Guild Wars 2

Warhorn was just the worst possible option. Offhand dagger and focus are already really great, so even if warhorn is somehow equally as good as those (doubtful) it will just be an even trade. We will still be left with very poor mainhand weapons that are essentially filler for the offhands. That is why people don’t like warhorn, because they will be forced to use a bad mainhand weapon in order to use this new weapon which was the problem we were specifically trying to avoid.

Right. I’ve thought about it, I’ve slept on it… and I’m still completely salty about this.

The thing is, timing. If Anet had decided they wanted to try and make the warhorn cool at the expense of the class they’re using to do so in a future specialization update, then I would have been cool with it. I could’ve justified it as “well, we got something awesome the first time round, I guess we can take one for the team this time. Let the five or so people who for some reason are into the warhorn have their fun now”.
By releasing this as part of the first specialization for the class, it’s just underwhelming, a total hype-killer and deeply frustrating.
Few people want this, and even the ones who do, or bizarrely defend this decision struggle to come up with anything even just remotely appealing.

Gaaroth.2567:

Laraley.7695:

BlackBeard.2873:

Laraley.7695:

SoulstitchMMO.1396:

Apparently I’m the only one excited to the a warhorn storm generator

Yeah, so great if only ele couldn’t summon storms with 7 skills already. Next please.

I’m quite mad at myself for buying the xpack. I thought ANet would listen to the ele community, but I should have known better.

Hahaha, did you REALLY think ANet has a CLUE about the ele community? You have to know better than that. Regardless, it is good that your hope is dying, as now you can be more real with your expectations.

As a general rule, I expect complete ineptitude, and am pleasantly surprised when they do something competent.

Well, in my defense they were listening about other stuff regarding the rev, EA before…so I thought they might actually visit the ele forums for once. I guess that’s a good strategy, but they’re losing customers by not caring about their opinion at all.

“Hey Anet I want my ele to be a supersayan and have a melee staff that grows on my command to cleave people!!1!1!!1!!” Not getting it? “Anet does not listen to us!!11!1!!”
Cmon, i use ele to, lets see before how turns out, then judge. You know, like reasonable people, not kids.
If it turns out bad than you have all the rights to complain.

You just simply don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, ele does not need an offhand. There’s little variety in the playstyles, because the class lacks some solid choice of weapons. Adding an offhand won’t change it, there’s nothing more you need to know. So maybe restrain from calling other people kids.

Laraley.7695:

You just simply don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, ele does not need an offhand. There’s little variety in the playstyles, because the class lacks some solid choice of weapons. Adding an offhand won’t change it, there’s nothing more you need to know. So maybe restrain from calling other people kids.

The specialisation add variety, not by the weapon, but by the change it make to a class, and that we’ll only be able to know it when they show us how tempest work.

Where is the double sword everyone was waiting for? How can you do this to us time after time? Speechless…

What a load of crap! There are infinite possibilities on how to make swords work for elementalists and this is just insolence. They sure as hell better bring the swords out soon or riot will arise!

Lol…“mesmer? Shield?Phewy!!!” … Couple days later “Oh! Ok.” O.o… I was hoping yall would get a sword too (so the Mrs. would get in there and get her hands dirty) but honestly, the rest of the reveals have been exciting and new (one names aside). Anet loves to try and make stuff look and sound (maybe not always function) great. Remember, this first round of elite specs is supposed to introduce new play styles/functions. Warhorn is not the sexiest weapon but it fits tempest very well. Will probably still be a new take on close-mid range options for ele. My ele is listening.

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Will they also tell us why no one bothered to visit the ele forums and figure out there are so many people who hate the idea of warhorn? I would like to know that.

Eh. I’d prefer they made it main-hand simply because I want the concept of off-hand-only weapons to die, but it actually could be interesting. I actually like musical weapons and, though warhorn is rather dull on that front, its the closest thing we currently have (save for the minstrel).
I’ll agree the current selection of skins suck though. Only a few of them really stand out.
:-/

nearlight.3064:

The OP’s maturity level is so impressive.

/endthread

The irony in your statement makes me laugh.

You talk about maturity and yet cannot grasped the simple concept of opinions. Part of growing up is understanding that people will have a different opinion than yours. It isn’t the end of the world, if you like the war horn that’s cool, we don’t and we get to complain about. That’s why forums exist.

The point being, stop projecting your insecurities.

magestik.4132:

Laraley.7695:

You just simply don’t get it. It doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, ele does not need an offhand. There’s little variety in the playstyles, because the class lacks some solid choice of weapons. Adding an offhand won’t change it, there’s nothing more you need to know. So maybe restrain from calling other people kids.

