Guild Wars 2

“This is a guy who spent the entire match playing off point and trying to kill players where it makes absolutely no difference whatsoever.”

am I the only one that thinks a PvP mode should involve killing players and should matter more than standing on a point?

Arkanfel.8403:

Stat nerf is unnecessary and a cave to whiners, but the stomp change is a welcome one.

Only bad players wanted the stats to remain.
those that want to get better at this game do not want to have an unfair advantage over our opponents.

they should have removed the stat bonus all together.

Torment with my condi dmg (2016) hits for 107-214 per stack.
So 10s of 5 stacks would do 5350 to a non moving target. Please can u let us know how much hp u have?

Bleeds are not what made people complain about necro’s. it was Dumbfire!
they should remove or change burning to torment or another way to apply poison.

Wow….. sooo out of touch with the WvW community.
well might as well enjoy wvw while its still good.

Guilds dont want rally bait to follow them.

they should have just removed dumbfire and reverted the nerfs we got since that mistake

CMstorm.8679:

Need I say more about this?

No, Necromancer Hammer

that is straight up glass.
using all utilities for his burst, no condi removal, no healing in stealth, no Blinds, no stun breakers, no stability
he will most likely die if someone tickled him for 2 seconds.

if you want a glass cannon condi build no one will play them because they will not be alive long enough to see the conditions do any meaningful damage.

Now lets compare this healing with a warrior healing sig
Base hp regen is 392
30s of healing sig = 11760 hp. More healing than a thief
60s of healing = 23520 hp

if you need to complain about a class that can heal a lot its a warrior.

Power rules high level play
conditions make bad players look and feel bad.

OP means "i cant beat him/her with my build, Nerf them so I can beat them with my current build"

Farzo.8410:

Why is confusion allowed to damage around 800 per tick but retaliation only allowed to damage around 200?

because retal does not stack in intensity but in duration.

GvG will be the Esport of this game. Not Spvp.
Anet needs to learn from their mistake and make the needed changes to this can thrive.

clint.5681:

Rennoko.5731:

Josh Davis.6015:

The 6/6 bonus on Runes of Perplexity now have a 8 second cooldown. This was excluded from the patch notes, but we’re in the process of getting them added.

Thought you guys would like to know.

Any word on why fear never causes an interrupt effect?

Not that I would use these runes if I could…. certainly not!

Fear is an condition and not a CC effect like daze/stun/knockback

in that case it should not be affected by stun breaks and stability since int not a CC effect skill?

Falcon.8713:

Brando.1374:

Falcon.8713:

Brando.1374:

this trait will proc as long as you have a decent crit chance.

there is no counter play to this, no amount of dodging skills or condi cleanse can keep up every 10 seconds on top of what we already can dish out.

We do not need Burning to help out damage. I have very little trouble with 1v1 and sometimes 1v2-3 all without dumbfire. in group fights you cant pick and choose who gets burning so its a waste 30 trait points. if you want burning you have a 15s skill called epidemic where you can spread 10+ seconds of burning +all conditions to 5 other targets.

I don’t get what you mean.. First you’re saying you don’t use burning and afterwards you’re talking about spreading it with epidemic ? Or do you mean in group play ? It’s not like other classes will go easy on you with their conditions , so why are we ‘unfair’ ? Ever seen that big aoe fire field of warrior longbow burst ? That’s what I call a real painfull problem.. Not some random 4s burning.. Even if didn’t have burning, we could still stack lots and lots of bleeding with scepter 1.. So you want that they change that to ?

“a waste 30 trait points”

If you do not trait 30 points in spite.. Then how will you spread 10s+ burning with epidemic ? Or do you mean in group play ? But why would others be alowed to give burning but not the Necromancer ?

A good Necro does not NEED to APPLY burning to be effective. We spread it from other classes. A good Necro will NOT WASTE 30 trait points for a trait that supports mindless skill spamming in order for it to proc. ONLY BAD Necros rely on this trait to be good. Only Bad necros will see no other way to deal damage and sustain themselves without this trait.

I just dont understand why any decent necro or any necro that played before this patch came out supports this trait.
I see you have 1600 played on your necro (your sig) do you mind if I ask what you ran before this trait came?

we just want to know when it will be removed.

counter to stealth – anticipate where he is going to strike hint he will most likely try to BS

if we run away GJ to you we don’t want a long fight when we are solo roaming.

style.6173:

AOE conditions need a nerf. Single target conditions could use a buff.

The same applies to direct damage.

from a necro pov
No. personal aoe removal needs a buff and aoe removal needs a nerf.

1. Thieves’ Shadow refuge is now a elite skill with 150 seconds cooldown.
in that case make thieves guild a utility with a 60s cd. fair trade.

