Guild Wars 2

Elitists ruin this game. Guild Wars 2 is for casuals. If I join your party I want to be carried and you kick me- anet ban them please. There is no way to view my gear in this game so why should I ping it to you...

Obtena.7952:

JasmineLong.6514:

Obtena.7952:

J Eberle.9312:

How do you know that they started it?

Because people who believe in playing how they want don’t care what builds people use.

Take a second and re-evaluate that statement. ANYONE can be the culprit of this if you’re using that logic and who is to say that the “evil kitten elitists” were they ones that started this movement? Was it recorded in video game history, can you find the source? Did the Prophet state this in his/her teachings?

It’s not a stretch of the imagination to think that people who play a wider range of builds are more tolerant to other people that play a wider range of builds than people that preach “only DPS” approach to PVE. It’s HIGHLY unlikely that the practice of kicking people from teams started with a random bunch of people playing non-DPS optimized builds.

Further evidence is just historical forum posts. Mocking people, discussions in Guardian forum, etc… it’s pretty evident of who are the tolerant people and who are not. I don’t think my hypothesis is all that far from what happened. If a person is intolerant, they are more likely to act on intolerance than someone that is tolerant. Some DPS-only PVE people don’t come across as the most tolerant bunch from what I can see ingame and in the forums. Is that so unreasonable to make that connection?

Quite unreasonable. People that believe in playing how they want, sometimes communicate how they want to play with others through their recruiting messages. This is the opposite of not caring how others play.

Kittens are Kittens no matter their fur color, or lack of fur.

Wethospu.6437:

Don’t you consider it intolerant (or at least wrong) to join parties where you aren’t clearly wanted?

People doing that aren’t tolerating wishes of other people.

It is wrong. I don’t believe that’s intolerant, it’s inconsiderate.

Obtena.7952:

I’m not speaking in absolutes here. Are there tolerant elitists? Yeah. Are there intolerant PHIW? Yeah.

I think what is missing here is recognizing that there are certain values that people hold that impact their actions. OK, that’s abstract:

If you value your time ingame, it’s fair to say you want to do things as fast as possible, so you likely adopted DPS only approach in PVE. You team with people but they don’t necessarily value their time as much as you do. It’s likely the guy who values his time is not happy.

The more that people value time, the more they are affected by other players. They are more likely to act on that intolerance than someone who’s values are NOT affected by other players. It’s not a hard concept to understand but it could be difficult to accept if you happen to value time or some other value that is affected by other players.

You’re right, I agree

So where does that take us? Where are we going now that you’ve established this?

Llyren.3904:

Quite unreasonable. People that believe in playing how they want, sometimes communicate how they want to play with others through their recruiting messages. This is the opposite of not caring how others play.

Kittens are Kittens no matter their fur color, or lack of fur.

I disagree. Kittens with out fur are disgusting alien babies. Not kittens.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Obtena.7952:

I’m not speaking in absolutes here. Are there tolerant elitists? Yeah. Are there intolerant PHIW? Yeah.

I think what is missing here is recognizing that there are certain values that people hold that impact their actions. OK, that’s abstract:

If you value your time ingame, it’s fair to say you want to do things as fast as possible, so you likely adopted DPS only approach in PVE. You team with people but they don’t necessarily value their time as much as you do. It’s likely the guy who values his time is not happy.

The more that people value time, the more they are affected by other players. They are more likely to act on that intolerance than someone who’s values are NOT affected by other players. It’s not a hard concept to understand but it could be difficult to accept if you happen to value time or some other value that is affected by other players.

You’re right, I agree

So where does that take us? Where are we going now that you’ve established this?

I don’t have a good answer to that. How does segregation and it’s practices end? Can players be convinced their values don’t matter? Clearly not. Is this really even a problem? If it is, I think it’s for players to work it out the solution. Personally, I think the approach Obal has (at least in the forum) is the right one. Educating people on the mechanics is important. That message doesn’t get to everyone ingame though.

How far has it come, dumdums out of the guardian forum invaded the holy “flame halls” of the dungeon forum. Their burning builds will bring evil over our environment.

Obtena.7952:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Obtena.7952:

I’m not speaking in absolutes here. Are there tolerant elitists? Yeah. Are there intolerant PHIW? Yeah.

I think what is missing here is recognizing that there are certain values that people hold that impact their actions. OK, that’s abstract:

If you value your time ingame, it’s fair to say you want to do things as fast as possible, so you likely adopted DPS only approach in PVE. You team with people but they don’t necessarily value their time as much as you do. It’s likely the guy who values his time is not happy.

