Guild Wars 2

all praise the rng

See, this is what happen when things in Pve are not rewarding enough.

We invade EoTM to farm karma and exp and mats.

You should propose to anet to make us have something that gives similar loot exp karma and pve and you will see people leave EoTM

This game lacks of a true reward for an epic quest!

Whatever the quest is, right now all the rewards feels a bit to much attached through RNG instead of true hardship.

Everything that is actually considered by some to be ’’Epic’’ has a part of it related to the mystic forge.

And honestly, I despise this way to much.

I am not here to say that I never got something out of the mystic forge because I actually did get way to much out of it. But the feeling of getting lucky and feeling of accomplishment are honestly two big different thing.

Right now, I can only feel lucky in this game. But, I never felt that I accomplished something.

What this game really needs is something epic that you get through playing its content ‘’cough cough’’.

I think you understand what i mean.

A R W E N

can we all just agree we want permanent content

What is the ratio between Gemstore update and Game update?

I’m a bit curious

You have my attention

What happen if you put 4 eternity in the Mystic forge?

Answer: You obtain a level 79 pearl broadsword

I’m simply bringing up new discussions for everyone hihi.

well seems like 90% of the company works toward gem store stuff since thats all we see

Go on the facebook page, almost everything there is gem store related.

Meanwhile

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2/c/4223496

…..

Hey guys, look at this great drum.

4×80 = 79

Dat forge, better buy diapers and sit at the forge in the hope of looting

Gw1 Cantha Expansion

lordkrall.7241:

Kurrilino.2706:

PvE didn’t offer a lot contend related since release. There are no new areas to explore, no new storys to experience, no new skills… nothing. The game basically didn’t change since release.

This is actually blatant lying.
We have gotten new area(s), we have gotten new stories and new skills.
So basically nothing that you claimed is actually true.

Feel free to make that ’’huge list" of new content we had

I will start,

New Heal, and useless Antioxin heal, Fractals, Southsun cove.

If you want to kill the silence, create a thread and say you have trouble with the gem store because you can’t buy some. They will rush to you haha

Let me give an example.

FoW (gw1)

Different strategies: DervWay, MesWay, 100b etc.

Now, many classes were able to do the solo parts in Fow. (Assassins, Ranger, War, Mes)

And each of these strategies were in the Meta. (optimal)

I understand that diversity in builds and ways to complete dungeons will mainly arise if the said so dungeon become more complex (not necessarily more difficult).

But I still think that even though some routes can become more complex and may need different strategies, it will still be a dps festival. And that is because mobs are stupid.

Maybe, there is more to just the problem of boss AI.

I mean, if dungeons in PvE would become harder and more complex and mob would actually have some form of AI, then it would maybe yield more diversity in terms of how to complete the dungeons.

But now, if I can complete the now harder dungeon in full PVT and it takes me an hour vs if I choose zerk and it takes me 10 minutes to get the same reward. Then I would go for the most efficient way. And yet, we would be again at the stade of ‘’I need max dps to be as efficient as possible’‘, instead of ’’I need to use this tactic in order to be more efficient’’.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

But, I did not buy Gw2 for WvW, PvP. I bought it for PvE. And right now PvE is in such a state that some would think like you that Anet gave up on PvE.

Now what are the reasons? What I wrote above would be one of them I guess. But the solutions?

Expansion plz…

Discussions regarding the lack of build diversity have been going on around for quite a while.

Many comparisons have been made with Gw1 builds vs Gw2 builds.

Now what I would like to point out is that I don’t agree that there is a lack of diversity regarding possible builds on Gw2. Maybe there could be more skills to use and maybe more traits but the real issue is the lack of builds that can be Optimal.

What I mean by optimal is simple. Finish the dungeons as quick as possible.

As I recall in Gw1, many different strategies (build and team composition) were yielding almost the same result in term of efficiency. Hence players could actually chose which composition they would prefer and be as efficient as the other composition. (This also opens up something called theorycrafting and I know lot’s of people that played Gw1 that miss this aspect)

Now in Gw2, the real problem is that in term of being Optimal the only viable thing would be DPS (kill as quick as possible without being killed first). Now the gear that offer the highest DPS would be Berserkers and Assassins. Now the second criteria toward the best DPS would be : which class does offer the best DPS. And then you have things like zerk warrior only in LFG.

