Guild Wars 2

Teon.5168:

sirflamesword.3896:

Teon.5168:

Sounds like the solution is simple for you. Play GW1.

There are a few of us who would LOVE to go back to GW1, but guess what? GW1 hasn’t had ANYTHING new in years because of THIS GAME. I’ve done literally everything in GW1 multiple times, just how I’m guessing many of the people who want some GW1 aspects in GW2 have also done everything a bunch.

That doesn’t mean I don’t completely love GW2, because I do. The base gameplay is perfect IMO, but what it lacks is new stuff. 2 years of doing the same stuff over and over again? Yep gets boring. I have some hope(see nearly zero) that the LS2 will give us new content to play, including more end game stuff like dungeons, Competitive missions, 8-12 man Elite missions like The Deep and Urgoz, and something that would literally make me throw money at my computer screen, UW and FoW.

I must be playing a different game than you have been playing. In the last 2 years, there has been plenty of new stuff in GW2 to satisfy me.

But then again, I only play an average of 10-15 hours a week(if that). Maybe you play a lot more than I do. I will admit that if I played 30-40 hours a week or more, I would get bored with the game, too…….but if I played that much, that would be the case with any game, not just GW2.

I have a similar schedule than you, but I have the feeling like Ive went through everything that is supposed to be challenging.

And with less than 1000hours played since the beginning, I am extremely bored with the current content of the game.

I’d rather have something new that is challenging and rewarding and that fits in the Gw2 lore.

UW, Fow and doa are just examples of how that content should be in term of difficulty and reward.

Its been almost a year that I have everything needed to craft my legendary. Its just sitting in my bank except for one thing.

I’m pretty sure you know what the one thing is.

And I will not craft any legendary ever not until they (Anet) gives player a way to obtain that item without playing RNG wars 2.

talking about you precursor

Legendary should come with legendary feats. It should not be related to legendary luck

And honestly, this game lacks of content for level 80.

haviz.1340:

Boneheart.3561:

Somethings that are difficult, non-farmable, and lucrative? You want money for skill, with little time invested.

Never said ‘non-farmable’, I’ve said ‘non mindless farming’. Besides, to get skill you have to invest some time.

And I am pretty that people would indeed invest more and more time toward perfecting their skills for harder content if there was an incentive to do so ie: Better rewards.

I have been saying for a while that Gw1 high level content is rewarding.

Hence you could conclude that something rewarding for me would be similar to the reward we could get in Gw1.

First of all, I could repeat that content as much as I wanted to get my rewards.

Secondly, the end chest reward was useful toward something (high end armor in terms of cosmetics)

And also you should note that the progression was almost strictly horizontal in gw1.

But in Gw2, is it vertical or horizontal? I don’t know. And is the content rewarding and useful toward something? Well not really.

Nick.6972:

Galen Grey.4709:

Nick.6972:

They didn’t force you to play Elite Missions, UW or FoW in GW1, there was no obligatory grind.
In fact, I could max out my character, get the best gear, weapons and all skills in less than five hours (and it was extremely cheap).
GW1 “Grind” was optional – only rare armor skins and weapon skins.

I don’t get why they didn’t copy paste the same formula in GW2.

Well sure you could get BiS and max level pretty quickly but then you’re not going to do much in UW or FoW with just BiS and Max level. You need the appropriate runes and right skills as well and that’s going to take far longer then 5hrs. (also the 5hrs is a cheat) It took longer then 5hrs to get to max level / max level gear in prophecies the expansions just provided short cuts to make it easier on alts it isnt fair to quote that number as the standard cause it isnt the standard.

also each of these locations has its own unique rewards. Such as Dhuum’s Soul Reaper you could get from UW or The Obsidian Armor in FoW. Fact is not everyone could go and do UW and FoW without putting in some commitment into the game. It wasnt as bad as other games dont get me wrong but you still had to be a level of hardcore to do it. Gw2 tries to avoid that, if all you want is to log in and do your thing even if your thing is just enjoying the sites no content / reward will be out of reach.

What?
Start Factions – get level 12 on the first island, run Kaineng, start EOTM quest, complete it, run to Brawling dungeon, pop XP scrolls and repeat the dungeon 2-3 times. And you have max level.
Runes were cheap. The only expensive rune was +50hp which wasn’t even good/needed in PvE. Weapons were cheap.

FoW armor wasn’t RNG based. And UW and FoW and other “Elite” Instances weren’t obligatory. They didn’t give you any advantage over the people who chose not to play these instances.