2. Warrior’s healing signet nerfed to absolute oblivion.
im ok with this.

3. Necro’s dhuumfire deleted.
Yes!!!!! for the love of god do this!
I cant wait for all the bad necro’s to cry. (must revert all nerfs due to this trait)

Malediktus.9250:

AOE would be overpowered without such a limit. Its good as it is.

only if you all clump up in the zerg will AOE be overpowered.

Bleeding: can only go up to a stack of 5 - might stacks can only stack to 5
Blind: remove completely - remove ageis
Burning: just fine
Chilled: remove completely - remove swiftness
Confusion: gets removed once the damage has been done - same can be said about retal
Crippled: remove completely - remove swiftness
Fear: once used the enemy gets a boon which means that fear cannot be placed on them for 10 seconds - remove stability
Immobilize: remove completely - remove vigor
Poison: remove the reducing heal potency by 33% part - remove regen
Torment: reduce the damage by 50% - fine
Vulnerability: just fine
Weakness: remove completely - remove fury.

if you want to remove conditions you need to also remove boons.

Incinerator

Special Changes for Necromancers:

Necrotic Bite loses the Bite animation.
Life Blast throws Incinerator instead of the regular model
Deathly Swarm throws Incinerator instead of an insect swarm that bounces between foes

http://www.twitch.tv/magictoker

he streams almost every day.

http://gw2buildcraft.com/calculator/necromancer/?5.5|b.5q.h1k.8.5q.h1n.0.0.0|6.5q.h1k.0.0.0|1q.718.1q.718.1q.718.1q.718.1q.718.1q.718|2x.d1e.3x.0.2x.0.3x.0.2x.0.2w.d12|0.u349.k57.k36.0|30.d|3r.3w.40.3x.4f|e

*Burst bleed* stacking can be done about every 16 seconds. the rotation goes as follows:
be running to the target while casting to make things easier for you.
staff 3 (chill/psn)
staff 2 (3 stack of bleeds)
Dodge to target and proc Mark of evasion (2 bleeds)
swap weapons to proc sigil of geomancy (3 bleeds)
go into DS right after wep swap to trigger weakening shroud (2 bleeds/weakness)
DS 2 (3 bleeds/chill)
DS 3 (fear)
get out of DS
Scepter 2 (3 bleeds/cripple)
scepter 5 (2 bleeds/weakness)
auto attack to finish or wait for 16s cd on staff 3 to repeat.

total of 18 bleed stacks all within 8 seconds if done right.
NO DUMBFIRE NEEDED :cool:

Ill make a vid of this some time this week. Looks like a lot of work but its actually very very very easy to pull off.

Lord Kuru.3685:

This is hilarious. Anet absolutely hates WvW. Just refer to the dev griefing the GvG incident.

The map and the bloodlust ruins are/were both additions that were not requested by WvW players. If you look at their layouts, they don’t feel like WvW at all. More like sPvP areas. The suspicion is that Anet wants to introduce WvW players to sPvP by creating more sPvP-like regions in WvW.

That dev incident may be the only reason why WvW is getting any love at all.

gennyt.3428:

Brando.1374:

-% duration food/runes and you wont have many issues.
congratz you countered the “meta”

I’m aware of those and feeling the need to run those takes a bite out of build diversity, which is what I hinted at in the original post.

so you want to nerf condition builds to further narrow down the total available builds each class can run?

I remember when we did this to BP.

this nerf is really disappointing to me.
but anything to keep guardians the top tank class i guess. guardian wars 2

right now there will be zergs everywhere because people feel like they need max wvw lv ASAP. once that dies down zergs will go back to Pve as they will get bored of Pvd and the ppl left where the ones you fought before.

PPT only shows coverage Nothing to brag about.
the amount of bags just shows how much better at fighting we are compared to the enemy.

Im always able to kill other Thief’s while they are in stealth.
I only have a few aoe and no real CC so Im not sure why you are having this issue.

Malediktus.9250:

Speak for yourself. I know many people who like the stat buff.

… who wants a stat buff to the already over populated server in a match?

glaphen.5230:

Brando.1374:

glaphen.5230:

Brando.1374:

glaphen.5230:

Brando.1374:

glaphen.5230:

Brando.1374:

I made some necro comparisons
http://www.twitch.tv/xxkakarot/c/3859738 spvp rabid condi needed I think 7+ skills

http://www.twitch.tv/xxkakarot/c/3848362 spvp valk power needed 3 utilities and just AA

reasoning behind using valk is due to the similar stats to rabid

As I said in my PMs to him since those were the only ones I could find, good luck finding a guy to stand in your wells as you auto attack. Also a Terrormancer build should be fear chaining for a guaranteed kill on anyone, you cannot counter a good Spectral Wall Terrormancer.

it took the condi build 7+ key strokes in order to come close to the dps of a well timed power rotation. My point of those vids was to show that power is in face stronger damage. if we had 5 necro do this we would destroy a whole team on a point. or make them get out of the way.

