Guild Wars 2

Thor Rising.7850:

…their mobility…

That’s a good one.

Shylock.4653:

Rome.7124:

THere are reasons why Mesmers, Necros and Rangers are not reprensented in top tier…

So Helseth and Nos are’nt top tier?

He meant it comparative to the other classes and you know it. There are far more players of the other professions than those listed.

Yasha.5963:

A couple of weeks ago people were saying that necro is one of the strongest classes, especially in pugs and how they could take on three players at once, turn games around etc.

Now suddenly it is weak and needs buff to be viable, ok……..

Probably because the changes to FitG and Lich Form, coupled with Nos’ performance in the tourney and the earlier “mobility” buff were the straw that broke the Necro’s back. The Necromancer forums have been full of discussion like this for a long time because ANet rarely pays our class any mind (check how many devs have visited the Necro forums and said something in the past year or how often our skills get changed at all). So it has more or less gotten to the point where the Necro subforums are bleeding out into other forums in an effort to actually get someone to pay attention to the problems with the class.

As for your 3v1 statement, anyone who’s competent can roll over a group of people who don’t know how to play their classes with any class, hence why anecdotal evidence is rarely helpful. Likewise, anyone who is halfway decent at the game knows exactly how to counterplay Necros to the point where they can’t do kitten.

ronpierce.2760:

Bhawb.7408:

zapv.8051:

They should make this the 3 point minor in DM. That’s about what it’s worth now.

What is the revenant trait that gives the exact same stacks of stability on effectively the same CD (about 10s to get endurance for a dodge, less w/ vigor)? It should be there.

The revenant one is actually still MUCH better and more practical.
http://dulfy.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/gw2-retribution-revenant-traits1.jpg

Master minor. GG every body.

Edit:
Hearth of Thorns March 16 Update:
- In light of further testing. We realized Revenant was panning out to simply be a polished Necromancer. Because of this we decided to remove the necromancer in HoT. All existing 80 Necromancers will become Revenants.
- Light Armor on Necromancers will be converted to relevant equivalents as heavy armor.
- All current Necromancer files will be burned in a Bon-dhuumfire.

I’d actually be ok with this because it would mean that they may actually redo the god kitten class. We have literally nothing that we do better than other classes except die.

Mobility?
– Locusts
– Spectral Walk

Stability?
– What’s a stability?

Blinks/Escapes?
– Hah (especially now that Wurm’s somewhat broken)

Damage?
– Warriors, Rangers, Thieves, and Eles are arguably better

Sustain?
– Warriors, Guardians, and Eles are definitely better. In fact, any class with access to an invuln is better.

Tanking?
– Nope, Warriors and Guardians definitely have us beat there.

Group Support?
– You’re joking right?

Necros feel like a mix of ideas haphazardly throw around until they resembled something vaguely functional and I sincerely feel that unless the specialization is the most amazing thing ever, that the profession will become largely abandoned.

ANet stated that they wanted Necros to be an attrition class. Unfortunately, you can’t very well be an attrition class if every other class in the game can pretty much roll over you without so much as a second glance or escape. Likewise, we have no reliable methods to keep people in our zone of control either, which further detracts from our ability to whittle others down. So we’re left standing there while the other classes run circles around us with their fancy condition removals, teleports, and stability.

The state of Necros at the moment is god kitten pathetic.

It’s pretty pathetic that we’re so far at wit’s end now that we’re considering downed state builds as potentially viable.

Yak Parades don’t happen anymore because the player who used to host them no longer plays. He may come back sometime in the near future though. :P

TC’s still going strong, we just don’t tryhard PPT like the other two servers do from time to time; it’s just business as usual. We also lack the OCX/SEA coverage to really compete with the other two T1 servers, JQ in particular. Non-NA timezones are also light on commanders willing to command the militia.

Also to the personal stating that TC was supposed to be the unofficial RP server: it still is. Being a T1 WvW server and being the unofficial RP server are not mutually exclusive. In fact, lots of RPers enjoy PvP.

PariahX.6970:

EmoDevo.3209:

Quick everyone transfer to TC before price go up from 1800 to 2400 gems.
They have highest chance to win Season 2 and server not even full, what a good deal!

Actually I think people from TC should be railing against this idea. The soul of their RP server is getting greatly diluted and while more fair-weather transfers do not guarantee a win, they most definitely will bring a more fractured community.

