Guild Wars 2

LJMaster.6214:

I hate the word blob. I had a group of 45 and I was running without tag, 35 DVG, 10 friendlies, and it was absolutely epic on viz bl! What am I supposed to do? Turn some guildies away and tell our friends to stop following us? Why does it matter if GoD run with 40 people and you run with 20? Maybe if you acted in a different way you’d have more than 19 friends That ZBs guild I mentioned earlier were epic, they had about 45 also and because they were incredibly organised they could achieve anything, with a group of about 20 you can have some nice fights, but you can’t exactly dominate a battlefield.

It was fun fighting against ECL and the other SFR guild on viz bl tonight, apologies for not remembering the tag. We’re struggling a bit for coverage this week, or maybe we just need to organise our foces more. SFR are very impressive with their organisation, it is really impressive.

Whether or not you can help it, if you run with a large number of players, thats a blob. It doesn’t matter if it’s one guild or 80% one guild and 20% another. And I think what you meant is you hate the negative taste attached with the word blob. The reason blobs are looked down upon is because when you blob, you usually force the other servers to blob so that they can counter you, and when two blobs meet in combat the server simply cannot handle it. Also when smaller guild group are trying to work on squad play and get some nice smaller scale fights and then they get steam rolled by 60 people it’s pretty annoying. The fact remains is that every server blobs and there’s nothing you can really do to stop it.

pheroth.5306:

“WvW
pros:
- really a good class for zerg vs zerg fights and great capacity to deal massive single target and aoe damage”

They have massive aoe damage?

Piercing arrows has no cap to the targets (if it does it larger than just 5 people as i’ve hit atleast 6 with one shot before), if the enemy lined up in a row it would go to the end of its range. Think of it more as multi target damage rather than AOE like barrage or meteor shower. However as I have found out multiple times, multi target auto attacks don’t bode well with retal

Atherakhia.4086:

Morbridae.8607:

Atherakhia.4086:

Let me start by saying I’ll never be satisfied with the Ranger class until it’s a RANGEr.

I believe that the ranger got its name not because of its ranged attacks, but because they can do ranged missions, as in soloing into a jungle or another dangerous place, to scout or kill something.

That’s all well and good… also irrelevent.

Think of a park ranger rather than an archer. Just because we can wield two bows doesn’t mean we have to excel at range, hence the reason we can wield a sword and a greatsword and do great damage with both.

Asking on the ranger forums may get you a biased asnwer but i’ll do my best to leave my opinions out of it. Theives have been nerfed to hell and back, being forced into a very small choice of builds that are actually effective. Ranger has gotten some great buffs, including stealth on the longbow to really mix up fights. I personally wreck most thieves on the battlefield with my signet power build, however if I come across a skilled thief, I find myself in some trouble.

It also depends greatly on what you’re looking for. Both classes are, I would say, two of the best roaming classes in wvw. However if you’re looking for larger fights in a wvw scenario, thieves may have a bit more trouble with that than a ranger.
Thieves have been nerfed nearly every patch leaving them with few options, however if you have a bit of skill you can work wonders on a thief.
Rangers are still severely underestimated but not without reason, pets have yet to get an AI tweak and are still, for the most part, useless against enemies that have a lot of AOE.
For pve, I would recommend a ranger, the mobs cant really kite your pet so you can easily get max DPS, also if you ever do go downed, Lick wounds is probably the best downed skill in game.
In a roaming wvw scenario I would recommend a theif, they have great mobility, much greater than a rangers, and stealth allows for quick escapes if you find yourself face to face with a zerg.
Zerging in wvw, I would say a ranger, with piercing arrows we can dish out some nice mutli target damage and can offer some support with healing spring.

Little sloppy explanation but I hope it helped. Coming from a ranger I would say roll ranger for everything, but we do have our weaknesses, so maybe try both classes out for yourself

Kodash garrison today was a flippin legendary fight! Amazing defense put up by kodash, you guys did not give up at all. I have never seen things get focus repaired like that before. Your defensive effort made it one of the best keep captures i’ve been apart of. Hoping for some more great fights for objectives like that the rest of the week

LJMaster.6214:

If I’m honest, I was disappointed when I saw servers we were facing after reset. It is nothing against either of the two servers, I was just hoping Desolation would be able to test itself against Elona/BB/Jade Sea.

