Guild Wars 2

Silent Shino.7239:

warriorjrd.8695:

Ironvos.9014:

Victim.3016:

GvG players play more WvW than you mate.

If only that was true so GvG’s could be organised outside of primetime.
Instead of having que’s everywhere and looking on twitch to see 40 or more people of your server behind the windmill.

There is no GvG that consists of 40 people on one side, so the 40 was made of spectators as well, and thats not the guilds fault. As for GvGers doing more wvw than most, that’s true, do you think they only turn on their computers and run the game when there is a GvG? GvGers are hardcore wvwers as well.
If you want to blame the queues on anybody look towards the pve players that came purely for the achievements.

if you include spectators, then that can add up to 40

Yes but spectators cant be blamed on the guild. I actually don’t like spectators when I gvg because a lot of times they accidentally or intentionally interfere.

Ironvos.9014:

Victim.3016:

GvG players play more WvW than you mate.

If only that was true so GvG’s could be organised outside of primetime.
Instead of having que’s everywhere and looking on twitch to see 40 or more people of your server behind the windmill.

There is no GvG that consists of 40 people on one side, so the 40 was made of spectators as well, and thats not the guilds fault. As for GvGers doing more wvw than most, that’s true, do you think they only turn on their computers and run the game when there is a GvG? GvGers are hardcore wvwers as well.
If you want to blame the queues on anybody look towards the pve players that came purely for the achievements.

Ironvos.9014:

Sure hope Anet releases the GvG area soon so GvG guilds don’t take up room anymore from wvw players.

You think GvG guild only play the game when they get a GvG? GvG guilds make up the majority of a wvw force on most servers.

ithinkimhaunted.7412:

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Hmmm, I was hoping this was a legit post.

Same here, seems like this thread is more of the same old QQ about server transfers. Thats just the way it works. People want to win, its not anets fault people are going to transfer servers to win. Besides, server transfers keep the wvw community from getting stagnant. Its a good thing.

@ OP: It is unfortunate that you’re at the bottom of silver league. But this is a competition, some one has to lose. If you’re really that upset over it then you should have transfered.

Anet didnt screw your server. The hardcore wvw guilds that transfered because they wanted to win screwed your server.

Anet lowered the prices for transfers before the season started, they were looking for some extra cash. Anet must have forseen how this would tear servers apart. Yes people want to win, and when you have people wanting to win and them being able to change teams, you can massive balance issues. Underworld is in a horrible state atm and I feel really bad for them. You may look at like people just want to win, but what happens when everybody transfers to the winning servers? cough NA t1 cough Any fight with them and another server lower ranked is a complete blow out, how is that fun for anybody?

Tietus.8013:

Svarty.8019:

Deli.1302:

If you’re going to change the way waypoints work then you’re going to have to do something about golems (alphas and omegas) and ram mastery.

Golems and traited superior rams currently burn gates down (reinforced or not) faster than a defensive force can get there.

I concur.

This emphasises the problem with power creep on the siege weaponry due to WXP abilities. Defensive stuff such as door and wall hitpoints/toughness haven’t kept pace.

Siege weapon mastery is a 2-edged sword. With ram mastery, I’ll quite happily sit under the fire of 1-2 superior ACs manned by non-masters, but I’ll need heals if there are masters on them. Same thing with traits like supply stripping on trebs – toss a couple of cows on the door before the attackers can get their rams down/built and you are in a strong position.

I take your point though that in an undefended situation, the masteries make it too easy to melt a door and not give defenders a chance to respond. Maybe a new mastery that makes reinforced doors/walls, guards, and fortification x% stronger (determined at the time the upgrade is ordered – and award wxp to the person ordering it )?

Or just give us an option to make t3 gates. Nobody ever goes after walls once they are fortified, the doors are the obvious weak spot, and the fact that a reinforced gate can melt in less than a minute with superior rams and a blob backing it, is IMO a waste of money on that upgrade. Maybe add some new structural upgrades or something to counter balance the siege masteries we are seeing.

iorlas.6721:

MagnusLL.8473:

AtomicDan.9253:

As a Deso player myself, I have to agree. There is no way we should be in silver, after seeing the amount of players we can throw at this. Next league I fully expect us to be in gold, whether we like it or not.

Really now. And where were all those innumerable legions when we were getting creamed by every other server in gold league?

You’re conveniently ignoring the colossal boost given to our numbers by the WvW achievements which have drawn the server’s massive PvE population into the queues. Not to mention, as usual, the fairweathers reappering as soon as we’re on the winning side again.

Let’s wait a couple more weeks, after most of the AP hunters have gotten all their achievements done, before declaring that Deso’s WvW population can once again stand against the massive coverage of gold league servers…

I guess they where hiding for the weeks you tanked your match’s to drop to silver league.Still trying to use the pathetic we have lot’s of pve’rs excuse.

We told them to hide in lions arch crafting ascended weapons in secret for months, so when the time came the Gold league deso blob would activate and be ready for total domination. Each guild leader of deso sent in a bribe to anet and they rigged the scores in our favour. We hired professional hackers to give the enemy skill lag and falsely bolster our numbers.