That’s more or less the mentality here. We’ll welcome people who will come to the server and actually fight, but please do not come to TC if you are just here for easy rewards. I guarantee you that you will not receive a warm welcome if that is your intention. Queues will be long enough as it is when Season 2 rolls around, we don’t need the extra people. There are plenty of servers that need more able bodies than we or any of the T1 servers do.

Obviously, I can’t force anyone to not transfer, but this is the current state of affairs.

BlueZone.4236:

Stating the median number alone doesn’t really give people much to work on, only confuses the less informed people even more (what’s worse is them restating this information to other people, but then uses the word “average”).
As an example, if 80% of players earned 2g, and 20% earned 100g, the median is still only 2g, but the average gold earned per person would be 21.6g.

In any case, if the solution is to provide a more, and bigger gold sinks, I’m scared of what it’d mean for me (though I’ve earned more than 2-3g, but nowhere near the 300g+ that some are claiming…).
From what I’ve been reading about their future plans, I’d say they’ll make gold a little less relevant and emphasize on new currencies and resources, and these would all be time gated, and maybe account bound (which would be a good thing for me so I don’t need to constantly play catch-up, but not for hardcore grinders who worked for endless hours).

Actually, the median is a better number to use when there are excessively high or low outliers, as those outliers will provide misleading averages. For example (using a small sample), one person may make 500g, whereas the other 10 make 3g, as suggested. The median would be 3g, but the average would be 48.18g. The average is misleading because it suggests that the average player made 48.18g, which is clearly not the case in this scenario, as one outlier skewed the average.

Robot Chocken.7012:

I was also on commanding in JQ BL while RATS was running in TCBL. Most of HzH NA was in RATS which made holding off RE+full queue at the end quite a job lol.

I did notice a few of you guys in there; RATS’ tags were bigger though, so your tags were harder to notice. Lol.

We weren’t really on the map until most of RE left for the night.

VOLKON.1290:

Asbrandr.6324:

Wilco.1458:

Asbrandr.6324:

Seigfried.5938:

Dog.1472:

Good try TC and FA, but you were no match for the might of RATS.

Ain’t that funny, a guy named dog in a guild named rats :P

Yes, it’s a shame that he didn’t link the parts of the stream where we wiped them at least twice in open field on TCBL. :P

It was fun though, they got us a few times, including that Hills three-way. And then there was the three-way in front of Bay; good times.

I could post every fight, but that would require a lot of effort. I just linked the unanimously chosen best fight of the map (voted by everyone in teamspeak and approved by the Pope).

If you want to go through the raw footage: here! http://www.twitch.tv/drwilco/b/435410544

Plus if you notice I’m level 24 or something .. many of us are upleveled or not geared and definitely not on our main. This was the third? time I played necro. And godkitten does Corrupt Boon/Epidemic wreck your command group.

Yeah, I noticed all the conditions and figured you guys were running something along those lines, since I also main Necro. Unfortunately, it never seems like we have enough condition cleanses in our groups, but this is partially due to the fact that TC’s big on militias and we don’t really require people to take certain things in order to stack the group. For example, there will be times when the commander calls out for veils and portals from Mesmers and we don’t get any; the same can be said for static fields from Eles.

I also noticed the up-levels and was surprised that the bags I was getting were of lower quality.

You guys just had so many early on in our fights that it was difficult for our group of 30 or so to fight you. Eventually, we got some reinforcements which made things go smoother though.

Were you there for that prolonged fight at North Camp? FA was there, TC was there and I think we survived for a good five waves of respawns from Citadel. That was insanely fun.

That might have been before I arrived or after I had taken a break to finish some homework. I was in the battles near the NW Tower, several Garrison pushes, in front of Bay, Hills, and several encounters near the Quarry.

Also, what happened to you guys after that Bay fight? We were expecting you guys to resist way more than you did. Of course, we also noticed that you were fighting FA while we were on inner and we capped it just as FA reached the inner wall.

Wilco.1458:

Asbrandr.6324:

Seigfried.5938:

Dog.1472:

Good try TC and FA, but you were no match for the might of RATS.

Ain’t that funny, a guy named dog in a guild named rats :P

Yes, it’s a shame that he didn’t link the parts of the stream where we wiped them at least twice in open field on TCBL. :P

It was fun though, they got us a few times, including that Hills three-way. And then there was the three-way in front of Bay; good times.

