Guild Wars 2

Not gonna try at all, sitting, playing and watching movie at the same time. No point until developers not gonna balance skills… So just farming time Still, this game will never be eSports for that we have lol

Azure The Heartless.3261:

Supreme.3164:

Truth is the devs prioritise pve over pvp, as such there are no restrictions….anybody can join pvp and screw everybody else

This is subjective. When glorious armor came out the argument was the complete opposite, with pve players complaining that PVP got game mode specific rewards. I don’t think they prioritize either, but at some times misjudge how willing some of those players screaming “I will only play pve and how dare you not give me all the shinies for playing the game mode I like” are to jump right into PVP if the prize is good enough.

Problem is that you can jump into pvp from pve or wvw anytime, as soon as reward is better….but you can’t jump to pve or wvw instantly, you need gear, without gear you’re not welcome. I am already boicoting this season by simply “farming” the reward…sadly, my teammates suffer.

Konakona.4130:

ziggystardust.3721:

The biggest mistakes Anet did is by allowing under lvl 80 in pvp to join ranked and adding ascended set as reward for new currency. now those newbies are bringing others down.

Oi guildie, I’m not 80 too by the way =)))

About them PvE players tho – they are usually easily recognizable. Pve-titles, pve-pets on rangers, pve builds overall (like staff ele and some crazy poop like axe-axe warrior). The main problem is that so-called “players” don’t even want to learn – they never bothered with guides, builds and at least basic training; I bet 99.99% of them are terrible in PvE too and cannot do raids because golem dps check is too complicated and bothersome.

So it is not even “hate”, I just simply despise that low-effort, brain-dead joke of a players.

I am not saying PvE players are bad, never did. I am myself PvE, WvW and PvP player. I am saying that there are so many absolutely new players, who joined GW2 in last few months, who want to get that ascended set + easy gold, so they come to pvp and just ruining all fun. Good PVE player will know his skills, at least, he can be helpful and competitive at this level, however that new GW2 player, who want just items, is the person ruining PVP. Like I said, I have seen so many in my 100+ games this season of those “run into 4 players and die in a second”, and all of them were around 1k AP, so it’s more than clear they are new in game. To get lvl 20 in pvp is a joke.

Lets take fractals for example, to play lvl 100 fractal you need to be at least decently skilled, have enough AR etc and better gear, because it’s more challenging than lvl 1. Same should be pvp, there has to be line between those who are ready to go to ranked and who aren’t. I can’t imagine any other way than decent pvp level. Recent days have proven, that lvl 20 is a joke.

Nightshade.2570:

ziggystardust.3721:

Nightshade.2570:

Normally I just silently read posts and move on, only commenting from time to time.
However, I want to comment on a growing trend that I am seeing.

First off, I would like to ask you, how do you know for certain that someone is a pve player. When it is the intended goal of Anet to get people to balance and play across all game modes, there are very few players that never set foot in WvW or PvE and only play PvP these days. Now, alot of us like me, love PvP and play it the most, as in I play it most every night of the week and only branch out from time to time.

However, you have to stop blaming the quality of your matches on pve players. It might be a bad day for some, it might be something you are doing, it might of been a bad roll of the dice. Any one of these three are the actual reasons, your match was lost.

Secondly, new players are the lifeblood of every game mode. You were new once and I am sure you didnt appreciate being referred to in a derogatory manner due to your newness. Most new players know they are not that great yet, and are in fact trying to learn.

If you want to make a change in how things are matched, how things are managed in PvP my suggestion is you turn this anger and hate to constructive criticism that will actually help minimize blow out matches and improve the quality of matches for new and Vet players. You could also offer to help someone who is a suspected PvEer or New player….

first, how to find out if someone new? You just block him and check AP. I had many games with players under 1k AP, playing more difficult classes. What they do? They run to enemy blob and die instantly. Do you think it’s fair towards long time pvpers? To lose a game because some newbie just giving points away? There is unranked, then random arenas, go learn, then play ranked, however (now including me) everybody simply farming ascended armor. Anet had good idea, sadly they * it up as aleways just by being to lazy to think deeper. PVP is now PVE, you just farm ascended armor.

Your kidding right? You don’t judge whose old and new on AP do you? Did it ever occur to you that people that mostly PvP have hardly any AP after playing for years. I have very low AP and have been in PvP for three years.

