Guild Wars 2

I’ve been around the sun a few dozen times. I can give some insight as to why it is this happens. AKA, the harsh and terrible truth as to why devs won’t talk to you. Not a direct “you”, but the “you” in the general sense, so don’t take it personally.

#1: You blow things out of proportion. A change doesn’t actually have to be big before people will moan endlessly about it. This is the internet, and people are always making a big drama about something, and just because you’ve gone on to the forums and found a dozen people who agree with you doesn’t mean it is an issue even worth mentioning. You’ll get over it, and if you don’t get over it, bye. We don’t want you here.

#2: You can’t be placated. If you’ve ever tried to reason with a tantruming child, you’d find it is impossible. And of course, being an online videogame, the majority of complaints come from just that. The playerbase is young, full of hormones, and also full of life’s little frustrations over how unpopular in school they all are. You aren’t looking for a solution, you just want to be angered by something. The reason why the devs won’t subject themselves to your every beck and call is because it would only fan the flames. Calm down, kid!

#3: Your complaints are irrational. Yes, just because you’re mad about something doesn’t mean that it makes sense, or is practical in any sense. The fact is that the devs can’t make the sky blue and not blue at the same time. and yet people will be angry at others for not doing their crazy bidding Whether you’re factually wrong, the solution you propose is worse than the problem, or you’re upset over something that can’t be understood by the rational mind, what you want isn’t correct.. There’s nothing to gain from talking to someone who is insane, because sanity is a per-requisite of meaningful communication.

#4: Your complaints are illegitimate. There’s a lot of vitriol leveled at the devs not because what they’ve done is necessary bad, but because something is bad for you. Even if other players want things differently, you are there with your own uncompromising desires, dead set on trying to make the world yours instead of better. Sometimes you have an ulterior motive, sometimes you’re just trolling, other times you just don’t care what other people think. Either way, your “feedback” is flailing wildly in a crowded room: it goes nowhere and just makes people more upset.

#5: Your complaints are a minority. Angered players speak out, content players don’t. While it seems like everyone agrees with you, in fact it is an echo chamber where the same 10 people just yell at their own shadows for days on end. Ultimately, to change any complaint you have it takes resources, and if there are a handful of cantankerous players irate over something, it doesn’t mean it is worth dealing with. The quality of updates and changes is subjective, so if you find yourself constantly out-voted on the matter, accept the horrible fate that your life will be filled with nothing going your way.

#6: The devs already speak with you, but you aren’t satisfied with the exact manner or how much. It is a goalpost that can be constantly moved, so to the belligerent mind can never be sated. Yes, the emotional black holes out there are all aflutter when something isn’t said fast enough, or where they want it to be said, or whether enough is said or not. No matter how much of a dialogue is trying to be casually opened, the fact is that you will always be looking to punch a gift horse in the mouth..

In short: You aren’t worth talking to. Now, I’m going to add this on to the end:

#7: The devs are people, too. Fact is, the devs don’t know what the hell they’re doing. Most people don’t. Most things in life are gambles. They’re going to make mistakes, and they’ll feel bad about their mistakes, or they won’t realize that something is a mistake. Thing is, you’re the worst person to tell them their mistakes. For the 6 reasons above, but also because you’ve assigned a air of mysticism around their work, and thus see anything that doesn’t suit you as the actions of a defiant spirit of some kind. The whole “fester with rage in their public spaces for weeks on end” is not a good look. It is not always going to be immediate that a problem even exists.

yoo here is mine~ i tried

Let’s get this out of the way: I don’t main thief. I’ve never been able to master the finese of perfectly managing my initiative but knowing that I can’t; I admire those who can rock this class even more than any other. As of late, there’s been a fairly significant drop in people on thief, and those who are playing it aren’t contributing as much to their team as they have in the past. “Why is this?” I found myself asking. I, for the most part (there are always exceptions), beat thieves to a pulp in pvp, duels which is a new thing since the change from traits to specialisations. So let’s take a look at some of the reasons I found why thieves got, arguably nerfed.

Thieves didn’t get any traits made baseline during the change. Many of the classes, most notably mesmer, had traits made baseline, giving them an all round buff to the class. Steal was increased in range by 300 and the recharge was reduced but that was it. The change to deadly arts has essentially made it required to take for any thief build. I think mug needs to be made baseline since it increases survive and damage, so there is literally no reason not to have it. Before it required 2 trait points which was fairly minor and many classes had a trait or two that needed one or two trait points but needing the entire line for it so your build options are dropped drastically. Trickery’s minor traits, grandmaster one not with standing, could also be made baseline on the argument that it’s hard to not take for the bonus initiative.

There is no way to remove conditions outside of shadow arts and even then its just damaging ones. First of all, most DPS classes have a way to deal with weakness where thieves don’t. Thieves really need some way to get rid of weakness since its a hard counter and it has been made easy to apply with cleave skills. Secondly, there’s no way to rapidly remove condis. The remove in stealth trait has been reduced to 1condi per 3s and that’s going to do nothing next to nothing for survive. The only skill that really removes condis for thief is shadow step but that won’t help much against, say, a necro or a burn guard. It really weakens thieves to not have a solution for condis, especially when a lot of abilities now don’t require a target to apply them.