I could post every fight, but that would require a lot of effort. I just linked the unanimously chosen best fight of the map (voted by everyone in teamspeak and approved by the Pope).

If you want to go through the raw footage: here! http://www.twitch.tv/drwilco/b/435410544

Plus if you notice I’m level 24 or something .. many of us are upleveled or not geared and definitely not on our main. This was the third? time I played necro. And godkitten does Corrupt Boon/Epidemic wreck your command group.

Yeah, I noticed all the conditions and figured you guys were running something along those lines, since I also main Necro. Unfortunately, it never seems like we have enough condition cleanses in our groups, but this is partially due to the fact that TC’s big on militias and we don’t really require people to take certain things in order to stack the group. For example, there will be times when the commander calls out for veils and portals from Mesmers and we don’t get any; the same can be said for static fields from Eles.

I also noticed the up-levels and was surprised that the bags I was getting were of lower quality.

You guys just had so many early on in our fights that it was difficult for our group of 30 or so to fight you. Eventually, we got some reinforcements which made things go smoother though.

Wotah.2975:

Asbrandr.6324:

Seigfried.5938:

Dog.1472:

Good try TC and FA, but you were no match for the might of RATS.

Ain’t that funny, a guy named dog in a guild named rats :P

Yes, it’s a shame that he didn’t link the parts of the stream where we wiped them at least twice in open field on TCBL. :P

It was fun though, they got us a few times, including that Hills three-way. And then there was the three-way in front of Bay; good times.

Aaaah you’re so mean! RATS are only learning. Most haven’t reached true age of maturity yet, and you’re going around killing them and boasting about it. That just screams big meanie to me!

Like they aren’t boasting about wiping us. Lol.

But like I said, it was fun, we certainly had to learn how to counter the mega-zerg. Our commander was more or less shouting directions over Mumble non-stop for the entire fight and trying to type commands for the militia with us too, which usually were pretty kitten short due to the need for urgency.

Seigfried.5938:

Dog.1472:

Good try TC and FA, but you were no match for the might of RATS.

Ain’t that funny, a guy named dog in a guild named rats :P

Yes, it’s a shame that he didn’t link the parts of the stream where we wiped them at least twice in open field on TCBL. :P

It was fun though, they got us a few times, including that Hills three-way. And then there was the three-way in front of Bay; good times.

Woo! Finally get paired with JQ.

Let the games begin.

Chuo.4238:

Mirta.5029:

Arnath.2319:

Why dont they just give all level one players a full set of ascended gear the moment they log in? Why dont they just give everyone a free legendary? Why dont they just give out thousands of gold and gems for free and make everything super easy?

Everything is time gated in this game, buying it with Karma and Dungeon Tokens is STILL time gated! You still need to get the Karma and Dungeon Tokens in the first place!

Some people will not be happy unless everything is given to them for free… sigh.

And I’m not asking for it to be free. I’m asking for it to be as accessible as the exotic gear. It’s a gear tier in a casual game after all.

I’m not even asking for that. I’m asking for it to NOT EXIST.

Think outside the dang box. Gear grind is unimaginative and senseless. It makes about as much sense as finding ways at your job to work harder and get paid less. It’s about as stimulating and intellectually rewarding as curling up in a corner and drooling.

There are so many BETTER ways. I point to Guild Wars as a fantastic example. Jeez GW2 is such a disappointment after that. Brainless grind. Yay. Don’t even have interesting ways to recombine character, hero, and team builds to take the edge off.

I feel like I’ve gone from being an architect in Guild Wars, to a toddler playing with blocks in GW2.

Please elaborate on these aforementioned better ways, otherwise you aren’t adding anything to the conversation.

Dumah.9612:

LilMcGinley.3890:

Harsh? Asc trinkets are a 3-5% overall boost to your stats. Unless you are hell-bent on always having the best items, you don’t have to get these.

Exotics will still be viable as they always were.

Crafting needed something like this to be worth-while again. No one crafts for any reason other than to level now, it’s pointless otherwise. Now you can make money and help guildies by being a 500 crafter.

Non-Ascended Berserker Stats vs Ascended Bersker Stats (Trinkets):
Power: 461 vs 541 (17.4% increase)
Precision: 315 vs 341 (8.3% increase)
Crit Damage: 32 vs 39 (22% increase)

So, the increase in OVERALL stats of ascended vs non-ascended trinkets is far greater than 3-5% overall. As with the armor, I’m sure we’ll something similar, just as we do in rares vs exotics. Anyone who has a full set of ascended equipment will have a significant stat increase to someone with full elites. As with ascended trinkets, it sounds like we won’t be able to get 6 pieces of armor day one. I can understand why someone would be jealous of not having such a nice stat boost. I’m looking forward to getting a full set.