The specialisation add variety, not by the weapon, but by the change it make to a class, and that we’ll only be able to know it when they show us how tempest work.

Maybe read most of the arguments first before commenting. The problem with the war horn is that it currently competes with two good off hands, while the 2 main hands suck a lot. That’s it, singularity isn’t going to change that fact.

Laraley.7695:

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Will they also tell us why no one bothered to visit the ele forums and figure out there are so many people who hate the idea of warhorn? I would like to know that.

probably because its more important for the weapon to fit the spec or they know that the few ppl being unhappy with warhorn do not represent the majority of the community but just a fraction of the forumgoers which is already just a small fraction of the people who play the game?

Dont like warhorn? that’s fine, you dont have to use it to enjoy the new specialization but claiming that the “majority” hate warhorn because some are voal about it isnt exactly correct. Feel free to pull up the numbers that state that those who hate warhorn far outnumber those who love it, tho.

Obviously Anet saw the warhorn more fitting for an elite specialization to do with calling up storms (judging from the name “tempest” ) than something like sword. It’s definately a thing in lore with a famous horn called stormcaller.

There will always be people unhappy about something, there is no fixing that. So they decide what fits the specialization that they made instead of forcing themselves to the few vocal people who dont rly represent the majority. Tbf, its hard to get a real grasp of what the majority think about something when a lot of people dont even post or even visit the forums. After all, those unhappy with the weapon can still enjoy the other parts of the specialization with other weapons, one isnt forced into the warhorn.

Sword will probably come at some point, when new specs are announced.

PlatinumMember.5274:

nearlight.3064:

The OP’s maturity level is so impressive.

/endthread

The irony in your statement makes me laugh.

You talk about maturity and yet cannot grasped the simple concept of opinions. Part of growing up is understanding that people will have a different opinion than yours. It isn’t the end of the world, if you like the war horn that’s cool, we don’t and we get to complain about. That’s why forums exist.

The point being, stop projecting your insecurities.

Erm…. isn’t that double irony? Telling people that people have different opinions so they shouldn’t “criticise” an opinion while basically telling him to stop telling his, which is sort of the same thing?

dsslive.8473:

Laraley.7695:

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Will they also tell us why no one bothered to visit the ele forums and figure out there are so many people who hate the idea of warhorn? I would like to know that.

probably because its more important for the weapon to fit the spec or they know that the few ppl being unhappy with warhorn do not represent the majority of the community but just a fraction of the forumgoers which is already just a small fraction of the people who play the game?

Dont like warhorn? that’s fine, you dont have to use it to enjoy the new specialization but claiming that the “majority” hate warhorn because some are voal about it isnt exactly correct. Feel free to pull up the numbers that state that those who hate warhorn far outnumber those who love it, tho.

Obviously Anet saw the warhorn more fitting for an elite specialization to do with calling up storms (judging from the name “tempest” ) than something like sword. It’s definately a thing in lore with a famous horn called stormcaller.

There will always be people unhappy about something, there is no fixing that. So they decide what fits the specialization that they made instead of forcing themselves to the few vocal people who dont rly represent the majority. Tbf, its hard to get a real grasp of what the majority think about something when a lot of people dont even post or even visit the forums. After all, those unhappy with the weapon can still enjoy the other parts of the specialization with other weapons, one isnt forced into the warhorn.

Sword will probably come at some point, when new specs are announced.

Did I ever say majority? No. I said ‘’a lot of people hated the idea’’ which is true. And there is a lot of people disappointed now. Good thing they care about lore more than the actual gameplay.

FrizzFreston.5290:

PlatinumMember.5274:

nearlight.3064:

The OP’s maturity level is so impressive.

/endthread

The irony in your statement makes me laugh.

You talk about maturity and yet cannot grasped the simple concept of opinions. Part of growing up is understanding that people will have a different opinion than yours. It isn’t the end of the world, if you like the war horn that’s cool, we don’t and we get to complain about. That’s why forums exist.

The point being, stop projecting your insecurities.

Erm…. isn’t that double irony? Telling people that people have different opinions so they shouldn’t “criticise” an opinion while basically telling him to stop telling his, which is sort of the same thing?

He was insulting someone else, not sharing his opinion.

