Guild Wars 2

Why would you want GW to keep up? Anet refuses to make expansions, refuses to add raids. They did give us, what, 2 new dungeons, but then they took them away. Great game, terrible follow-up. Just let it go with dignity.

Europe isn’t disappointed, just the OP is.

Character advancement has been one of the basic elements of RPGs ever since these games existed, on pen and paper. I’m sorry to say, but if you don’t like vertical progression, this entire genre of games is only going to give you grief. Yeah, that’s right, a lot of people in this thread kept arguing over what an MMO is, but forgot that this is an MMORPG.

On a side note, calling people names, claiming that you can’t help them and ignoring them after you lose an argument to them, doesn’t help your case.

chemiclord.3978:

I can safely say I do not have a single piece of Ascended Armor, and am in no rush to do so. I kinda understood the gnashing about weapons (as the overall damage was not insignificant), but armor in a game that is pretty much predicated on avoiding as much damage as possible isn’t quite a big of a deal for me.

Wait, what?! You do realize that the armor value of your armor is the least important thing it brings to the table, right? You also get attributes and rune slots, all of which contribute to your damage output.

About that “it’s not required” nonsense. Literally nothing is required of you. So what, that’s beside the point. We all choose to play this game, and some of us choose to get the best gear available for our toons. The point is, if you want the latest tier of gear that Anet introduced, you have to grind a kittenload of account bound mats. The only thing we can reasonably argue over is whether people like the amount of grind, or would they prefer less, or maybe even more.

Silentsins.3726:

People use overflow in order to get an exclusive instance for the people that they want to play with with minimal interference from people going afk near the event who increase scaling without contributing; and other undesirables…
It’s kind of telling that the groups that have any reasonable chance to complete these events are circumventing the system in order to create and “instance-like” environment, is it not?

This. I’m not sure how people don’t get that this stuff already is instanced. Except it’s really clunky and poorly designed, allowing players little to no choice of which instance they join. Also, if you don’t want to be in a raiding guild, pug raids, anyone? C’mon, MMOs have been around for a while, all your complaints have been ironed out by now, the problem is in Anet that desperately want to be a unique snowflake instead of relying on tried and proven solutions.

OP, overflows are instances of the map. Servers are instances of the game. The community isn’t even asking for something new to be added, we’re just asking for it to be done right. Give us the control over which instance we join, instead of being sent to a random one. And if you want to include small guilds, balance content around a smaller number of players, not 100+. It’s not like all this hasn’t been done before, I don’t get why Anet insists on reinventing the wheel.

Here’s hoping the new unnamed MMO invests into developing actual end-game content rather than 8-bit jumping puzzles.

Silent Shino.7239:

Btw, just because I don’t like your server, that doesn’t mean I’m a troll.

No, the fact that you are being a scumbag on the forums means you’re a troll. Your behind is apparently hurting over some imagined slight. A generous application of a soothing balm should help.

Lostara.7109:

When I read the post of your mates it sounds like crying.

Can you quote? It appears you might be hallucinating. We like 2v1, it means double the lootbags, and they come to us, we don’t have to go out hunting for ’em.

Well, this is an interesting start. I foresee 10 pages of kittens posting kitten.

I knew the reward was going to be terrible, so I never bothered going for the meta. I did get it though, simply by playing WvW for the past 7 weeks. So, some extra stuff for playing what I normally play anyway, don’t mind if I do.

eekzie.5640:

The whole problem is that people find this offensive.
That is not subjective.

You either don’t understand what offensive means, or you don’t understand what subjective means. This is a thread where a person asks for something they don’t like to be removed. Sorry, I can’t agree with that. I give you that some people might feel offended by it, but that’s fine. I’m sure if we took action against everything in our culture that someone felt was offensive, we wouldn’t have very many things left. If it bothers you, simply stay away from it.

BrownMonkey.4061:

Never intended to make a comment or an attempt at trolling, until I saw this ignorant line.

I see your totally mad, your server did the exact thing we are doing and they were better at it until Tuesday ( If you guys are able to compete with us at that level and even be better than us , aren’t you guys gold league material as well then?) when i guess you guys gave up.