Reset night was great fun, we were in Kodash Bl and there were multiple threeways. It was nice that we had two groups going around who joined forces for the big fights, seemed to work pretty well in the fights.

It was fun commanding this morning/afternoon, it was a slow start with not many players on teamspeak, we struggled to reclaim deso bay with low numbers compared to the two German sides, both having bigger zergs in our own borderland.

After that though it was great fun hopping across the borders with a fully armed, crazy (and sometimes psychotic) desolation group, we had 50 on teamspeak I believe and we had some great fights with both Millers and Kodakitten was a shame (for us) that almost half of your borderlands were tier 3, which limited what we could go for with them being so well sieged and manned with an equal number of defenders. We had some great open field fights, it took us a while to get organised, but eventually we got it right. So yeah, thanks to everything that was following, it was great fun.

Sometimes its better to have these relaxing weeks where we don’t have to worry about the ppt too much and just have fun with the other servers. Neither of these servers are the blobby t1-t2 servers, so I expect some really nice fights this week

Hey, I remember you scarlet from our match up thread <3. Put it this way, you got us, deso, for two weeks with one week each. Do you really want us for a month?

Had some great fun in piken bl today, I saw all three servers blobbing so not complaining. Some really nice fights in bay and sunnyhill, lets hope for some good fights tomorrow before we possibly bid farewell.

Lol, what about those guild groups that run in groups of 20. 20 man groups aren’t the problem its when two 60 man groups meet at once and the server cant handle it.

LJMaster.6214:

warriorjrd.8695:

As for people complaining about people running heavy gaurdians, that really makes me laugh, every good wvw guild runs them and you think that it takes no skill? Why because the auto attack on staff is an aoe? Melee is what does the most damage and thats how you win fights, its plain and simple.

As for people complaining about people using golems, that really makes me laugh, every good wvw server runs them and you think that takes no skill? Why? Because they do serious damage to gates? Golems are the most efficient way to take a tier 3 keep, it’s plain and simple.

PS. I just couldn’t resist.

I just hope that mentality isn’t common.

LJMaster.6214:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

Update: Well done you reset our Garri even though we’re usually good with our scouting.

Well I tagged up in Piken, I didn’t come from deso and this was about 10 minutes before it was attacked. I went to EB to recruit a borderhopping team considering we were on about 150 point tick. We had about 15 in Piken which would not have been enough, but the majority of our forces were in EB. So please, as I told you in map chat, the fault is not with the borderhopping team that was trying to win points, it was EB. No offence to the guys in EB but you were fighting for Veloka (the hardest tower to cap) for 2 hours while everything in desolation was flipped. If you’re playing for points, EB is not the place to be.

So please, do not try to lay the blame down on the borderhoppers as you implied in map chat, we formed 10 minutes earlier and took a small fraction of the EB force, we were not the Desolation BL force. I also told you all this in map chat if you had bothered to reply, so seriously do not try and blame us, we were trying to gain some points for the tick.

I was part of the group that came to defend garrison and that flipped before any of us got in. The only blame I can pin is on AM, it was scouted but whatever they used they got into lords room in less than 2 minutes, no time for any defenders to get inside. You can’t blame the eb group because they couldn’t make it into the keep. As for spending two hours trying to take veloka, that was strategical, it drained their keep supply to around 800. If we kept up that pressure their keep would have been incredibly vulnerable. However, strategy seems to be lacking on a lot of players recently…

Dahir.4158:

What Desolation does in their spare time

Beautiful =’)

Darkphizer.8713:

To all the DESO guys who are talking bad about our own server,
I honestly think you should move, WarriorJrd, yes i am talking to you.
All you seem to be able to do is complain and be a pain in the butt over every wvw map.
We know what you think already, don’t harass people with it every time you log into the game and try to provoke people who ARE going for points AND fights.

I had fun yesterday on Abaddon’s BL, After the first hour our main DVG commander had to leave and I ended up tagging for the guild and the ‘militia’ as we call them on the map.
We ended up having some nice coordination for keeping Abaddon’s garrison.
And I can proudly say nobody in my group that represented DVG stept away from a single fight!
And in all honesty, we won equal fights, we lost equal fights, we even won some uneven fights in our disadvantage, but the times we wiped we did not give up and kept going!