IMO, reworking Conjures is the answer. My ideas:

1) Conjures all have a cast time of 1/2 second, with the exception of Conjure Earth Shield.
2) Conjure Earth Shield has an instant cast time, and breaks stun when cast.
3) Conjures all have a recharge of 60 seconds, including Conjure Fiery Greatsword, and no longer have charges (they have 100% uptime.)
4) Conjures no longer disappear when dropped, and can be picked up and dropped repeatedly until the Conjure summon skill itself recharges, at which point the weapon will disappear.
5) Conjurer trait reworked: Conjure weapon summon skills’ recharge reduced to 45 seconds. Conjured weapons grant Fire Aura when summoned or picked up (45 second cooldown.) Conjured weapons create an effect around them when summoned:
——Conjure Flame Axe: creates a Flame Burst where summoned (same as Staff Fire 3, but with a radius of 180) [Synergy with Blinding Ashes and other burning-related traits.]
——Conjure Frost Bow: creates a Cleansing Wave where summoned (same as Evasive Arcana in Water)
——Conjure Lightning Hammer: dazes foes where summoned (1 second, 180 radius, 5 target maximum) [Synergy with Lightning Rod.]
——Conjure Earth Shield: grants Magnetic Aura where summoned (same as Staff Earth 3, but with a radius of 180, and a 5 target maximum) [Synergy with Elemental Shielding and other aura-related traits.]
——Conjure Fiery Greatsword: current effect, with an increased radius of 180, increased target limit of 5, and a Blast finisher
—-(Possible: Conjurer trait switches places with One with Fire trait.)

Having 100% uptime on Conjures with these changes might seem OP, but remember that holding onto a Conjured weapon locks you out of your Attunement weapon skills, dropping/picking up the weapons isn’t instant, and you have to be aware of positioning when deciding where/when to drop/pick up the weapons, so there are trade-offs. Also, these changes encourage taking one or two Conjures to round out a build while still making a triple-Conjure build an iffy proposition.

I also just realized that, if the datamined singularity skills end up being powerful enough to warrant camping an attunement, Conjure builds might actually be viable in Air or Water.

Would love your thoughts.

we are getting off topic.

The topic was if buying the Xpack depend only on one weapon for one class?

dsslive.8473:

the few ppl being unhappy with warhorn do not represent the majority of the community but just a fraction of the forumgoers which is already just a small fraction of the people who play the game?

Seems to me that the negative opinions do outweigh the positive ones- taking into consideration that many of the ‘positive’ voices are still expressing disappointment, but take a ‘well, let’s wait and see’ or ‘maybe this can be good (but I have only meh ideas as to how)’ mentality, rather than outright excitement, which appears to be rare.

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dsslive.8473:

Laraley.7695:

Gaile Gray.6029:

I really encourage y’all to turn into Points of Interest on Friday on our Twitch channel. They’ll be showing the warhorn and skills and all that good stuff, and then you can better get a view of how it works as the Elementalist’s elite specialization.

Will they also tell us why no one bothered to visit the ele forums and figure out there are so many people who hate the idea of warhorn? I would like to know that.

probably because its more important for the weapon to fit the spec or they know that the few ppl being unhappy with warhorn do not represent the majority of the community but just a fraction of the forumgoers which is already just a small fraction of the people who play the game?

Dont like warhorn? that’s fine, you dont have to use it to enjoy the new specialization but claiming that the “majority” hate warhorn because some are voal about it isnt exactly correct. Feel free to pull up the numbers that state that those who hate warhorn far outnumber those who love it, tho.

Obviously Anet saw the warhorn more fitting for an elite specialization to do with calling up storms (judging from the name “tempest” ) than something like sword. It’s definately a thing in lore with a famous horn called stormcaller.

There will always be people unhappy about something, there is no fixing that. So they decide what fits the specialization that they made instead of forcing themselves to the few vocal people who dont rly represent the majority. Tbf, its hard to get a real grasp of what the majority think about something when a lot of people dont even post or even visit the forums. After all, those unhappy with the weapon can still enjoy the other parts of the specialization with other weapons, one isnt forced into the warhorn.

Sword will probably come at some point, when new specs are announced.

The wishful thinking is strong with this one….

magestik.4132:

we are getting off topic.

The topic was if buying the Xpack depend only on one weapon for one class?

I’m buying due to reaper and also the fact that 100 isn’t that much to me.

Laraley.7695:

Did I ever say majority? No. I said ‘’a lot of people hated the idea’’ which is true. And there is a lot of people disappointed now. Good thing they care about lore more than the actual gameplay.

The “majority” thing wasnt just a response to you but most posters who dont like it that talk about how most ppl dont like it, so apologies for that, got slipped into it i guess but point still stands just slightly less relevant to yours. Ofcourse there will be people who are disappointed, there will always be people that are disappointed.