And for sure, some players do not like it. They would like to play their gear and be as efficient.

Now, how would it be possible to be optimal in dungeons without being restricted to Berserker/Assassins gear?

edit: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/looking-ahead-guild-wars-2-in-2013/

Your idea is really great.

But since it is a great idea it won’t come to the game. (sad face)

We already know what this game defines by greatness. #uglylegendary

Reanne.5462:

I would like to thank you all for your constructive responses to my question, I have determined from them that there are 2 types of people who play this game, Those who have nothing better to do ( no plans to better themselves as individuals) and those who are addicted to it and will defend it no matter how unfulfilling it is.

feel free to debate which one I am

You are neither. Maybe you are like me and you hope that the game will eventually get better and you stick to it.

Its funny because this kind of thread would usually die real quick since if the game was so good he would not even write here!

killing stuff is sadly not rewarding. I was not joking with the economics thing.

Do you like economics?

Are you a master of supply and demand

Do you know how to deal with volatility and do you know how to manage risk.

If yes than buy tp wars 2

I have been saying this for a while. But usually if we would hear more from anet on more sensitive subject and have a ’’True’’ Discussion about these topics then I am pretty sure everyone would be happy.

Basically there is no possible way for this game to improve if its players feel like the dev do not care about all the suggestions being made.

And for sure, some will be happy and some will not. But the silence has to end.

instead of making new traits, make new utility skills that work with certain traits already there.

Make new weapon with new skill for every class. Open up the build diversity plz.

New dungeons

Idea: Maybe use something along the Order of Whisper, Priory or Vigil to build a dungeon with its lore.

New Armor and Weapon

Idea: Fractal Armor. Unique lootable weapon from already existing dungeons (Rare skins). New legendary weapon.

New achievements that can be usefull In Game (Gw1 title track for instance)

Idea: For each achievement rank, you obtain a small bonus to damage against enemy from the specific dungeon.

Idea: An animation that can be displayed (/rank /zrank) for lets say, slaying 10k mob in a certain dungeon.

Opening up the map

Ring of fire, maguma jungle, elona.

Challenging content

Hard mode instances (taking as an example UW and Fow in Gw1)

Sorry for bad english

I have been running, 6/4/0/4/0 for max reflect, 6/6/0/2/0 for dps

daros.3407:

-The diminishing playerbase (Megaserver as a result of that)

Numbers, source or something that proves it please….

Just think outside the box. Why would you think that a Megaserver would be implemented if there was enough player in every server to start with.

Before the update, I saw numerous time thread like ‘’This map is emply" or ’’My server is empty’’

I find that the megaserver is just a way to hide the emptyness that was present in certain map before it was implemented.

No need for number. Just remember how your server was before the update and after the update.

I am not personnaly asking for something. I am pointing out things that either needs to be fixed (bugs), needs to be added (lack of permanent playable content).

Don’t compare this thread to a QQ thread.

There is a big difference between ‘’I am entitled to this and that’’ and ‘’There is a lack of this and that’’.

And maybe if you take a step back and look at the general discussion page. You can clearly see that the amount of what you define as QQ as drastically increased since the patch release.

timmyf.1490:

Where did people get the idea that the official forums were the place to come and complain, in great detail, about everything they dislike in the game? Why is that a belief that exists?

Maybe because it is the ’’Official" forum.

Blair.3796:

Like I said, constructive criticism is good. If you find flaws, make note of them, but please post at least a loosely-formed suggestion for fixing it. People say they don’t like something, Anet changes it, and then people complain even more. Maybe it would help if people made suggestions such as, “I’m not fond of feature <w> because of <x> and <y>, so what if you implemented <z> instead?” instead of, “I’m not fond of <x>. But I hate the new <y> more. And please God don’t do <z>.”