Although you did pass us (in terms of ratings) on Tuesday and maintained the lead (if not increasing it), the first signs of problems was on the dawn/morning Monday when you closed the big gap (~10k) we had against you. Monday then Tuesday, working day, makes sense to you?
Quoting another guy:

Coverage come into play after the weekend when servers are more or less equal in fighting quality. Weekend score mean mostly nothing.

Gandara can pull the graveyard shift from reset-weekend (and so can most silver league servers) but when work-week starts, that’s impossible (not with the same numbers we could pull in weekend).
So no, we did not give up, certainly not on Tuesday or the days that followed. Rather life made its impact when work-week started.

Excuses much? I’m sorry, but we’ve already established that when a server starts losing all of a sudden, that means they are throwing the match deliberately. There can be no other possible explanation. Following that line of reasoning, the inevitable conclusion is that Tankara is aiming for bronze next season.

Please allow me to recap this thread. So apparently, we, Deso, decided to /afk in LA for a few months in order to bring our rank down. We also told some guilds to spend a whole bunch of money so they could leave to other servers, while we continued to idle in LA. The idea was, supposedly, to win the league for some shiny prizes. Then when the deed is done, those guilds that left are to spend another bunch of money to return to us, so that we could all collectively get facerolled by gold servers once again.

lol

We’re losing to a silver server, yet we belong in gold? O Logic, Logic! Wherefore art thou Logic?

Dark Catalyst.1028:

I play a male sylvari and am quite happy with the amount of customization possible.

As for the people saying they would rather look at a “hot female”…you do realize that it’s a female rendered in cartoonish graphics. Nothing “hot” about those pixels. But regardless, it’s okay to admit that you’d like to play as something than an avatar of yourself in a video game. It’s a great change of pace and I always like to play females of “uglier” races (goblins and orcs in other games) for the uniqueness factor. You don’t have to preface your choice with: “Well I’d rather look at a hot chick than some duuude.”

Just own your preferences.

And do you realize that most drawn/rendered women look far better than most real life women? It’s fine if you can’t appreciate aesthetics, but why assume the rest of us can’t, either?

Silent Shino.7239:

Bubbles.1047:

So, a silver league server wipes us during prime time and brags about it, while at the same time arguing we should be in gold, even though we are clearly weaker than them. That pesky logic, how does it work?

you are clearly weaker at prime time only and some parts of the day; during the night and the morning, you zerg us into oblivion, that’s why you should be in gold league.

You’ve obviously never played in the top tier, so please allow me to clue you in on something: as much as you are no match for us, in terms of PPT, we are outmatched tenfold by gold servers.

So, a silver league server wipes us during prime time and brags about it, while at the same time arguing we should be in gold, even though we are clearly weaker than them. That pesky logic, how does it work?

Fellow Deso players,

For weeks now I’ve been watching you get trolled brutally. The worst part is, it’s always the same trolls, even using the same bait. And you keep falling for it, over and over again. Wise up, already. This is getting embarassing. It’s bad enough that these people aren’t getting banned from posting on forums, you don’t have to make it worse by cluttering up every single match-up thread with this kitten. For the love of FSM, just stop, please.

Dragonax.6487:

If everyone can get their ascended from drop. It would be very unfair for the people who spent hundreds gold leveling up their crafting.

And how is the current situation fair to people who didn’t buy gold in order to afford crafting? When was a P2W system ever fair?

Anyway, ascended weapons don’t drop. It’s a myth.

Khey.4735:

poepie.6570:

Congratz to the first hacker of the week and Desolation are the winners!
Had this d/d ele jump up to the Lake wall from down below and started to hit ppl instead of walking out.

Please don’t cry hacks for no reason, the Ele wasn’t hacking/cheating/glitching or anything, it was actually my fault (in fact it’s Anet’s fault for leaving obvious bugs like this in the game), I pulled him to the wall so I could land my grenades more easily from the top of the tower and he bumped on it, was launched in the air and landed at the top of the tower, this happens ALL THE TIME for me especially on bumpy terrain, it prevents the pull from working correctly and ends up wasted. What a PAIN.

