Well, another “we need trinity” post…. Ok, ill have to agree in that i miss tanking or healing a bit, but i also dont think that those rols are a necesity here. Others could be made. And i also think restricting a class to X rol is not also a good idea here. Tank/Healer/Dps normally works in some way that makes the some rols a must or completely useless.
But somethings could be changed a lil to add rols. If they made it so you can change trait everywhere (without cash shop) and added mobs more skills rols could be implemented imh with traits changing gameplay harder.
For example they could make triats that boost dmg by A LOT while others make all skills give AoE boons in a way you cant take both. So if some1 give boons to others it will do a lot less dmg but boost the group dmg by more than if no1 does that. A third rol could be boon striping and also achived by traits but this to be important mobs should have more boons. Every class could do any rol, just in diferent ways, while at the same time doing DPS.
Just as an example, if mobs had more boons a shater mesmer could use theyr shaters to remove theyr boons, they wont do as much dmg as a full dmg shatter mesmer but will boost overall dmg by more. Elem/guardian boons will make warriors and thieves hit harder also.
All those mechanics are allready there, the thing is theres rarely enough boons to remove and support by bufing your party is rarely focused in traits for most classes and none comes close to the raw power of DPS in PvE. Why not boost the mechanics they allready have?? Give mobs and bosses twice the HP they have but also give some traits that make each attack adds vulnerability and make it be twice as usefull so that way some1 will have to use it to bring them back to the usual time to take them down. Make mobs and bosses constantly reaply some boons (like dedges) so some1 has to remove them. Make every class be able to do that things if you trait for it, just not all at the same time. Conditions could also be made in a way that they are actually needed for PvE, lets face it, if you poison most bosses no1 will even notice it. Give bosses more heals and some1 will have to poison them or it will never end.
Imh the mechanics for rols are allready in game, they are just not strong enough. If they let us change traits all the time, make them way stronger and some mutually exclusive they could make a lot of rols appear. Maybe they could add more retrainers instead? Idk, maybe in waypoints?
Another thing that just came to my mind is they could make classes more even with HP, thoughtness and DMG and then make traits give a positive and a negative effect. For example a grandmaster trait could give 100% boon duration, reduce HP and DMG by 30% and make you share all the boons you cast with your party. Maybe instead of a trait an optional “bonnus” for maxing out a trait line? That way they could dissble those in PvP/WvW? Im just trying to think out of the box wich is probably what devs tried to do also.
Of course this is talking from a strictly PvE point of view and it would be really hard to balance in PvP/WvW. But lets be honest, PvE in “holy trinity games” is rarely balanced, pure tanks are useless in most games since they cant “hold aggro” on a person and usually the team with most healers tends to win. Not every game its like that, but it seems it happen way to often…..
Anyways, its actually up to ANet to decide where they want to take theyr game too….
Edit: Holy mother of a wall of text! You can easy notice i dont want to study! :P
Idk if we are the lowest dmg class, but for sure we are the hardest to notice the dmg class. With mesmer a lot of dmg comes from indirect sources like phantams or shatters instead of our 1-10 skills.
Also mesmers take a few secs to build up before dmg actually starts. While a warrior can just hit 2 on his GS we have to cast phantasms or clones to shatter depending on build.
On the other hand…. who cares, we are privileged with the most fun class to play
I want dancing clones to start my own personal partys in LA if we get skills for none aggresive zones
Hehe, maybe even change shatters to give clones some commands
F1: dance
F2: chase target and wave
F3: Jump
F4: bow? sleep?
Id love to stalk ppl with waves of neverending waving clones :P
Even when giving “revealed” can be very usefull in some places (mostly chocking points), the thief has be a serious idiot to cross a veil during a small fight in the open. But well i once casted a temporal curtain on a 1m tall bridge and crippled a whole zerg, it wasnt that hard to just jump down to avoid it but no1 did. Would had been more fun if i was a necro and feared them all now that i think of it
Idk id like it more if veil had better solo usefullness than still make us zerg utility tools.
Dont you love being the most overpowered and underpowered class at the same time?? Its so amazing to see ppl complaining about 1 thing and then other about the exact opposite…. forums are so much fun lol
Tbh i still cant believe we got no nerfs lol
Waiting for some hardcore testers to find a hidden ninja nerf
Scepter used to have condusion on its AA and it caused a lot of QQ and tbh they might have been well deserved. Sure, confusion was a lot more powerfull back then, but still, getting perma confusion stacks it can be to much. Instead of confusion on staff it might be better to add another condition (torment?? i cant think of anything else that would fit) or just leave it with random bleed/burn.