To piken, You ran a lot of numbers as well, its seems that we just have better coverage,
Saying we are vizu is very dishonest of you guys in my opinion,
I know what i ask of my groups on TS and skill is required to pull it off,
One thing is for sure, we do not mindlessly spam 1 and hope numbers will make the difference.
Guilds like EXG, GoD, Unit, TLA.. they know what they are doing, and you must have seen them around kicking kitten or atleast trying very hard to do so.

This all being said, I am very much looking forward to this matchup the skill of the piken groups and the sheer numbers Abaddon’s seems to bring are totally different yet both are effictive.

Ive been in Deso since Beta, if you want to turn this server into a less organized version of vizunah then by all means, transfer to vizunah, I’m sure they can give you a few pointers. As for people complaining about people running heavy gaurdians, that really makes me laugh, every good wvw guild runs them and you think that it takes no skill? Why because the auto attack on staff is an aoe? Melee is what does the most damage and thats how you win fights, its plain and simple.

LampGhost.9658:

It is pretty easy to call desolation a copy of vizunah with ‘numbers and no skill’, when we have fought vizunah for months. For months we were only able to cover 1-2 maps and had to give up completely on the other maps, while at the same time wiping our enemies in open field fights 90% of the time. This forced us to be more organised in borderhopping etc. Now we get matchups where we stand a chance since the enemies do not have massive numbers, we win, and instantly get called vizunah…

unfortunatly for you guys i dont see desolation run away from fights to WP as quick as we can, i don’t see deso get wiped 90% of the time and yeah, really sorry we have holidays and enjoy playing in the evenings/nights too!

You must be looking the wrong direction when piken guilds farm us then. Also, the only time we tick significantly higher and for a considerable amount of time, is when the enemy sleeps. A trait invented by a french server I remember fighting, once, maybe twice.

noddan.2035:

I dont see whats the problem with nightcapping. If pikensquare/kodash had enough players playing at night they would do the same. Its like some ppl on our server expect us to log off or go to pve just because the opponent is sleeping. Very strange.

And yes, we are trying to rebuild what we have and a considerable amount of people think winning is a way to do that. Ofcourse everyone hates when vizunah does it, who likes to loose t3 keeps?

I find it very funny that some ppl on desolation finds it necessary to start complaining in mapchat about this. Just fight however you want to do, and we will do the same.

YOU CANT DECIDE FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHAT THEY SHOULD DO.

Great fights with piken this week, you are very strong! And thanks to Jue for beeing understanding.

I understand people want to play at night (being from Canada and at least 5 hours behind EU I always play when the majority are sleeping). However, there is a difference between playing at night and golem rushing every empty objective you see. I know you want Deso to win, and so do I, but is becoming vizunah really worth that gold medal? At the end of the week if we win. Look at how we did it before you celebrate.

Ins.7139:

Castiel.8169:

nice deso, i see you learned alot from vizunah, have fun pvding this week.

You’re just facing a server that has been on the losing end for nearly 6 months straight, everyone will come into WvW now Deso has a chance and the night crew that got formed to slow down VS attacks and try hold objectives now has free-reign to take what they like.

If you had been facing 50+ zergs with 15-20 guys for 6 months during the night wouldn’t you go and take everything for once? lol

What I think you meant to say is: " If you had been pvdoored, and night capped for 6 months and complained about it, wouldn’t you do it the first chance you got?lol" Yes indeed, lets become vizunah for the lulz shall we, because they did it to us for 6 months. Flawless logic

I had an excellent time commanding in eb today. The pain train really got rolling when we took jerrifrers. AR, you may want to work your tactics. When I (deso) is trying to hit jerrifers don’t attack a deso objective. The best thing to do would be to double focus viz, and i’m sure you have a bit of hatred bubbling up against viz as they kept flipping your western side.
Overall, a day full of lootbags and WXP. Vizunah can try to run to their towers for safety, but I snare as many as I can. Augury, you gave us some great fights when you hit durios (you really wanted that tower didnt you) Viz, well those of you that didnt make it into the towers gave us lootbags atleast. Those viz that did push, thank you! I like those challenging fights, they’re fun and my favorite part to wvw. I look forward to commanding eb in the future and, hopefully, getting some nice fights too.
See you on the battlefeild

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

warriorjrd.8695:

Flipping Viz keep in eb + many other vizunah owned things made tonight very enjoyable. Camping their spawn for a bit wasn’t too bad either.