The more that people value time, the more they are affected by other players. They are more likely to act on that intolerance than someone who’s values are NOT affected by other players. It’s not a hard concept to understand but it could be difficult to accept if you happen to value time or some other value that is affected by other players.

You’re right, I agree

So where does that take us? Where are we going now that you’ve established this?

I don’t have a good answer to that. How does segregation and it’s practices end? Can players be convinced their values don’t matter? Clearly not. Is this really even a problem? If it is, I think it’s for players to work it out the solution. Personally, I think the approach Obal has (at least in the forum) is the right one. Educating people on the mechanics is important. That message doesn’t get to everyone ingame though.

I like to think that we can conclude that it’s a non-issue, or its an issue that isn’t worth the energy worrying about as its just human nature. We can’t create an environment where everyone will get along with everyone else. I agree as well, if we could have more people from this dungeon sub-forum act like obal or present day colesy, we would be much better off. This isn’t the case though, and frankly while I don’t disagree with what you’re saying, you’re going about it wrong. Coming into the dungeon forum and trying to tell people that ‘elitists are intolerant’ is never going to end well, and I’m sure you can understand that.

My initial response was mainly trying to ask “Why are you telling people in this forum that?”, because as you and some of us have realised, this isn’t being taken seriously at all, and it’s not going to change in the short term.

Frankly, this sub-forum shouldn’t be a refuge for people to act poorly, mock others, etc … just because they are discouraged from doing it in other subforums. I could care less how badly it ends. It’s no different than the Guardian forums … It’s been ‘cleaned up’ and people play together there pretty nicely now … even without agreement all the time. Funny that people complain this area is ignored by Anet … you wonder why.

I think I made some reasonable points. Some people whose values are affected by others created the atmosphere learned by other dungeon runners. I’m suggesting that it’s why they get received negatively, whether it’s true/false, deserved or not. That’s the thread topic. I think the whole point of the thread was to incite bu the OP, but there is some value in reflection and analysis here.

Obtena.7952:

Frankly, this forum shouldn’t be a refuge for people to act poorly, mock others, etc … just because they are discouraged from doing it elsewhere. I could care less how badly it ends. It’s no different than the Guardian forums … It’s been ‘cleaned up’ and people play together there pretty nicely now … even without agreement all the time.

I think I made some reasonable points. Some people whose values are affected by others created the atmosphere learned by other dungeon runners. I’m suggesting that it’s why they get received negatively, whether it’s true/false, deserved or not. That’s the thread topic. I think the whole point of the thread was to incite bu the OP, but there is some value in reflection and analysis here.

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I still don’t disagree with that quote … you guys create the atmosphere … even encourage it. It was also 6 months ago, and deleted, recognizing my error. You knock down a wall, I threw a brick. You don’t take your refuge seriously, why should anyone else, including Anet either? Threads like this kick up the dirt a bit. I’m here to make some people think a little. Sorry I guess.

Obtena.7952:

I still don’t disagree with that quote … you guys create the atmosphere … even encourage it. You knock down a wall, I threw a brick. You don’t take your refuge seriously, why should anyone else, including Anet either?

I believe this quote was taken from a thread where I was helping someone with a build and you jumped in and started going nuts about forcing the meta on people. If anyone was a catalyst for a bad atmosphere it was you, but I suppose you realised this since you took it down. Now have a look at this thread. Who created the bad atmosphere here?

Obtena.7952:

I still don’t disagree with that quote … you guys create the atmosphere … even encourage it. You knock down a wall, I threw a brick. You don’t take your refuge seriously, why should anyone else, including Anet either?

The purpose of my thread was not to create trouble, it was a legitimate query to ANet which ended up being locked because of derailment.

That’s why I deleted it … I realized I wasn’t being productive. Of course you bring it up here because your aim is a healthy, positive interaction.

You’ll never know what my true aim is >:(

J Eberle.9312:

You’ll never know what my true aim is >:(

World domination?

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

J Eberle.9312:

You’ll never know what my true aim is >:(

World domination?

Wha- How did you..

I will find you.

J Eberle.9312:

NovaanVerdiano.6174:

J Eberle.9312:

You’ll never know what my true aim is >:(

World domination?

Wha- How did you..

I will find you.

You will never find me!

J Eberle.9312:

Alright I’m back from google translator.

