Thanks for the replies everyone, gives me a good starting point, wondering if i can save a few bucks by going with pre-built systems or just piecing it all together myself.
My daughter is going away to college, and she loves this game. I want to get her a an ok computer that can run this game at a nice steady 30 FPS. No need for super performance, just kinda need to know the processor, ram, and video card. Lesser the cost the better.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Its kind of funny that there’s people posting on here saying that Ranger is in fact useful and wanted. Where the christ were these people for the last three years all the way up until Druid was announced?
Not here defending Ranger, that’s where.
EXACTLY !
None of these guys main a Ranger till POP here yah go Rangers go heal…
most players are just a sheep that accept any beating from ANET and take it as a reward. I cannot defend my self or any other main Ranger players because I know that we will always be treated like a nobody by ANET.. Roy please be done with it and stop making a fool out of us, we pay for the game too…
I have been a huge lurker for the past few years mainly because others said what i felt and i didn’t think i could really contribute to the conversations. I am pretty steamed about the Druid, and the complete lack of serious improvements for Rangers, because of this i am now stating how i feel. Sad fact though is that all of what i feel is vitriol and anger.
I refuse to be a sheep anymore. Sorry but Roy will be my poster child for the constant neglect and outright abuse Rangers have suffered for over 3 years.
I seriously challenge Roy to make an anonymous Ranger and try to get into high level Fractals, Dungeons, SPvP. Just make the attempt to join them and see how it feels to play as a Ranger.
Hmm i kind of felt undewhelmed about the Wyverns, they kind of reminded me of winged slugs that crawled along the ground.
I’m not sure what server you on, but on mine Ranger is actually sought after for havoc’ing in particular since two rangers can duo or trio even the castle. Granted, you’ll generally want more for it, but its possible. I’m only up to solo’ing towers. Keeps and castle are still too hard for me to take…
Also depending on your server, most servers I play on don’t care what profession you play on for WvW. Granted, sometimes we need tanks more so than healers and elementalists… but if you can take and tank on any profession like GW2 does allow, then you can be helpful to most WvW zerg parties and havoc groups.
Yeah right, let me guess you play bearbow.
You kitten the supervisor with the LB while your bear tanks for you.
And you pray no other enemy player comes around.
Not a solution not the pointHere you are wrong. The condition based trapper ranger inflicts tremendous damage (at the expense of sacrificing almost all survivability) and can down WvW / PvP bosses very quickly
How would this build be helpful to someone who wanted to be playing the druid ? I say this in respect to what this thread is talking about.
Because it wasn’t ready, they totally redesigned it not long ago to not include the aspects part that was datamined. It just took too long to get it to a decent place and felt weird, so they went back to the drawing board. Well, makes sense to me.
You maybe correct here, but i really feel that this was the absolute worst decision, should have come out the first BWE so it could properly be tested.
Yet again, as in the past 3 years, Ranger is treated with the most incompetence.
Believe it or not but it’s entirely possibly to run Druid with Marksmanship/Skirmishing and do high damage while being able to go into healing form whenever necessary. I understand lots of people don’t like math but it’s easy to tell Druid’s healing hardly scales with healing power.
If Rangers can “do high damage” we would be part of the Meta, we are from from that, so i guess i would need to know what you think is “high damage”.
I think other then the lack of DPS, and the lack of boons, i hate the fact that the lion’s share of our abilities are ground targeted.
I just wish they could have worked the skills to just go off on the target, but that would not work well with healing since we can’t really target other players very well.
Maybe having the heals work similar to how the #1 Axe skill works cept the heals go from player to player near the target ? Staff #1 could bounce to the closest player’s for the healing portion, add similar transference to the other skills that are ground targeted.
Its kind of funny that there’s people posting on here saying that Ranger is in fact useful and wanted. Where the christ were these people for the last three years all the way up until Druid was announced?
Not here defending Ranger, that’s where.
EXACTLY !
None of these guys main a Ranger till POP here yah go Rangers go heal…
Why was the most radical departure of elite specs “The Druid” saved for the last BWE and therefore given the least amount of testing time ?