Also conditions are capped in all game modes. once you reach 25 stacks of bleeds thats it.
while with power you can get hit back to back with 10k+ attacks with no damage cap.

Well timed is a good laugh at E,M5,M4,F1,F1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1.
But power attacks tend to have clear animations, melee range application, cooldowns. Why would I use zerker Axe Warrior to Eviscerate for an easily dodged 10k when I can throw an Impale instantly for 10k damage if they remove immobilize, switch to longbow and Pin Down them into a Combustive Shot while dancing. What they used all their condition removal? Do it again before its off cooldown. Also did I mention my sweet 30k hp with 3k armor?

your talking about a different class
warriors have their own issues lol but a good warr will stun they target before wasting a eviscerate.

It’s the same with Necromancer too. Lich Forms 3k zerker on bunker auto attacks is an automatic team fight win generally but they aren’t that good for the next 150 seconds if focused at all. Necromancer can easily chain fear for 10+ seconds through Spectral Wall abuse for 11k damage with Terror alone. That downed target is now being ressed as you spread the conditions on all the revivers for another team fight win on a 45 second cooldown at most, even if the guy is ressed, unless a Guardian spins on a light field or uses “Save Yourselves!”. Roaming in WvW wise too Terror is far stronger since you can take traits like Reaper’s Protection since you don’t need the 50% fear duration for 100% condition duration in WvW.

stability?
stun breaks?
aoe condi removal from team mates?
dodge?

Corrupt Boon, Spinal Shivers, Chill of Death

But then where are your condition removals if you take the more than 2 stun breaks needed?

As I mentioned Guardian spinning on a light field or “Save Yourselves!” which I rarely see now.

What animation?

corrupt boon will miss 50% of the time the other 50% will only remove 5 boons.
spinal shivers 1 1/4s cast time = more than enough time to dodge and not many condi builds use a focus which complements power much more.
Chill of death, well ok you got me on this one. but we will see how many necro’s wills till use 30 in spite after dumbfire nerf.

if you play wvw and dont bring 2 stun breakers you will be eaten by stuns/daze no matter what build they enemy has. which is why I advocate for more self condi removal and less aoe condi removal so you can be more in control of your own character.

Spicyhash.7605:

No skill should hit that much without a large sacrifice/long channel time. Look at skills like Churning Earth and Kill Shot. These skills do incredible amounts of damage, but both have a channel time of like 3 seconds and decent length cooldowns (30 and 10 + time to regain enough adrenaline to use the SAME version of the skill again, respectively).

All high hitting skills in this game come with a high cost whether it is through a long channel, a long channel, or a combination of both (final thrust, for example).

Backstab has the capability to hit for 15k+ in full glass builds.

Two conditions must be met:
1) Stealthed
2) Hit from behind or sides

For #1, stealth can be spammed constantly, so that isn’t a problem. Backstab, as the name implies, should only hit from exactly the back and not the sides included. This would bring the overall success rate of the skill from 75% to 25%, a reasonable drawback to something that delivers such high damage. Either that or the initiative cost needs to be enough to where it can’t be done quickly in succession. i.e. C+d takes 5 or 6 initiative, most thieves have 12, so backstab should cost at least 5-6 initiative to use. death blossom costs 5 and does much less direct damage.

Killshot can be cast from 1000+ away and is used by a warrior which lets face it is anets favorite class.
Churning earth is AOE and also applies bleeds (can be used with a utility to make the cast from range and just zap in)

Backstab – Single Target, Must be in melee range and behind the target
Must use 4 signets and venom for a max of 22 might stacks (45s cd for each full power burst)
No way to heal, No way to remove conditions, No way to mitigate any damage aside from running away. (based on the vid and the build he was most likely using. )

MarMaster.6241:

Changing the stacking stat buffs was already requested for removal, but you know Anet knows best.
+150 power/vitality/crit/healing power/etc cannot possibly be unbalancing if everybody on your server has it.
All you need is the most coverage, and you can faceroll the other servers.
Perhaps Anet might consider having a public test server.

Anet does not care about WvW!
they only care about their Spvp Esport which blows. that should have been enough for us to see that this game will never be what we thought it could be.

-% duration food/runes and you wont have many issues.
congratz you countered the "meta"

Arena: No respawns and best out of 7 rounds.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

JEFFARR.8163:

Why cant we duel our friends in wvw, it would be soooo fun and wouldn’t change anything. Plus it would be super fun dueling loudmouth friendlies.Yes i know we could all duel in pvp but pvp changes armor and outcome and builds can be different because they dont have access to a rune etc. Plz Anet it would make my day xD

Rent your own Custom Arena, and duel all you want.

did you read the OP?
“Yes i know we could all duel in pvp but pvp changes armor and outcome and builds can be different…”

he doesn’t want to use the Spvp amulet system and I dont blame him.