You can add that to Chapter two of your story

Props to the mesmer from General Underworld mayhem, you didn’t stomp me and bowed. We need more roamers like you!

Gandara you almost took our eb keep, so I called our gold league blob out of hiding, good thing I have them on speed dial

Lutto.8745:

warriorjrd.8695:

304511kittento.8745:

warriorjrd.8695:

Oh mai gawd, like did Gandara wake up or something?? They are purposely tanking so they can get like ez winz in silver league. U guise should so be in gold league, pfft, i can’t wait till Gandara gets there massive population and starts trolling on the forumz “hehe u guys are gona lose trolololol”

Or deso is not playing because you get so much kitten for tanking to silver league and want to make sure everyones sees that you “belong” here.

Wow you have a good imagination don’t you? Tell me, what is the first thing you think of when I say umbrella? Im sure it will be something related to deso tanking so please, entertain me. One more thing, when we don’t win silver league will you stand by what you say?

Youre funny and yes I will.

Wow, you’re a smart one aren’t you, so even if we didn’t win silver league you would still say we are a gold league server.

IDarko.4709:

warriorjrd.8695:

IDarko.4709:

A lot of misinformation and hypocrisy.

First of all, Deso is not the only big PvE server in EU. Actually, for the first 6 months of the games lifespan, Gandara was THE PvE server and Deso was THE sPvP and ENG speaking WvW server. So right now, one can argue if Gandara or Deso is the biggest PvE server at this moment in time. But it doesn’t even really matter. Because…

Gandara lacks PvP players (A lot of guilds are PvX and our PvP playerbase is non existant). Heck, i used to be in the top 5 of Gandara sPvP, and i barely did any tournies. It was extremely obvious when the PvE patch hits last tuesday. Only a few WvW guilds remained in the maps and barely any other players. Almost everyone was outside of WvW. Deso doesn’t have this problem as much. Deso has tons of pure PvP players who don’t care about PvE at all. This is a huge difference!!

But please, believe what you want. I don’t care about tanking or whatever weird theories people have but simply based on the type of players that the two servers have, it’s obvious that Deso has an advantage in silver league.

Don’t deny what is obvious. It only makes it worse.

Mate, Gandara might have a large pve population, but I can assure you, if you lose people from wvw to pve, we lose more. Hell we killed tequatl first out of any EU server and every time, no matter what time of the day, i go into sparkfly fen, there is an overflow.
We’ve had a massive pve population since beta, and if we had all those pve’rs come into wvw we might have beaten vizunah in the 60 times we faced them.

The fact is you cant use SERVER population to determine WVW population, if that was the case we should have been able to beat SFR or viz.

Exactly, glad you agree. When Gandara loses PvE players coz of updates etc., we are screwed with like 3 empty maps. But Deso is still ticking strong with their dedicated PvP playerbase. Deso (PvP)WvW population is higher and we just have to deal with that. Hopefully, no PvE patch in the week we face you.

Do you honestly think half of the spvpers play wvw? If that was the case, deso being the spvp capitol should be the wvw capitol too

Xenn.3809:

warriorjrd.8695:

Xenn.3809:

warriorjrd.8695:

Deso is not the same as we used to be. Months ago when we roflstomped you we had a happy crew called DVG pvdooring us to victory. They were our night/morning crew and it was because of them we were able to sweep the floor with you. However, they left the server….

Aside from quoting Dranul thinking was a Gandaran (would be nice, but no thanks, enjoy fighting TUP when we can) you don’t have some facts right either. You are ahead because of your night crew (may not be called DVG as they left, but at night someone PvDs), you been ticking fancy high number while Europe sleeps, so you still have that force – maybe they where the ones tanking and hiding till you made you secure place in SL.

On primetime is been fun fighting Deso, has lots of good fighters in it – even though some night you went quiet and the amount of tea bagging is the highest I ever seen.

Gandara was winning the matchup for the first half of the week. We’ve had the same players playing the whole, we didn’t “wake” up, it seems instead gandara went to sleep.
You can try and say you have less wvw population because of pve, but deso is the pve capital, if you lost people to pve, we lost more.

Did I say anything about PvE population? Don’t think so… just said that your night crew (as in 3am-5am) is back in business now because is when you make the points… as you well point out while Gandara goes to sleep.

No drama, no moaning, just pointing out how you got in front – and I’m sorry, but you can’t say WE lost or won anything, since this things happen when no people are around to defend, reverse goes for primetime, we have more ppl than you do.

On a final note, I don’t give a kitten about points, but dislike ppl bragging about it when really is out of servers capacities to do anything… its just coverage.

We’ve had the same people playing at the time you stated the entire week, no big boost. Now at the time i’m posting this Gandara is only 4k behind deso and ticking 4x higher than us, that’s a pretty close matchup. So all these people saying that deso is a gold server because we took the lead you held for the start and are now taking back are foolish. Like i said, we have maybe 15 players running around at those times, not some massive karma train, most of what we did was upgrade our stuff, which is why we had three waypoints in deso bl. If gandara win this matchup what will you say then? That we tanked this matchup to?

IDarko.4709:

A lot of misinformation and hypocrisy.