Is that figure for the exotics counting the slotted gem? It’s important to consider because Ascended items merge the gem into the stats. So to compare an Ascended berserker’s trinket to an exotic one it’s the [exotic trinket + matching gem] vs. Ascended Trinket.

Farzo.8410:

Exotics will still be as much as viable, while Ascended is a small step up to have something to do.

But true, that doesn’t stop idiots from gating non-ascended geared players from dungeons and whatnot.

People already gate professions if they are geared and traited ‘wrong’.

If everyone refused to group with those people, they’d take the hint. People continuing to group with them only rewards the behavior.

Mirta.5029:

Asbrandr.6324:

1) They stated that they do not intend to release another level of gear after Ascended
2) Ascended items will be easier to obtain via crafting methods, rather than just laurels/farming FotM

1. They did not state that there will be no level increase though
2. Where did you get that it will be easier to obtain? From what I’ve seen you can craft 1 piece a day and it will be very costly on top of it. Not to mention there’s no mention of being able to use laurels/ farming Fotm to get it.

1) “We’ve seen a lot of questions in regards to this after the release of ascended gear: What will the core reward system be for Guild Wars 2 in the future after ascended gear has all been released? We specifically said we don’t want to get caught up in the trap where every 3-6 months the game adds another tier of gear to the game; that invalidates all your hard work and the rewards you’ve earned.”

2) Even if they’re time locked, it’s still a guaranteed method of obtaining Ascended gear that won’t require you to -have- to complete dailies or monthlies. It’s another method of obtaining them; you get to choose what you want to do. Additionally, you could combine this with laurels to get pieces at twice the speed, in theory. Furthermore, I sincerely doubt that they’re going to put more than a month’s worth of time lock on crafting these items, as that would be about the cut-off where it would be faster to get laurels.

Edit: Noticed the first question was for “levels”. I can’t say I know that answer for sure, but it doesn’t seem that will be the case; otherwise, they’d have to change the existing Legendary items every time they add new levels.

The second I read that, I knew that someone was going to blow it out of proportions. They’ve already discussed that Ascended would become a full tier long before this was announced, back during their initial responses to all of the rage that ensued then. Likewise, we already knew that the Legendary tier was going to be expanded upon as well.

The important things to take from this are the following:
1) They stated that they do not intend to release another level of gear after Ascended
2) Ascended items will be easier to obtain via crafting methods, rather than just laurels/farming FotM
3) Legendary items will, from this point forward, share the same stat level as Ascended items, but have a convenience factor of being able to change their stats on the fly while out of combat.
4) Obtaining a Legendary weapon will be at least somewhat easier because precursors will be able to be crafted in some manner, rather than relying on farming for gold or chance.

FInN.7219:

Ok, yes I know this isn’t a Guild Wars 1 forum but I felt as though it wouldn’t get much attention anywhere else.

I was hoping to grab Guild Wars in this years Steam summer sale but was a bit disappointed to see it hasn’t been discounted when almost ever other game has been discounted and the ones that aren’t are new releases. However don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Guild Wars is a fantastic game and believe its still worth for the price it was released at but for a player like me that’s already emotionally invested in Guild Wars 2 the only reason I’d want to play is to learn about some of the lore, explore areas not available in Guild Wars 2 yet, revisit the ones that are there now and pick up some Hall Of Monument points along the way.

It would be nice of them to have a sale at some point, but the games have already been age discounted; they didn’t release at $20-30, they were $50-60 each on release, excluding EotN.

Pretty sure that is the OP’s character’s face; it’s just not wrapped around a model and is, therefore, flat, like all textures are before they are wrapped.

matjazmuhic.1649:

Tengu?! Who the kitten wants to play with large, adult, grown up chickens?

Samurai Chickens.

Gele.2048:

and discount of black KEYS so arena net do more more PROFIT the charr gona win !!!!

No one is forcing anyone to buy keys; if the sale didn’t draw out more people than those that usually buy keys or cause those who do normally buy keys to buy more, ANet would actually lose money.

Unfortunately, plenty of people are usually influenced to buy whenever they see sale in blinking lights.