Ahhhhh thats a breath of fresh air!!! He gets it because he did play the game

You were not forced to play the elite content in Gw1, but it was still there for the people who wanted to enjoy it.

So let me rephrase my question: Where is the level 80 high level rewarding content

Dusty Moon.4382:

Arwen, all you have described is WHAT YOU don’t consider end game. You have not described what you want.

The issue is – Elite areas in GW1, were instanced and also they were based on the 6 Gods who are not involved with the game now. Those areas were Elitism ECNOUNTERS (with other players) and they were JUST RAIDS (nothing more – you said no raid so you can’t use these areas as your idea of end game play) – plain and simple. You didn’t have to know what you were doing in those areas. Just whack-a-mole is all they were – nothing special. That armor was a skin only – that is all they were. They were no different that other max armors in GW1. That is what Fractals are in this game. If those areas were SO SPECIAL NO ONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SOLO THEM AND THEY DID.

Since you have a revisionist memory about GW1, we really can’t have ANY MEANINGFUL discussion.

Raids were in WoW (So leave it to Wow)

Elite instances were in Gw1 (And I did talk a lot about these instances)

I am not asking the devs to bring a duplicate of the zones that were in Gw1. I was giving examples of what was considered High level end game and rewarding content

Now I shall repeat the question again. Where is the high level rewarding end game content

And who cares if the gods are not there anymore in Gw2. This is not an excuse for the devs to not be able to bring something that is hard and rewarding and that has no relation with the gods of tyria.

lol

I’m currently sitting at 900 seconds of waiting time before I can post new things on the forums because I have been suspended, made infractions so many time with all the post I’ve been writing.

The common thing between all these post is that I tend to point out things that usually make people talk a lot about what the game is lacking off.

That kind of infuriate some player hehe.

But whatever, this is Gw2 forum and we are only allowed to write about what they want to hear and nothing else.

Kitarpa.8143:

Nury.3062:

“Where is my high level end game rewarding content ive been waiting for so long?”
I don’t care,simple as that….go and search it…
I found my end game content.

This. I feel like GW2 is the type of game that just kinda doesn’t have a set standard of “here is all your exclusive end game content to do!” you get in other MMOs. You find and kinda “make” your own end game content, and if you can’t seem to find it, well GW2 just might not be for you.

Well if I could design my own high level content that is rewarding I would have done so for a while. But I can’t. I’m not a dev…

phys.7689:

Ouimette.5902:

The problem even with the so called end game that exist in GW2 right now is that when you are going for something you pretty much do it in the same way as everything else.

Legendary: Gold farm
Ascended Gear: Gold farm
Cultural armor: Gold farm
F****N MINI PETS:… gold farm.

Yeah sure there is other things to farm that’s not accesible through gold. Such as ascended trinkets, fractal skins and fractal backpiece and dungeon skins. But those skins have been in the game for quite some time now.

Yes, Guild Wars 2 doesn’t have gear treadmills but the game is more focused on the cosmetics so why not add more grindable cosmetics to the game? Instead we get everything fed through the gem store.

And these little other things we get are depressing rng drops from teq and wurm. And how is that armor looking? It’s already existing armor with some particle effects.

More grind for new cosmetics and more account bound and less gem store armor and soulbound equipment. You will never feel prestigious when everything can be bought from the TP.

This is one of the key flaws, combined with the fact that the best way to earn money is not the best way to play the game.
While gw2 does have some challenging content out there, it rewards less than the mindless easy content.

I dont think its a good idea to build the entire games reward systems around gold, if you arent going to give more gold for content that is either:
harder
longer
requires more set up
etc

That is true, and they should give an incentive for player to go toward the harder content.

Corian.4068:

OP, you’re still providing poor feedback.

Okay, let’s say you complete a thing. It took an hour, you had a party of five people, it has a reward chest, you open it, you get the typical rewards out of that chest (so no super rare/lucky drops etc).

What exactly does this chest contain? Note the word exactly. EXACTLY. I wanna know what’s in this chest that makes the content worthwhile to you. Exact items, exact numbers of items in this typical average reward chest.

The actual chest reward in dungeon is so poor because I can only do it once a day. If I could repeat it and still get the same chest at the end (Like it was at the beginning) it would personnaly be better for me.

Now people will say that all pugs will go and do the easier dungeon for easy money. Well if thats the case, then Anet devs should do their job and fix the rewards properly so that it reflects the difficulty of the content.

FYI: your question is real poor

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Azhure.1857:

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Also, Foundry wound up being where most runs I was on with friends . . . kinda got killed. (Room three.)