First of all, Deso is not the only big PvE server in EU. Actually, for the first 6 months of the games lifespan, Gandara was THE PvE server and Deso was THE sPvP and ENG speaking WvW server. So right now, one can argue if Gandara or Deso is the biggest PvE server at this moment in time. But it doesn’t even really matter. Because…

Gandara lacks PvP players (A lot of guilds are PvX and our PvP playerbase is non existant). Heck, i used to be in the top 5 of Gandara sPvP, and i barely did any tournies. It was extremely obvious when the PvE patch hits last tuesday. Only a few WvW guilds remained in the maps and barely any other players. Almost everyone was outside of WvW. Deso doesn’t have this problem as much. Deso has tons of pure PvP players who don’t care about PvE at all. This is a huge difference!!

But please, believe what you want. I don’t care about tanking or whatever weird theories people have but simply based on the type of players that the two servers have, it’s obvious that Deso has an advantage in silver league.

Don’t deny what is obvious. It only makes it worse.

Mate, Gandara might have a large pve population, but I can assure you, if you lose people from wvw to pve, we lose more. Hell we killed tequatl first out of any EU server and every time, no matter what time of the day, i go into sparkfly fen, there is an overflow.
We’ve had a massive pve population since beta, and if we had all those pve’rs come into wvw we might have beaten vizunah in the 60 times we faced them.

The fact is you cant use SERVER population to determine WVW population, if that was the case we should have been able to beat SFR or viz.

Lutto.8745:

warriorjrd.8695:

Oh mai gawd, like did Gandara wake up or something?? They are purposely tanking so they can get like ez winz in silver league. U guise should so be in gold league, pfft, i can’t wait till Gandara gets there massive population and starts trolling on the forumz “hehe u guys are gona lose trolololol”

Or deso is not playing because you get so much kitten for tanking to silver league and want to make sure everyones sees that you “belong” here.

Or maybe it’s the fact Gandara has the ability to beat us, I mean, you were ahead of us by 30k at the start of the week. That is an easy lead to hold for any server. Perhaps you’re losing because it’s YOU who didn’t want to go up into gold. See I can come up with theories myself.

Lutto.8745:

warriorjrd.8695:

Oh mai gawd, like did Gandara wake up or something?? They are purposely tanking so they can get like ez winz in silver league. U guise should so be in gold league, pfft, i can’t wait till Gandara gets there massive population and starts trolling on the forumz “hehe u guys are gona lose trolololol”

Or deso is not playing because you get so much kitten for tanking to silver league and want to make sure everyones sees that you “belong” here.

Wow you have a good imagination don’t you? Tell me, what is the first thing you think of when I say umbrella? Im sure it will be something related to deso tanking so please, entertain me. One more thing, when we don’t win silver league will you stand by what you say?

iorlas.6721:

Lelith.2916:

Seriously get over yourselves. I am sick of whining about Deso tanking… I am one of the guild leaders on the wvw alliance and yes, we did plan to drop to silver we planned to drop and have been trying to for months, we don’t have the coverage of the gold league servers and plain and simply don’t want to be stomped for 7 weeks, it would kill off whatever wvw groups there are remaining. We can’t control the more pve orientated players though and of course some will poke their noses in WvW as we are moving into better matchups for us. You could also blame Anet for introducing a friggin living story content into WvW areas, that will drag those players that chase ap’s, so yes at the moment it is quite likely that we are seeing more pve players in wvw than normal. Give it time, let people get these achievements done and we’ll see how we end up. As for all those moaning.. put yourselves in our position, would you really want to fight servers with more WvW poulation than you for 7 weeks.. in matchups you have relatively no chance of competing in, not one of you is on Deso to actually see the overall picture so stop the kittening. Deal with it, simple as that.

I personally look forward to the season start, I want to be fighting guild groups with minimal lag and fewer blobs, can anyone say different? you want to team up against us feel free, we won’t complain, at least not the actual WvW’ers won’t.

As for the comment earlier asking how we kept the true WvW players happy while supposedly ‘tanking’.. thats quite simple.. they never left.. those WvW’ers on Deso were in WvW fighting just as they normally do. It’s the PvE’ers that cause the fluctuation in numbers.

What a crock of crap..you purposefully tanked matches.YOU don’t want to be trampled for 7 weeks,well surprise surfukinprise nor do we but you have no qualms about doing it.

Did we purposely tank matches, or did we lose because we lost more than half our wvw guilds? If you’re off the server you can’t really tell. Now if when the league is over and we don’t win silver league, will you at least admit how stupid you are thinking we have some kind of hidden army and it’s some great conspiracy.

Oh mai gawd, like did Gandara wake up or something?? They are purposely tanking so they can get like ez winz in silver league. U guise should so be in gold league, pfft, i can’t wait till Gandara gets there massive population and starts trolling on the forumz “hehe u guys are gona lose trolololol”

Xenn.3809:

warriorjrd.8695:

Deso is not the same as we used to be. Months ago when we roflstomped you we had a happy crew called DVG pvdooring us to victory. They were our night/morning crew and it was because of them we were able to sweep the floor with you. However, they left the server….