Lord Trejgon.2809:

TriggerSad.2597:

Katran.9186:

TriggerSad.2597:

Now I wonder how Mr. Johanson would feel about a designer posting on the forums when he should be working… and posting in support of the enemy party no less! My o’my…

Well, they should answer at threads, aren’t they? People want some info-leaks and stuff

True, but he’s not giving the right info~!
He’s referring to the events that happened in Night Fall, but the Fractal itself will take place way before the story of the original Guild Wars. Back when Abbadon was a god, and not a wannabe Andross.

You are mistaking the things. Mouth of torment is place where Abaddon wast casted down to realm of torment before gw1. and somewhere there was gate of torment in nightfall.
so by using term “mouth of torment” he is making good reference.

You’ve mistaken it with Abaddons Gate which was Nightfall finall mission

and really every gw1 player that was interested in gw1 lore know what exacly happened at the fall of abaddon

I wouldn’t say that we know exactly what happened when Abaddon was imprisoned; however, we do know the outcome and some of the details.

Sir Vincent III.1286:

Sir Vincent III.1286:

@OP
Abaddon fell 3 times.
- from the seat of the gods
- from getting resurrected by the Lich
- from getting resurrected by Ossa

Then you have to replay the mission where you have to fight the Lich and Shiro at the same time in Nightfall.

Ok.

1) Colin already confirmed that the fall we’re talking about in this case is pre-GW1, so its either his initial fall from grace after giving out magic or his imprisonment at the Mouth of Torment.

2) Abaddon was never resurrected by anyone because he never actually died until he was slain in Nightfall; he was imprisoned.

Abaddon influenced Vizier Khilbron (the Lich) to use the forbidden scrolls to sink Orr as an act of vengeance against the other gods. The Lich was probably still under Abaddon’s influence and may have been trying to free him when he was attempting to open the Gate of Komali at Abaddon’s Mouth, which unleashed the titans onto Tyria for a brief amount of time.

Likewise, Varesh Ossa was influenced by her mentor, General Kahyet, into worshipping Abaddon and was also trying to release him from his prison, not resurrect him. Abaddon would have likely broken free eventually even if Varesh had failed because he was regaining his power and rebuilding his body, not unlike Dhuum.

Shiro was influenced by an agent of Abaddon (you can actually met the Margonite who did it in a side quest) to assassinate the Emperor and throw Cantha into disarray.

Edit: Fixed incorrect quoting.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

panzer.6034:

I have a feeling that people that have played GW1 and know about abaddon are a minority. I wouldn’t be surprised if the rest of the populace votes Kiel, simply because of how Evon has been portrayed in game so far.

Minority? You may want to recheck your poll numbers, or the unnamed sources of your information.

So YOU have direct numbers on what the percentage of the current playerbase played GW1? I’ve never seen them, but unless they played Nighfall, they have no idea who Abadon is (beyond a possible reference here and there)..

Even if they haven’t played GW1, there’s a mission where you head into Abaddon’s Temple in GW2 that everyone has to do to finish the game; it’s the level 72 story quest.

The way I see it, this could refer to any one of Abaddon’s three falls. Either his initial fall from grace and dispute with the gods, the final battle with the gods at the Mouth of Torment, or his defeat at the hands of the GW1 heroes in the Realm of Torment.

Any of those situations sound way more interesting than the failing of a reactor that is essentially the beta version of CoE. I’ll maintain that both could be interesting; however, I’m a bit of a sucker for throwbacks and anything regarding Abaddon so….

#TeamGnashblade

I actually really enjoy the jumping puzzles, the new zone, and Sanctum Sprint, in particular. It’s a different kind of gameplay, sure, but I find it refreshing when the rest of the game is standard MMO-fare (which isn’t necessarily bad, but it is tiring on occasion). Sure, there’s issues with the camera, latency (for some), and the inevitable accidental double-tap dodge that gets you killed (if you’re like me and forget to turn the option off), but the content’s still fun. More casual, sure, but still fun.

TL;DR: Nothing wrong with having content expansions that don’t have anything to do with combat every once and a while.

My opinion on this issue (From the Jade Weapon thread):

How about instead of exclusively using RNG boxes dropped by an RNG loot system (2x the RNG), they also add the weapon skins themselves to the loot tables as a rare drop across all of Tyria for the duration of the event and have the ones that drop in that particular manner able to be traded on the TP?