Well it is hard to judge the gameplay decision about it when we haven’t seen any gameplay of it, we know nothing of what it will offer. So can’t really judge something we so far know nothing about yet.

And choosing a weapon that fits the spec is important, “lets make a sniper elite spec and give it a shield!” bit of an exageration but the point still stands.

Bio Flame.4276:

The wishful thinking is strong with this one….

Not so much wishful thinking, just not judging what i know nothing about. I’ll save my opinion on this spec till i’ve seen the stream and read the blog. Till then its hard to be negative without some actual information.

skullfaerie.7203:

Seems to me that the negative opinions do outweigh the positive ones- taking into consideration that many of the ‘positive’ voices are still expressing disappointment, but take a ‘well, let’s wait and see’ or ‘maybe this can be good (but I have only meh ideas as to how)’ mentality, rather than outright excitement, which appears to be rare.

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Well if i was expecting weapon x instead of weapon y , i’d be bit disappointed too (the burdens of datamining :p). And ye there are many posters that dont like the warhorn and are expressing that , but its a fraction of the playerbase. Most likely they’ll get over it since you’re not forced into the weapon.

Personally i like the warhorn as a weapon and find it very fitiing for a “tempest” spec, but reality is that until i know more about the entire spec i can’t judge whether it will be good or not.

People weren’t excited for mesmer shield either till they saw what it brought.

well, I remember on the last datamine we get a bunch of glyph’s skins, so it isnt so far fetched. I doubt they will have the same C, but could very well be like glyphs where effects change only a little, and we might actually get shafted on the utilities by getting some random glyphs nobody would use again. Lets hope not

dsslive.8473:

Well if i was expecting weapon x instead of weapon y , i’d be bit disappointed too (the burdens of datamining :p). And ye there are many posters that dont like the warhorn and are expressing that , but its a fraction of the playerbase. Most likely they’ll get over it since you’re not forced into the weapon.

Personally i like the warhorn as a weapon and find it very fitiing for a “tempest” spec, but reality is that until i know more about the entire spec i can’t judge whether it will be good or not.

People weren’t excited for mesmer shield either till they saw what it brought.

By that very same logic, the people expressing that they like the idea of the warhorn are only a fraction of the playerbase as well- an even smaller fraction, in fact. So, I don’t see your point with this particular argument.

As for shield- that is again in a totally different league. A shield always had the potential to be fun and interesting (imo). The warhorn, not so much. And the mesmer got an exciting-looking shield in addition to their exciting new skills, just in case there was any doubt. The ele…. well… the warhorn we’re getting doesn’t appear to be breaking any moulds for the weapon. It looks like someone took a horn and squeezed Decoden whipped cream all over it. Is that ugly thing meant to make the warhorn more appealing?
So far, the teaser gives me zero reason to believe this will be good. But, naturally, I reserve full judgment until after all is revealed. I just have little to no hope that anything could compensate for the actual weapon being a warhorn.

One of two things is going to happen with Warhorn:

1. It’s going to be wildly OP and will eclipse the Dagger/Focus offhands and become mandatory for 1h based builds.

2. It’s going to not be wildly OP and Dagger/Focus offhands will still be the preferred choice regardless because they’re both already crazy good options.

Utilities are in the same boat basically. From a survivability perspective it’s incredibly, incredibly difficult to be better than Cantrips. Teleport, invuln, huge stacks of stability it’s a tough crowd. From a DPS perspective its’ hard to match things like Conjure Frostbow or Glyph of Storms. Probably the biggest thing to be excited for is the Ultimate since the rest of our Ultimates are pretty lackluster.

Tempest mechanic itself is counter intuitive with the rest of the class design and would make more sense with a new 2h weapon. Most current weapons (dagger, scepter) are balanced around the idea of having various defenses on other attunements. For example there’s really no defensive moves in Fire outside of Burning Retreat and maybe Fire Aura (but it’s defensive add is largely irrelevant). In order to get the boons and defensive moves we need to survive we have to swap attunements. A whole new 2h option could resolve this by allowing each attunement set to work better if you camp it the entire time via skills.

Essentially the problem is we already drive a Ferrari. Anything less than a Ferrari and it’s like “Why?”

skullfaerie.7203:

dsslive.8473:

Well if i was expecting weapon x instead of weapon y , i’d be bit disappointed too (the burdens of datamining :p). And ye there are many posters that dont like the warhorn and are expressing that , but its a fraction of the playerbase. Most likely they’ll get over it since you’re not forced into the weapon.

Personally i like the warhorn as a weapon and find it very fitiing for a “tempest” spec, but reality is that until i know more about the entire spec i can’t judge whether it will be good or not.