Aside from quoting Dranul thinking was a Gandaran (would be nice, but no thanks, enjoy fighting TUP when we can) you don’t have some facts right either. You are ahead because of your night crew (may not be called DVG as they left, but at night someone PvDs), you been ticking fancy high number while Europe sleeps, so you still have that force – maybe they where the ones tanking and hiding till you made you secure place in SL.

On primetime is been fun fighting Deso, has lots of good fighters in it – even though some night you went quiet and the amount of tea bagging is the highest I ever seen.

Gandara was winning the matchup for the first half of the week. We’ve had the same players playing the whole, we didn’t “wake” up, it seems instead gandara went to sleep.
You can try and say you have less wvw population because of pve, but deso is the pve capital, if you lost people to pve, we lost more.

It seems I replied to dranul and said what I meant to reply to someone else, my apologies. However the statement remains true. You were winning by over 20k at the start, and we caught up. You have no one to blame but yourself. I can remember one night however when we were ticking around 500 for nearly 4 hours straight. I was part of the maybe 15 people on ts that got us that, and to be fair, yes it was PVD, but mostly I was upgrading what we took, and they rarely got attacked. That was the only night I was able to do that, every night before we faced opposition. We didn’t get numbers, you guys lost numbers. It doesn’t matter why you lost those numbers the fact is YOU lost them, so stop saying deso pulled out our guys like we forced them to do pve for weeks.

oblivious.8074:

Gandara is not tanking points we are a PVE server and this always happen when they release a PVE event thing.

new living story = less gandara WvW population.

I do agree however that Deso and Blobaddon should be in Gold league.

You’re trying to say you’re a PVE server as an excuse when in the same match up with Desolation? You’re kidding right?

Dranul.2094:

So deso finally woke up? Finally stop pretending you are a silver league server?

I do await your forum trolls in the first week of the season, with lines similar too..

“hahahaha you silver folks gonna get owned!”

We all know you don’t belong here, that you have way more coverage than many servers above you, you played it well, you manipulated the scores – how on earth you kept true WvW’rs happy though with deliberate losing I don’t know! Your huge pve population thanks you, and they look forward to rank#1 silver loot bags at the end of the week.

In before their trolls gloat how they fooled everyone, you don’t fool no one

I hope the true bros of Silver league make a good showing against both Abbadon and Desolation. The double teaming and potential drama and backstabbing a season will bring is interesting.

Maybe if you weren’t crying like a 2 year old on the forums you could actually play the game like you did at the start of the week, you know, that time when you were ahead of us by 25k. Are you sad we’ve caught up? I’ve actually heard rumours that Gandara didn’t want to win this week in case they jumped up to gold league.

Deso is not the same as we used to be. Months ago when we roflstomped you we had a happy crew called DVG pvdooring us to victory. They were our night/morning crew and it was because of them we were able to sweep the floor with you. However, they left the server, and so did Coin, AFTL, War, and FG. So please, kindly shutup and keep playing the game. I’m actually really surprised you guys let us catch up by this much, you had over 20k on us and now we are winning.

A common defence mechanism people use when they are frustrated with their failures is to use displacement, taking it out on somebody else. It seems you are very sad that you had lost your lead but during silver league I would recommend actually fighting against us in game rather than on the forums, it’s usually more effective.

PS: keep in mind you guys were winning, and had you kept up that pressure there was no way we would have caught up. You are however probably the fairest matchup deso has had in a long time, so I commend you for that, so during the league keep up the pressure the entire week rather than half

Immolator.5640:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

canadez.5328:

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

canadez.5328:

iorlas.6721:

deso tanked to get into silver they have more than enough to push for top spot,watch em all come outa the woodwork once the league starts.

Actually Desolation and Underworld did send out the majority of their WvW Guilds to other servers so they don’t move up or stay in Gold League. Simply not to raise suspicion. Those tricky kittens. I’ll tell you all guilds will return to their home server on thursday. Rumours say even IRON will go back to Desolation.

I’d be surprised if IRON came back, they burned many bridges as it is.
Yes we’ve overtaken Gandara overnight, but Gandara also has a big PVE population waiting for the leagues to start, I doubt they’ll be many transfers in for us as compared to everyone else who is not 1800 gems like us.

Yes, the irony heh? Its a master plan. PVE population is the key.

- dropping in ranks as fast as Ins Paintrain
- PVE players stocking up on gold for massive transfers
- the sudden uprising this matchup

It all fits together like a puzzle. Man, big things are going down! IRON used NA just for training purposes. You gotta do what you gotta do for those big prizes in Silver League.

And as a sidenote Crimson as a fellow Desolation player you should know better ,)

I am Rubio by the way..
‘Blobbadons’ will most likely come out top even though these guys are even more squishy than vizunah as they will have the superior coverage, but the way the rating system and how the player population counts the overall population, there is going to be a few surprises.
I’m not sure about the xfer cost of other servers, but reading a bit earlier today FSP has an NA guild now.

I seriously had a lol moment when I saw a Dezerkerlation player posting this xD

Awww, did you come up with that name all by yourself? Well we have a lot of pve players coming to wvw, and they probably do run full zerk tbh. But every server has it’s squishies, I can’t even count the amount of Gandara i’ve blown up this week on my “useless” ranger

Immolator.5640:

Those evil Deso mesmers jumping on our zergs… seriously?