Obtena.7952:

Maybe you should reflect on how that makes you feel and think about how the first guy in GW2 that was kicked for using the wrong build or gear felt as well

So how many FPS are we talking here?

… and the message that sent him on how to behave ingame. Intolerance didn’t start with play how I want people. If your being randomly abused by people, think of why that’s happening …

So what you’re telling me is.. We need to hunt down the first guy to ever treat a random PHIW’er badly.. and burn him at the stake for his actions. He caused a domino effect that is causing me grief today!

Grab your pitchforks boys, we’re gonna settle this once and for all. Elitists UNITE

Upvoting this caused my browser to crash. :D

Psst. Hay. I dug this up.

swiftpaw.6397:

Yes, I too remember the times when I would join a play how you want party in the lfg and then proceed to make their runs more efficient by playing meta. Man I was an awful individual, forcing my meta ways on them. I bet they were after nice slow runs where they could sit around with their ranged weapons and auto attack a boss while watching TV, getting downed and wiping every so often to break up the monotony.. but NO. Scumbag Swiftpaw came in and ruined it by making the mobs die faster.

Meanwhile in reality world:

• Scumbag elitist makes a group, states that he only wants zerk/scholar.. is then hit with a plague of play how you wants joining and hoping to slip through without being noticed and get carried. When he kicks them he is verbally abused in whispers. On the forums he has a ‘superiority complex’ and is ‘selfish’ for wanting a fast run.

• Play how you want makes a group with some general and non specific description -
  Evil scummy elitists avoid them and don’t join because elitists have an obvious ‘superiority complex’. Play how you want carries on with his business undisturbed. Is heralded as a hero by the community for being ‘the other side of the coin’ and a special snowflake. Can’t understand why he gets kicked from scumbag elitist’s ‘zerk+ scholar only’ advertised runs on his full cleric’s mace/shield guardian.

Man I LOVE equality.

:>

Those were the days XD

That just illustrates the issue at hand. Both sides have their indiscretions; for the most part we have all acted in ways we may find regretful. There is no value in hammering on that aspect.

The real (useful) purpose of this thread is to recognize people aren’t aligned in values, won’t align in values, unreasonable to expect people to align in values and not necessary for people to align in values to play together. People need to have realistic expectations when PUGing and if so intolerant that they won’t accept that, remove themselves from PUG’s altogether. Unfortunately, as Cookie illustrates, this is not likely the best place for a message like this to be made.

Unfortunately, if a person can’t make a message like that here, why would any other place be more likely for it to be appropriate?

You could like.. make your own thread. Kind of like how people make their own groups.

J Eberle.9312:

You could like.. make your own thread. Kind of like how people make their own groups.

That’s elitist scumbaggery.

Dub.1273:

J Eberle.9312:

You could like.. make your own thread. Kind of like how people make their own groups.

That’s elitist scumbaggery.

Scumbag Swifty at it again. :<

Torches, who wants torches!
No riot without torches!
Let us burn her now!

(I hope swifty is tasty… mhhhhhhmmmm)

This dead horse is getting kinda pulpy. Can we get a new one pls?

Obtena.7952:

That just illustrates the issue at hand. Both sides have their indiscretions; for the most part we have all acted in ways we may find regretful. There is no value in hammering on that aspect.

The real (useful) purpose of this thread is to recognize people aren’t aligned in values, won’t align in values, unreasonable to expect people to align in values and not necessary for people to align in values to play together. People need to have realistic expectations when PUGing and if so intolerant that they won’t accept that, remove themselves from PUG’s altogether. Unfortunately, as Cookie illustrates, this is not likely the best place for a message like this to be made.

Unfortunately, if a person can’t make a message like that here, why would any other place be more likely for it to be appropriate?

I don’t think telling people they can’t use the LFG system the way they want really promotes tolerance. Why shoulnd’t people be able to use the LFG note to ask for like minded people and expect that type of person to join?

Your posts really haven’t done much other than try to place blame on an entire group of players for most of the wrong doing in the dungeon community.

If a meta type player joins an open PUG with no requirements and starts barking orders and complaining people aren’t playing meta, kick the kitten.

If a non meta player joins a group asking for meta then he is also an inconsiderate kitten and deserves to be kicked.

I think kicking is too rampant in this game, I hate kicking, but people who ignore LFG notes, or people who try to force their views onto a casual run are both IMO people who deserve the boot.

This just in. Playing how you want includes being a kitten. Twitch stream soon.