Seriously, Druid is the absolute biggest change for any of the classes in this game, yet it is held back for the last BWE, giving the players who main Rangers jacksquat the ability to help define this spec. Revenant should have been held back till the last weekend, considering the gravity of the changes Rangers are now having to consider.
I just don’t follow the thinking behind this decision, yet again another slap in the face to all those who try to take the Ranger class seriously.
If A-net hates the Ranger so much (Just ask Roy) just remove it from the game so we can all move on. So tired of the neglect, so tired of the abuse (Roy), so tired of being a 3rd class citizen in this game, treated like crap in almost every aspect by the player base, and the developers.
This may come across as hyperbole, heck i can even admit it might be a bit, but let us all be honest here, 3 YEARS, and this is what we get.
a really nice wvw/ stronghold class.
Ummm have you looked at your sig ?
Just to say, OP, some of your change are totally illogic and would just nerf the ranger a bit more :
Pet damage is reduced (by something like 40-50%)
Sic Em: Now still works if Pet is commanded to use F2 skill during the duration (a bug fix which has been needed for literally years.
How do you even want the pet to do anything with Sic em if the pet do already no damage? The less base damage the pet do, the less effective Sic em is.
Overall, even if it’s hard to accept it, the ranger is balanced in regard of damage. The only thing the ranger need is a lot of work on the pet and maybe an upgrade on the shortbow.
Umm you really don’t main as a Ranger do you ?
If Rangers were “Balanced” in the dmg department, i would be able to get highend Fractal groups without having to buy them. Let alone other aspects of this game.
Shortbow is now one of the worst weapons in the game, attacking with shortbow in a team fight, you might as well not even be there, and you are almost guaranteed to take more damage than you deal (lmao).
1. Slow down the Shortbow auto , but give it a guaranteed bleed, increased power scaling AND torment if hitting from 180 degrees behind target, this would make it way better in team fights, in 1v1s it wouldn’t be that much better since the target can usually face you.
2. This skill is fine as is in my opinion
3. Make this a leap finisher.
4. Change the bleeds from pet into torment
5. Add conditional confusion to this, also reduce the cooldown by 5 seconds.
Another possible change is to take the axe auto attack and give it to shortbow with bleeds on it, then give axe a real condition melee chain.
Shortbow is now one of the worst weapons in the game, attacking with shortbow in a team fight, you might as well not even be there, and you are almost guaranteed to take more damage than you deal (lmao).
1. Slow down the Shortbow auto , but give it a guaranteed bleed, increased power scaling AND torment if hitting from 180 degrees behind target, this would make it way better in team fights, in 1v1s it wouldn’t be that much better since the target can usually face you.
2. This skill is fine as is in my opinion
3. Make this a leap finisher.
4. Change the bleeds from pet into torment
5. Add conditional confusion to this, also reduce the cooldown by 5 seconds.
Another possible change is to take the axe auto attack and give it to shortbow with bleeds on it, then give axe a real condition melee chain.
Seriously love yer ideas, would switch to SB in a heartbeat with those.
+1. every weapon needs to be compatible with condi and power builds. SB needs a little bit more condi output, and a huge buff to its power scaling. the weapon is actually not too bad but requires a lot of tweaking. I’ve been wanting to use it for a while now, but it simply isn’t viable.
+1 because they are nearly the same changes as I suggested and included tooltips for, two posts above yours
I didn’t use a leap finisher on Quick Shot though, I made it have a longer evade, Super Speed and vigor instead of Swiftness.
These sort of changes are pretty ubiquitous, so I think most people would be very happy with them, SB is fun, I like it a lot. The kiting playstyle is fun. The SB skills are not. With a few tweaks, it would be fantastic!
Torment has to be added to really get me interested in the changes proposed, the mechanic that torment brings as a condition just works perfectly to the whole SB approach to playing.
LOL would love to have torment stacking (like that would ever happen)
What does ranger lack in comparison to other specs, power or otherwise?
- ways to deal with boon stacking enemies
- AoE
- Skill/Utility bar compression
- competitive team support
Basically, almost all ranger specs are damage specs that are very linear in what they can accomplish, and all other classes specs can do a lot more with a single build than ranger can.