There’s little potential for on point fighting. Thieves have always been bad at this but with acrobatics being turned into what is essentially a worse daredevil, there isn’t exactly an option. Sword dagger was annoying but it was on par with d/p or considered worse and its the one that got the nerf. Now there is daredevil which can fight on point but in no where near the same level, as say, a revenant. Also daredevil plays like an offbrand revenant. It has little stealth, about the same to worse dodge potential, equal mobility, and less damage with out any of the survive. You could say rev needs a nerf, which it does, but even if that happens daredevil still won’t get used as much since it lacks survivability.

Lastly, and most notably, is the introduction of reveal. Being able to reveal a thief for 6 or more seconds is more than enough to kill a thief and between engineers and revs, there is a lot of reveal to go around. There was nothing added to the thief to compensate for this, and that hurts them a lot more than anything. It would be like adding a skill that prevented blocking party wide. Better yet imagine if there was a skill that prevented a necro from using death shroud or, don’t, because it exists and its called moa morph (or signet of humility). Now imagine if it could be used on a 40s cool down. That’s basically what thieves have to deal with. Now, I am going to say, I like the addition of reveal but something should have been done to thieves to make up for it, since I can on my herald use glints gaze 2 more times than a theif can use sr.

MATH. TOO MUCH MATH FOR THIS EARLY IN THE MORNING.

roleplaying

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Hey all, I recently thought about the fact that our combat role for a long time has been high burst, single target assassination, whether 1v1 or +1. Unfortunately, our 1v1 assassination usually only works well against the squishiest of players, which these days is mostly other thieves.

I thought of my time playing LoL, and the fact that certain items or characters handle tanks effectively using %hp damage. What if we had some options (maybe in critical strikes) that allowed us to spec as a tank killer? Options include adding deep wound from gw1 as a condi that temporarily reduces % max health, %hp damage on crit, etc.

godmoney.6025:

So how do you feel when fighting other thieves whilst playing your alts?

Do a Barrel-roll!

inb4 it ends up being garbage, they never give us thieves nice toys.

get to the point where you’re not getting rolled in hot joins and you’ll have a valid opinion maybe

What I want:
HOT purchasable upgrade to already existing accounts
$40.00
1 character slot included

An apology from ANET admitting to their shady dealings and lying to their playerbase
(you know…. the people that made it possible for you to make an expansion)

The only valid counterplay to Stealth would be showing the damage when hitting stealthed player.

Nothing else needs to be done to Stealth.

:)

Ehm, no. We got enough sexyfied armor in the game already.
Too many female heavy armor has to glorify the womans body.
It`s something that is fun once in a while, but how about some more practical ones?
Without holes in the armor to show off legs, etc…

Learn to play instead of crying

Dear Guild Wars 2 community,

Hear me out for a moment.

Like myself you may accumulate a lot of ’’JUNK’’ ie. worthless materials and upgrade components. I’m tired of individually selling these items.

I would like the option to ‘’List items as junk’’.

This would remove a chore none of us enjoy doing. Please bump this post so people can see our suggestion.

-Stillstanden

Have you tried watching the ledges?

I learned on Dark Souls that “YOU DIED” is the most appropriate response to anyone raging over how cheap is your build or whatever.

My unbiased opinion:

I main a guard, and stealth always irritated me. Whenever a thief would stealth and run, I’d call cheese. How irritating, right?

Two days ago I made a thief, and I’ve already realized how essential stealth is. Thieves are trading a lot to have the ability to stealth: they are a melee class with low health, low armor, and abysmal condi clear. Whereas rangers and guardians can go invincible for a few seconds to take the pressure off, thieves have stealth (but can die quite easily in stealth). Most of their weapon sets are useless in the current meta, so evades cant make up for it (I’m looking at sw/d).

If they are running from you and are about to die, either: (1) you outnumber them, in which case, who wouldn’t run?; and (2) they can’t kill you in a 1v1, but then why should you be able to kill a thief 100%? Shouldn’t it be 50% in a balanced game? They are a zerker class, after all. Running=draw=balanced.

Add to that: no thieves use speed/traveler runes, which means if they want to keep up their famous mobility in or out of stealth, they need to be spending initiative, dodges, or utility cooldowns. Those all need to be balanced to maintain mobility but also be ready for a fight.

So coming from an entirely different class and just playing thief for 2 days, I have to say: stop complaining about stealth. It’s not cheese.

I think veteran players might still be haunted by the ancient evil that is known as DR.

Though the demon has been supposedly exercised long ago, telltale whispers of its voice can be heard inside all of my loot bags.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Toxsa.2701:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Toxsa.2701:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Zero Day.2594:

Eliteseraph.4970:

Sorry, I didn’t read the entire thread, since there appears to be intermittent trolling/bickering. I’m just now trying to re-learn how to Thief after not playing for nearly a year.

Is it possible that LR could be changed for HoT? Or is that not very likely?

Current iteration of changes show no changes for LR. It’s very unlikely there will be a change.

If you’re optimistic, LR will be swapped with Shadow’s Rej for the GM spot…since some players believe that LR is really, really useful.

Since you guys think it does more harm than good, the only suitable trait that fit the spot is -falling damage trait. Otherwise it’d be unfair trade lol… (leave the -20% deception cd inside that adapt trait and pull falling damage out)

Nah, what we need is a trait that stuns or fear Ranger pets when they attack us. Or better yet, a trait that interrupts channeled skills when we go in stealth.

The possibility is endless.

Might as well add a minor trait in Marksmanship that applies reveal for 4 seconds on a 10 ICD as counterplay lol. The possibility is endless.

That trait suggestion doesn’t belong here. Whatever Rangers wants to do with their pet in their private place is no concern of ours.

He’s raising awareness. Now you’re aware.