Elitism kills communities. New blood is important to the game. Ranked PvP tactics are different from Unranked. People are casual there. At some point New people have to go into ranked. Some will do better then others. Accept that the real thing here is, that they need better training, not exclusion.

I have played only pvp for the first year after the release, I got more than 1k AP quite fast. Don’t forget, you get AP for first time achievements too. MY good friend is playing only thief, only pvp and after half year he managed to get 2k+ AP, magic? Now you get AP even for dailies, so yeah, you can easily judge people about their skill from APs. I don’t say that guy with 14k might be better than guy with 1k, but I am sure that that guy with under 1k will definitely not be as knowledgeable as 99% of those 10k+, and my experience proves it. In this season I have already played 110+ games, during gfirst 50 games my win rate was 65%…now 50ish. At least 30% of all the games I had a guy with less than 1k AP during absolute ******. Dude, you can even see before the game who is who and who will definitely ruin it. However, like I said before, this season is lost like all others before (at least with those pips we had luck to run away from lowbies), now lets just farm new currency. I wish you luck not getting me in your team as I just play now and not really care about the win.

Bardly.2571:

What is kitten?

I get the visual…but you L33t types use it for everything.

Ex: “I was kittening with kittens on freaking kitten sky hammer , stupid kittens kitten all over and we got kittened.”

I get you veterans like your buzz words, but I’d really like to know exactly what noobs have to do wrong to make them kitten/a kitten.

what they already do? Kittens have their playground, veterans have theirs. When kitten wants to become veteran, he has to finish his playground. Now kittens are going to dogs playground and having a kitten everywhere. Is it more clear to you?

After this game became f2p…it became ruined like any other f2p game.
Now the game is not about which team is better, it’s about who has less new players who farm items. Until you level 80 your place is unranked, want to grow, play unranked and come to ranked. You must prove that you deserved to play there.

BennyKay.6139:

its ok you can only get 1 set of ascended. In another couple days everyone will have their ascended set and be gone

By that time our rating will be? Also, how can you be sure they not gonna simply farm new currency for next season? Also gold reward stays same. 20g for old timers is blah, 20g to newbie for doing nothing, gold mine.

Toll Booth Willie.6723:

Thing is Un-ranked is kitten as a training ground. How is one supposed to learn proper team mechanics, etc while playing with other people who little to no idea of what to do. One is like Varsity ball while the other is akin to college level play in a decent division. Even that doesn’t really equate as these kids would have a practiced idea of plays and how the game structure is.

From my experience i can and have had some matches (unranked) where if i didn’t know better i would think im beast. That was as a core power necro. I’ve also gone in to try and test new builds but it’s hard to do when your entire team is camping spawn after sweeping all three points off the start. Same goes if you happen to be on the other end spectrum. Unranked is sketchy at best and even worse during the actual season. Some kind of tutorial or training ground option would be helpful here.

Aside from Anet spoon feeding us the answers i see a few options available.

The community could in some way hold training days or times in unranked sort of like the community tourneys but for helping new people instead. However its easier to blame x-kittenty player/players and kitten and moan than to do something constructive.

People could be more helpful during matches and not just be a kitten during the last 2 mins of the game when they realize all their personal awesomeness and tunnel vision the last 8 minutes didn’t magically carry the team to a win.

Also and i think this is something that many don’t realize about team based games random or otherwise, it is possible to have a team of decent to good players, who still play as a kitten team.

How do you think, how many of those who want to learn would stay in ranked if there were no reward at all? Ascended set for newbies is a lot. They farm there. They will continue farming it for next seasons sets. The biggest mistakes Anet did is by allowing under lvl 80 in pvp to join ranked and adding ascended set as reward for new currency. now those newbies are bringing others down. I used to always help for new players, now they can go and kitten themselves, will never take newbies to pve activities.

Nightshade.2570:

Normally I just silently read posts and move on, only commenting from time to time.
However, I want to comment on a growing trend that I am seeing.

First off, I would like to ask you, how do you know for certain that someone is a pve player. When it is the intended goal of Anet to get people to balance and play across all game modes, there are very few players that never set foot in WvW or PvE and only play PvP these days. Now, alot of us like me, love PvP and play it the most, as in I play it most every night of the week and only branch out from time to time.

