Guild Wars 2

First clip showed the same problem, majority just ignored so could flip camp.
Guardian cast in wrong order really, should`ve really sword blinked & then immob`d ele, rest seemed to just auto attack cycle. Even when the necro (or engie, but sure was necro) pulled them back, no one else immob`d the Ele hehe.

Second clip, they weren`t exactly talented, also shows how bad Dragons Tooth & Fire grab are, takes a miracle to hit with those at times. & let`s face it, one was a staff ele, they`re walking loot bags or field spammers for other players, which is a shame.
(I`m back in Guild Wars nowadays, where staff isn`t considered a joke)

Also, yep he does kite out & gets reset, but that also means the enemies get a free reset too & as every other class has much better mobility then Ele these days, that`s even easier for them to do of late.
As far as I`m aware, no other class has had their cds extended on mobility, so if used right they shouldn`t of had much problem keeping up & I do recall some catching me often.

Watched fair bit of third clip, gave me flashback of when our dagger 3 used to appear on enemies lol, that confused me for ages that did hehe
tbh he was fighting terribads again, you can see in the first few fights, they`re barely fighting back & at times seem to just be relying on auto attacks. others just trying to walk away & don`t even drop AoE or anything. Take the ranger, uses bow & nothing else (Aah, memories of rangers using elite to root me, then instantly using LB 4 to knock me back haha)

Oddly, trying to recall Intigo server/guild, think I`ve fought & duelled them in WvWs in the past.

Fourth clip, Daphoenix even states in top comment “I’m aware this is a low skilled battle, but its still fun nonetheless. I’ll try and upload battles against higher skilled players :P” which I could see by the footage hehe

Just been thinking (ouch ;p) that when RTL was 15 second, it was still average, or perhaps slightly over, compared to other classes cds, when went to 20 it was almost average (but again, they can switch melee/range every eight seconds, warriors every four) therefore they could range us, keep us in combat & still catch up if using the right spell/weapons.

Forty seconds is just plain dumb.

I guess if they hit everyone with double cds or increased their cds it might help, but again, D/D is melee/short only so they really need it compared to others.

P.S. I played since beta/pre-nerfs etc & miss the good old days too
Having said that, I don`t miss gw2 after what it has turned into.

Le sigh

Ah oopsies, sowwee
<blush>

Where did I type kites?
You can stand directly in a zerg hitting them without moving much or at all, if they don`t pay any attention to you.

That is not kiting.

Mithfir.1038:

<snippity snip for sanities sake>
aka everything you`ve typed

RTL “back in the day” was never over powered.
The only reason folk kittened about it, was because they were too stupid to immob, stun etc the Ele.
Amount of times I`ve had small groups chasing me all over & not one of them did that, either because they didn`t equip, use the right weapons or spells, does not make the spell I use op, nor the class…
Even in spvp it got halved range, yet no one else` spells did…

You`re wasting time linking Daphoenix clips or mentioning them.
Show me one where he kills loads or all when out numbered & I don`t mean against uplevels or noobs. We can all post clips of fights that we outlived when shouldn`t of stood a chance, but fighting the clueless ones doesn`t make a class op.

D/D Ele is a melee/short range class only with no weapon swap.
There is no valid reason at all why this class alone should be hit with a double cd on RTL.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Swoop 12 sec cd & has pet & has stealth.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rocket_Boots 20 cd (has this been raised, sure it was lower last time I played) has access to range, stealth, smoke.
Pop stealth & http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Temporal_Curtain & http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Blink…
Thief….Not going to waste my time on that mobility mess…
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Whirlwind_Attack & http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rush (1650 range) & traited these break movement effects. Crit a critter, bonus speed boost.
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flashing_Blade 10 sec cd 600 range, no double if doesn`t hit. Also has speed utils, forgotten name.

Every one of these can be used as an escape mechanic, yet doesn`t go on double cd unlike RTL.
Every one of these, you still have access to spells, utils, elites etc, whereas RTL you`re a ball of sparks with nothing, not even a “oh crap let me cancel” button.

Every one of these can weapon swap to range/melee at press of a button, so if chasing someone, they can still hit them & if being chased, can still hit back.
If stood at a keep wall in combat, can still hit them above/below.

What I want, is for one time that someone claiming that RTL was/is OP is to give a valid reason/proof as to why, because it clearly isn`t.

Redscope.6215:

Wryog.5073:

Another thread about this…
The whole cooldown nerf was a complete fail. The devs lied when they said that it would count blinds/dodges/blocks as hits. I think most of us saw it coming though. Everyone already knew that when your attack gets blocked/dodged while in stealth you stay in stealth.
Fix that stupid bug and you get 2 mechanics fixed at the cost of 1.