Druid sort of addresses some of those, but only by BEING a Druid.
So really, we amplify the scope of “what needs improvements” out to where we start with the question: Are other classes performing too many functions and roles with a single build, or are ranger builds not capable of doing enough?
+1. We’ve all been over these points (and I’d add teleport to the mix of possible combos that could make us shine at something.) I wanted the PvP forum to think about what they expect from a ranger, which I don’t think any non-rangers have ever thought about at all. See the totally not-going-to-put-us-on-a-team WHaO fiasco as evidence of that. I once asked Chaithe (who is just hilariously vitriolic in his disdain of any kind of ranger) what he thought would make rangers good and he said spirits.
Maybe to stick with the nature theme and the vines thing we could burrow underground like the mole men do ? (sorry i forgot how to spell there name)
As long as its not a slow movement would be close enough to a teleport.
Guys, please keep things constructive and classy.
You have ANETs full undivided attention, really… you do at the moment. I’ve talked to Gaile for a while last night and I can assure you she is not giving you lip service to make you feel better and forget about this.
I volunteered to help out this week and early next week to do reports for Ranger & Druid as well. If they would like, I will be more than glad to include Ranger & Druid into my weekly reports alongside PvP.
TDLR:
Don’t make kitten out of your selves, you have anets full attention, don’t waste it or use it to take a quick puck shot at someone.
Look i truly do appreciate you coming here and advocating restraint, for me if this was 3 years ago i would be restrained. It is 3 years later, i have been restrained enough, i have been patient enough, i have dealt with all the neglect and outright undeserved mistreatment, i do not claim to speak for others but i bet deep down alot of those of us who main Rangers are FED UP.
Do you think Warriors would be happy if there New Elite Spec line was to be a healer ?
If Roy up and decided Warriors might stacking needed to be nerfed just like he decided WHaO was to be changed so drastically, that the Warrior community would be happy and pleased ?
It is years and years of this type of treatment, and it falls squarely on the shoulders of the developers.
While i will restrain from outright vitriolic statements, i am no longer going to be passive and let this continue without making it understood.
Please don’t tell me to relax it’s just a game, i know that, but it is the game i decide to place hours of my time into, hundreds of dollars into. I can choose to do this with another game, i don’t i choose this game, and i chose the Ranger as my favorite 3 years ago, and not once on that day did i think how great it would be to become a healer. . . Nor is it exciting to be barred from joining upper tier content because my class is so unreasonably useless compared to others.
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Rangers won’t be complaining when every raid group wants a Druid.
Healers are a fun and interesting concept, but not for everyone. And right now, Druid healing is the only thing it looks like Ranger will be able to do better than any other class.
Rangers can replace the second Elementalist in a party after the Ice Bow nerf. Just sayin’
Yeah because that happens ….
Shortbow is now one of the worst weapons in the game, attacking with shortbow in a team fight, you might as well not even be there, and you are almost guaranteed to take more damage than you deal (lmao).
1. Slow down the Shortbow auto , but give it a guaranteed bleed, increased power scaling AND torment if hitting from 180 degrees behind target, this would make it way better in team fights, in 1v1s it wouldn’t be that much better since the target can usually face you.
2. This skill is fine as is in my opinion
3. Make this a leap finisher.
4. Change the bleeds from pet into torment
5. Add conditional confusion to this, also reduce the cooldown by 5 seconds.
Another possible change is to take the axe auto attack and give it to shortbow with bleeds on it, then give axe a real condition melee chain.
Seriously love yer ideas, would switch to SB in a heartbeat with those.
LB/staff seems like a good option to run in WvW zergs, with piercing arrows you’ll be able to get a lot of tags with rapid fire + barrage, then swap to staff for the rest of the fight
Problem is, most of the Druids heals are melee ranged…. a Druid will have to adopt a Yoyo effect to be decent with LB dmg (range modifiers).
So if on the 29th Anet had buffed Heal as One like it is right now, everybody would be happy.
Since Anet buffed it a little too much and then nerf it partially, while still being superior to the HaO pre-29th, people are QQing?