However, you have to stop blaming the quality of your matches on pve players. It might be a bad day for some, it might be something you are doing, it might of been a bad roll of the dice. Any one of these three are the actual reasons, your match was lost.

Secondly, new players are the lifeblood of every game mode. You were new once and I am sure you didnt appreciate being referred to in a derogatory manner due to your newness. Most new players know they are not that great yet, and are in fact trying to learn.

If you want to make a change in how things are matched, how things are managed in PvP my suggestion is you turn this anger and hate to constructive criticism that will actually help minimize blow out matches and improve the quality of matches for new and Vet players. You could also offer to help someone who is a suspected PvEer or New player….

first, how to find out if someone new? You just block him and check AP. I had many games with players under 1k AP, playing more difficult classes. What they do? They run to enemy blob and die instantly. Do you think it’s fair towards long time pvpers? To lose a game because some newbie just giving points away? There is unranked, then random arenas, go learn, then play ranked, however (now including me) everybody simply farming ascended armor. Anet had good idea, sadly they * it up as aleways just by being to lazy to think deeper. PVP is now PVE, you just farm ascended armor.

Auroraborealis.7310:

Does anyone else feel like Warrior has way too much sustainability, offensive output, mobility, and simplicity all in one package.

I don’t understand why Revs were hit so hard, when they actually had some weakness to their design, that being conditions. Now Warriors are hitting extremely hard like Revs were, however they don’t seem to have much weaknesses.

The performance variation between some of the classes is really atrocious, like the monstrous performance difference between fresh air elementalist, and a macebow warrior.

Even going into WvW occasionally, Warriors are just cancerous to deal with. It is possible to kite them, but you better not make a single mistake. Meanwhile Warr is over drooling on the keyboard letting the weight of the slobber mash down the keys, while hammering out single hits that can one shot most players, with the skill requirement of lacing your shoes.

Warrior has just few skills you need to avoid, it’s not op. It has huge bursting dmg, that’s it. Have you ever looked and DH’s? Huge dmg, conditions, defense. When I play warrior I have to take power signet just to counter guardian for 6 seconds….and still. You play vs 3 guardians, you done only from traps.

Not worth. You can go dh like everybody and just trap everything. Dunno who is that * in Anet who develop DH skills…but that person has no knowledge what balance is. You get team of 3 DHs, you will definitely hold at least 1 point secure all the time. Non stop trap spaming and condi dmg…idiotic.

Don’t allow anyone below Dragon level to join ranked. If your team gets one player who has no idea what to do, just coming to farm rewards, then you almost have no chance of wining it. People should learn to pvp in unranked until level 80, later be able to join ranked.

It’s good system and great rewards. Problem is that you can get those rewards by even not competing. It’s also good. However, Anet just rushed to put everything live without thinking it to the end. Now rewards attracts all kind of **** new free to play players who are ruining competition. I had so many matches with team mates who had from 200 to 1k AP, had no idea how to play that class. At the beginning I was competing strongly and was excited about new pvp…but now…blah, going just for rewards (became like those newbies.)

They had to put restrictions on who can join the game (you have to have pvp level 80+ etc?). Now it’s just RNG lottery and I don’t play lotteries, so reward farming it’s. Anet will never create proper system just because they rushing it without finishing.

Agree. That mess with instabilities is just annoying. More time wasting added with no reward increase…it’s just ridiculous. Well, at least one part of the game is done to me until they not going to fix this mess…WvW left…so probably no more point to waste time

Anet, being to lazy to create something new and just mixing the kitten from everywhere not going to make players happier or more dedicated to the game.

We had broken elles…so they ruined them totally. But at least they could only tank a bunch of people…not kill them.

Now guardian. I just can’t imagine what logic that developer has…hopefully he can separate day from night. Extremely hard to kill with huge damage output. I don’t worry that they kill me or I lose, I am not happy that you can’t do almost anything against them. Block after block. Want to make tanks? make tanks. But don’t give them huge dps too. Or lets reduce warriors defensive skills too? Lets increase shroud power for necros?