The problem is, its not a bug. Its working as they’ve intended.

Their intentions are wrong.

They need to change.

These balance discussions are starting to sound more and more dev-biased every time they come about.

It is a bug.

When they first announced this ridiculous nerf to RTL on a live stream, they were directly asked if it would be affected by aegis, blocks etc.

Both devs looked blankly at each other, shrugged & lied saying those wouldn`t trigger the double cd.

Why on earth would you nerf/ruin Ele Vigor accessibility of which they need it so much to survive, due to extremely low hp & armour, yet leave Mesmer which can stealth, lower blink etc & guardian which gets free auto blocks & possibly in the future lower theirs?

SpehssMehreen.5897:

decent combat system? did you even play gw1? seriously? you couldnt even jump

/jump

SpehssMehreen.5897:

or dodge in that game,

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Dodge/Skill_history

SpehssMehreen.5897:

it was point click and cast like the old mmos, troll post?

You can point & click-cast, just like you can keyboard turn, click etc in gw2, that didn`t mean folks did.

Using the same weapon set twice doesn`t work.
I had a lowish warrior (I think it was, not played in ages) & had equipped two sets of same weapons as was curious if this could happen, it didn`t.

Jacks.5367:

It’s obviously OP. Just imagine we are able to equip 4 on swap sigil, 1 on-kill stack and 3 others (on crit or perma bonus)? Also if we swap on water attunement, we can change to weapon that gave healing power, earth for something that is heavy condi damage.

Invalid comment.

Sigils come with an inherent cd built into them so this would be impossible. Also they only take effect if you have those weapons in use. Once you weapon swap, you lose whatever bonus those weapons sigils gave you & gain from whatever is on the ones you swap to.
Stacked ones such as Bloodlust etc only count whilst they`re equipped & you can only have one stacking sigil taking effect at a time.
(Also they`re on about removing stacks once a weapon is put into bags, so even worse for Ele when that hits).
P.S. Any other class right now can have a main hand/off hand in first weapon set & another two in their second weapon set, all with varying sigils on each, but you don`t see the effects you listed on anyone right now do you.

Lavadiel.6231:

xiv.7136:

Some of the changes are good, but overall this is not enough and old mistakes are still in.

Some of the balancing factors in arcane are really unnecessary
Rewards for being squishy need to be appropriately strong
The option to be mobile and survivable needs to return

RTL revert needs to happen
Stunbreak on LF needs to happen

Reverting past mistakes for the sake of better balance should not be an obstacle.

as for RTL as a movement skill, I agree 40s is way to long. On the other hand RTL in 1v1 scenarios was used to get in->put skills on CD-> get out->heal->get in… and so on – just like on old intigo movies and probalby like most of us used it at some point.

Not a valid excuse on idiotnets part.
Why is it okay for every other class to still be able to do exactly that with no double in a cd for doing so, but not for the ele?
Even with the older 20 second cd, others had shorter cds.

Engie, ranger & necro podcasts & tournies etc.
Used to be an Ele one, but well….ya know….

http://www.youtube.com/user/SOACGaming/videos

Atherakhia.4086:

pupa.6534:

I am waiting to see it in effect, but to be honest, my confusion engineer is shaking in her pants ^^

Also:

“To further incentivize spending your points we will not be introducing any new ability lines during the season, nor shall we be making any other changes to WvW, with the exception of bug fixes, until the season concludes. This is to ensure that the playing field is as level as it can be at the start and the finish of the season.”

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/welcome-to-world-vs-world-season-1/"

Sorry, but this does change www, for a lot of classes.

Does that mean we are going to go 2 months without a balance patch? For crying out loud…

Is anyone really surprised?
How many months was did folk have to go without any balance changes just because ten kiddies were competing in PAX?

NERF CHICKENS!!

ImProVocateur.5189:

All the other classes have skills that close a distance gap (except engineer).

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Rocket_Boots

That & they have 900 range in P/SD or 1200-1500(?) traited rifle so even if immob`d/rooted etc you can still hit enemy players.
Combine that with pressing F1 heal for a huge AoE blast heal or drop a bomb for added blast stealths etc, Engie has it better then Ele.

HUGE difference being warcraft is heavily modable ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZlBA-jfPBk&feature=player_detailpage#t=45 )
That has anonther bar to side & top, invis` until mouse over.