Ah yes. Good times. Good times, indeed. smiles

I didn’t mind it much either, when I was doing it. I just mind it being up on this pedestal as “the ultimate experience for awesome loot” and I wonder if I played the same game as the people claiming it. I never saw:

- Mini Mallyx
- Armbrace of Truth
- Globs of Ectoplasm
- Obsidian Shards

. . . unless I was purchasing them from people, or a total of 2 each Shards/Ecto over seven years before I plain gave up.

As for the gear . . .

- Eternal Sword/Shield
- Storm Bow

Only ever saw these as white drops. I kept them for purely cosmetic uses, because the stats were also garbage.

How many times did you do Uw, Fow and DoA?

I was able to get over 10 Armbraces and forge a complete obsidian armor with chaos glove.

I played over 4k hours in 7 years of Gw1

Azhure.1857:

I miss DoA, UW, and FoW. It would be nice to see them return in GW2, somehow.

Yeah, same for me. I wish the devs were able to bring in something similar that would be Gw2 like.

Not asking for that to be brought back. But to have something of the same quality would just be so awesome.

In a mmorpg you have different audiences.

For me, the typical pve player, I would like to see new dungeons (I am not talking raids) that would actually be more challenging and give you something to work toward.

Let’s take an example: In gw1 you had to elite zone that were challenging, they were called UW and FoW. In these two zones, you were penalized for failing. You had to know what you were doing in order to succeed. Now for the groups that were successful, they were rewarded at the end of the instance with guaranteed useful materials such as ectoplasm or obsidian fragment. These material were useful toward the crafting of an high end armor. And for the lucky one, they would get some nice skins.

Now you knew that by entering the zone you would be challenged, you would get reward AND you could have an extra chance at some rare skin. And by doing this area you could work toward some form of cosmetics (obsidian armor, chaos glove etc).

Let me say it once again : I am not talking raids

Now look at another extremely challenging area; Doa.

To be successful there you had to have good group coordination, individual skin and also the guts to stay there and practice for quite some time.

I didn’t learn in one day how to properly execute everything necessary to complete this instance. I had to practice. Like I said earlier you had guaranted rewards called gemstone by completing each part of the main quest in Doa. The gemstones were used to get Armbraces and then you could get rare weapon skins called the tormented weapon. And guess what, gems and armbraces where not soulbound (big lawl)

In these 3 areas cited above, you had to have practiced a lot, have a decent amount of skill and guess what you were rewarded for playing the content

Now let me state again that I am not asking for raids (I feel I have to repeat that one). I am not asking for lagfest called teq or wurm or blabla.

I am asking for high level endgame rewarding content (living story is not High level content), (teq is also not high level content). Fractal and arah is not high level content.

And the content is sadly not rewarding.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

A R W E N.6895:

I Will repeat my question again. where is my high level end game rewarding content

I will add that i am not talking about wow raid like stuff (never played wow fyi, only played gw1 since its begining)

I will also add that i am not talking about a gear grind.

Just to make thing clear and to make people understand that what i am looking for is something instanced to do with other player that is harder than fractal or arah. Something that you have to practice over and over again for awesome rewards. Ever heard of DOA in gw1? (Thats where your tormented skin come from fyi)

I did, boy was it a RNG slogfest to get Gemstones to trade up to Armbraces. Almost as much a slog as Obsidian Armor, which I still haven’t gotten.

It was fun when I did it with my guildies as an eight-person trip, so was Underworld and Fissure of Woe, and Slaver’s Exile. On the other hand . . . there are two fundamental things involved which make me hesitant to say they were excellent.

Firstly, most of the “Awesome Rewards” were behind RNG drops at the end chests, or from materials dropped RNG-like from enemies. I will note I did four trips through the Underworld and never saw Ectoplasm for me. (One time, it was all blue/purple canes. I am not kidding, or exaggerating.) Luckily for the rich, it was possible to buy any of the Awesome Rewards rather than do the content.

Secondly, due to the structure difference between the two games, the experience from UW, FoW, et cetera wouldn’t be perfectly replicated. To note, there’s no pressure to take down enemy healers fast, no need to specifically handle things like Smite Crawlers, and no “bring Frozen Soil else we’ll be here all day” anti-Res requirements.

Once more, the question you ask is only able to be responded with another question:

What do you find rewarding and worth being put through ‘end game content’?

Well maybe you were not playing the same game as me.

