I’d have to pick the Quaggan.
FACT: Quaggan are so dang cute, they’re too polite to SAY THEIR OWN NAME.
FACT: When Quaggan become enraged, they TRANSFORM.
FACT: Quaggans who can control their rage are SHUNNED by Quaggan society.
Beware: RISE OF THE QUAGGANS is coming.
When they explain their plans, all will die, cause it takes sooooo loooong
To be clear here, we are only talking about PvP end duels, right?
Because bunker condition in any other scenario (dungeons, PVE, group/organized WvW) is just a waste, 2 or 20 players with similar build cause almost the same damage.
He is writing about c/v/t, so PvE and WvW. Cause it is no PvP stat
The only equivalent with only condition damage and no other offensive stat is settler with thoughness mainstat so there is really low damage.
A suggestion to make conditions part of a more risk-reward style of gameplay:
Tone down condition duration all around and tone down condi damage a bit. Then provide a new set of armor with the stats: precision, condition damage, condition duration. If ran with these stats condi builds should do more damage and maintain longer duration than now but ones not picking condition duration in stats won’t be able to stack conditions that fast and therefore will do less damage that is in line with direct damage builds.
Any opinions?
But to compensate the nerf of every other condition build, every condition imunity/-remove needs to go too
As said multiple times in this thread, there shouldnt be armors with condi-dmg main stat and thoughness, as long as there is no armorstat like condition-duration.
Thoughness main and condi secondary would be ok or condi main and vita secondary.
I think we should have some sort of trinity what builds are effective against each other.
direct damage is countered by tanks, tanks are countered by condi damage and condi builds countered by direct damage. With some hybrid builds in between.
Sure D\D thief can tank 2 players. You obviously don’t know anything and defend cheesy spam builds.
Come on, stop trolling. You wanted a tank-thief, not me. The main defense of a thief is its stealth and to be honest you can’t tank while invisible. Btw i never said, he can face-tank, I only said good damage and good survivability
It is the same as a non bunker condition guardian.
Dhuumfire needs to go, giving Necro Burning from auto-attack spam was a stupid idea, they never needed the extra damage.
Yes and no. Necros only had the terrormancer before this patch, that dealt high condition damage, so you where forced to use this build. With dhuumfire necros got an alternative damage source, when they build full offensive and therefore terror got nerfed. Before dhuumfire, there was no reason except condition duration, to take this trait line.
Torment needs to go from sPvP, it’s a massive damaging condition and we didn’t need yet another damaging condition on-top of the 5 we already have. What is this condition supposed to promote except condi spam and STANDING STILL to take less damage? Worst game design I’ve ever seen.
Torment is no high damage condition, its an mix between bleed and cc, which is good for kiting. But it is not spamable in most cases. (only thief can spam them and stack them to arround 8 max. 10 without any other condition)
The game mechanics just get kitten on when you introduce such easy passive play as high condition damage procs to a game supposedly based on animations, you can’t dodge the auto-attack that applies Burning because it will keep trying to proc every time until it lands the damage and THEN it goes on cool-down, unlike a Power build where you CAN dodge the big damage attack and it goes on cool-down for 0 damage.
We will see 3 classes that are immune to condition damage in the next patch, but let me guess, this is good. Dhuumfire is compareable to all those +10% critdamage traits, that every calss has and guess what, that is also stupid passive play Nobody is crying about those traits, no its the op conditions.
You also can’t cleanse condis often enough as they are re-applied far too fast due to the fact that so many skills apply several conditions, instead of them being tactical applications of damage or soft control.
Why should everyone be able to cleanse every single condition he gets applied? This would make condition builds useless and we will see only tanks and who arrives first on the cap point wind the game.
btw, you cant cleanse direct damage at all.
sPvP has been completely ruined by condition spam just so that players in PvE can do some more damage.
It is not the condition spam, there are few builds that are to strong. (staff mesmer, spirit ranger…)
Conditions didn’t get buffed because of PvE, the damage difference there is still huge and you hit the condition cap on every monster, with more than one condition player. The way to go in PvE is zerker only and full glasscannon.
Lol , I need to learn to dodge condis ? Nice joke . Most of them are autoatacks and just a braindead spam. I’m sorry but condi builds require no skill whatsoever. Try to play glass cannon and tell me how pro you are
Then dont dodge and die. But stop telling people, that conditions cant be dodged, blocked, blinded etc.
Btw, noone said, dodge every autoattack, dodge the strong skills, you dont dodge warriors autoattacks, you dodge 100blades or the hammer stun. Maybe some skills need some better animations, but that doesnt mean, conditions are op
Yes condi is OP , if something crits for 2k you must have a zerker amulet , unless you’re a warr with UF trait .
You forgot the misinformation, that condition builds only need one stat to increase their damage, which is wrong, they need 3. The only difference is, that they get condi duration out of runes and traits, and it is no armor stat, which maybe should be changed. But their damage needs time to effect the target, so they need to survive longer than burst builds .
While condi stills gets the defensive stats.
Because their damage need time to build up. A crit is a crit, a bleed needs a few seconds to deal his damage, so some defense is needed, isnt it?
And they can’t be dodged or anything , you either eat them or cleanse .
wrong, conditions are applied by skills, (except dhuumfire and other traits), everything that negates the damage of that skill, blocks the condition apllied, easy isnt it? And they can be removed. even dodging works.
Conditions should be a secondary source of dmg instead of primery .
nope, this would make the whole combat booring. The team which arrives first at the capturepoints with their bunkers will win.
You realise that a clsss like thief simply has no chance against necros or engis and condi warrs. Eles can’t do anything aswell.
L2P, they can remove conditions, dodge, stun and deal damage. Everything that is needed to kill people. Maybe your build isnt good against condition builds, maybe you should change it?
The game was more balanced back then , when people were either full glass cannon or full bunker .
what changed since release, they included torment, added dhuumfire and recused quickness. And some number changes here and there. Plus they included condition removes and imunities. Yes it was more balanced….. The only point nobody played condition builds earlier, was that direct damage was better because of quickness. Then everybody played bunker builds and conditions started to shine and now everybody cries.