You can bind to show/hide more UI any time you want to.
UI can be clicked through. Try that in gw2 on enemy target ui etc & you end up aiming in a completely different place altogether.
You can`t do any of that in gw2, which is sodding awful even compared to Guild Wars UI. Combine that with the worst camera in any mmo.
Warcraft wins completely in the UI stakes by a long shot over gw2s.

Reveille.8397:

I couldn’t help but think that this reminded me of using a spoon for a weapon. Sure, you could kill someone with a spoon, but wouldn’t a knife be easier?

Elementalists….The Ginosaji of the gw2 sandbox.

Head to Temple of Grenth.

You`ll see some npcs fighting, that use a spell similar to CE, but instead of some lame cast over time, it spikes the ground around the caster for some time.

That would be much better for a class that can`t afford to stand still.

Zelyhn.8069:

That would make them have a 47% chance to hit a human-size target, which would be completely op.

How about meteor shower is perfectly fine as it is?

Shockingly OP, a 47% chance to hit someone/thing.

Remind me, what other class has to hope for a hit, because from what I recall, every other spell is a guaranteed hit if not dodged, walked out of etc..

Teege.4623:

Probably because these forums serve as a survey for what’s wrong with the game. Just kidding. Congrats on making the jump, but I’m not sure why no actual survey popped up.

I`m guessing if someone like me has had it with this game, anet don`t want to read about kittens

You`re all forgetting the tournie that anet had, where ten kids played for $10k.
you know, the one where we had to sit in this broken meta for months awaiting for the tournie to be over, the one at PAX ;p

There was an ele player in that match.

True, he had to play on a warrior because of the idiotic whack-a-mole nerfs ele have had for months on end, but at least was an ele player there, in spirit….. ;p

Just uninstalled the game & the uninstall client that popped up had “Exit survey” on the front of it, but no sign of any survey on it.

Addition:
Went to matrix boss after the ele failed, place wouldn`t open & key has vanished.

The other huge lie, was that they`d split WvWs, PvE & spvp completely.
I`d guess they`d come up with “Oh, we kept them similar, to entice the PvErs into spvp”.

Fact is, the PvErs will have zero interest in spvp or WvWs regardless of how similar they are.

You don`t catch me entering dungeons just to have access to spells that are balanced for how they should be in WvWs, spvp etc….

So you want to accept their false advertising that there will be no support classes, play how you want?
Sure, you go ahead, but let those that didn`t buy the game for that kitten to complain as they have every right to.

btw, ele aren`t the jack of all.
Engie is, warrior can be, as can ranger etc.

Ele isn`t even close any more.

zencow.3651:

haviz.1340:

Axelifus.3269:

About as stupid as it works really, your sig alone proves it.
Then again its still more fun than playing a warrior, that class is boring as balls.

p.s. plz fix stuff anet

This could be only my opinion but warrior is more fun than lh ele.

But the thunder effects makes it feel like you’re doing more!

Pretty sure the gfx is the only reason why some people refuse to go engi for wvw and spvp when it’s the superior ele.

Reason I made & stuck with the ele is because I`m a stubborn old git, I hate having alts.
(warcraft I mained fire mage, very close to d/d ele style, had alt shadowpest & foolkin for just pottering about, barely got touched.
in Aion, mained Sorcerer, with a couple random others for duelling mate for giggles.
Even bf3 I only had one, support I think.
But in gw2 I`ve felt more forced to make alts then in any other game, ever!)

Staff is still kittene & will remain so post patch, because if someone is determined to get you, they can with ease.
Meteor shower is still rng on long cast time, to get decent damage, you`ll have to go towards gc which means one shot more often then not, waste of a character queue on reset ngihts.
Oh, except you`ll get nagged for static field so they can have aoe speed, despite it is there to save your scrawny kitten ;p
Necro excels for match reset, as does mesmer. Ranger can, I guess, rarely use mine.
We all know how kittenedly op thief & warrior are…

/rant

Anyhoe…

Oddly, I`ve an engie, lower gear then my main ele, yet it can go more towards dps then tanky because of in built blocks, stealth, stuns, interrupts etc.
Even though range is 900 (P/SD) you`re mobility is huuugely superior to an ele.
You also get just as many if not more heals then the usual ele can, & some condi cleanses at same time.

It really is amazing we don`t see more of the engies on the battlefield, but I guess that`s a good thing of sorts ;p

Oddly, my first engie got deleted because I saw how kitten the downed state was.
Then I made another & realised, you can kill things whilst downed, whereas ele downed state remains a yellow cloud of kitten

The movement bug has been reported for eons to no avail.
It happens on my ele far too often, even my engie yesterday, rocket boots, land half way down stairs, stuck & had to waste another movement spell to free myself.