Jerus.4350:

I don’t think telling people they can’t use the LFG system the way they want really promotes tolerance. Why shoulnd’t people be able to use the LFG note to ask for like minded people and expect that type of person to join?

You’re right, it doesn’t but if people are so intolerant that they behave poorly in teams, what other option is there for them other than avoid it? Why shouldn’t people expect others to be reasonable? You would like to think they are but people aren’t really considerate. Even if you advertise, that’s no guarantee people put on their best behaviour before joining a team. That’s back to the original problem … if you PUG, you get who you get, regardless of whatever safeguards are put in place for team composition.

Jerus.4350:

Your posts really haven’t done much other than try to place blame on an entire group of players for most of the wrong doing in the dungeon community.

I guess that’s one way to view it. Considering the topic is “Why people hate elitists so much?”, I don’t feel that my hypothesis is not inline with the topic. Sorry that’s not all puppies and pillows but it’s not an unreasonable hypothesis. Players with values not affected by how others play have no reason, and therefore, are more tolerant to others way of playing.

Jerus.4350:

I think kicking is too rampant in this game, I hate kicking, but people who ignore LFG notes, or people who try to force their views onto a casual run are both IMO people who deserve the boot.

I agree but there does need to be some player approach to control their team composition.

What’s really amusing to me about GW2 in general is this is the first game I’ve played where some people are absolutely insistent on telling others how to play and aggressively acting on them when they don’t … is this a thing with other games? WoW? I dunno but the idea that I play like someone tells me to because it benefits them is … strange.

Obtena.7952:

Players with values not affected by how others play have no reason, and therefore, are more tolerant to others way of playing.

That’s a bit like saying water is wet. The flip side of this is that you’re a part of a team. 1/5 of the dps, the healing, the combo fields. Some people prefer quick, smooth runs, without hiccups. The dungeons we’re talking about have been out for two years. The encounters are known, the mechanics are known, and a majority of players have experienced them ad nauseum. Asking those players, who know the dungeons in and out, to suffer through a slow, wiping, throw your bodies on it progression is a bit like working for 8 hours making minimum wage, knowing that someone is doing the same job for twice that much. If you can do better, why wouldn’t you?

I have no issue with players playing how they want. Nor do I take issue with newer players that don’t understand the game on the same level. What I do expect is that if I choose to run as efficiently as possible, to challenge myself to kill things in the quickest manner possible, and set up a group of like minded individuals to pursue that goal, that those wishes be respected in that group. Anything else is a bit like saying anyone should be able to play professional sports, since it’s just a game. There are barriers of entry into every aspect of life, be it games, sports, education, work, etc. I don’t understand why people take issue with that. Is it because it’s a game?

What’s really amusing to me about GW2 in general is this is the first game I’ve played where some people are absolutely insistent on telling others how to play and aggressively acting on them when they don’t … is this a thing with other games? WoW? I dunno but the idea that I play like someone tells me to because it benefits them is … strange.

Yes, it’s absolutely a thing with other MMOs. WoW is a different, but applicable example. People in raiding guilds were (and probably still are) expected to have BiS gear, consumables, have excellent rotations, situational awareness, and know the overly complex mechanics of very long dungeons. The biggest difference is that there were dps meters to tell how people were performing. If you didn’t make muster, you wouldn’t be asked back. It wasn’t even something you talked about. If you wanted to see the end game, you were expected to min/max.

synk.8762:

If you can do better, why wouldn’t you?

Because what is ‘better’ depends on what a player values … some people don’t want to run dungeons in 6 minute speed runs, so doing more damage isn’t ‘better’ to them. This might be crazy but I’ve been in groups that actually kill the trash. For them, that IS better. I’ve teamed with people that CARE about how their armor looks … in that specific dungeon. Weird stuff, but it shows that what YOU value is not universal, so to expect a player to simply swap to ‘the best’ build isn’t actually as easy at you think it is.

synk.8762:

Yes, it’s absolutely a thing with other MMOs. WoW is a different, but applicable example. People in raiding guilds were (and probably still are) expected to have BiS gear, consumables, have excellent rotations, situational awareness, and know the overly complex mechanics of very long dungeons. The biggest difference is that there were dps meters to tell how people were performing. If you didn’t make muster, you wouldn’t be asked back. It wasn’t even something you talked about. If you wanted to see the end game, you were expected to min/max.

OK, I can see that for WoW … but how that’s applicable to GW2. We don’t have damage meters. I’ve seen vids of people soloing content in the worst builds possible … is that done in WoW? GW2 isn’t that kind of game. It is truly ‘casual-friendly’. Why is it reasonable to have similar expectations for two completely different approaches to content?