Still doesn’t stop them capping stuff back and Karma training, I’ve seen us think we have to play like Vizunah with our golem rushes and all yet it doesn’t bother them they just have the coverage and heck even the organization at times that we don’t, Anet needs to sort these matchups and gives us a matchup within our capabilities and wvw population after all these months.

I agree with you 100%. I don’t want vizunah as a match up, but if we do get them, you might as well make the best of it, even if you’re not going to win.

Flipping Viz keep in eb + many other vizunah owned things made tonight very enjoyable. Camping their spawn for a bit wasn’t too bad either.

I had an excellent time commanding the border hopping group this night/morning. It started with the hundred year siege of vizunah owned hills in deso border. One thing I can say about vizunah is that they dont waste time seige capping any objective they own. I counted at least 5 trebs by the WP, 3 superior ballistas and around 4 superior arrow carts. (not complaining btw, it was a very fun flip) I had to take my determined group to hills 4 times, 3 of which were just to eliminate siege. Which, thankfully, they couldnt rebuild due the the keep being drained. On the fourth time I might have gone a bit excessive with the golems, but i really wanted to make sure we got this after nearly 2.5 hours of trying to take it.
It seemed that after we flipped it vizunah was demoralized and all went to bed. Well being a vet of deso and having watched vizunah night/morning cap us for the past 5 months I decided to go on a bit of a rampage. Heading to vizunah borderland i spotted T3 vizunah owned things that I simply had to flip. After ensuring viz bl was solid blue, I bit off more than I could chew with vizunah lowlands. None the less! Everything vizunah had t3 except for eb was flipped, so a good result imo.

If the curse remains unbroken next week vizunah, make sure you have your morning blob on, otherwise I may be inclined to give you some more of you’re own medecine. For the lulz you know.

LJMaster.6214:

So Desolation borderland was interesting the past two hours…

We (deso) were running around defending our two towers alternatively against the French hordes, we eventually lost them due to the attacks being simultaneously, I have to say, I don’t think there has been much fighting on the south on the map, if you get my point.

But then it came to gari, we’re defending against Vizombies from the north, and then all of a sudden Augary are at the South gate! I had a plan to wait it out on the roof/upstairs and let you both fight it out, but as ever viz let us down by actually being pathetic at combat and they ran away and wp-ed (shock) leaving Augary to cap it as we were too few.

It was a fun night that ended with the server crashing, well it did for everyone in desolation, hopefully it did for you as well or I’ll be logging back in to a green map!

The only annoying this is that it was about 40 of us against 150 of you, I’m sure it was coincidence that your attacks kept coinciding, but it really was tough work for us poor defenders!

Servers usually get double teamed on their own border, not much you can do about it. We held garri and our towers for a long time considering we were so outnumbered.

Yuuummy, yummy, yummy. Vizunah tower defense is my new favorite mini game!
(Take note of the outnumbered buff)

Laivine.9308:

warriorjrd.8695:

Laivine.9308:

warriorjrd.8695:

Axle.5182:

warriorjrd.8695:

Being from desolation and complaining about arrow cars is quite funny. We seem to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Last week our night/morning crew raked us a healthy +625. It seems that after fighting vizunah for so long they have rubbed off on us.

that +625 was a server effort and not influenced in any way strongly by AC utilization. Rox from EXG helped us paint deso map green one evening during prime time and yet again the next day around 4:30pm deso pulled a greenwash over deso map + still holding our quarter and SM in EB, this was the community pulling together in the one direction i.e directing more attention to our home map and improving daytime commander presence.

I know the +625 had nothing do with arrow carts, I was merely pointing out we had 15 in our lords room area. I see so many deso players complaining about arrow carts, then I saw that, had to point it out. Then the +625, well i’ve also seen so many deso player complain about PVD and night/morning caping. The point I was trying to make, however unclear it must have been, is that we no longer have the right to complain when the enemy does “cheap” tactics on us, when they seem to be our new favorite method.