People weren’t excited for mesmer shield either till they saw what it brought.

By that very same logic, the people expressing that they like the idea of the warhorn are only a fraction of the playerbase as well- an even smaller fraction, in fact. So, I don’t see your point with this particular argument.

As for shield- that is again in a totally different league. A shield always had the potential to be fun and interesting (imo). The warhorn, not so much. And the mesmer got an exciting-looking shield in addition to their exciting new skills, just in case there was any doubt. The ele…. well… the warhorn we’re getting doesn’t appear to be breaking any moulds for the weapon. It looks like someone took a horn and squeezed Decoden whipped cream all over it. Is that ugly thing meant to make the warhorn more appealing?
So far, the teaser gives me zero reason to believe this will be good. But, naturally, I reserve full judgment until after all is revealed. I just have little to no hope that anything could compensate for the actual weapon being a warhorn.

Never said that those who like it weren’t just a fraction too my point is that claiming “most/all/majority” hate it, is a non-argument because there are no statistics backing it up, in general its rly non-sensible argument (for both sides to use btw) and adds no real value to any discussion about it.

Warhorn has as much potential to be fun as a shield, subjective opinions aside, the fun of a weapon comes from its skills and how its used. Which this one piece of art doesnt really show and will hopefully be shown during the actual reveal. There are some really nice warhorn skins, tho i do agree, from the datamined picture, not a fan of the specific ones the ele’s get from their spec, then against i dont like the look of the chronomancer shield either. (i like the shield revenant supposedly will get for its elite spec much better looking )

I’ve always liked the warhorn as a weapon (can’t wait for them to add it to the mesmer -my main- in some hopefully awesome spec) i just dont rly play any of the professions that have them as a weapon atm, do like the ranger warhorn tho , but dont play ranger much. The big question is will the warhorn on ele be good/awesome, or the opposite, and we’ll get that answer later this week.

I’m not going to argue against the ascetics of the warhorn since that is so subjective. It sucks if you aren’t a fan of it from that point of view so hopefully the next elite specialization will be more to your liking.

What I would like to discuss, is the idea that another off hand is a bad choice because the dagger and focus are already good options and the current main hand weapons feel lackluster in comparison.

If their goal is to provide further build diversity with these Elite Specs (which I think it is) then they need to be very careful about which weapons they add and when they add them. Adding a new main hand weapon that clearly outshines the current choices would be counterproductive to their goals, because everyone would just be running that weapon all the time. By giving us another (hopefully good) option for off hand, that will actually create more interesting choices for us, as there shouldn’t be one weapon that is always superior.

dsslive.8473:

the fun of a weapon comes from its skills and how its used. .

Subjective, I like looking at my weapon too and if it doesn’t visually appease me (skin wise and animation), I won’t use it even if it’s OP and has interesting mechanics. I wouldn’t use focus till I could make Anomaly as I just couldn’t stand the eyesore that most of the foci are to me.

I don’t mind the handicap though, the more challenge the better. I will agree that we need to wait to see what it offers though, but I can say that there’s an 80% chance I won’t use it solely based on that.

Atlas.4509:

I’m not going to argue against the ascetics of the warhorn since that is so subjective. It sucks if you aren’t a fan of it from that point of view so hopefully the next elite specialization will be more to your liking.

What I would like to discuss, is the idea that another off hand is a bad choice because the dagger and focus are already good options and the current main hand weapons feel lackluster in comparison.

If their goal is to provide further build diversity with these Elite Specs (which I think it is) then they need to be very careful about which weapons they add and when they add them. Adding a new main hand weapon that clearly outshines the current choices would be counterproductive to their goals, because everyone would just be running that weapon all the time. By giving us another (hopefully good) option for off hand, that will actually create more interesting choices for us, as there shouldn’t be one weapon that is always superior.

The current mainhands aren’t bad, dagger mainhand is very good and scepter only needs tweaks to bring it to par. In PvE though, they are very behind staff as far as damage which is the main issue there.

The problem with creating an offhand that is support is that it has to compete with the current crop of offhands that are already very very good and cover a wide variety of support options. So either it will have to bring something you can’t get at all or it won’t be considered or it will completely outshine the current ones and you won’t take them any more.

The problem with creating a damage based offhand is that there will be no survivability as the current crop of mainhands we do have are mostly damage oriented.

Offhand in general for ele is pretty well covered and a tough crowd to compete with as most things are covered and has the same issue that you mention with creating a mainhand. Mainhand however, still has 1 area that isn’t covered, a true melee weapon (max 240 range) so that is where a future weapon can be placed.

First of all sorry for my english.