This way ANet can still make money on the RNG boxes for those who enjoy them and normal players can still farm their way to the gold required to purchase the skin.

Normally, I’d agree with what some of the people saying to just put the skins on the gem store, but they’d probably need to price them each at $20+ to make the same amount of money they are on the chests, a decision, which, I’m sure, would only lead to more discussions of this manner.

How about instead of exclusively using RNG boxes dropped by an RNG loot system (2x the RNG), they also add the weapon skins themselves to the loot tables as a rare drop across all of Tyria for the duration of the event and have the ones that drop in that particular manner able to be traded on the TP?

This way ANet can still make money on the RNG boxes for those who enjoy them and normal players can still farm their way to the gold required to purchase the skin.

Normally, I’d agree with what some of the people saying to just put the skins on the gem store, but they’d probably need to price them each at $20+ to make the same amount of money they are on the chests, a decision, which, I’m sure, would only lead to more discussions of this manner.

Escthiil.3210:

timidobserver.7925:

kylia.4813:

Shiren.9532:

I don’t see any FA towers on TC bl. I don’t see any TC towers on FA bl. I see plenty of both on SoS bl. It’s fun having a tier 4 (should have gone to tier 3) server in tier 2 isn’t it? Let’s not pretend anyone on either side is looking for a good fight.

If SoS stood a chance of rallying this weekend, the approach both FA and TC have taken to SoS bl is preventing it from happening.

Let’s talk meta for a second, both TC and FA are servers who will focus on their home BL first, in fact on FA (I can’t speak for Tc) we have guilds who will not go anywhere else until our BL is ours. Welcome to tier two, where guilds will drop everything to resecure their BL. (Unfair, or smart play?
)

Ummm, don’t put TC in the some group of stupid that FA is in. TC protects their home yes, but they don’t do it to the point that it becomes a detriment like FA does. You could literally send a group of 20 people over to FA’s home BL, and just have that group to charge at the 60-80 man zerg that shows up to stop them while you take everything else they have on any other map.

Real classy there. Real classy.

Can’t you see his/her monocle and top hat? He/She is the pinnacle of classiness.

lani.7431:

Maladon.5760:

Gab Superstar.4059:

I just think SBI needs to push a bit more. There are definitely times when you guys outnumber DB.

Hearing talk about numbers makes me shake my head.

It’s not anyone’s numbers in particular it’s all our numbers combined. In this matchup DB and Mag have lots of people, SBI can field decent numbers in NA primetime. The game doesn’t work when this many people get in one place to fight. We were in SM last night and after about 10 mins we just left because nothing was working.

We also got skill lagged a few times in open field fighting, it’s just silly with this many people playing.

If you think that’s lag you should see when three servers who have fully qued map duking it out in one spot.

It’s glorious. The wanton slaughter, the troop movements, and the 3-5 second skill delay. Glorious.

Also, hi T3.

Yikes, I think I got singed just from walking into that T3 thread; I don’t think SBI/Mag are used to dealing with Arrow Carts being everywhere.

Shrouded.6450:

See I was expecting a t1 server really. How did they come up with this?

The funny part is that T1 got the same match-up again. :P

It’s time for glorious combat to commence; hold onto your hats.

Calico.9780:

Third Reset is already in progress. Third time is a charm…. hopefully.

Suddenly: NA vs EU reset.

Alex.6483:

Asbrandr.6324:

You can still learn from being steamrolled; you’ll just have to change tactics in order to compensate for your weaknesses. Although, I suppose the coverage gaps would be something a bit difficult to compensate for.

Just try your best and don’t give up; you’ll be respected for that.

appreciate your positivity and of course, we will do our best. But most of us on any server no matter which tier you plays has had their fair share of stomping. Outmanned due to players giving up which will most likely happend after 2ish days and or being stomped will therefore not teach us anything.

ah well, hammer high, high five, back to battle ^^ gl whatever tier you are fighting!

You just have to get a concentrated effort for your server’s community to persevere. Just play to have fun, not necessarily to win, and you’ll be better off for it. Although winning is fun, I just like to think of it as a bonus, lol.

Calico.9780:

Asbrandr.6324:

Calico.9780:

Well, thx for the second try…. maybe the third time it’ll work.

Right now, Elona is fighting Vizunah and Jade Sea…. again. Only change was that we changed color (from blue to red). Obviously another reset is in order cause we do not have the matchup that is predicted (that would be Vizunah vs Seafarers Rest vs Elona Reach).