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Let me try to describe it better, because you were not in that fight apparently. These arrow carts were not defensive, they were offensive. Hills were ours, Viz tried to capp 2 times (including Golem rush), they got wiped in open combat and in their final stand they manage to pass all gates and push us inside. In our final stand in our Lord’s room, because they didn’t want to risk a 3rd wipe in combat, they built many arrow carts outside the entrance, in order to wipe us. They managed it after a while…

I have nothing against defensive arrow carts inside towers or keeps. Its fully understandable trying to protect what is yours. But, that incident on Hills, was really astonishing. We could have won the fight, but lost because of the gazzilion arrow carts, again! Oh well…

I was in the fight at hills on reset, and if you actually look at the picture I linked with that lovely post of mine, you would see it’s not hills I was talking about.

I am referring to you, because you started blaming Deso players for whining about arrow carts and I was the first one that started the conversation. I was obviously talking about something specific (Hills), as the players above me, but you linked a photo of something completely different and out of topic. I hope its clear now.

When I made my first post i hadn’t even read yours. It wasn’t in response to yours directly either. I was directing it at the deso players complaining about arrow carts, not even in this thread, but in match ups far previous to this one. If you thought I was directing my comment at you, you were mistaken. I was simply pointing out how funny it is that people complain about arrow carts then we have 15 in one location. I can find you the definition of hypocrite if you need it, that’s really what I was aiming for.

Laivine.9308:

warriorjrd.8695:

Axle.5182:

warriorjrd.8695:

Being from desolation and complaining about arrow cars is quite funny. We seem to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Last week our night/morning crew raked us a healthy +625. It seems that after fighting vizunah for so long they have rubbed off on us.

that +625 was a server effort and not influenced in any way strongly by AC utilization. Rox from EXG helped us paint deso map green one evening during prime time and yet again the next day around 4:30pm deso pulled a greenwash over deso map + still holding our quarter and SM in EB, this was the community pulling together in the one direction i.e directing more attention to our home map and improving daytime commander presence.

I know the +625 had nothing do with arrow carts, I was merely pointing out we had 15 in our lords room area. I see so many deso players complaining about arrow carts, then I saw that, had to point it out. Then the +625, well i’ve also seen so many deso player complain about PVD and night/morning caping. The point I was trying to make, however unclear it must have been, is that we no longer have the right to complain when the enemy does “cheap” tactics on us, when they seem to be our new favorite method.

Maybe I wasn’t clear enough. Let me try to describe it better, because you were not in that fight apparently. These arrow carts were not defensive, they were offensive. Hills were ours, Viz tried to capp 2 times (including Golem rush), they got wiped in open combat and in their final stand they manage to pass all gates and push us inside. In our final stand in our Lord’s room, because they didn’t want to risk a 3rd wipe in combat, they built many arrow carts outside the entrance, in order to wipe us. They managed it after a while…

I have nothing against defensive arrow carts inside towers or keeps. Its fully understandable trying to protect what is yours. But, that incident on Hills, was really astonishing. We could have won the fight, but lost because of the gazzilion arrow carts, again! Oh well…

I was in the fight at hills on reset, and if you actually look at the picture I linked with that lovely post of mine, you would see it’s not hills I was talking about.

MagnusLL.8473:

warriorjrd.8695:

Being from desolation and complaining about arrow cars is quite funny. We seem to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Last week our night/morning crew raked us a healthy +625. It seems that after fighting vizunah for so long they have rubbed off on us.

I hope you’re kidding here.

If there is one thing at which Desolation is absolutely terrible is playing the defense game by planting zillions of superior ACs + defensive trebs in the structures; barring maybe the keep in EB, nearly every other structure in our hands is either completely devoid of siege weapons or has much less than it should have. This is one of the main reason (along with the lack of decent scouting) we keep getting our keeps/towers reset to T1 so frequently.

And I can understand that, I mean, we could be going full Vizunah style but in the end it would still be meaningless since they’d simply reset them during the night/morning, so from a practical point of view sieging up stuff is a waste of time and money for any server with inferior coverage. Despite that, though, it would be a big help to retain the strategic offensive during those few hours when we do have enough WvW presence to cover at least 2-3 maps; I wish more commanders stopped looking only at the final score, and started taking into consideration how having properly sieged up T2+ structures allows a more aggressive map approach.

As far as I’m concerned, instantly planting at least 3-4 superior ACs and leaving 1-2 scouts in any structure you just capped and have even the slightest intention to keep should be standard practice by every commander.