As for scepter…. bleed bleed poison?? Mmmm where i have seen that?? Ohh necro septer!! Now add that 3 more times! Posion on scepter i dont think its a good idea considering you + 3 clones can be stacking it. Removing it will be useless since youll get it 1 sec later also. Probably bleed (2 stacks) and torment (1 stack) (1st and 2nd attacks) would be more balanced imh. With 3 clones out stacks would increase in intensity quite good if the duration is not to short.
Edit: keep in mind ANet LOOOOVESSS to nerf mesmers, so if something gets to good we can get hit even harder from the nerf hammer
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Mesmers are a good all arround profesion, but we shine as duelist. A very versatile class that has a ton of active defence and missdirection skills. Keep in mind surviving as a mesmer is usually tight to skill of player, we rely more in not taking dmg than overhealing it or reducing it.
For zergs youll probably wont get as many tags as necros or elems, but we can get good drops with practice. Feedback (that purple reflect buble) might help you get a lot of tags or retaliation dmg or both
For roaming we kinda lack in swiftness department, so we need runes and/or focus to cover ground quickly, but once we are there we have awesome combat mobility and we are quite a pain in the kitten to deal with.
Also you probably wont see some impresive dmg numbers, a lot of our dmg comes from fantasms or conditions from clones or shaters depending on builds, but once you add all that our dmg is good enough.
Be warned first lvls are really annoying, mesmers shine at high lvls, not low. We are very trait dependant.
Mmmm Am I the only1 who´s scared theyll overbuff things only to overnerf them after??
Halting Strike: Damage dealt when interrupting enemies has been increased by 500%. sound potentially devastating, 2-3k dmg its quite a lot considering how many interupts we have. Not to mention divertion could hit like a truck IF you spread your clones properly.
Chaotic Interruption: This trait has been moved to the Grandmaster tier. In addition to inflicting a random condition, this trait will also apply a 2 second immobilize when interrupting an enemy. You could saiy the same, a good spread divertion would inmovilize your target for quite some time. Not to mention that with Imbued Divertion you could in theory halt a small zerg. Ok that would be the only thing you can do, ill give that. At least both traits are grandmaster….
Prismatic Understanding: This trait now pulses once every second while stealthed. This1 i dont get it, PU was allready a nice trait and now it will be awesome. I can almost smell prema protection….
Bountiful Interruption: This trait has been moved to the Master tier. In addition to granting a random boon on interrupt, this trait will also grant 5 stacks of might. add this now with PU with boon durations and mesmers became on of the best classes for boon generation…wich we can also share….
I agree that some mesmer build need some love, and mantras and interrups builds need it the most, but mesmers were allready good, now this might make us plain OP. Well, i guess we only can wait and see
Imh in zerg Vs zerg theres not much diference tagging than when you farm events. And if you think im impliying zergs act in a very similar way than mobs AI….. well, you are right
Also just blurred frenzy in the air sometimes works, idk how many times ppl came to, well, idk what, while i was doing that and take the dmg…. Ok AI sometimes might be smarter XP
But btw … has anyone tested this with a mesmer? Would he be limited to 3? Overwriting his clones/ phantasms? Using which weapon?
And even most important… would you be able to make a 200+ clones shatter?? Sure, Mindwrack would hurt, but 30 mins of distortion would be completely broken
Ok, here it goes… my first post in thieves forums
Tbh i have nothing agaist stealth skills, my main and only lvl 80 is a mesmer and i love using stealth. Also i dont mind fighting stealth classes.
Imh thieves have only 2 things that are frustrating about them:
1- Perma Stealth: I mean, come on, a thief pops out of nothing, i dodge, mirror images shatter and thief its almost dead so he stealths. He reapears full HP again i blurred frenzy, hit him again, he stealth again. He reapears full HP i distortion hit him again and he stealth again and we can go on like that forever…. Ok i get it, stealth its an important mechanic for thieves, but how many times i have to almost kill some1 before i finally run out of cooldowns?? So basically, stealth is fine, i can deal with it, but not like forever.
2- Stealthed ressing: and god this is even more annoying. As an example… some days ago i was roaming in WvW with 2 other ppl. We fought a group of 6-7 ppl who were quite bad so we were whiping the floor with them but…. everytime some1 was drowned a thief stealthed ressed them so basically even when they were quite bad we couldt finish any of them. You can say you can aoe the spot or aoe cc it but not everyone has that type of skills and being ressed from drowning its quite fast so if you need to wait 3 secs for cooldowns you can be sure theyll be up again.