The Ele grouped up with me and we had a little chat, he was afraid I would report him for “hacking” when I knew full well what had happened.

So yeah, nothing to see here, move along, and Anet, would you be so kind as to look into this annoyance of a glitch pretty please?

Ouch! The troll got served big time. Well done, madam/sir.

Arcade.8901:

Instead of fixing their server Deso does what they do best.

Getting farmed too hard? Venting frustration on the forums? I understand. The cruel life of a loot bag…

Ayrilana.1396:

Overflows will not be a problem in a week or two. It only feels like it’s a problem because of how many people are trying to get into the main servers. You’d still have this problem if guesting were not available. If you ever farmed the world bosses then you would know.

In my opinion, Anet is likely hush hush about what’s going on because they know things will die down with the next living story update. People will focus on the Halloween content instead of trying to get into Sparkfly Fen. Servers can then organize freely to take down Teq. Guilds that were made specifically for this can as well.

Yeah, ignore the problem because it will correct itself when people stop playing the content. Unfortunately, this is exactly what Anet has been doing for the past year, which is why the game is in such a sorry state.

But let’s recount. We’ve all seen reports of overflows beating Tequatl. These are not some random people thrown together, who have magically rallied to fight the boss. This was done by organized groups who moved to specific, empty overflows so that they could be able to bring all their people in. In other words, they were creating their own, private instances of the fight. My server does a similar thing by guesting on empty worlds. In addition, the dragon drops BiS gear, namely the weapons and the aquabreather. These are not merely skins, these actually provide higher stats than what you could normally find. Well, I got news for you naysayers. Tequatl already is a full-blown instanced raid boss. It’s just that the method of getting into the encounter is incredibly clunky.

It’s time to face the music, Anet. Other MMOs are doing it. Players within your own game are doing it, by working around the limitations you put in the system. Leaving it this way simply means players have to exploit your code and wait for hours to have fun. There really is no need to reinvent the wheel. It’s time to start developing actual instanced raids.

You forgot the most important part. Camp in Sparkly Fen for a day or so, thus hopefully getting out of the kitten overflow.

Anyone can join? My overflow disagrees. A problem which would have been avoided had they introduced instanced raids instead.

Inb4 some fanboi comes along saying “it’s only been a day, be patient, give it a few weeks, people have to learn the fight, it’ll get faster in time, why do you want everything given to you for simply logging in”.

DevonCarver.5370:

Shiren.9532:

I primarily PvE but I still don’t see the actions over the last year as reasonable attempts to make ascended items fairly available to WvW players. I don’t care what you’d like to do, I only care about what you actually do.

Speaking as someone who has only gotten Ascended gear via WvW vendors, I’d say that’s nonsense. Speaking as a developer, we are continuing to make this better, which is not to say perfect. There will be more ways to acquire the ascended mats as part of the season and we will look into adding yet additional ways after that.

Speaking as a player of your game, this is nonsense. You don’t seem to understand the problem. Ascended mats are super easy to get. It’s all the other ‘traditional’ mats that are the problem. Leveling just one crafting discipline takes 200g, and then it’s 50g per weapon. A typical WvW player can’t even begin to afford that. We can either grind PvE or buy the gold. We don’t need new ways to get ascended mats, we need new ways to get ascended weapons.

If only there was some type of token that dropped in WvW that could be traded in for gear…

Legendary Hardmode.3856:

Thanks Deso for so much Mimimimimimi! A lot of fun And thanks for Gandarra for fights like man not p**** like Deso is!

Best joke tonight: stiello.1875 and thanks to DVG for all the baggys this week. See you soon

What’s a Mimimimimimi?

This thread shows exactly what’s wrong with this game. And just think of all the dumb kittens out there that will defend this claiming that ‘hard work’ should be rewarded. LOL

Bright.9160:

Or have a token-like system where you can exchange some ascended token for a box of your choosing.