We didn’t have 3-4 in that keep, nor that picture, there was 15 total in our lords room area alone. How many times I have seen people complaining about viz or elona using billions of arrow carts, then this is what I see. We can do that, sure, but we can no longer complain when they do it us.

Axle.5182:

warriorjrd.8695:

Being from desolation and complaining about arrow cars is quite funny. We seem to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Last week our night/morning crew raked us a healthy +625. It seems that after fighting vizunah for so long they have rubbed off on us.

that +625 was a server effort and not influenced in any way strongly by AC utilization. Rox from EXG helped us paint deso map green one evening during prime time and yet again the next day around 4:30pm deso pulled a greenwash over deso map + still holding our quarter and SM in EB, this was the community pulling together in the one direction i.e directing more attention to our home map and improving daytime commander presence.

I know the +625 had nothing do with arrow carts, I was merely pointing out we had 15 in our lords room area. I see so many deso players complaining about arrow carts, then I saw that, had to point it out. Then the +625, well i’ve also seen so many deso player complain about PVD and night/morning caping. The point I was trying to make, however unclear it must have been, is that we no longer have the right to complain when the enemy does “cheap” tactics on us, when they seem to be our new favorite method.

Being from desolation and complaining about arrow cars is quite funny. We seem to be some of the biggest hypocrites out there. Last week our night/morning crew raked us a healthy +625. It seems that after fighting vizunah for so long they have rubbed off on us.

frostshade.3617:

You could leave a stacked server

I hate responses like this. Ya lets run from the problem and not fix it, great mentality I bet that gets you far in life.

rotsono.9176:

maeggle.6021:

rotsono.9176:

Well,we do what is needed to keep our points.Actually we got lots of fun.

You can keep your points, just please give us some opportunities to play the game the way we want to play, as well. Your players are so bored, owning every objective on foreign borderlands, they even take any opportunity to zerg-stomp small groups which aren’t interested in attacking your score donators but look for even fights out in the open.
My… so much fun and challenge in that…

Will spend the week getting some nice small scale with Desos and Elonians interested in such things, i guess; and less with trying to have some mid-scale fun with my guildees, since there is no fun in having no evened encounter at any time.

Well not much people are interested in something that challenged and i dont see people which are bored, we still have fun and play the game like we want,like you do, when you cant cuz you dont find people that wanna play the game like you it isnt our problem. :P

warriorjrd.8695:

rotsono.9176:

warriorjrd.8695:

I’m actually starting to think Elona taught Vizunah how to use arrow carts. 10 minutes into reset night elona has 3+ ac’s defending their wooden hills. Now tonight im roaming around solo in Elona bl and I go to cap a sentry. As soon as I step foot in the ring I have arrow carts raining down on me.

I mean I know you guys must be proud of your blue border and I know you must really like your sentries, but lets try and get a bit more fun and skill involved in the game shall we?

Well,we do what is needed to keep our points.Actually we got lots of fun.

I guess you gave out the command to siege up a sentry then? “ARROW CARTS!! ARROW CARTS!!! SIEGE UP THE SENTRIES! GOD FORBID WE LOSE ONE” Has Elona really dropped low enough to siege up a sentry point, if so that’s really nothing to be proud of.

The sentry must be near a keep or something and what is bad about defending our things?Its pretty funny when people come alone try to cap it and die to an ac over and over again.I’m proud of it cuz is fun and thats what everybody want.

You are completely missing the point. Do I need to blob a sentry, sentries are usually easy to solo. Unless however the other team has siege placed there. Don’t you worry though, I gave only one loot bag to the poor soul that sat there waiting ( it was the sentry in the south ruins on borderlands, he was up on the vista) so no keep in the area. If it wasn’t you personally who built the arrow cart and felt the need to siege a sentry point, I really fail to see the point in defending an action so hopelessly pathetic

suprNovae.5410:

warriorjrd.8695:

lets try and get a bit more fun and skill involved in the game shall we?

How? Zerging with equal numbers?
I have a dream that one day we will organize a ZvZ. A zerg versus zerg!
60 vs 60. Let’s find out which pug raid is the best!