I understanding if people want to have a constructive discussion about does this nerf was needed? Or was it overnerfed? But to act like this was a nerf to the core propriety the profession and that ranger is garbage because of that or that all other profession should be nerfed for some strange emotive vengeance, it’s kind of stupid.
Again you are talking about the Ranger nerf, i am talking about why is this allowed with other classes still ?
If the Ranger buff was so bad and it needed to be changed 24 hours later, why does it still exist on Warr Ele and Guard ?
I get it that people want to make this about Rangers, it is not, what it is about is that fact that certain classes are allowed might stacking, while others are refused to have something even remotely close to this.
Not to mention the might stacking those classes get go party wide not just to the 1 person like WHaO got for rangers.
I use the toy sling shot skin for my shortbow and it changes everything. The range and damage really match the effectiveness you’d expect from it!
I do the same exact thing, plus the sound it makes when firing seems so appropriate.
I don’t want to default to the whole “Anet hates rangers” argument – I think that mentality is asinine and whiny.
But it’s hard to ignore how quickly this was changed, especially when looking at things like the D/D ele and icebow, as you said. Anet certainly isn’t behaving in a way that treats all classes equally at the moment :/
Because of the past 3 years, it is a fact that the developers are hypocrites, and play favorites with the classes they enjoy to play.
I guarantee you that Roy dood does not play a ranger. I bet he mains as a Ele of Warr.
I understand why you wanted to clip our wings (heh) on the protection, stability and quickness fronts – those were a little bit crazy. What I don’t get is why you reduced the might copying of WHAO to 3 stacks. I get that might is a powerful boon, but look at what some of the other classes can do with it.
- Elementalist? Most access to both fire fields and blast finishers in the game. Not only can they give their whole party >15 stacks of might easily, but they also have a trait that gives them and their allies fury when blasting fire fields as well.
- Warrior? Phalanx strength is a consistent 25 stacks of might to their entire team.
- Guardian? Empower, Virtue of Justice, a blast finisher and a fire field means that they can grant their entire party 18 stacks of might before a fight even starts, and that’s not even factoring in Empowering Might, which is 1 might per crit on a 1s cooldown.…so why is it so outrageous that Rangers get to hit the might cap for ONLY THEMSELVES? Our party-wide boons have always been meager compared to other classes (Ele heals better, warrior provides more might, guard provides more protection/retaliation, thief provides more stealth, mesmer provides a long duration AoE quickness), so why can’t we have a little bit of selfish power?
^^^THIS^^^
Too bad it will fall on deaf eyes.
Aren’t there enough threads in the ranger forum discussing this already?
It also wasn’t just used to stack might but every other boon too afaik.
This is not about Rangers, this is about the disparity between classes, trying to make it about Rangers is just an attempt to derail the discussion.
Necro’s do not get this, i am not sure but i dont think Mesmer’s or Engineers do either, but i could be wrong.
The biggest thing the core ranger needs is a total pet overhaul. 30% of our dps is trapped in the pet. A mechanic that isn’t reliable with hitting people in pvp, surviving in pve and very clunky to design. Until the pet is fixed the class will always be below average.
Could not have said it better, thank you Kitty.
They don’t have to address specific people because no matter what they say half of this forum will cry. And then if the devs actually wanted to have meaningful discussion with some people, they wouldn’t be able to do so because all the haters would flock to the thread and nuke it with vitriol.
Truth.
Just the fact that we have this thread and several other threads on the first page of the Ranger forums calling out devs is a reason for them to not show up. These passive aggressive threads are not how you invite others into having a discussion with you. Dont blame the devs for not showing up, blame yourselves.
3 years… when is enough … ENOUGH ?
Seriously ?
Don’t blame the devs, who else is to blame ? We the players ? The problems with Ranger is because of the complete acceptance by the Ranger community to be complacent and allow the repeated neglect by the devs.
Something needs to change, and being silent and accepting has not worked in over 3 years.
If a dev can come in here and tell me what i can do as a player to get positive movement towards a decent Ranger, a Ranger that can be apart of High end Meta, be just as sought after as any other class, i will gladly follow there advice.
As it is, what has been done in the past has resulted in even worse than neglect, from watching Roy in a Youtube video he thinks the Ranger is funny, and he was the person who told us the “Ranger Community” that we needed to be nerfed, on twitter.