I dont have a problem with zergs.
I have a problem of aoe only damaging 5 out of 25+ in that zergball

Gandarel.5091:

style.6173:

Gandarel.5091:

So I think it’s official, Zerg vs Zerg is considered GvG. I don’t think 20v20 can be considered GvG or PvP. I think GvG would deserved an own gamemode and a ladder, but with this, the opportunity has gone away. It should be the PvP version of guild mission.

Thoughts?

I will never call that thing GvG.

Stop trying to define GvG yourself. GvG is two guilds who agree how many people should fight and then go and fight. If they want a small number, fine. If they want 20v20, fine. There are no rules on numbers.

The problem is that’s not even PvP. In a 20v20, does individual skill matter at all, Can you watch out for a mesmer raising up his gs summoning a berserker? No. You go spam AoE skills with your PvE build and then hope for lucky crits. You can’t do anything.

And GvG was defined in the GW universe nearly 9 years ago.

Dont care what it was called 9 years ago or what it was in Gw1.
this is not gw1, this is Gw2.

GvG is now 15v15 or 20v20
if you dont like it stay in spvp and stop trying to define what we do. Only reason we even started to come to your forums was because the wvw devs make a mistake in placing a bloodlust buff in our maps.
we are now getting a new arena. we will stay as far away from spvp as possible since we are too “unskilled” for you.

Daemonne.5018:

How would this affect Dungeons?
Not to mention siege equipment wouldn’t stand a chance against a small group of AOE.

Imagine a Zerg Ball rolling up on you with AOE casters leading the way, demolishing all in its path without needing to get into melee range.

Dungeons will be faster
Siege…. i dont use it so I dont care
Zerg “ball” ….. flank and make them go home

Rising Dusk.2408:

JonPeters.5630:

Even though we wont do it for Dec 10. I just wanted to throw out a wacky possible idea for Dhuumfire that we could discuss…

• Life Blast has a 100% chance to cause Burning on hit (2 seconds long). 6 seconds ICD.

Obviously the #s are ballpark and not necessarily final. The % chance, duration, and ICD are all subject to change.

Jon

A lot of these considerations, unfortunately, don’t make a lot of sense.

We should consider the following realities:

• A damaging condition in the Power line both hurts condition builds that want it and limits power builds that don’t want it
• Having it force power players to use LB to get the burn may have some validity in PvP, but drives this trait further into the mud for PvE where LB is inferior DPS to Dagger

Consider the following instead, Jon:

• Move Withering Precision from Curses to Spite Grandmaster
• Move Dhuumfire from Spite to Curses Grandmaster and DON’T change it
• Move Terror up to Grandmaster
• Drop Lingering Curses down to Master
• Move Weakening Shroud up to Master and DON’T change duration
• Move Spectral Attunement down to Adept

Withering Precision: Deal 15% more damage to foes suffering from Weakness.
Siphoned Power: Deal 10% more damage when you have over 90% HP or 90% Death Shroud.

This does the following things:

• Conditionmancers are forced to take either Terror or Dhuumfire, but they can’t have both
• Dhuumfire is a cover condition for other conditions and can have longer durations depending on condition duration investment, but fear doing damage is also very powerful. From this position, you could possibly even buff Dhuumfire to bring it into line with Terror since they occupy the same trait spot on a bar.
• Weakening Shroud is kept valuable with its new synergy with the new Withering Precision, which is now in the Power line
• Withering Precision goes to the Spite line and actually provides a dps boost comparable to Close to Death with different conditions, which actually helps PvE necros too
• New Siphoned Power has synergy with Death Shroud because you can activate it when health is over 90% and keep it there safely, and this trait significantly helps power Necros in both PvP and PvE to actually be worth packing over condition variants

Love the Idea of Making a necro choose to get burning or terror!!!!!
a necro should not be able to get both at the same time!

Thief

SB #2 & #4
Dagger storm

watch bags come in

My necro will have these runes.
oh I can taste the tears already haha

Tricare.2946:

Why do people keep saying this GvG is real GvG?

because in GW2 this is the GvG we have.

If you want to go play GW1 GvG go ahead. but do not come here and tell us GW2 players this is not “real” GvG.

if you want to go 8v8 there is sPvP for that.

Spvp would be fun if it we needed to fight players not just hold certain spots the longest

Zanshin.5379:

If you want to do 1 vs 1, go PvP…

If I want to 1v1 ill go to WvW
Dont mess with MY game mode