Come on Anet, you can do it!

Not quite sure how you could, with 100% certainty, determine the predicted match chosen by a semi-random algorithm that was just introduced, but ok.

Ah, let me help you:

Posted by Devon Carter:

Here’s the raw data version of the new matchup as well as an image of the matchups.

Matchup Green Blue Red
1 Vizunah Square Seafarer’s Rest Elona Reach
2 Baruch Bay Kodash Jade Sea
3 Riverside Abaddon’s Mouth Desolation
4 Piken Square Augury Rock Fort Ranik
5 Underworld Far Shiverpeaks Gandara
6 Gunnar’s Hold Drakkar Lake Miller’s Sound
7 Ruins of Surmia Aurora Glade Blacktide
8 Arborstone Dzagonur Ring of Fire
9 Whiteside Ridge Fissure of Woe Vabbi

Must have missed that; my apologies.

Alex.6483:

Tenebrous.2451:

Alex.6483:

Not happy at all with this new match up
GH T7 vs Piken T3 vs Riverside T4

wont be learning much this match up anet, getting stomped teaches me to hate this change to wvwvw

meh

Wemil.7052:

arborstone gonna get crushed good job Anet

Its matchups like that one that are going to crush what little WvW exists on lower ranked servers. People will either move or quit.

Indeed, the variation / deveation is just too wide. Anet might as well remove the fee for transferring to higher tier server since it does apparently not matter anymore in which tier you play. Hope they reduce the variation within a maximum of 1 tier.

Fee’s not there for WvW; it’s there for the overall population. Therefore, encouraging transfers to servers with less players overall.

Calico.9780:

Well, thx for the second try…. maybe the third time it’ll work.

Right now, Elona is fighting Vizunah and Jade Sea…. again. Only change was that we changed color (from blue to red). Obviously another reset is in order cause we do not have the matchup that is predicted (that would be Vizunah vs Seafarers Rest vs Elona Reach).

Come on Anet, you can do it!

Not quite sure how you could, with 100% certainty, determine the predicted match chosen by a semi-random algorithm that was just introduced, but ok.

You can still learn from being steamrolled; you’ll just have to change tactics in order to compensate for your weaknesses. Although, I suppose the coverage gaps would be something a bit difficult to compensate for.

Just try your best and don’t give up; you’ll be respected for that.

Hengis.5417:

Gunnars Hold (20) vs Riverside (10) vs Piken Square (8)

Yep.. that works NOT!

This has to be wrong – or it looks like GH will all be doing PvE this week.

Well, with that attitude… :P

Sometimes throwing yourselves up against an opponent far more skilled (or more in number) than you is the only way to improve. No reason to give up; try your best and learn for next time. Giving up solves nothing.

Avatar of Belle.9623:

Poringosa.1804:

Suddenly English/German/Polish Map chat mixed <3
So epic… ANet, this is the best feature: All servers vs alls ervers vs all servers. We even fight against our own server members <3

I want this to happen for NA! That would be so much fun!

FFA WvW. Madness.

The Goat.1940:

Asbrandr.6324:

Many servers, due to how stacked the top few are now, would not have the numbers to field a 5th map, and, indeed, some cannot even fill the 4 that are available now. Most of the improvements that I can see coming to WvW will be of the mechanics variety, rather than content due to the very nature of the game type. I could see edits happening to add more objectives to existing maps; however, at this point, I think entirely new maps are out of the question until populations stabilize and disperse across all of the available servers.

Currently the borderlands are a copies of 1 map, they could design additional maps and put them in some sort of rotation. 3 diff bl maps with additional maps in the rotation. that would mix things up quite a bit.

Didn’t even cross my mind. That would certainly introduce some much needed variety. Perhaps a random rotation of 2-3 maps per slot, so maybe 2-3 maps for each borderlands and 2-3 for EB? It would also introduce more on-the-fly strategy too with a random selection, as the map types wouldn’t be inherently predictable.

Good idea; should make a separate thread for it.

olleN.2356:

DevonCarver.5370:

The new matchup code didn’t make it all the way to where it needed. We have addressed that and restarted WvW. The new matchup will be there on restart. Sorry again for the inconvenience.

What does that mean? We need to wait next Friday reset?

The probably just restarted the WvW servers, since the statement was past-tense; should still be today.