Now, if you ever went to the bug section, or ever read a single suggestion on these forums you would come to the conclusion that they (Anet) do not care.

Is it the player job to fix the game? The answer is no.

All the power we have is to point out things that do not work, or things that could added etc.

And honestly, if Anet did read all the suggestion or all the threads on this forum there would not be that much QQ about almost everything.

What is funny is that people pointed out issues that would occur if thing X would be added to the game. Guess what, they were right.

We had CDI for what reason exactly? To give suggestions. And do you see something coming out of it? I don’t

Maybe my way of saying things is not the way you think is right. But deal with it.

I will point out things I don’t like, and maybe other people will come here and do the same. And guess what, some people are doing it.

Yargesh.4965:

Lack of wanting to leave and find something fun seems to be high on your list.

Sorry I wont leave.

I will point out, area that I feel need work or improvement, or things that should be added.

And guess what I’m doing right now. Waiting in queue to get in WvW.

Try and make the difference between. The game has nothing, and the game needs something.

The lack of,

Real achievement that lead to reward (precursor quest? LOL)

Some people are just to blind to see all the bugs, or maybe they are not really playing the game enough to actually see that there is so many problems that need to be fixed.

I have an engi and a mesmer and these two classes are the most bugged of the game. And yet they seems to be bugged more and more after each patch.

Negative critiscism is something that every company (or individual) should consider way way more than positive feedback.

I was playing the game at the same time as I was writing the thread.

This is such a false statement to say that people that enjoy the game are to busy. The fact that I love this game pushes me to come here and write on things that I would like to see improved.

Don’t make false statement. Why would I waste time coming on the forum if it was not for a game I like.

Nonetheless, more permanent content would not hurt the game, it would just make it better. Look at the huge map we have, yet we can’t go to crystal desert, nor maguma, nor far shiverpeak etc. Living story, is a waste of time imo since what will be left of the living story except not that much?

tolunart.2095:

A R W E N.6895:

-The lack of added permanent playable content.
-The poor implementation of fixes resulting in more bug
-The amount of bugs that has been listed that are still not fixed
-The lack of feedback from Anet toward many discussed topic.
-The diminishing playerbase (Megaserver as a result of that)
…..

It is about time Anet acknowledges that something is going the wrong way.

Silence leads to nothing. And this game is going to nothing.

Weren’t you saying the same stuff, say, a year ago?

I’m getting tired of waiting for the end, it’s always nigh, but it never gets here.

Yep, long time ago I was saying the same thing, and now I’m still saying it. Guess I saw no improvement in a year…

Vorch.2985:

Doom, doom, doom, doom…

I’m not happy with alot in the patch (mainly town cloths), but this constant “Fix the game, it’s unplayable” thing is very overblown…

Going to sleep.

you should probably go in the bug section of this forum :P

Have a nice read, some of the bug in game are there since the start and yet, they are not fixed. Poor maintenance..

red.2387:

Pawstruck.9708:

So your reason for quitting GW2 is that they made a completely necessary change to Berserker gear?

See ya.

They announced they would be nerfing gear. That’s fine. They didn’t mention that they’d be nerfing crit damage from Trait points at the same time. Lots of builds got hit with double nerfs and the class changes do not account for this.

And then, new classes got added to the trash tier.

Rip mesmer…

If it was a dynamic game, then we would see more changes to it, more content added.

The game is just stale.

umbrellachimes.5382:

Thank you, thank you, thank you!! Everything you said YES. I was just complaining to my friend how all I’d ever be good for is feedback and MAYBE mass invis. It’s almost not worth it to bring a mesmer in anymore. Reflects can be done by guardians, and thieves are better at stealthing. Maybe time warp, yeah, but that’s about it.

I’m upset, because yesterday (for instance), I felt like I covered gaps that other classes couldn’t keep up with. I could fill in those gaps for feedback, still provide a valuable amount of damage, and make longer bosses a little shorter. I don’t feel like I do that anymore. I feel fairly useless as a mesmer, and it’s such a bummer because it was my favorite class.