As a mesmer, I must say I like more the war horn look than the shield one, actually I hate using shields in RPGs and MMOs, but i didn’t complain when we obtained a weapon that doesn’t look nice for me. I can complain about the fact that we have 5 very good OH weapons for only 2 decent MH weapons, which is unbalanced IMO (we needed more options for MH).

However, regarding the look of war horn, shield or any other weapon, you have to bear in mind that it is just a thing of personal preference, and devs cannot satisfy to everyone.

10/10 would read post again

One thing no one is thinking is that more elite specs are coming out in the future. Are you expecting for your main to get sword, greatsword, hammer, etc. Some classes are going to get an ohh hand weapon. Elite specs aren’t meant to fix classes. Also, you don’t have to use the new weapon to use The new spec. Right now d/d cele is water/arcana and preference. You can still use d/d and spec into tempest as your 3 traitline. It might be good.

So don’t buy it if you want to. But even if we were getting a sword, it’s sad you’d pay $50 just to use a weapon. There’s a lot of cool stuff coming in the expansion, and if none of it appeals to you except wielding a sword, why do you even play? I wanted a sword, got a warhorn. Oh well. Still going to have fun tweaking builds as the meta changes with the new specs.

dsslive.8473:

Warhorn has as much potential to be fun as a shield, subjective opinions aside, the fun of a weapon comes from its skills and how its used. Which this one piece of art doesnt really show and will hopefully be shown during the actual reveal. There are some really nice warhorn skins, tho i do agree, from the datamined picture, not a fan of the specific ones the ele’s get from their spec, then against i dont like the look of the chronomancer shield either. (i like the shield revenant supposedly will get for its elite spec much better looking )

Obviously this is a (subjective) question of aesthetics, but personally, I don’t like a single one. Believe me, I’ve looked. Not just recently, but previously, when I was dabbling in the professions that use it. Not even Howler (imo). I hate the animations, I hate the looks, I hate its functionality… yeah. I just completely loathe the thing. I was never able to get into any of the classes that use it, and I guess there’s a reason.
And the teaser has done nothing to change this. The Chronomancer shield is at least visually interesting, and there are many other distinctive options available- you say yourself there’s one you like coming up This lame cream-dressed horn is just… yet another eyesore. It doesn’t matter how you dress it up, visually or skill-wise…. it’s still a horn, it’s still meant for blowing into, which isn’t particularly appealing. Ugh.

This is in addition to the concerns regarding functionality that have been extensively discussed by the community in this and other threads.

Knighthonor.4061:

What is skill 4 summoned a storm and skill 5 moved it around like Revenant Tablet?

That could be cool actually.

Because eles do not have any skills to call up storms already
…oh wait.

OneKlicKill.4285:

Arobain.8274:

soulstitch, these guys are elitist, theres nothing we can do for em

I mean I can call you a fanboy, obvious by your post history, but me being an elitist(by the way you should look up that word since you use it so much, it doesn’t mean what you think it means) doesn’t have anything to do with this.

The vast majority of the class and nearly ALL of the competitive players who know the ins and outs of this class and what it actually needs, agree that we need a melee weapon with true melee range and auto attack range. They agree that scepter is situational at best and needs some serious rework. They agree that OH dagger and focus are two extremely good offhands covering the majority of our OH needs, they agree we have a lot of team support and need a weapon that can bring self defense and utility in offense such as blinds, blocks, evades, teleports, disables; so we have ways to get away from cele amulet, sustain arc/water, and cantrips.

Warhorn can not bring us this, it will bring us either more AOE support or condi, none of which we need. And the only way tempest will work now is if it modifies all of our current weapons similar to reaper and shroud. Especially if it promotes attun camping, we have all of 2 auto attacks in this game that are actually decent out of 12, fire staff and air dagger. Sword was our chance to leave the cele/soldier history of our class behind and become a true damage dealer not having to use boons and tough/vit amulets as a crutch.

Enlighten me : why do ele NEED a true melee weapon ? What kidn of niche could it fill that the dagger does not ?

I believe all this madness springs from a very basic and childish feeling : why can’t I have the same toys the mesmer has ?

The hope some of you had was based on some VERY OLD datamining that has been nullified a few weeks ago by a second wave of datamining.

The people who actually give a kitten about the game and follow what’s going on saw it coming from far away.

Also : look at the chronomancer shield. In the meantime GET OVER IT.

Nighty.9721:

Ah… no, warhorn skins are bad.
And the weapon itself lacks appeal.

Your opinion man.

Personnaly I could use some variety : I’m sick of seeing GS/swords/staves all over the place.