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In other words, if ya go full healing… YOU GET NOTHING, YOU LOSE, GOOD DAY SIR!
+1 for Charlie and The Chocolate Factory reference !
There is a difference between something that is “strong” and something that is just a game-breaking flaw. They were so broken everyone just stopped playing pvp. It’s not as if rangers have anything to complain about: Their pet hits for 4-10k, they got a condi buff, they can still pewpew from1500 range for insane damage and they are getting the best healing in the game soon.
HUH ? Insane damage ?
If Rangers had the Might stacking nerfed in just a 24 hour period, why are all the other classes that can stack might allowed to continue to do so without any kind of reductions ?
Seems a bit of favoritism by the developers allowing such an egregious amount of might stacking from other classes, but when a class gets an ability that sets them remotely on par with the others, one dev manages to remove that in just 1 day.
I think this needs to be discussed, not ignored anymore.
We are, indeed, reading.
We particularly take time to read the constructive and well-crafted feedback posts.
I don’t want to make promises, which as many of you have pointed out can go horribly awry for a variety of reasons, but we are hoping to make some changes to the old ranger shouts (pre-WHAO & SotP).
Would really like to get some sort of feedback about pre-HoT pet efficacy. They currently have numerous problems they keep the ranger from being a useful part of the game.
Alot of the player seems very happy with the new HoT pets, i am also, but why can;t we get serious fixes for our pets we currently have ?
Ai pathing (fences, cliffs). Boss fight AoE insta death. Lack of decent accuracy (pets miss tons). Pets cannot attack on the move.
Just a few problems, i think i missed loads more.
With the introduction of the new pets the smokescale and the bristleback pet survivability should go up. More pet control would be affected more by skill lag and would still be affect by the moving target issue (Bristleback should have fewer issues here).
Why does A-net have to make 5 new pets in order for pets to “work” correctly ? We have several pets right now… still not working right.
Are you kidding? If he posted today or yesterday he would get flamed so hard by this community for no actual reason. He has given the Ranger good changes and yet everyone here would want his head because of this stupid WHaO debacle. I don’t think it’s any surprise that the debs don’t want to post on the forums bc people just scream bloody murder all the time. Have you seen how a lot of the guardian or thief community for example treats Karl when he posts there? Would get annoying real quick when you’re just trying to help.
Hit the nail on the head right there.
Why would anyone want to come and communicate with people with out of control emotions and no logic that just post insane non-productive rubbish, constantly? Would you? No. There you are.
Why should we continue to be silent and rage free when this has gone on for 3 years ?
When do we stop being the cowed sheep and get kittened about the neglect ?
I understand you got temp banned for saying things out of anger and frustration, but enough is enough.
Rangers need a serious fix, Druid is not a fix for a Ranger, Druid is basically a whole separate class.
I agree that you attract more bees with honey, but when the bees refuse to smell the honey its time for some vinegar.
While ranger base will never be fixed, at least we can be heal bots. I am excited to be a heal bot assuming it is going to be viable.
Get used to “Shut Up and Heal”
Thank you OP for your attempt to bring in others opinions (PvP crowd) on how to fix the Ranger equation.
Even if it was short lived and moved here.
I still find it so amazing how A-net has not grown and started better communication with its customers.
This kind of stagnation only hurts the players and A-nets ability to stay relevant.
You have to be careful as a developer though. Take the recent tweet that Raid’s were tuned against ascended stats. So much hate and arguments it has caused. In some ways, if we did;t know how hard the fights had been tuned, would it have mattered? Probably not.
Developers like Irenio are often better off making as few comments as possible because as soon as we, the player base get something (even if it isn;t tangible), we automatically assume that was a given and now they’ve taken it away from us.
It’s a bit like, not having something and then it disappears doesn’t hurt like having said something and then it being taken away. A great example was WHaO, the high boon time was very gimmicky and not super beneficial to Rangers because of the stuff you had to give up to use it, but mechanically infinite quickness etc was game breaking. What Ranger’s are most angry about is not the “fix” but the fact you gave it to Ranger’s then took it away within a day. Why wasn’t this tested properly?