I’m really hoping things get better, but I’m not too optimistic. I’m okay with nerfing something that needs to be nerfed, but at least provide something valuable in return to make up for it..

And redo the mesmer traits. Seriously, none of them are even worth setting except maybe the skill block thing for PVP. Like really. Has ANet ever actually played as a mesmer before?

Seems like none of them actually did play a mesmer in PvE.

So why are we not seeing improvement in the classes that are bad right now, instead of adding more classes to the bad list in PvE.

Spiuk.8421:

Teon.5168:

I am amazed that some people can already pronounce ferocity a fail just 6+ hours after a patch. Truly amazing……wish I had powerz like you all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics

You can learn them.

Lol teon, are you saying your bs stuff here also. You are getting ’’debunked’’.

Go learn some math!

a t s e.9614:

Oh no pve mesmer nerfed such a big loss lol. Seriously do you think someone cares.. Go play warrior or ele if you think your mesmer became worthless in PvE.

Well something is wrong if before an update more than 2 classes were viable, and now only 2 are viable after the update.

Downgrading much?

Simply following your logic.

well for me, the map are still empty. LOL

Teon.5168:

QQ.
Just in case none of you realized, the trait system was changed for EVERYONE. We all have to get used to the new system.

Oh, but yes, you got nerfed beyond belief because you can’t figure it out.

NEWSFLASH: eveyone has to figure out the new trait system, as has to deal with it, same as you.

And qq about the supposed nerf. I have a 80 mesmer and they were a bit overpowered, especially in WvW. This is a no win situation for ANY mmorpg game company out there. Nerf a class, and they whine…….bring all the other classes up to be more even with that slightly overpowered class, and you’ll still whine about why you didn’t get any love like everyone else did.

Seen it thousands of times in other mmorpgs.

Seriously, what is so hard about adapting and figuring out a way to make your character just as effective, even with the nerf and/or powering up to other classes?

You all are seriously naive to think that this game wouldn’t have it’s share of nerfs/powering up like all the other mmorpgs out there have since mmos began.

Yea, I know, I will be labeled an ANet fanboi just because I disagree with you.

Have at the flames, children.

Nothing hard to figure out in the fact that Mesmer’s are now trash tier.

I play in an environment where time does matter and effectiveness does matter also. I was usefull before, but now I will not be that usefull.

Give it a week or two and you will see even more hate toward specific classes build etc regarding PvE dungeons.

Since dps got nerfed for almost everyone, the stats that bring in the most dps will still be the most wanted one in order to complete dungeons. Pugs or not, I’m not sure you want to speed 1 hour doing a dungeon that you can complete under 10 minutes with a specific build.

Now, just take your time and go have fun reading all the GM traits that were added. When you are done, tell me one of theses traits that will actually be usefull (in PvE).

I will not tag you as an Anet Fanboy because we can all be fan boy sometime but how do you expect the quality of the game to improve when these degrading update are being implemented to the game.

What will it be next patch? more emptiness added to the game, more ways to spend money in the gemstore?

I like how 1-15 map are still empty. Megaserver?

TheTechnician.1078:

A R W E N.6895:

All I can really say right now is ‘’The amount of emptiness added to the game is over 9000’’

Turtle.4130:

It’s a terrible patch, I feel like this game just got ruined for me on so many levels I don’t even want to play it any more.

These.

For me, it was the Trait system “nerf”.
Took away my traits and I can’t possibly get any until I am Level 30. Then, only one every what, 6 levels? Way to turn the game into even more of a grind fest with less sense of progression! No wonder so many people have turned to Champion Farming Runz… Oh wait, you nerfed that too, with longer spawn times on them and less drops. Fantastic!

Are you TRYING to drive people away from the game, to conserve server space or something?

I would love to know what was the though process behind all these traits. Cause honestly, after all the CDI that were made, lots of ’’good’’ ideas regarding traits and skills were given and it seems like none of that was in that ‘’feature patch’’.

Which again almost proves that CDI is just there to make the people waste their time by writing to the dev in the hope that one of their idea will probably be added to the game.