In hard mode, when completing a part of Doa you would have a chest that gives you garanteed gems (either titan for foundry, margonity for city of torcqua etc)

In fow and Uw, you are right there was some rng, but atleast the mobs were giving you loot that is actually usefull and worth something.

Hence even though I would not always get the skin I want, is still had a chance to loot it and the end chest you give you also usefull materials

Now look at now,

I open a chest in gw2 all i get is some green and a bit of silver. Is it usefull toward something? Nope.

Now back to the question

where is the high level rewarding end game content in Gw2

Note: Living story is not high level content

I Will repeat my question again. where is my high level end game rewarding content

I will add that i am not talking about wow raid like stuff (never played wow fyi, only played gw1 since its begining)

I will also add that i am not talking about a gear grind.

Just to make thing clear and to make people understand that what i am looking for is something instanced to do with other player that is harder than fractal or arah. Something that you have to practice over and over again for awesome rewards. Ever heard of DOA in gw1? (Thats where your tormented skin come from fyi)

Asgaeroth.6427:

Arah explorable, Fractal 40-50, Tequatl, Triple Trouble, Living Stories, TPvP, WvW, and economics/crafting/collecting is the intended end game content. If you can’t find anything in that list to get your hooks into or it all feels beneath you, you’re probably just burned out on the game and nothing will make you happy.

They probably could do more to extend end game. What are you really asking for, though? New 8 man raid style instances along the lines of Ulduar, ICC, or Firelands from WoW? More attention paid to WvW to make it feel more like the endless and meaningful wars of DAoC? A new tier of fractals with another set of instability mechanics to learn and a reason to be at 100 AR? Is this just a poorly worded request to make the loot in Arah and at world dragons match the time investment? Challenging and rewarding is so subjective. Let’s hear some solid specifics on what’s actually wrong and what needs to be added/changed.

Remove the daily aspect of dungeons.

let us be able to do the same dungeon over and over again if we want to
Now to make sure that this is not abused of make the reward scale with the difficulty

And yeah maybe adding some dungeons that could be completed with 8-12 players (Gw1 like) it could add a breath of fresh air. Honestly when you are 20 in a guild and you have to split up to do dungeons its kind of lame…

And I’m not asking for wow or any other games (I never played wow fyi).

I am asking that devs start working toward better content for every aspect of its game. And such content should be rewarding and also challenging. I would like to see if a casual player would be kittened to see new content in the game even if it is maybe to hard from him (her)

UW, Fow, DoA, Deep, Urgoz etc

Fractal is just to easy, and same for dungeons…

And lets not talk about how rewarding Fractal is. Atleast in Gw1 I could repeat all day long the same elite area and still get rewarded for it. But in Gw2, nope you are not allowed.

One major problem is that most of the valuables are locked behind a thick RNG wall.

The other big problem is that there is no viable way to farm anything in this game.

Hence people are starting to resort to other methods such as buy gems to convert to gold. And usually is it not a good sign when such thing start to occur in a game.

Every single mmorpg has some sort of farming that playing can do in order to obtain their desired objects (equipment or loot).

But its crazy how every other mmo, and even Gw1 had challenging and rewarding end game content. And yet, Gw2 fails miserably at pouring out such content.

Sartharina.3542:

There’s plenty of “Endgame” content:
1. Working for legendaries.
2. Making a name for yourself on your server through WvW and PvP (And now the game in general, with Megaservers)
3. Becoming a leader of PvE events or in WvW.
4. Keeping up with Living Story.
5. Making and running a guild.

The question was : where is High level end game rewarding content

So yeah, my daily thought…

Where is my high level end game rewarding content ive been waiting for so long?

Am I in the wrong game?

Maybe Anet dev’s are extremely scared to talk about precursors…

Who knows

Yay, new permanent content.

But but, now lets all hope that this new permanent content is high quality permanent content.

1. I log in to go and complain with my guildies about how the game lacks of depth.
2. I log in to go and watch people trying to miserably farm unfarmable thing since farming does not exist in this game.
3. I log in to actually log out 5-10 min later because boredom is OP

Aidan Savage.2078:

Earn more gold. That’s the only solution you have, or will be offered.

Sorry, farming is not allowed in gw2.

1. New high quality permanent content.
2. New high quality permanent content.
3. New high quality permanent content.
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5. New high quality permanent content.
6. New high quality permanent content.
7. New high quality permanent content.
8. New high quality permanent content.
9. New high quality permanent content.
10. Get rewarded for playing the game.

Seems like the only thing that changes regarding skills and traits is the tool-tip.