This right here is the crown jewel of this thread. I’m amazed, bewildered, dumbfounded, perplexed, flabbergasted that they didn’t put in something like that. Every MMO has done this, GW2 has done this for every type of item prior to ascended weapons. What happened? Did somebody suddenly turn on the dumb-switch over at Anet? I’m extremely disappointed…

fellyn.5083:

daros.3407:

Prepare 150 – 200g or you have no chance to get to 500. And ofcource you will probably need at least 2 professions so you will need another 150 – 200g for second profession. And ofcourse that will only get you to 500 you still need to farm tons of materials to get you weapons :-)
This is worst update Anet ever did. Game is now only about farming and nothing else.

This is simply not true. I didn’t spent a single copper crafting from 400-500 weapon smithing.

But I gathered all the materials myself and not everyone will have done that.

Also with a crafting booster I got most of the way to 425 just refining orichalcum ingots.

So, in other words, those mats you gathered yourself were worthless? You could get nothing for them on the TP and even the vendors wouldn’t take them?

Jski.6180:

Bubbles.1047:

Jski.6180:

Well like the other Ascended items you had to put time into getting them. A lot of rings take about a week to get more if you wanted a single type. The earrings would take months to get the back items would be kind of random to get. Ascended wepons may be the easiest to get out of all the ascended items we have other then the back item. As things stand the weapons are new and “EVERYONE WANTS THEM NOW” they realty just wanted them to be handed to them but these items type are made to need time NOT GOLD to get.

Is that so? Explain to us then why we need to spend a kittenload of gold to craft an ascended weapon?

50G is a lot? There are a good number of ways to make gold in this game gold is maybe too easy to get but 50G is not a lot lol. Any way the old back items where a good bit in there time about 20G ish for the old MF ones.

No, 50g is not a lot. But since we’re talking about ascended weapons, and 50g doesn’t even begin to cover the cost of making one, why did you pick this number in particular? You may as well have claimed that 1g isn’t a lot and thusly concluded that those weapons are cheap to make.

Jski.6180:

Well like the other Ascended items you had to put time into getting them. A lot of rings take about a week to get more if you wanted a single type. The earrings would take months to get the back items would be kind of random to get. Ascended wepons may be the easiest to get out of all the ascended items we have other then the back item. As things stand the weapons are new and “EVERYONE WANTS THEM NOW” they realty just wanted them to be handed to them but these items type are made to need time NOT GOLD to get.

Is that so? Explain to us then why we need to spend a kittenload of gold to craft an ascended weapon?

Agreed with OP. I wasn’t too happy when they announced ascended crafting, but I decided to go through with it anyway, cause, you know, BiS. But then I saw how much it costs just to level a craft to 500. Needless to say, I’m not crafting one anymore.

Can we get some more ways to get those, you know, like all the other ascended items in the game?

tl;dr

It’s not the people who kill people, it’s the guns who kill people.

Oh, great. Now we got religious people infesting this game as well. Shoo. Go away. We don’t want your kind here.

Wemil.7052:

oh yes<3 and Monday its reality x gaming community 14 years birthday omega rush whole week deso gonna have the feeling when few mad commanders are paying back for what they did last week teaming with vizunah<3 lets do it<3

Dear Loot Bag,

We graciously accept your generous sacrifice. Your efforts to fill our coffers have not gone unnoticed. We appreciate your performance in the past, and are glad that you continue to fund our team in the present. It pleases us that we will not be forced to hunt you down this week. We humbly request, though, that you bring your relatives with you, the Steel Chests.

Sincerely yours,

Zerg Farmer

If you don’t see the issue, then this is obviously not the thread for you. You should be out there, white-knighting for Anet in other topics, rather than trivializing other players’ concerns here.

So much bravado coming from Piken. They wait for us and AM to start fighting and then they flank one of us hoping for some easy kills. An honest fight, indeed. But then they start dying, and then they turn tail and run. AM stays and fights, Piken runs away at the first sign of trouble. Have you ever tried attacking a Piken tower? There’ll be a small zerg running right past you towards the nearest door. Then they’ll start raining down on you from the ACs inside. Open fights, my kitten.

Piken, get off your high horse already. Who knows, you might learn something and get better at this game.

Anyway, GG to AM. It’s a shame you can’t match our numbers, but you certainly don’t lack resolve. Piken, thanks for all the lootbags, I guess.