On behalf of deso I sincerely apologize FOR EVERY MESMER WHO HAS USED THIS, INCLUDING GANDARA. Please tell me why deso is the only server with mesmers…

Maskaganda.2043:

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638:

Maskaganda.2043:

looks like it’s going to be a boring week again. come back vizunah, all is forgiven.

Be careful what you wish for, Fella!

9. Kodash 1 701.055 -7.897 9
10. Gandara 1 652.504 16.081 12

bring it on.

sounds better than going around for hours without finding a single decent fight as borderlands are painted green and we tick at 400+.

and then the easy mode pve karma train arrives and scares any possible fights away while making sure we have queues starting at 7pm.

we need some more vizunah.

As soon as any “karam train” faces any strong resistance it crumbles, especailly the ones at night. Vizunah would blob you when you wanted to do a some pvd lowbie leveling and half the people would just leave. I’ve watched it happen before, as soon as there is opposition half the people leave.

Magnetron.5823:

Anet when are you guys doing something about the so called population in WvW servers?

Desolation is a Very High status world but has low WvW players, so this way we will never get any new guilds to our server because they need to pay the full price.

I am a player in Desolation and I play both PVE and WvW, but I don’t want to move to another server to start all over again and leave my friends there..

Why do guilds have to pay the insane amount of gems to join a low WvW server, I do not understand why you are not setting the population to WvW.

Everyone can free guest anyway right? So whats the point? Please explain it to me..

No idea why you guys don’t see this, maybe dollar signs.. but this way people rather quit then pay the full amount for a low WvW server..

We have lost a few guilds recently and that has affected our night coverage, however I would say in prime time we aren’t that much different than before. One other thing, while we do have an extreme pve population and a low wvw population, there is no way to measure it effectively. Our wvw population can be very high sometimes and other time it’s very low. The only way we could do this is to separate wvw servers from pve servers entirely, so when you transfer you transfer to the wvw server. I doubt that would ever happen though.

THAT TONIGHTS GONA BE A GOOOOD NIIIGHT

Obsidian.1328:

warriorjrd.8695:

The best way to utilize a pet atm is use it purely for buffs, or conditons. Red moa= 15s fury. Sylvan hound=11 regen, blue moa=4s protection. Those are all AOE capped @ 5 players.

For zerg warfare, absolutely.

The canines and drakes are pretty useful in small-man for their CC’s though.

For solo roamer, anything will do really.

I don’t RP…like at all. But I really hate having to choose a pink ostrich or a rainbow-colored hound if I want group buffs. They’re so darn ridiculous looking. Why can’t we choose the F2’s for each pet again?

Lol, yeah when I run red moa I feel a little foolish, but I try and laugh it off by naming is dumb chicken But they don’t look down on it after they get that 15s fury

Warrior can get 90%+ -condition duration against immob,cripple,chill. Binding roots can be killed with like 3 auto attacks on a tanky build, and that’s if they don’t do one of their frequent bugs. Muddy terrain is an extremely useful utility, but to call it OP is to say static feild is too. Or earthshaker, or anything else that would impede movement.

Please, rangers aren’t in the best state atm, so try and refrain from saying anything we use is OP. Sure spirits were OP before the patch, but they nerfed them so hard that now they are useless. That’s not balance, that’s just removing one more viable build in a ranger’s already dwindling choices.

Phoebe Ascension.8437:

Dogged march + poultry soup + Rune of Melandru. And healing signet.

Bye bye Chopps. And way more warriors run this then you realize, so if you havent been wiped by them yet you are a very lucky ranger.

Pheobe, stahp. First off, warriors like the one you just described are extremely easy if you can avoid the cc and keep distance, very easy for a ranger. As for weapons in zerg, I’d have expected you to know this, you’ve let me down. Sword in a zerg is extremely useful, zerg weapons don’t have to be like a ele or necro staff with 4/5 skills AOE. Ranger can wreck enemy ranged units like ele’s necros, and mes. They can be very squishy, and with the right build you can blow them up very quick.

Pet’s are another issue, but if you’re trying to use a pet for damage in wvw zerg, you’re using it wrong. Every single ranger who has ever played wvw and run in a zerg knows your pet gets insta nuked. So why would you rely on its damage? The best way to utilize a pet atm is use it purely for buffs, or conditons. Red moa= 15s fury. Sylvan hound=11 regen, blue moa=4s protection. Those are all AOE capped @ 5 players. I could continue but unfortunately this has a character limit.

Piercing arrows is heavily reliant on who and how you target. Say you have 10 people in a line behind each other facing you. If you target the first person in line your arrow won’t travel as far as you haven’t targeted a far target. IF however you target the final player, the arrow will travel through them all until it reaches the target so long as it’s within range. Takes a bit of practice but I’m sure you’ll get there

Ranger has a pet. Majority of rangers seem to be unable to micro manage their pet. Sure we only have attack command, retreat and the special ability. However if you want your pet to stay alive try passive mode, you’ll find its beautiful.

Sororita.3465:

Well had some sleep and no longer full of kitten and vinegar about the subject….