Well, I found solution. I don’t have anything else to do in pvp just to have fun. So from yesterday I have started to learn my skills, develop some tactics, have some training as long as I see at least 1 guardian in the match. It’s very hard to win when you learning your skills…I think I should try mesmer now.

Well, I don’t know how the guardian developer thinking, but he should work as cashier with this logic.

There were elle bunkers…but they couldn’t do any significant damage…

Now they made guardians basically unkillable with decent dps…

Is that guy thinking at all? yes, some classes can beat them…but majority can’t. Elles are absolute crap now…

Seriously, that developer is total * (he can fill stars.

Luckily, I can enjoy playing pvp with no care to lose or win…it became like pve to me hopefully you won’t get me in your team

I really thought that deserting the match will result other members not losing pip, however looks like I was wrong.

One of our random team members got dc/left the match in the middle of it, ohh well, kitten happens, we lost. However after the game system tells me I lost the pip!

Can someone clarify me this?

BTW, as player with randoms for second season I seen a lot of nonsense but it’s ok, I play with randoms…however matchmaking is just terrible. I am in the middle of ruby with my occasional play, I am usually joining with randoms and am teamed against diamonds…I really thought 10 pip difference… Seriously, who is developing this pvp league?

agree, this matchmaking just sucks. I have done playing pvp until they not create something original. I was always playing with randoms and never complained about it, but now randoms have to fight teamed up players…seriously?

Just dailies at pvp, season is dead.

Give them one condi clear, remove boons. Why everyone want to be more powerful than others? Revenant one of the strongest classes at pvp and want to be more stronger. For balance sake, add condi clear to revenant, move his boons to guard.

Dh trapper is one of the easiest classes to play against, one skill toy.

Are you afraid of conditions? I don’t like stuns. Necro chills was nerfed so all good. If you can’t deal with so called condi builds..well, maybe you should reconsider your build and stop running glass cannon? Go bunker, change build, make team yourself. You can fight condi builds quite easy now.

Harper.4173:

So I was on reddit a few minutes ago and some happy poster posted this:

It is the same immaturity that plagues other PvP and FPS games and the problem is certainly not the people that are just there to play casually/have fun.

It was posted in a topic where people were discussing toxicity and its causes.
Well one of the causes is right there – in his post.

If you are playing PvP casually in a happy-go-lucky way you should not be playing in leagues.

I think Anet should take steps to make it more clear that people that just want to “play some pvp” but have no idea what PvP is, how it works and so on should be encouraged to not play leagues.

The real reason for toxicity as far as I see it is being matched with clueless people that don’t listen and go into PvP with the wrong attitude.

One solution I propose to fix this would be a PvP rank requirement for entry into leagues of let’s say 60. I understand this can be farmed too – but I doubt most “casual” PvPers will bother with farming it that high.

Also to those of you who will be asking – why not post this on reddit – the answer is: I dislike reddit and believe that discussion regarding GW2 should take place on the official forums – not some 3rd party website.

First, aren’t you creating that toxicity now by criticising those casual players?
Second, if you’re that guy who dislike to loose matches and blames randoms for it maybe you are the real problem?

If you want to win you get your own team and play with real voice help. You having fun, play how you want. I spend almostall my time at pvp, with randoms, just having fun. This is game for fun and you shouldn’t tell others what to do. You want to go to pro, get team. If you dislike people crying at eotm just block them.

I am not talking about you being f2p, I am saying that f2p is destroying every game. At least here you can play core game without having new expansion, many games not allowing that. I just don’t get why are you complaining. You don’t play HoT, you don’t buy nightmare expansion…but you want to get it all. I am sorry to hear you’re disabled, sadly many games are not designed to need of disabled people…sometimes it’s simply impossible or to expensive. I play HoT content very very rarely however it didn’t stopped me from supporting the game and buying it. Gliding is awesome.

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Well, if you aren’t among the Chosen, you get nothing.

I will not buy HoT. I guess I’m invisible and unworthy of any future consideration.

Doesn’t matter that I’ve bought gem cards worth far more than the cost of that sorry, single demographic, feature sized “expansion”.

So you want to play full game by not buying it? That’s like playing old fifa and complaining of not having same advantages as those who playing new one. I said before…free to play is bad for games.