Time to give the underdog weapons some love.

What niche does warhorn fill?

Inb4 8 skills that have the same animation.

Batelle.1680:

I don’t know if it’s funny or sad that people are actually mad that warhorns aren’t “sexy” (?) and apparently think it goes “toot”? I’ve yet to see a focus skin that makes me weak in the knees, but it doesn’t make me discount it as a weapon or disdain its existence. Also, I’ve played more hours on warhorn-toting toons than any other in GW2, and I’m about 100% positive that I have never heard a single one of them toot.

Apparently you haven’t used either the super warhorn skin or the crimson lion (I think that was name, it was a BL skin)…
(I like the super warhorn sound though )

Lightsbane.9012:

If it’s got good ranged damage, it’ll probably be very heavily gated by huge cooldowns.

Any off hand usually has really long cooldowns, so no matter how good the skills are we aren’t going to be using them that quickly…

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Warhorn was just the worst possible option. Offhand dagger and focus are already really great, so even if warhorn is somehow equally as good as those (doubtful) it will just be an even trade. We will still be left with very poor mainhand weapons that are essentially filler for the offhands. That is why people don’t like warhorn, because they will be forced to use a bad mainhand weapon in order to use this new weapon which was the problem we were specifically trying to avoid.

Exactly.

Knighthonor.4061:

What is skill 4 summoned a storm and skill 5 moved it around like Revenant Tablet?

That could be cool actually.

Sounds awesome but what about having 8 skills when in reality it would be 1,5?

Raif.9507:

dsslive.8473:

the fun of a weapon comes from its skills and how its used. .

Subjective, I like looking at my weapon too and if it doesn’t visually appease me (skin wise and animation), I won’t use it even if it’s OP and has interesting mechanics. I wouldn’t use focus till I could make Anomaly as I just couldn’t stand the eyesore that most of the foci are to me.

I don’t mind the handicap though, the more challenge the better. I will agree that we need to wait to see what it offers though, but I can say that there’s an 80% chance I won’t use it solely based on that.

And as i responded to you earlier, i believe, you are free not to use it, there is still more to enjoy from the new spec

but it doesnt mean warhorn is a bad addition, just not what some people would have wanted or were hoping for .

Looks are one of the most important things about my characters and i have plenty characters i have use a weapon because it looks great with the overal look even if its not the best weaponset the burdens of creating the perfect look ^^

Anyhow, can’t wait to find out what the weapon will offer and the spec in general.

If it doesn’t magically turn into a sword – I already hate it.
Warhorn is lame… and that’s the first reason why I don’t like it. I could mention other reasons more related to gameplay but the main reason is that simple.

rotten.9753:

What niche does warhorn fill?

The niche that results in a significant percentage of ele either not buying the xpac or moving to something better.

Or

The nonexistent niche that only Arena net can see.

VodCom.6924:

Enlighten me : why do ele NEED a true melee weapon ? What kidn of niche could it fill that the dagger does not ?

I believe all this madness springs from a very basic and childish feeling : why can’t I have the same toys the mesmer has ?

The hope some of you had was based on some VERY OLD datamining that has been nullified a few weeks ago by a second wave of datamining.

The people who actually give a kitten about the game and follow what’s going on saw it coming from far away.

Also : look at the chronomancer shield. In the meantime GET OVER IT.

Because we have no way to cleave in melee outside of…1 ability in terms of weapons. Sadly, you’re in the boat that doesn’t understand why this is a huge disadvantage for all forms of content, but I can only speak for PvE.

So, staff is pretty much dominant in the current meta in PvE…until we start fighting mobile mobs. You know…what might be considered challenging content. Staff is the best DPS in what WoW deemed a Patchwerk fight. Essentially a boss fight with no mechanics for DPS to avoid and the boss would stay in the same place the entire fight. Once a boss starts moving, Staff DPS can start lowering as the abilities take more time to land…or even might be difficult to land.

Now to circumvent this problem, we’d need some form of melee burst with an actual cleave mechanic. This why we can just be close enough to the boss to continue to do damage. Scepter and Staff pretty much have the same problem of needing to have stationary targets to do their damage. Dagger on the other hand isn’t as limited.

So, run dagger simple solution! Except not really. Fire is pretty much a necessity for damage as Burning Speed is a very strong ability. On top of now lasting longer to blast out more might and give out fury. And now we get to the problem of Lightning Whip. So, in order to play dagger to its fullest damage, we need the most access to lightning whip. Solution: Fresh Air. Okay, that solves that problem, but opens up another. Now we HAVE to pick 2 specializations in order to even get Dagger/X to compete with staff.