Balance one day?

Well I would actually enjoy watching such a thing to actually see how they handle their game.

Yeah, maybe.

But I would love to see some form of stream with people from anet on pve content. I hope they will one day.

I hope that soon the people that host the ready up will jump into pve and do a lvl 50 fractal.

Make it happen

Yup #hope since 2012 :P

and what proves you that the dev’s will actually do as they say?

Remember precursor crafting?

BobbyStein.2315:

A Massive Headache.1879:

BobbyStein.2315:

Mortifer.2946:

It seems like devs respond only to useless topics like this and doesn’t care about giving response to anything important. Never before I’ve seen such aproach to customers. Sad.

I reply to writing and VO threads when I can, including critical feedback posts, since that’s my area. Is there something story related that you’re concerned about, or is this comment more about other feedback (balance, gameplay, etc.) that isn’t being addressed? Remember that we read the forums often and reply when we’re able. A respectfully worded post gets a lot more attention than vague complaints.

I kind of feel like a dev word about the incredibly scarce chaos of lyssa recipe is extremely desired, with numerous threads being created about it. I know it was mentioned on stream that it’s droprate is fine, but seeing as it sold for 1k and 2.5k, that isn’t precedented and is disheartening.

This is the wrong thread to discuss that. My advice would be either to post in an existing thread on that topic, or if one doesn’t exist you can create a new one.

Problem is that he will not get any answers to his question. I guess that it is why he is asking the question since you are replying on the thread. And maybe he hopes that the dev that should be concerned about that topic will eventually answer the many questions that were already asked on the proper forum/topic.

Anyways..

May anet read this thread and learn

Amen

If Charr created guns, then why can’t I use guns with all charr regardless of its class ?

:)

kratan.4619:

A R W E N.6895:

Azrael.4960:

Real money -> Gems -> Gold conversion has been part of the game from day 1, didn’t you know?

But did you know that the focus on gemstore is actually increasing so much?

But did you know that their jobs depend on people spending in the gem store and not just providing free content?

And did you know that the content does not necessarily have to be free. It is called an expansion. People have been asking for it long ago.

Azrael.4960:

Real money -> Gems -> Gold conversion has been part of the game from day 1, didn’t you know?

But did you know that the focus on gemstore is actually increasing so much?

bugs war 2

/15 char

I play to get 1000 gold and then put it all in the mystic forge to see if im lucky or not.

Otherwise, I do speed clear records with my guild. And if you would be on our ts, we spend atleast a portion of our day complaining about the fact that the game is just way to easy.

No endgame.

15 charr

944 hours 631 days, 15+ precursor drop at the mystic forge (only greatswords)

I had a peak of precursor drop when I had less than 500 hours of play time.

there is one variable that is actually missing here.

You will not get your hand on it though.

Its simply that lots of negative post usually get deleted by mods.

But otherwise, nice job on this analysis

Where is new content?

This guy needs new legendary to craft.

Give him something

Lack of hardcore content
Fractal is not hardcore, it is quite easy with the right set up. No dungeon in this game is actually hardcore also. What makes it hard sometime is the quality of the player you are playing with, or random bugs that are yet to be fixed ig. We often say in my guild that lags are what creates difficulty in this game.

Lack of reward
You said it

Lack of area to explore
When I press on M to open my map, and see that there is so much more to explore, my first thought is: will this ever be available to player because I already did explore everything and repeating it gets boring quickly.

Lack of build diversification
I mainly press mesmer. I am useful for 3 things, portal, time warp and reflect. I have been using the same build for over a year since it is the only one that actually works properly in a PvE environment. What I mean by this lack of build diversification, is that there are some classes in this game that are simply useless or some classes bound to do only one thing because of the lack of options they have to help the group.

Lack of true feeling of accomplishment
You said it

People on these forums prefer to beat a post to death instead of giving their own ideas.

Op you have your own opinions, mine is the following.

This game lacks of hardcore and rewarding content. It also lacks of new explorable high level and low level area.

It simply lacks of new content that is permanent.

lack of hardcore content
lack of reward
lack of area to explore
lack of build diversification
lack of true feeling of accomplishment
lack of …..

Doa, Uw, Fow, Urgoz, The Deep.

HARDCORE DUNGEON

Fractal is just way to easy…. (and not rewarding)

Mark Katzbach.9084:

Maaaamaaaaaa! Just killed a warband! Put my hammer against their heads, took a swing and now they’re dead.

New permanent content soon ? Or is it fantasy?