Safire.9143:

YOU JUST TOOK THE VERY LAST BIT OF PROGRESS OUT OF THE GAME THAT WAS LEFT…. and i dont know if you realize that anet. You are promoting your game as a “big living world full of dynamic events” and you are basically taking it away from the new players…
Its okay giving it to the players who alredy have an lvl 80 character, but giving it to the new players ???

So because you bought the expansion you get to automatically skip everything and become max level instead of having to work for it and put the time into doing it yourself…What is this WoW now ?? What a better way to throw the entire world you created in the garbage. Why would I leave LA now except for guild missions??
It removes the entirety of what GW2 is.. exploration and discovery.

I just feel that i have nothing in this game, untill now i was like “okay i have level 80 i accomplished something in this game”… cant say that after this patch anymore…

I cared about this game but im not going to anymore… im sick of watching stupid decisions pass in anet like that… im a little sad about this cause gw2 was my fav game. R.I.P.

You joking right? I have 9 classes lvl 80, all leveled with tomes of knowledge. I can level 5 more with tomes I have. That didn’t stopped me doing all the maps (4 characters at 100%). Many people do exploration for keys, materials, legendaries so no, one time item not going to stop people playing. Also I remember how hard it was to start this game 4 years ago, and little help for new players not gonna destroy you.

I am sorry for people who complain about warrior. I main 3 classes in PVP, so I can switch to class I think is necessary for the team. But when you play with randoms you accept what you have and don’t complain. You can sit all time at point for me. You want to win – you make a team. Good warrior player can smash most of classes (90% of necros don’t bloody know how to play necro). Condi warrior can eat your hp like pancakes in the morning. No1 should complain when playing with pugs, you play what you want. Want team – male team.

Yeah, it happened to me too a day ago. We made such a nice comeback…had 3 points…enemy took 1 point back and it was just miliseconds to decide the winner… 500 500…sadly it was my division crossing game and we lost…ohhh well… I think if it’s tie then there should be some game extension, like tennis tiebreak.

Raids had to be made in few modes, like gw missions used to be: normal and hard etc. Currently everyone want to do raids or wanted to do them, lfg is packed with so called experienced people, however one weak pug can ruin one hour work. I personaly stoped wasting my time with raids as with 90+ fractals. Rewards are to low comparing to time spent. Raids is failure atm, however it could be fixed.

When f2p people don’t read wiki…

Personal story, pvp rewards… easy

Simple red balloon “glider”. Probably would be nice as account (not character) birthday present.

mate, stop talking nonsense. People don’t qq that they can’t reach something, not everyone want to reach top. They qq that system is broken. And yes, it’s. Legendary players will have no problem to jump to top divisions, problem is match making. It was told that if you are on 3 game lose streak you will fight against those with 3 loses too. I am at second division and had 15 loses in the row. I have been playing against same team few times in the row, how it can be that they just won against me and I have to play against same players again being in losing row?

So dude, be so kind, read first what people are talking about then post your disappointment.

Honestly I don’t enjoy playing condi builds, but I am playing every single class. I love to wvw with thief, to pvp with ranger, guardian… I was trying. Trying didn’t helped so had to take my necro to pvp. You want at least to compete go necro. Condi damage is ridiculous. Once we gone kitten necros in second division against properly build team, guardian was melting. Boon corruption and condi transfer and you win. Want to win, go necro, want to play go anything. Thank you Anet.

It should be making team vs team or pugs vs pugs, but now until my team is on and I am pugging I always fight vs other teams. How the hell Anet you managed to ruin this? At least there would be some word about it and we would stop wasting our time…now somehow I am farmed. If I lost 10 matches (YES! 10 in the row!) I shouldn’t be paired against players who just won against me?

Well, been playing this game since launch and this is my first post in forum. If you think this game is grindy, you have never played grindy games. Fractals are giving great rewards, then you have Silverwastes, TP…crafting…man, so many ways to make gold! Another thing, just play and enjoy, you won’t get legendary weapons in a week, you need to earn then, however you don’t have to spend a lot of time ingame…just have your target. In PVE it’s easy to make money, you can also play sPVP and get rewards, plus you don’t have to run ascended there and can enjoy fight straight from your level 1. It would be more difficult in WvW, but…there are many ways and many options. grindy? Seriously? Fractals now more rewarding than dungeons before…but yeah, you have to be ready for them.