Necros are good in Zergs, much like any other class. You could be the worst player alive and still do well, just due to the sheer amount of meat shielding going on. I can run full berserker well bombing if i want and never die. Doesnt make me a good player, just means i know to allow other people to take the damage while i snipe from the back, which is insanely boring to me.

1v1, i used to have no complaining about this, my biggest gripes with this now are thieves who manage to stay stealthed half the time and then me blinded the other ( no im not standing in black powder). They always have the uncaanny ability to go stealth at 5-10% life with a full range of conditions on them, only to come out of stealth a few seconds later, full hp, no conditions and destroying my health.

Small group,2-5 players. This is what im really complaining about. The amount of small man teams that run tons of heavy classes is really annoying. Once they catch up to me, which they will due to my poor mobility as a necro, im CC’d to death without any hope of being able to do anything.
Stun breakers are useless because theyre on such long cooldowns compared to the amount of knockbacks some classes can have. Ill use it and then bam, on the floor a second later again. It is true that a necro can get 3 seconds of stability every 7 seconds, if the necro spends 30 points into their +crit damage tree, which is entirely wasted on any condition necromancer especially if theyre running dire armor.

Deathshroud isnt anywhere near as good as it once was, i have 120% of my life as life force. 25,000*1.20=30,000 effective health while in dreathsroud. Yet i can be full deathshroud and be knocked out of it within a few seconds from just one enemy player. I would like to make some sense of this but because the combat log is so bad i only see about a quarter of any damage done to me.

Anyways im rambling, heres my main gripes: (sounds like it should be in the necro forums but the devs never go there).

-Small man roaming sucks as a necro unless you have other classes to rely on, necros bring nothing to the table as group utility.
-With deathshroud being the way it is and the lack of dodges, healing and stability options if a necro is targeted by more than 2 players well be as good as dead (unlike some classes i see tank multiple people). Deathshrouds cooldown is too long, if its suppose to be the necro answer to dodge mechanics its very lacking, 10 secs is too long. Couple it with the fact that it degrades over time and only a few builds can regen it efficently…rather have vigor sometimes.
-The lack of defensive options is also compounded by the fact that the necros best defense is a good offense. sadly due to the ease of which some classes have to stability, it totally negates our offensive defense. Not to mention that necros have the shortest fears in the game when its obviously the main focus of the class. (thief fear 4 seconds, my fear is 1 3/4 seconds according to the tool tip with 80% condition duration)
-power builds lack a lot of things, the main thing being mobility. You cannot simply chase down a lot of classes. Our teleports only move us back and DS#2 is so slow that people just out run it. If you catch up to a necro, it more than likely youll be able to stay on them.
- the amount of condition cleansing that goes on.

From what i learned in this thread:
-i should only 1v1 people or stay in a zerg.
-Necros are meant to be at the center of a zerg.
-i need to know how to play.
-Necros need a nerf.

If you’re complaining about stun warriors 1v1, I can relate. Those are OP 1v1 and can be really annoying, your best chance against them though is stability/stun breaks and lots of conditions.

Necro’s are OP for zergs, you shouldn’t be complaining =p

LMAO, mate, are you actually saying something that a ranger uses is OP, Im confused. Roots have 2k hp if you cant destroy em L2P. Also if you want OP mr.magnetron shall i point you towards the perma-stun warrior meta that a lot of people are using, I’m sure skullcrack can take out roots real easy. You should try that instead.

Pegaasus.3280:

so tell me your builds pro rangers…rofl

http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fMAQNAT8XjAVJ2RWGWo2Bi1DCFoB1UkJzzUwfGVwqD-jUyAYLBZCCAZBi+AnALiGbhrIasKdioa9Cm7oIa1SBUuwI-w

Im sure you though of that though, through all your extensive hours played on ranger..

Pegaasus.3280:

Ranger simply sucks..i’ m a rank 282 in wvw..so I ’ m not the last ranger in this game..Spent tons of gold on runes, gear, sigils…and no way..this class is simply broken.
How can a thief hit me for 5k while i have 3600 armor?^
ok thief is op but seriously..Arenanet nerfed our pets and our spirits..there is no hope for this class. Arenanet simply hates ragers

Lol you really cant play this class can you? If a thief hits you for 5k with that much armour he has to be squishy as kitten, in which case you should have no issues. The fact you’re just another one of those noobs who say “theif OP ermahgerd nerf, stealth OP i cant play cry” Please, I’ve played the class for much longer than you can safely say you suck.

I’m a ranger rank 402, and have played since beta, trust me I know what I’m talking about. Learn to play. I roflstomp anything except condition specs 1v1 in wvw, I can also support my team very well. It’s a shame that in such a long period you are still blind.

lmaogg.7325:

warriorjrd.8695:

Overthrust.2659:

the ranger is in a bad position, mostly because 40 percent of your dmg is dead crawling in your legs 90 percent of the time (the other 10 is inmobile after pet swap) also all our traits are garbage for that dead pet and the rest are just nonsense that requirse you be half dead to trigger, on top of that nerfed weapons…. we have nothing to support a zerg. Icould go on all day long but Im tired and currently leveling my warrior permastun with 4kdmg without dimishing returns inmune to conditions with endure pain invulnerability

So basically, because you can’t learn the class you reroll to the most broken class ingame currently running one of the easiest and arguably OP builds in game. Also has Anet EVER confirmed this 40% of damage is the pet, or are you just saying it because you saw the number somewhere?
It takes a keen eye to spot what we can do to support a zerg, but if you won’t put in the effort then it’s probably best you don’t represent a ranger, enjoy you perma-stun warrior though, I know it requires skill for that

You made it sound like 70% of the rangers qq-ing here bout the class are bad players.. oh please, if something is actually bad just face it and admit it..