Obtena.7952:

Why is it reasonable to have similar expectations for two completely different approaches to content?

Because …
1. Our time is limited.
2. We beat the content countless times unlike PHIW players.
3. Different mindsets. PHIW players didn’t take a step in other games dungeons, but let’s threat this as an asumption.
4. ???
5. The game is based around and advertised with active combat, not as passivedefenserangepewpewexploit.

ps: What do you gain by bashing casuals? Reputation?
Oh the irony …

Because I don’t enjoy being kicked from random groups I join on my nade/bomb engineer (as in, no requirement PUG groups for whatever) because you all have spread some stupid ideas into everyone’s heads that the only classes that are worth anything at all are Warriors, Guardians, Ele’s and sometimes mes/thieves. I’m not even trying to join “all zerker 420 huehue guard warr ele or gtfo” groups, but I still get kicked several times a week right when I click join on the lfg.

Yeah, you are most efficient, but it would be great if you didn’t make it kitten near impossible for people who play engi/necro/ranger to not face persecution when we look for groups. I’m not trash, and I’m sick of people looking at my class and assuming I am.

Obtena.7952:

OK, I can see that for WoW … but how that’s applicable to GW2. We don’t have damage meters. I’ve seen vids of people soloing content in the worst builds possible … is that done in WoW? GW2 isn’t that kind of game. It is truly ‘casual-friendly’. Why is it reasonable to have similar expectations for two completely different approaches to content?

The content may be different, but people are the same. Groups do not want to carry someone who is not contributing, be it casual or hardcore content.

Also judging by the multiple complaint threads for the simplest living story bosses, I wouldn’t say GW2 is completely casual friendly.

Khyber.2693:

Because I don’t enjoy being kicked from random groups I join on my nade/bomb engineer (as in, no requirement PUG groups for whatever) because you all have spread some stupid ideas into everyone’s heads that the only classes that are worth anything at all are Warriors, Guardians, Ele’s and sometimes mes/thieves. I’m not even trying to join “all zerker 420 huehue guard warr ele or gtfo” groups, but I still get kicked several times a week right when I click join on the lfg.

Yeah, you are most efficient, but it would be great if you didn’t make it kitten near impossible for people who play engi/necro/ranger to not face persecution when we look for groups. I’m not trash, and I’m sick of people looking at my class and assuming I am.

Although I do not PuG anymore or even dungeon all that often these days there is no doubt the “elitist” have created this type of enviornment. Now the PuGs have become the “elitist” ironically and finding a normal casual PHIW group is actually in the minority these days. (Main reason I no longer do dungeons)

Obtena.7952:

Because what is ‘better’ depends on what a player values … some people don’t want to run dungeons in 6 minute speed runs, so doing more damage isn’t ‘better’ to them. This might be crazy but I’ve been in groups that actually kill the trash. For them, that IS better. I’ve teamed with people that CARE about how their armor looks … in that specific dungeon. Weird stuff, but it shows that what YOU value is not universal, so to expect a player to simply swap to ‘the best’ build isn’t actually as easy at you think it is.

And as I said, I don’t begrudge those people their mindset or way of playing. It’s fine with me if they’re having fun. I even join those groups sometimes. My primary guild is so completely casual that most of you guys wouldn’t believe it. It’s also filled with friends who I enjoy chatting with. So yeah, I get it. BUT, when I put up a LFG that says ‘80s fast experienced’, I expect that the people that join will abide by those standards.

If you started a level 50 fractal and put ‘required 70+ AR’ in the description, then someone with no AR joined, would you let them stay? Ressing them every time agony hits? Carry them through despite your description of required AR? I understand that builds and AR aren’t the same thing, but we’re talking about degrees here, and peoples ability to understand and read a simple description.

OK, I can see that for WoW … but how that’s applicable to GW2. We don’t have damage meters. I’ve seen vids of people soloing content in the worst builds possible … is that done in WoW? GW2 isn’t that kind of game. It is truly ‘casual-friendly’. Why is it reasonable to have similar expectations for two completely different approaches to content?

Because they’re not different, other than the lack of a quantifiable meter. They’re about pushing buttons, killing mobs, damage applied, positioning, and everything else that makes a video game a video game. Some people choose to take that to an extreme in both games, for a variety of reasons. It’s about optimizing your character and the outcomes of playing it, both solo and in a group. And yes, people solo all kinds of stuff in WoW. Sometimes wearing silly outfits.