Other than that i dont have much trouble with them. Specially since most thieves i found so far wont fight any1 they cant drown in theyr first backstab. It actually became quite funny to get ganked by 1 lately since i gave up chasing them. They attack me, i get them to 50% or less HP while they barely touch me, they stealth and we each part diferent ways, just like a rough “hi” :P
Of course every now and then a good thief appears and completely owns me but well, they were good, they deserved that win
Just think of what you wanna do.
Thieves shine at roaming solo and killing ppl that they find alone or in small partys for kiling and stealth ressing (wich i really hate, last time i drowned 7 persons and couldt kill a single 1….). If you plan on solo if you find some1 who can fight you back the normal outcome of the fight is the thief running away tho, in fact i dont bother with them anymore, they backstab me, i dodge or use an invul skill, hit them a bit and we part away from eachother, just like a rough way of saying hi :P
Mesmers imh tend to be more usefull in general, they are good roamers, not as good as thieves or d/d elems, but still good, have some great utility for zergs (probably where we shine more), we are good or small partys and we have spike dmg similar or maybe even higher than thieves if you build your char that way. On the other side, even when we seem to be able to do a lot of diferent things we cant do all at the same time as some ppl might think and to do our BIG burst we need to blow a lot of cooldowns toguether (iLeap + Dodge + Swap + Mirror Images + Blurred Frenzy + Mind Wrack with maybe even more skills) instead of just a backstab plus a couple of hits.
Also we mesmers are the class that ppl will allways find something to complain about. We had a lot of nerfs and now apparently ppl are watching at our phantasm builds to cry at wich is very good at 1 vs 1 (and only at 1 vs 1 normally) IF and BIG IF ppl stay and fight against us, normally they could just run and we can only wave at them with that build
Both classes share a big advantage also, we can pick our fights, if either mesmer or thief want to run, well we can do it thnx to our ports and stealths with thief being a lot easyer.
Edit: ill have to agree drongas, your build is kinda weird… seems like half phantasm with some shatter traits tho if you can pull it with that i dont see much problem. I suggest you take a loot at this builds to plan yours better:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Guide-WvWvW-Pve-Shatter-Cat-Updated-9-5/page/21#post2057855
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Seven-Mirror-WvW-Mesmer-05-18-13/page/6#post2057171
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Builds-Kylia-s-Builds-Compilation/first#post2024465
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Time warp skill cool down is not to bad compared to human elite skills. but its not a glammer and time warp can also kill you fast. if you have confusion on you and you are able to spam skills very rapitally you can down your self lol.
Quickness can be a bit weird in other ways, for example (most) leaps only travel half the distance under Quickness.
Casting fields while under Quickness causes them to expire quicker, which is a problem for non-ticking fields like Feedback.
And not to mention Blurred Frenzy last only 1 sec instead of 2 in TW
Hey Osi, i just posted that on grimms post and now its your turn….
After watching both of your vids im deing to see you both have a duel! When you guys are going to give as an epic Osi Vs Grimm vid??
Should i start it own post to get ppl asking for it??
Am i the only1 who would love to see a vid of grimms fighting osicat?? Both of them show some epic fights in vids, now i wanna see how they hadle each other
Hehehe even when i would love to actually mess with ppls minds like that its probably quite OP. Better moving clones its nice, but then if you dont dodge could work just the same like a stealth in plain sight.
Idk, just give me 1 or 2 more skills like swap to change position with clones and ill be a very happy mesmer Ok, maybe not in staff, its allready an excelent wep. but could work in mirror images and GS clone? Hit mirror blade, swap with clone, ilusionary wave… sounds fun :P
With the Mesmer, I just offense until I see a number on me then use one of my five “oh crap” buttons then proceed to offense again. I don’t really need to pay attention nor try very hard to predict what they are going to do, because I have the resources to negate and deny the damage while it happens anyway.
Awesome! Keep it like that and youll be food for everyone that knows how to fight a mesmer (wich is getting more common) and in some time youll come to QQ mesmers are UP
You can reset your traits any time you want for a very small fee. At lvl 80 its like 3.5s if i remember right wich you can get selling like 2 random drops.
As for builds theres plenty, i suggest you to look at Osicat, Lazy Kay, Seven Mirrors (shatter builds, some full shatter, some not) and look for Phantasm Builds. Both Shatter builds and Phantasm builds work good in dungeons. Shatter builds rely in getting clones out fast to shatter then for big spikes of dmg, phantasm rely in keeping phantasm out for big dmg also both can hit quite hard.
There are some support builds like Chaos Maestro wich tbh i never tried myself.
Keep in mind mesmers are quite hard to play untill lvl 40, after that they just get better and better and better