Mate, I’ve put the time and effort into finding viable builds for wvw. I’ve made several, and the only thing bad about each is the pet. I know the pet is garbage, but honestly other than that we’re not that bad off.

Bamjam.2046:

Glad this matchup is almost over.. Most boring week ever.
Ive only met 1 guy while roaming who put up a good fight, the rest where dead before they even knew what hit them.
Then they come back with 2 more ppl only to get there kitten handed to them in a 1v3 lolol.

Zerg more it makes you really good at pvp!!

Hope we get to meet Gandara again next week atleast they got some good roamers running around.

I agree, I don’t think Jade and Elona know what the word “roamer” means

Overthrust.2659:

the ranger is in a bad position, mostly because 40 percent of your dmg is dead crawling in your legs 90 percent of the time (the other 10 is inmobile after pet swap) also all our traits are garbage for that dead pet and the rest are just nonsense that requirse you be half dead to trigger, on top of that nerfed weapons…. we have nothing to support a zerg. Icould go on all day long but Im tired and currently leveling my warrior permastun with 4kdmg without dimishing returns inmune to conditions with endure pain invulnerability

So basically, because you can’t learn the class you reroll to the most broken class ingame currently running one of the easiest and arguably OP builds in game. Also has Anet EVER confirmed this 40% of damage is the pet, or are you just saying it because you saw the number somewhere?
It takes a keen eye to spot what we can do to support a zerg, but if you won’t put in the effort then it’s probably best you don’t represent a ranger, enjoy you perma-stun warrior though, I know it requires skill for that

Khally.5103:

warriorjrd.8695:

LJMaster.6214:

You know you all have that weird Internet stalker, the person who goes out his way to check other server’s match ups just to reply to you, the guy who probably has posters of you on his wall and a little shrine. The guy who is so obsessed with you that he writes your character name again and again on his school work, the guy who just wants to be you.

Meet mine ladies and gentlemen .

Kind of gutted that WvW was broke tonight, was commanding my first raid for a week! On the plus side I turned up 30 minutes late so there might have been a bit of hate. Not entirely the worst scenario!

Yeah you know the guys who know your real name and have a picture of you, and every time they mention you they have to use your real name. Those guys, they really get me. and then they make a thread about said person on their website, well, im flattered but back off mate. I didn’t come here just for you, not worth my time.

Not only did you, in fact, come just to try and have a swing at Joey, you failed horribly at it. Now, can you please let it go?

I didn’t even know Joey posted, stop thinking I would waste my time just to come here and do that. I came to read the thread and saw that he posted, was a simple coincidence.

LJMaster.6214:

You know you all have that weird Internet stalker, the person who goes out his way to check other server’s match ups just to reply to you, the guy who probably has posters of you on his wall and a little shrine. The guy who is so obsessed with you that he writes your character name again and again on his school work, the guy who just wants to be you.

Meet mine ladies and gentlemen .

Kind of gutted that WvW was broke tonight, was commanding my first raid for a week! On the plus side I turned up 30 minutes late so there might have been a bit of hate. Not entirely the worst scenario!

Yeah you know the guys who know your real name and have a picture of you, and every time they mention you they have to use your real name. Those guys, they really get me. and then they make a thread about said person on their website, well, im flattered but back off mate. I didn’t come here just for you, not worth my time.

Devitz.2136:

warriorjrd.8695:

LJMaster.6214:

This is just ridiculously easy. Not only did I not die during our raid tonight, I didn’t even take any damage! Seriously guys, I’d work on your individual skill.

Stop being so elitist… Oh and I would imagine it’s hard for any attack to connect with you when you have 80 other players next to you.

You really didn’t catch the joke? WvW was closed tonight due to another ANET fail. Maybe not the best) but still had no intention to offend anybody.

Nah, was a little inside joke with the elitist part

LJMaster.6214:

This is just ridiculously easy. Not only did I not die during our raid tonight, I didn’t even take any damage! Seriously guys, I’d work on your individual skill.

Stop being so elitist… Oh and I would imagine it’s hard for any attack to connect with you when you have 80 other players next to you.

Forestnator.6298:

warriorjrd.8695:

Forestnator.6298:

warriorjrd.8695:

If we’re talking single target DPS, the ranger can match a theif’s and is far superior to an engi.

Hahahahahahaha. Ranger? DPS? Are you sure? My ranger is full zerker and I still need 40+ seconds for veteran undead giant in orr while my celestial engineer needs below 30 seconds. Yes, my celestial engi beats my zerker ranger in dps by far.