Now then, let’s add Tempest and Warhorn into the mix. Say that Warhorn pretty much gives us enough damage and utility to be a comparable choice to Focus. In order to run a dagger build in PvE, Fire-Air-Tempest are mandatory. And if bosses are very mobile…yep pretty much mandatory.

This is NOTHING AT ALL like Mesmer getting Shield. Mesmer is not kitten for having a shield. Chronomancer might be an alternative, but it might not be necessary. And even then Mesmers and EVERY other profession will have access to a regular melee weapon with cleave. You might argue Engineers don’t, but rifle is very mobile and doesn’t require a sitting target to do damage….and their toolkit outshines our Lightning Hammer in terms of mechanics as it doesn’t remove their toolbelt AND their weapon slots. (We essentially lose 21 skills and our class emchanics to run a conjure).

So please educate yourself before saying get over it. A lot of us want Warhorn to be good. The problem with warhorn IS NOT warhorn. It’s that we don’t have any good main hands. I’m hoping that dagger is given better and regular autoattacks in the upcoming expansion as it fits their design principle concerning Elite specs. However, without such a change, elementalists are now at a huge disadvantage for fighting mobile bosses.

Atoss.1056:

I can’t understand why ppl complain when they haven’t even seen the skill set yet. Not to mention why would you want another close range dagger-like weapon… Warhorn seems interesting.

Why would you want another close range dagger-like offhand or another ranged focus-like offhand?

dsslive.8473:

And as i responded to you earlier, i believe, you are free not to use it, there is still more to enjoy from the new spec

but it doesnt mean warhorn is a bad addition, just not what some people would have wanted or were hoping for .

Looks are one of the most important things about my characters and i have plenty characters i have use a weapon because it looks great with the overal look even if its not the best weaponset the burdens of creating the perfect look ^^

Anyhow, can’t wait to find out what the weapon will offer and the spec in general.

Any addition is good, but it has to be a something worthwhile for it to be healthy for the game. Adding content for the sake of adding content isn’t good if it isn’t something that is worthwhile. It becomes a waste of resources if it isn’t something used.

That said, we need to actually see Tempest before it can be said that it isn’t something worthwhile.

Raif.9507:

dsslive.8473:

And as i responded to you earlier, i believe, you are free not to use it, there is still more to enjoy from the new spec

but it doesnt mean warhorn is a bad addition, just not what some people would have wanted or were hoping for .

Looks are one of the most important things about my characters and i have plenty characters i have use a weapon because it looks great with the overal look even if its not the best weaponset the burdens of creating the perfect look ^^

Anyhow, can’t wait to find out what the weapon will offer and the spec in general.

Any addition is good, but it has to be a something worthwhile for it to be healthy for the game. Adding content for the sake of adding content isn’t good if it isn’t something that is worthwhile. It becomes a waste of resources if it isn’t something used.

That said, we need to actually see Tempest before it can be said that it isn’t something worthwhile.

Well yeah, but like you said can’t call it not worthwile without seeing what it does. And not liking whats added doesnt make it a worthless addition, either, unless ofc there is a universal agreement that it sucks.

VodCom.6924:

Nighty.9721:

Ah… no, warhorn skins are bad.
And the weapon itself lacks appeal.

Your opinion man.

Personnaly I could use some variety : I’m sick of seeing GS/swords/staves all over the place.

Time to give the underdog weapons some love.

Short bow wants a word.

I’m excited to see what the Warhorn has to offer the Elementalist, but we’ll see if it can get me off of my staff :-P

Looks like you guys couldn’t wait to blow that warhorn

rotten.9753:

Inb4 8 skills that have the same animation.

Really hoping this won’t be the case.

That would…blow….

Retsuko.2035:

Looks like you guys couldn’t wait to blow that warhorn

It seems like a lot of people here are blowing that war horn, not that there is anything wrong with that.

Knighthonor.4061:

Sigmoid.7082:

Id say the necro one comes close to the being ok like the warriors, i mean it does daze/interrupt apart from that, not much more.

Until you play necro for ages you really dont feel how valuable warhorn #5 is.

^——this.

necro Warhorn is valued!

Best melee off hand for Necro.

I love my SAB Warhorn on my Dagger/Warhorn Necro.

Lotta weapons need more love in this game and Warhorn is one~ so few classes have it, just like SB, Mace, Hammer, Torch and so on~ they seem to be addressing those weapons with some of these specs… Now if only they could push the meowvelope further by making offhands mainhands. Still want my mainhand Torch Thief and Dual Focus Warrior. ;s