WvW and hate PvP.

PvP is about a perfectly even and level playing field, testing skill in a controlled environment.

WvW is about using every last unfair advantage you can accumulate, whether that be a wall or terrain or siege or logistics or scouting or out maneuvering the enemy.

To me, the strategy of WvW is what makes it interesting. I mostly just find PvP to be frustrating. There is certainly nothing wrong with PvP, and I have a great deal of respect for those who are good at it; it’s just not my cup of tea.

There are some in ASH who love PvP, and some like me who don’t. But we almost all like WvW.

P. S.

All the people bickering about who is better or who is night capping certainly make this thread more interesting. However, I sincerely hope no one is taking it too seriously. I’ve seen good skilled play from every team (and horrible play from every team). I salute the guys from AR and ET, and I’m super curious to see who gets second place.

Dem trolls be begging for food…

Kalendraf.9521:

Not sure where SF was last night. Between the few hours I spent in the BLs last night, I barely saw any from that server.

On the other hand, GoM brought some significant numbers to each map. They gave us a good fight at Bay in the HoD BL. It was upgraded when they took it, but only a few of us had time to reach the inner keep before it fell. Nice work on the north gate – that may have been the fastest I’ve ever seen a reinforced gate fall! Later, when we pressed to take it back, you held out for a very long time in the throne room, and it ended up being one of the crazier battles I’ve seen. There were several times in a row where I was downed and a GoM player tried to use a finishing move on me, but I got a lucky rally in the nick of time, and I was able to keep going. Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good, eh?

I’m looking forward to our match-up against GoM again in week 6.

That was the end of our “green arrow” event. (Green arrow, as in upleveled) 90% of us were on lowbies. We always try to end the event with a spectacular fail, so we attacked a max upgraded bay. Then we failed at failing. I’m still disappointed.

This is something else we did during green arrow. We ALMOST got HoD’s citadel.
http://www.twitch.tv/komvendetta/c/3245227

On Gate of Madness, we take our name seriously.

We might lose the war, but we WILL take your citadel with our lowbies!

On GoM, We take our server name seriously.

(Yes, those are superior flame rams)

Solstice.1097:

I bet HoD and maybe SF could beat HoD. I also bet HoD and NSP would be a very close matchup.

SF doesn’t lack a night crew any more than the other bronze servers does, except for HoD and their asian guilds which they may lose when the asian servers go online.

Umm…

Those HoD vs HoD fights get nasty.

magic

I don’t know the policy about this very well. Are we allowed to have someone PM Bill Freist and ask him for an update?

Lamir.6702:

titanlectro.5029:

I simply hate running full zerk, for me that is not fun at all. (Except for kill shotting noobs in WvW.)

I run a hybrid DPS/Tank staff ele build. In normal PvE content, my defensive skills/traits/stats would be considered a problem, sacrificing DPS for no reason. However in the tower, my build is awesome. I still do enough damage to kill everything, and I have enough heals, condition cleanses, stability, and invulnerability to survive.

You have my thanks, Anet! This is the first PvE combat in months that I have enjoyed.

Funny thing, my zerk ele has heals, condition cleanses, stability and invulnerability too.

At the very least, you are referring to running cantrips, and possibly using the ever popular 0/10/0/30/30, that is not exactly a max DPS build, now is it? You where rewarded for taking some defensive skills/traits.

Same goes for all those other people talking about running zerk + damage mitigation. All that damage mitigation is DPS you aren’t min-maxing. Its not about the zerker stat combo, it is about max DPS builds.

The tower rewards defensive traits/stats/skills.

VOLKON.1290:

It reinforces the fallacy that the combat system in this game is purely dps based. Newer players to GW2 as a result learn to play poorly and when faced with the more complicated aspects of the game, be it WvW or dungeons and towers with more complicated mechanics, wind up liabilities. They become the inflexible yet loud few that yell on the forums about how something is too hard to complete (hits too hard, too many conditions, etc.) and scream for nerfs to content that is perfectly fine and already quite well balanced around a combat system designed to utilize a combination of damage, control and support skills.

^^ QFT

I don’t think it was a fluke. When Scarlett said, “Don’t look behind you” (or something like that), the sound actually came from behind!

Once I realized this, I started listening more carefully, and I noticed that many of Scarlett’s lines were playing around with the 3D sound in cool/creepy ways.

Hats off to the sound guys, I love that kind of stuff!

I simply hate running full zerk, for me that is not fun at all. (Except for kill shotting noobs in WvW.)

I run a hybrid DPS/Tank staff ele build. In normal PvE content, my defensive skills/traits/stats would be considered a problem, sacrificing DPS for no reason. However in the tower, my build is awesome. I still do enough damage to kill everything, and I have enough heals, condition cleanses, stability, and invulnerability to survive.

You have my thanks, Anet! This is the first PvE combat in months that I have enjoyed.

SuicideByTaco.5408:

If GoM can push itself to 2nd in our weeks matchup and FC pushing itself to 1st or 2nd the next week then the rankings would probably maybe even look like this at the end of the season

1st : Anvil Rock
2nd: Darkhaven
3rd: Gates Of Madness or Ferguson’s Crossing

Best of luck to GoM, DH and FC ur still in the race keep it up!!! ^^ Here’s a picture to rally ur troops!! ; p

^^ Umm…

Submit a support ticket and delete this thread.

Righteous.4307:

Side note… I was just checking the Score/PPT:

http://mos.millenium.org/na

GoM you still have a decent chance at beating SF this week.

GoM = Skritt

Today is new shiny day.

SF is safe in second place.

Bill Freist, is there is status update on this?

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

madchatter.7964:

TeamBattleAxe.3901:

clint.5681:

Only reason threads get closed is because they are full of tears from the losing sides. Since this should be a competitive match up and HoD and GoM seems to have some cool cats on their forum crew i doubt that will happen.

I also wish i could set up a betting system but idk if thats against Anets rules or not.

Would you settle for a polling system? :P
http://strawpoll.me/673580

I want to lodge a complaint. This seems to only let you vote once per IP. Since there are two of us one the same IP, I do not get a vote.

I DEMAND A RECOUNT!!!

:P

Halp! HoD is zerging our strawpoll!

Everyone WP, we can still save it! [Strawpoll Waypoint]

Really fun three way going on in GoM BL right now! This is going to be an awesome week.

Jeknar.6184:

This “ress-through-gate” thing, been already exploited for ages and I find it silly that it still around when many other exploits like the wall climbing have been fixed already… They could simply put another stupid gate behind that one and the problem would be solved. And no, I don’t belive that such a broken mechanic is “working as intented”.

So since Anet didn’t fix something, it must not be broken. Great logic there.

Let me just kick you from my party in WvW…

Berk.8561:

titanlectro.5029:

We can add AKD and ApeX to the bay exploiting list… Yes, I got screenshots of you rezing through the gate.

I know you guys are convinced that this is an exploit, but I think it’s pretty clear that Bay was designed with those gates precisely to allow what people are doing. Why else would those portals be there and not act like walls? What other purpose do they serve? I think they are working as intended, frustrating as that may be to those who take Bay, just as perma-stealth thieves and Mesmer portaling in general are working as intended. I recommend not killing the Mesmer by the underwater portal or by doors and, yes, there are ways to do that.

They are there because they used to be destructible, like the water gate in Green Keep in EB.

They disabled the destructible nature of the gate because it was too easy for people to exploit through the gate. Turns out they are still easy to exploit.

People are fooling themselves that this is not an exploit. But continue to rationalize it all you want…