I’m not saying Dev’s can’t communicate better, but I do understand that sometimes too much info can cause more problems.
I think that the devs for A-net can flip the script an take on a different approach with its community.
I have to point out City State Entertainment, these guys communicate about everything and it really builds a wonderful relationship between the developers and the player base (not advertising for them but they are truly pioneers in this aspect).
I do agree with you that what the devs say needs to be tempered or maybe filtered by maybe a community relations person, but umm i really think A-net makes enough money to hire a few people to handle that. At least we would get more conversation.
I still find it so amazing how A-net has not grown and started better communication with its customers.
This kind of stagnation only hurts the players and A-nets ability to stay relevant.
atleast devs talk to you guys… check the engi forum…
I see 3 red threads on the engi forum.
Gaile isn’t a dev.
Here is hoping that Gaile can slap (metaphorically) sense into said devs.
atleast devs talk to you guys… check the engi forum…
In the end it is the endemic problem A-net has perpetuated since the game started, this fundamental issue is at the Heart Of all the Thorny problems that are seeming to arise.
I don’t think what I and others are asking for to be so far beyond the realm of accomplishing by the devs.
I really appreciate your efforts here Gaile, but your voice is not the one the Ranger community needs to hear from. We know your support and determination, but we need to hear from those others, and not on Twitter.
It is really bad form to be using twitter for anything other than simple announcements… like, Get in GW2 for Hallow’s Eve, or something similar.
Whoever this Roy guy is should be ashamed that he allowed those Tweets in the first place.
Communication from A-net has always been very sub-par, i do not understand why you as a company cannot improve in this area and even try to set the industry standard, instead you choose to shoot for the low rung.
I am not advertising for another game here but you should really do a case study Camelot Unchained’s version of community outreach.
The Ranger has been mistreated for over 3 years now, we finally get some buffs to the class that is on point with others, and for some reason we get those positive changes undone in less than a day, this is not discussed properly with the community, this is just handled heavy handed without tact or thought.
Maybe an explanation as to why the Ranger community is treated in such a different manner than the rest might let us all understand.
I am trying to keep this civil, and constructive, i think it is time that A-net change its communication policies.
Hmm guess A-net did listen to those who wanted to perma stow there pets…
For a new player i would strongly suggest taking 2 bears… Brown Bear, and pop on over to the Norn Capital city and grab the Polar Bear. I suggest this because they have a very good survival rate and seem to hold aggro from most creatures. A big bonus to bears is that they are considered amphibious, this help when you are near shallow water transitions, the bears and other amphibious pets will not stow during a transition.
Once you get a good feel for pet behaviors you can then start trading off for high DPS, or trick pets that have other effects. Canines are great cause of there knockdowns. Fern Hound is nice with its heal plus the trait that adds healing when F2 is used.
You will also notice at the top of the available pets, the first five are all the new expansion pets.
Best of luck, Welcome to GW2 and please keep asking us all questions we love to support Rangers of all experience types.
While you’re at it Irenio, I noticed White Moa uses it’s F2 right away rather then getting in range of the target first. Can this also be fixed? Not sure how many pets have this problem.
Polar Bear does this also. While i want the fixes, considering all the other GLARING problems with pets that have been ignored for 3 years, i am considering this one of those minor problems .
So no ETA on this getting fixed ? i took the day off and have not gone back yet, no point for me since i am pretty much just playing my Ranger.
Plus 1, i totally agree it is not that big of a deal.
Pets F2 skill is borked for me with or without Beastly Warden.
I tried every pet, not one would trigger, i turned off Beastly Warden…. still persisted.
Hotfix happened, problem is still there.
I think when i was complaining about speed someone told me to get Travellers runes…
I am just hoping there is not a DNS attack .. again. This seems broken.
I really hope that A-net will consider letting us Pre-Download the Hot expansion…. waiting till release is a huge mistake.
Giant Heal Bot
Irenio Killed Pets
No More Rangers
No Fractals Druid
Zerk Meta Metality
Worst Elite Ever
I didn’t use a leap finisher on Quick Shot though, I made it have a longer evade, Super Speed and vigor instead of Swiftness.