If it takes you that long to kill a veteran on zerker anything, you need to un-install the game, maybe tetris suits you?

a) I never use buff food for dps test
b) if you show me up below 30 sec with celestial gear we can talk again, if not then c)
c) I don’t talk with noobs

Full Celestial isn’t a DPS build, it’s got less than 3k attack kitten . If you want max DPS you run a build like in the video, not full celestial rubbish.

Forestnator.6298:

Very impressive. I just wonder how long it takes without elite. But never the less: impressive. How vialbe is it in dungons/fractals?

All the elite gives is fury,swiftness, stabilty, and 1 stack of might/pet attack, it wouldnt have made that much of a difference if he used it or not =p

Forestnator.6298:

warriorjrd.8695:

If we’re talking single target DPS, the ranger can match a theif’s and is far superior to an engi.

Hahahahahahaha. Ranger? DPS? Are you sure? My ranger is full zerker and I still need 40+ seconds for veteran undead giant in orr while my celestial engineer needs below 30 seconds. Yes, my celestial engi beats my zerker ranger in dps by far.

If it takes you that long to kill a veteran on zerker anything, you need to un-install the game, maybe tetris suits you?

Jackums.3496:

The Engineer is the most consistent across the aforementioned game modes, from the professions you mentioned. I’d go Engi, of those, for sure.

The Ranger is objectively one of the bottom classes in the game across all game types other than PvP. People exaggerate everything, good or bad, Ranger or not, but that doesn’t invalidate the complaints. Any class can be useful when in the hands of a good player, but that, again, doesn’t invalidate its issues. The Ranger has minimal utility and poor damage in comparison to other professions. It’ll perform better in small groups (ie. dungeons) than in larger groups (ie. WvW zerging), but is still not going to match the damage of something like a Warrior, or the utility of something like a Mesmer. It’s a jack of all trades, master of none sort of profession. The pet is also useless anywhere that you’ll be facing heavy AoE (dungeons, WvW, large events, etc), and the buffs they give don’t make up for the loss in DPS when you have to keep them out of the fight.

If we’re talking single target DPS, the ranger can match a theif’s and is far superior to an engi. Of course a ranger doesn’t beat a warrior for max dps, but then again, no class does… The main thing wrong with the ranger class is the pet. It makes up a portion of our damage and the majority of the time that damage from the pet is wasted. I can still out damage people without my pet, so saying we rangers lack dps is ignorant.
For solo roaming I would go with ranger, engi has nice conditions, but power/crit build wise, the ranger wins out. Of course if you really want a solo build just go with a perma stealth theif, that should get the job done..

Forestnator.6298:

warriorjrd.8695:

Snack.9315:

Avoid ranger at all costs. It’s the only profession with a broken class mechanic non-PvP. They’ll help a bit with the upcoming HP increase to pets, but that won’t solve all of the OTHER problems.
Engineers are great and versatile, if you don’t mind the buggy, malfunctioning skills here and there. And carpal tunnels.
I haven’t played a thief, so I don’t know what to say, other than the fact it has a high skill floor (one of the squishiest professions).

I agree that the ranger pet is broken, but other than that ranger can be extremely usefull.

How? Explofinisher? Kombo fields? Support? Vulnerability? Condition remove? Just how?

You clearly haven’t played a ranger.

I doubt this will even get read by a dev, but it’s a harmless buff so I don’t see why not.

Snack.9315:

Avoid ranger at all costs. It’s the only profession with a broken class mechanic non-PvP. They’ll help a bit with the upcoming HP increase to pets, but that won’t solve all of the OTHER problems.
Engineers are great and versatile, if you don’t mind the buggy, malfunctioning skills here and there. And carpal tunnels.
I haven’t played a thief, so I don’t know what to say, other than the fact it has a high skill floor (one of the squishiest professions).

I agree that the ranger pet is broken, but other than that ranger can be extremely usefull.

rainmakercano.3152:

¡Hi!
Thanks a lot to INVI for the greatest fun in the whole of the week. As a member of siN I must admit I’m not used to getting beaten up and a bit of that is not just fair but necessary to wake up and shake lazyness off. We just didn’t do a single thing well that night. Our regroups were terrible; our stacking and tracking just dreadful; our regular roster was decimated by absences. Our TS channel was silent in true shame. So congratulations on that, INVI, you woke us up and thus I’m EAGER to play some rematches against you once my confidence and that of my guildies is restored. We just tried our best today and had an awesome raid after a little (and again necessary) sermon from our RL.

Kind regards,

Karnage, guardian from [siN].

PS: your YT channel just got another subscriber.

Great fun on INVI’s side too! Really look forward to meeting you guys in the field again, it’s the most fun I’ve had in a long while, and excellent practice

Regardless of how much damage the pets do out of our total damage. It does need to be turned down. If anet refuses to tweak the AI then atleast make us be able to do more damage. for arguments sake, if it really is 40% then make it 20 or 30%. Rangers don’t really have many issues except for the pet AI, and because they account for a portion of our damage that usually gimps us hard.

Great fights with Bull tonight in BB borderland! numbers aside, they were some great fights and you were great practice for us. Hope to see more of you later in the week