Murderous Clown.9723:

Asbrandr.6324:

Johje Holan.4607:

Asbrandr.6324:

I’d imagine it’ll take some time with the new system for the scores to adjust enough for more varied pairings to occur. Give it another week or two, then we’ll see where we’re at.

I could definitley see some of the matchups being the same but not all. I’m no statistics guru but that seems extremely unlikely.

They weren’t all the same, just mostly. If you look at the numbers on MOS, you can see that the ratings changes were more drastic than usual, some of the servers lost 30+ points and others gained 30+. With the old system you were likely to only receive 20-30, tops, in either direction, with the average being close to +/- 20-25 (excluding outliers and eyeballing it).

The new matchups are exactly what they would have been under the old system, which involves a few changes from last week.

Was looking at NA data when I stated that; whoops. Seems like it’s fixed now though.

Nice to see the fixes rolling out quickly.

Johje Holan.4607:

Asbrandr.6324:

I’d imagine it’ll take some time with the new system for the scores to adjust enough for more varied pairings to occur. Give it another week or two, then we’ll see where we’re at.

I could definitley see some of the matchups being the same but not all. I’m no statistics guru but that seems extremely unlikely.

They weren’t all the same, just mostly. If you look at the numbers on MOS, you can see that the ratings changes were more drastic than usual, some of the servers lost 30+ points and others gained 30+. With the old system you were likely to only receive 20-30, tops, in either direction, with the average being close to +/- 20-25 (excluding outliers and eyeballing it).

I’d imagine it’ll take some time with the new system for the scores to adjust enough for more varied pairings to occur. Give it another week or two, then we’ll see where we’re at.

We probably won’t see too much fluctuation for the first couple weeks in the higher tiers, at least. I imagine the absurdly high scores will need time to get to the point where they’ll adjust down enough to be matched elsewhere.

Rawnoodles.1398:

I agree,

I’ve been actively involved with WvW since day one and leading one of the biggest Hardcore WvW guilds in NA and i’ve seen people leave the game drastically after the said febuary patch that was pushed back.

As much content we try to bring out to the field, being GvGs, trainings, etc. Guilds will experience attrition and its been occurring at such a substantial rate. As much as PvE is good and all for short term rewards and gear, it doesn’t contain the competitive playerbase.

I remember back in Gw1 were GvGs, HA, RA, TA were the hype of the game. When spectator mode actually worked. That is what guild wars was known as. It’s sad to see such a brilliant game with its mechanics take such a dive.

Some of the top guilds I know personally are starting to draw away from the game due to lack of content for guilds in the PvP aspect. Unfortunately if things don’t kick up in pace, I wont be surprised if people float to other platforms as a few substantial guilds have already done so.

The crew is working very hard and we can see that, but it shouldn’t have taken 6-7 months for even a progression system.

Every major WvW update has either been bugged, delayed, or blacklisted. Yet we see new maps, dungeons, skins, every month and the ascended/badge system is a joke.

3 months to get a full set excluding a back piece and the rate for transfers? 62g a pop is ridiculous. Great to see Anet capping all the servers to very high/full to pump out a bit of profit at the expense of those trying to forge better communities.

Perhaps their priorities are elsewhere, although now that both PvE and sPvP have had their time to shine, WvW may get more focus. WvW may, honestly, prove to be more difficult to design content for, as you can’t just add a new map all the time. Many servers, due to how stacked the top few are now, would not have the numbers to field a 5th map, and, indeed, some cannot even fill the 4 that are available now. Most of the improvements that I can see coming to WvW will be of the mechanics variety, rather than content due to the very nature of the game type. I could see edits happening to add more objectives to existing maps; however, at this point, I think entirely new maps are out of the question until populations stabilize and disperse across all of the available servers.

As for the transfers, perhaps the servers really are full to capacity at most times of the day. The costs are tiered in order to prevent or dissuade large groups from moving to servers with communities that are already substantial in order to prevent stacking; although it’s debatable as to whether or not this has worked in the grand scheme of things (the rise and fall of several T1 servers, for example).

DB is, indeed, full. Just like TC is. Perhaps it would be better to mobilize DB’s PvE playerbase to try WvW every once and a while rather than recruiting more from elsewhere; it would certainly be cheaper and the resources are already there, you just have to motivate them to participate. Although this does sort of delve into the territory of the economic properties surrounding outsourcing vs. in-house training, etc.

Also props to Devon and those others involved for ironing out whatever was wrong with the system so quickly; looks like we’ll get our changes after all.