Despite what the marketing hype tells you, GW2 is no more a ‘casual friendly’ game than any other. Do you really think all of the millions of people subbing to WoW are min/max raiders? The truth is, there are just as many casuals there as there are in GW2. There’s plenty to do outside dungeons and raids. There is simply an understood barrier of entry into some content. When groups come unprepared, the results are similar. It’s a lot of wiping and throwing bodies on the pile until you make it through. The groups that demand min/maxing and preparedness are analogous to the ‘80 zerker speed’ groups in GW2, as they want smooth runs.

Sorry, I should have elaborated, rereading I just sound rude like i’m calling you out, sorry Obtena. But, I was trying to say that I think pointing the finger at the min/max community is wrong. The old saying, it takes two to tango applies here.

And no this arguement and social situation is not unique to GW2. I remember having these same types of arguments in Everquest way back.

I’ve always seen multiple groups in MMOs.

The general player – plays with little thought put into efficiency and just plugs along doing their own thing. Not causing issues, the general “PHIW” type person that won’t join a “meta” type dungeon group as they aren’t interested in any drama, just playing the game.

The White Knight – the type of player that goes around trying to defend that general type of mentality as if it needs defending. These are the PHIW type people who cause issues, the type of people who join groups or jump into conversations just to cause drama.

The higher end general player – a player who has put a little more thought into their efficiency, good players but not really interested in fully maximizing or speed runs, just wants to play well and get things done in a timely manner.

The Min/maxer – your general math nerds (meant in the most complimentary way) the guys who do speed runs and really push the envelope but don’t pass into the next category.

The Elitist – those who try to force that min/max approach on everyone regardless of the situation. Personally I like to lump in the ineffective min/maxers in here… the guys who spend 20 mins getting a full zerk group for COE then eat the first Alpha AE and complain everyone is a noob for not picking them up.

I feel that a lot of people in this sub forum come off as elitist but the more I read the more I feel it’s just a lot of min/maxers who are sick and tired of the white knights.

As for LFGs getting what you get. I see it like fishing, you can always throw it back, though personally I’ll take anything because in the end I’ll have fun either way, just like I’ll fry up most any fish for delicious tacos. I know people who ask for pinged gear and their builds and spend 20 minutes setting up a group for a 5 minute path, I don’t think there is anything wrong with that. Personally I toss up notes as a request instead of a requirement but it’s not bad to enforce what you ask for.

Still not sure if this thread is serious or not…….

And omfg I just realized that PHIW stood for play how I want (not the smartest) I thought it was a guild that all the white knights joined just to team up and spite us

And I put myself between the high end general player and the min/maxer

So three pages of “You started it” “No you started it” back and forth am I right? What happens to people like me who like to be an elitist and phiw? I have kicked myself out of my own groups before because I am too kitten awesome and got jelly of myself.

Bingo you
Bingo you
You’re cool
Bingo you

Ain’ gon stop me bein’ a scumbag elitist :p

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RagNoRawk.3625:

Llyren.3904:

Quite unreasonable. People that believe in playing how they want, sometimes communicate how they want to play with others through their recruiting messages. This is the opposite of not caring how others play.

Kittens are Kittens no matter their fur color, or lack of fur.

I disagree. Kittens with out fur are disgusting alien babies. Not kittens.

Disgusting alien babies need hugs too.

I’m gonna go with superiority complex. I’m an amazing dancer and nobody’s going to do it better :P

J Eberle.9312:

I’m gonna go with superiority complex. I’m an amazing dancer and nobody’s going to do it better :P

I think I just did it better

Minigrump.4961:

J Eberle.9312:

I’m gonna go with superiority complex. I’m an amazing dancer and nobody’s going to do it better :P

I think I just did it better

I have been outplayed. Now I will have to get angry about it and grief those scumbag elitist LFG ads as revenge.

Scumbag elitists? More like scumbag casuals. Who runs berserker or assassins gear? we all know Nomads gear is the strongest gear in the game.

/goes off and stabs himself for saying such things

Minigrump.4961:

Scumbag elitists? More like scumbag casuals. Who runs berserker or assassins gear? we all know Nomads gear is the strongest gear in the game.

/goes off and stabs himself for saying such things

Can’t stay hip and cool unless you do what the non-toxic part of the community is doing. It’s important to be up to date.

Certain someone is making me want to bash my head against a wall until either one of them breaks.