Nemesis.8593:

Darek.1836:

yup because casting 2-3 marks while running away from me and putting around 8 conditions, ticking me for 2k per second with chill and sometimes cripple as well definitely means Im winning.

8 Conditions that tick 2k per second = 16K DPS, you will die in 1.5 seconds… how come i don’t die in 1.5 seconds from other necromancers… must be my baus aura. Hmm… how come i don’t kill other people in 1.5 seconds ?…

Awww man… baus aura is broken.

Really? Are you that kitten? They meant a TOTAL of 2k per second, not 8×2k. Some people…

You know you have a decent thread on your hands when you get Good Guy Vayne to defend Anet.

Agreed very much with OP. Less Super Mario, more RPG, pretty please.

frostshade.3617:

Bubbles.1047:

Eles have light armor, low health and do comparably low damage. They’re made of wet paper and attack you with noodles. So they can escape death if they’re close enough to a tower. That’s your beef? Really? How about we strive for class balance instead?

Your not playing ele right at all maybe you should reroll eles can put out really high damage or be one of the hardest to kill classes in game

And how exactly does this clash with what I’ve said? Reading is hard?

Eles have light armor, low health and do comparably low damage. They’re made of wet paper and attack you with noodles. So they can escape death if they’re close enough to a tower. That’s your beef? Really? How about we strive for class balance instead?

Another great week behind us, hope everyone had fun. CU some other time!

Wolferion.4518:

Blob or not a blob, the matter lies in the fact that SFR has many times more WwW oriented population than we do on Desolation, the lack of people to match SFR is what lets SFR do whatever they want like today in EB; 70ish vs 10-20 (at times 40ish) people, the 40ish being when no other map had players. We can whine all we want, but it won’t help it, SFR has the people, we don’t, thus we’re a lower tier material. In that regard, I wish Anet’s match-ups had worked already.

Actually it’s the double teaming on top of being outnumbered that’s the matter. But there’s a silver lining – we get bags with feet streaming their way to us all the time from both red and blue side.

What the kitten? FPS and lag literally have nothing to do with each other. I get 20-30 FPS in huge 3-way fights, which is perfectly fine with me. The lag tho, is a different story. When this happens, I can run around in the fight, see everything that’s going on, walk thru AoE. Nothing happens, none of my skills will fire, I don’t get hit by anything. If I try to waypoint out, I have to wait 5-10 seconds for it to take place. The other night, not even auto-attack was working. And yet, chat was fine. I know because the /map was complaining about lag. People on the other side of the map, escorting dollies had lag. That’s because the chat server is separate from the WvW server, which is the real culprit. This is the problem the OP is referring to, not FPS drops. Your machine that you have at home has nothing to do with this.

Thobek.1730:

“omg fix culling!! its unplayable”

- ok we’re allow you to see all the players but it will cause a lot of stress on you machines and connections

“just do it already!!”

…2 months later

“you were right!! it lags!! but we need this fixed I want to see all 500 players running at a high fps on my kittenty connection – FIX IT”

Can you please explain how you think FPS is related to network latency? Or, in this case, poor server responsiveness. Pay attention everyone, we are about to be enlightened.

Well, after a week of being double teamed by Kodash and SFR, I gotta say, the zergs were huge, the players were bad, but kitten was it fun! Was nice knowing y’all and thanks for the loot bags. <3

daimasei.4091:

rant

And no, I’m not asking you to leave GW if you don’t like it or those kitten fanboys always said, I’m legitimately asking why, if raids are so great and there is already hundred of games with that system, why come to GW and ask for raids instead of keep playing in WoW?

Also, this is a F2P game, shinies and aesthetics items belong to the Gem Store. If we we could get shiny weapons by finishing a 10-15 men dungeon then, what would be Anet profit?

Because we like GW. It’s the best MMO on the market, why would anyone want to go play anything else? We want to play GW and we want raids included in the game, to make it even better. Also, please don’t assume we come from WoW. That game is terrible. Seriously, who plays that?

GW is not F2P. It’s B2P. Huge difference. And we already have shinies being sold in the gem store, as well as shinies available from completing specific content. Not sure how raids would change any of this…

Agreed with OP. But hey, at least it’s better than SAB…