Well as a player from a respected wvw guild I do hope you aren’t defending the act of placing arrow carts to hit a sentry point. The fact you think hiding behind a wall and just building arrow carts rather that pushing the enemy in an open field fight is horrible. And every server blobs so the 60v60 happens often, so long as Elona dont become viz and run from fights to the safety of their arrow carted towers.

rotsono.9176:

warriorjrd.8695:

I’m actually starting to think Elona taught Vizunah how to use arrow carts. 10 minutes into reset night elona has 3+ ac’s defending their wooden hills. Now tonight im roaming around solo in Elona bl and I go to cap a sentry. As soon as I step foot in the ring I have arrow carts raining down on me.

I mean I know you guys must be proud of your blue border and I know you must really like your sentries, but lets try and get a bit more fun and skill involved in the game shall we?

Well,we do what is needed to keep our points.Actually we got lots of fun.

I guess you gave out the command to siege up a sentry then? “ARROW CARTS!! ARROW CARTS!!! SIEGE UP THE SENTRIES! GOD FORBID WE LOSE ONE” Has Elona really dropped low enough to siege up a sentry point, if so that’s really nothing to be proud of.

I’m actually starting to think Elona taught Vizunah how to use arrow carts. 10 minutes into reset night elona has 3+ ac’s defending their wooden hills. Now tonight im roaming around solo in Elona bl and I go to cap a sentry. As soon as I step foot in the ring I have arrow carts raining down on me.

I mean I know you guys must be proud of your blue border and I know you must really like your sentries, but lets try and get a bit more fun and skill involved in the game shall we?

Kurppa.9473:

BB keep at EB is seriously bugged atm, like whole our group glitched inside, even me while using golem. My apologies if some tried to kill siege or something, we asked many times in chat all to get out asap.

Not just BB keep, BB was attacking sm later on and one of them was downed on the other side of the gate while it was still up. I doubt he was hacking because i had heard people were glitching through the gate before.

danbuter.2314:

If you want to fight underwater, play an engineer. Engies curbstomp anyone underwater.

False, if you want to fight underwater play a ranger. People think mesmers can stack bleeds? That’s cute.

Well to be fair, they are all “Juvenile” pets. Which means they are the young version of the animal they are.

The VVrex bug is at it again it seems, trying to destroy more and more servers. Well I can hardly say that I am surprised IRON do enjoy kitten ing people off for their own enjoyment. With Wrex’s famous line of " How dare you enjoy the game you paid for?" IRON never takes into account that their “enjoyment” is coming at the cost of others.

We get stuck with Viz for god knows how many months, then on the second week of new matchups we.. I need a moment sniff

Righteous Sen.1053:

Velron.3729:

Lol @ all this they are the “real” PVP players.

tPVP is more about moving between points to create the 3v2 in your favor than it is about actual PVP.

Open field WvW fighting is more PVP than tPVP ever will be until it gets a mode other than conquest borefest.

Lol, no, just no.

Tpvp is a game of skill, while wvw is more a game of, who has the biggest group and can swarm the other.

Yeah, that’s why good wvw guilds can wipe zergs twice their size

silvos.3092:

Skyllar.3562:

so what is our “level” you are talking about?^^

The one you had or the one you showed last time?

If it’s the first I talk about the elona that resisted us in fights, not leaving us one inch of ground without a hard fight and not giving up even though outnumbered. The elona breaking through our doors after killing one entire zerg of our people. The elona with a certain sense of honour and skilled players at all level (from commanders to “simple” fighter).

If it’s the second I talk about the elona I saw last time with unskilled players in de-organised zergs with poor strategic choices we rolled on without even noticing and so providing no fun at all…The elona desperately trying to stop us with a mass of siege weapons (from what I heard it didn’t change though the up of AC might play in your favour this time) and ceasing to fight after few defeats only…

For me it was just black and white. And if I have a deep respect for the first I consider the second has no place in high tier WvW… I’m just waiting for an interesting matchup (the last I can remember was 4 months ago). If you can give me one I’ll be very happy…But the elona I saw last time was not worth the fight(exept for the loot but I don’t go in WvW to farm…)

Thing is you need to change YOUR server, not change others. Maybe if instead of steamrolling people when they sleep and cap towers with 9 golems, PVD etc ( Do i really need to go on?) I mean if you guys change the way you play and stop playing the way you do, maybe, just maaaayybee some servers will want to fight you.

Oh you like IRON now do you? Well a word to the wise, don’t give them (Wrex) any sort of power in the server, you will regret it when she has one of her frequent temper tantrums.

This is an amazing idea and I really hope a dev sees this