So, next time this game bugs you to the spot, just waste another movement cd, should work.

btw, this can happen underwater also. Had it once, had to wp to be able to mvoe as for some reason all my spells went blank, aaaaaaand…..

There are bugs & there are bugs, & then there`s gw2 ;p

The movement bug is in a few classes & has been reported for eons to no avail.
Had it happen constantly on my ele & yesterday, my engie rushing in wvws, used rocket boots, landed half way down some stairs & ta-da, bugged.

Only way (apart from them ever fixing this) to move again after this happens, is to use another movement spell, like engie F-rocket boots spell, Ele D/D 4 etc.

P.S. Had this happen under water once, couldn`t move at all, lost all spells so had to WP aaaaaaand……..

There are bugs & there are bugs, & then there`s gw2 ;p

& yet they still let:
Engies rocket boot across gaps.
Rangers leap across gaps.
Warriors charge (or wtk that spell is called) across gaps.
Double standards in this game….

Well, it looks like you`ll all be stuck with a forced ui reminder tomorrow of dailies followed by monthlies yet again.
Seems like they`re just going to ignore this forever.
Good news, I`ve given up, the game, along with the ui is just far too much of a mess of late, but they`ll have to buck their ideas up before it is too late.

Newer games are en route with readily customisable UIs from the outset.

Hope they finally get around to fixing this ui joke for those of you that are sticking with it, good luck…

When you watch the lives stream in hope of some real fixes & they mention the new chef recipe that “is perfect for Elementalists…” available only from BLTC chests, & then realise you`re playing a pay2win class…

When you watch another live stream where they say they`re going to talk all about ele spells & how to use them, only to see some dumb dev sit there & read tooltips….

When you see loads whining that they can`t stop eles, yet they refuse to equip stuns/immobs on their bars & then rightfully predict that anet would nerf ele to cater to the care bears crowd…

When you finally see a list of changes, but they`re to conjures, which take up a slot that no elementalist in their right mind would ever consider wasting their time with….

When you spend months awaiting a balance patch so that you can return to the bgs, only to be given “fluff” patch note changes….

When you sigh with relief like I did today after TPing load of lowbie mats, sending higher mats to some I met in gw2 & Guild Wars, knowing that in a day or three it`ll get uninstalled & I`ll never have to tolerate this games joke of a balance team ever again

When you wish the remaining Eles best of luck, but knowingly doubt they`ll ever get what they deserved months ago & even as far back as beta.

Cool thanks, think it worked

I`m leaving game & giving guild to someone else for storage, how do I make them guild leader rather then just officer?

this has been going on for months, fix long over due!…..

Same goes for players using the glowing skins & going stealth.

Trying to send stuff to folk before I uninstall this mess of a game & I`m getting suppressed on the second mail.

Seriously, if gold spammers are the excuse for this it fails, because players can report them, set that to auto block them & let the players play!

Remove repairs or place a vendor in near wp.

/PTR
/common sense

Tonight, my first log in for around a week (really can`t be kitten d any more) & duelling in EB jp both enemy servers.

It got to one warrior that could virtually perma stun, over & over.
Armour of earth on its cd is next to kitten all use because they can just stun again 7-15 seconds later.
Switched CF for arcane shield but again, even two stun breaks don`t help against immobs so I`m losing out either way.

Combine that with the insane damage warriors can output because they`re not forced into using 30+ points just to survive a cold…. ;p
Also higher hp (by a hell of a lot), armour etc.

I did vaguely glance at the conjures, but they`re useless (& still we be post patch) because of the crappy mechanic of placing one down for strangers to loot before you can even use your own ;p
Ah, combined also with stunned/immob`d, you`re not going to even be able to use them & lose more important utils just for gimmicks.

As luck would have it, the game just kept crashing after an hour+ of duels.
Guess the pc heard about me uninstalling gw2 soon lol

Grr, to those duelling in EB jp, was fun, even against the extremely op warrior, but sodding game keeps crashing.

Will try again another time before the big uninstall ;p

True, harder to compare, but it also brings around the fact that others with shorter stun break cd, also have ranged/melee weapon swap, stealth, invis`, pets, clones & some even have insane heals (some instant) compared to the ele, so these things are yet another set of reasons why the cd on ele stun breaks is insane.

Mrbig.8019:

Zinwrath.2049:

Just a few in similar genre to gw2 spvp.

Everquest next is boasting ground breaking pvp, but refusing to release information so hard to say on that one. But with fully destructible environments and a GW2 style combat system allowing full customization of over 40 classes, it definitely could one-up Gw2.

Wildstar is being built around its pvp format, and thus should have an easier time balancing. Already boasts arena, battleground, and guild vs guild style pvp game modes and uses gw2 dodge and hotbar mechanics, but goes even further to add more skill shot based combat.

Smite is picking up its population (showing insane growth over the last 6 months in its open beta) and is soon to be launched next month. Features alikeness 3rd person pvp with already 7-8 game modes and adding another soon. Also has a very easy to use control mechanic with FULL skill shot combat. (does not have a dodge bar though)

“The Division” is getting some buzz as well for its hardcore pvp format….still mysterious though.

And yes there is Hearthstone, the Blizzard version of Legends of Norrath from the everquest franchise. (will no doubt be more successful as blizzard has a way of taking SOE’s ideas then making them more mainstream much like they did with WoW from Everquest). It will definitely steal some thunder from other games.

And of course the on going many major e-sport games that are planning add ons and expantion. ….league of legends, starcraft 2, counter strike, etc.

Wildstar and Smite’s combat system is terrible when compared to GW2, and this is obvious.

I’m tired to say it over and over, but the game is seriously dying.

Have you been in alpha/beta?

What was so bad about it then?

Almost a week since bothered logging gw2, Ele is still bugged….
Golem drops & matrix key can be attuned, but that is all that happens.

There`s a whole mess of devs on FSP right now, check the stream.

http://www.twitch.tv/guildwars2

I`m surprised they`re all on there, unless they just went there for this stream, in which case they are interfering with the players scores & should ban themselves ;p

An anet PvDer came to the place where folk PvP, & it expected to live?
lol, just goes to show how clueless they really are

Looking forward to seeing the footage

Easy.
The WvWers fight at their expense, to give those PvErs some more hp so they can be happy stood in the fire, extra mf so they can loot more etc.
Also all that extra loot & gold they get, means lower (lol as if) tp prices so those of us in WvWs can pay them for the super rare (as in non-existant) mats that we need to craft our time gated crap.

Complained about this crap for almost a year, not holding my breathe….

Check sig, join the war.

Because the game is going full on care bear mode.

It was part of, what little remained…, fun guessing what class you were about to run up against & the fun of getting your reactions right per class.

Next patch, npcs that do the fighting for you.

Oh wait, SR….. ;p

K U T M.4539:

Rednik.3809:

You never seen ESO and Wildstar betas from inside, right? Because… well, all i can say is that you are too optimistic about them.

It`s either me or the forums were playing up earlier.
Tried to reply to this several times earlier, kept coming up with missing text.
Ah well…

Oddly, I`m not remotely optimistic towards any mmos, courtesy of the flat out lies & mess that gw2 has contained from beta up until todays current state.

I`m just holding next to zero hope for gw2 as we`ve seen nothing done right for months on end now, even in warcrafts bad days it was never this bad, not even close /sigh

So instead of optimism, I`m left with hope, a hope that the new mmos have seen what happened to this game in such an extremely short time & over & over, that they`ll learn from anets mistakes.

Time`ll tell though

Not just ESO, but Wild Star also.

Every time I`ve listened/watched something they`ve released, it is almost as if they`re having a dig at gw2 & then some.

Fully customisable ui (which considering how great Guild Wars ui was, gw2 is a an embarrassing joke.
Completely modable with mods already being created before game is even released.
From the sound of things the pvp is going to be good too, something which anet advertised/promised & has failed to fully accomplish by a long shot.
Arenas, with spectators that not only get to watch, they can join in in some form (someone stealths too long & doesn`t fight, viewers get to throw rotten veggies to kick them out of stsealth haha).
World pvp. /cheers
NPCs/bosses are able to be used/tamed or wtk they called it to help defend your areas in open world pvp.
Housing, farmable plots etc for those farmville fans.
Raids (heard this is some sort of large dungeon, I don`t pve ;p ).
& much more.

With ESO, Wild Star & a few others very close on the horizon, anet have to really get their kitten into gear or they`ll wipe on this boss.

Or for fear of it not existing?

Good luck if it works, but staff is kittene, everybody & their dog knows it.

Post footage instead.

style.6173:

Nuka Cola.8520:

They were used to being unstoppable bunkers with f-load of damage so when that was toned down they all came here to cry a river and still are.

This ^^

roflkek.

They weren`t unstoppable, it was just the idiots running up against them never had the common sense to equip stuns, immobs etc.

As for the *"bunkers with f-load of damage bunkers with f-load of damage "

What game were you playing, in gw2 ele could never go tank & do “f-load of damage” & even if an ele goes GC, that damage you`re claiming is a one trick pony & most of it easily dodgeable & is still lower then some other classes can do.