Guild Wars 2

Man, I should start selling aluminum foil up in here. I could make a killing off of BG right now.

pot.6805:

SoR clearly still has the best EU coverage by a mile.

SoR really only has 10 people during EU time. The rest are just scarecrows and shadow puppets.

So, is RG staying on JQ or is this just a 1-2 week visit?

Well last week BG’s fair-weather players came out to play and it is my understanding they had some pretty big and nasty zergs running around. I wonder if they will stick around now that the bully (SoR) is back in the playground. I do hope they do stick around.

Honestly this is the problem. Fresh faces or simi-balanced matches. While I am happy to see fresh faces this week. I honestly cannot say this is going to be a fun week for me. I take no pleasure in lopsided battles like this. Though I am sure TC and SoS look forward to the challenge we all know that coverage = king. And while they have skilled players and guilds their scores at the end of the week will not give them due credit IMO.

I know some people are hoping this urges the T1 servers to become less stacked. And I agree there is a huge coverage difference between T1 and T2 I have to say I wish more servers were like T1. Being able to log in at any time of the day and go into WvW and have action is a great thing for this game and I honestly wish every server was able to have that.

Aieo.2815:

Did SoR changed their gameplay back when SoS was still in T1? I remember they were passive and keeping their own corners and not really playing for ppt.

In a manner of speaking, yes we did change our gameplay. We have to be very aggressive now in order to get any fights at all. Most of the time if we sit in our corner and do nothing no one comes to us. There is no action no fights. When we first came to t1 JQ and SoS were more than happy to come a knocking at our door, or in a field of battle. Now more than anything we are spotted and the enemy zerg runs into their tower or keep 90% of the time. So, in return we have begun to just bulldoze everything in our path to make sure we get our fights/loot bags every night. I wish it was different I really do. But I honestly think that the fact that SoR BL is red 90% of the time a day after reset is an indicator that JQ and BG would rather not fight us. It is true however they are more than willing to send 10 omegas into SoR BL every so often to catch us off guard, which works 50% of the time. (mostly because finding scouts who want to sit and watch a gate for hours at a time with little prospect of it ever being hit is difficult) Most of the time SoR BL= Karma train of camp and sentry post with an odd tower thrown in from time to time.

I miss the good old days where no matter what BL you were in that night there was good fighting to be had. While I don’t think any t2 server would have the coverage to win in t1 I would like to give them all a chance, you never know it might be surprising. At the very least it would be a change of faces and hopefully some renewed action.

oxide.8324:

When people say things like this

GvG’s are the ultimate test of skill in my opinion.

it really makes me laugh. There is very little skill involved in GvG and WvW. As fights become larger in scale, skill becomes less important and coordination becomes more important, simply because the impact that a single player has on a fight becomes less significant. Following a really good commander in a pack, like a herd of sheep, doing what he says, when he says, and winning fights as a result doesn’t mean you’re skilled, it means you’re coordinated.

I don’t know I think you are wrong here. 1 person can make a huge impact on the outcome of a large battle. A key stun, water field, banner, or even fear can be the difference between a win or a loss. Hell even a quick stomp can change the outcome of a battle if it means a rally for several downed allies. Player skill has a huge impact on the field of battle. A commander can ask for things, but it is up to the people following him to know how, when and where to place for maximum impact.

They are going to have to jam them a lot longer than 10 minutes if they want it to really work. Since the match is won over the week, not in the first 10 minutes.

I want a recount… clearly Florida screwed something up again.

JQ and BG have more than enough population during NA prime time to fill all 4 BLs. It is up to you guys to find the leadership and motivation for those people. But instead everyone always looks for the easy way out and recruits more guilds. What are you guys going to do when the match-ups start changing and your fair-weathered players come back and fill your ques back up again? It is going to be hard to find guilds that want to transfer to your server when there are hour long ques.

You know… I think they should turn the rating system off for a week ( or however long it takes them to fix this issue) and then let the system do a random shuffle anyway. See what happens and see how the match ups go.

Lots of bugs in this patch. Clearly Anet didn’t shift left far enough out of the error spam fields.

Hmm you want the truth or a pat on the back?

Truth:
Eh, 20 well coordinated guild members + 10 pugs + ACs VS a 40man (sorry that doesnt look like 60 to me)under coordinated zerg ball. Not exactly spectacular in my eyes.

Pat on the back: Good tight group play, good buff/ambush tatics, good eye for picking the weak spot in a zergball.

Christos de Soufre.3802:

This may seem strange, but I’m looking for a Guardian with Twilight from either SoR or JQ. There may be gold and YouTube involved. Please contact at your earliest convenience.

Also, score update!

Why do I get the feeling there will also be a Sunrise involved, a lot of poorly timed light saber sounds, and extremely poor voice acting done by a man in a mask claiming to be someones father? Or is it father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate?

At first people fought. But then things started to get flipped and soon everything was paper. Then no one bothered fighting anymore and everyone just ran the karma train flipping things and leaving them. It was pretty boring to be honest.

So since defending is pretty much impossible at this point whos up for starting the T1 karma train. JQ capps garri, BG Capps hills SoR caps Bay, and we just rotate clockwise.

EDIT:

OH OH or I know lets get 3 25-30 man zergs all in golems and have a golem war at south camp.

Any Anet tags able to give us a rough ETA on a fix for this? it is starting to become stupid in WvW. You just can’t defend against a mega zerg with 10 golems fast enough to stop them from blowing through the gates. And now that everything is turning paper its like a karma train we all just go around in a circle capping everything behind the other zerg and they cap everything behind us.

I think its a trap, SoR is really trying to lure you guys into fighting us by bringing the score closer…. but SHHH you didn’t hear it from me.

A little advice for JQ and BG.

Kryyg.8576:

Well I think this is a first, a server asking to be double teamed.

Be careful what you wish for.

That is because most people only care about winning, we only care about the fights and right now there are no fights.

SoR’s ts is I believe 2nd in the US and in the top 5 for world wide in terms of users and activity. As such it attracts a lot of trolls and DDOSers. (Both from the servers we fight and from people who have nothing to do with GW2) Sometimes the commanders let the trolls stick around (especially if they are funny and give us a good laugh) however most of the time its a quick kick in the nuts and out the door they go. It sounds to me like you were the victim of a quick kick to the nuts. I think in future it would be better for you to prearrange who you are meeting and meet them in their guild channel.

Well after 2 weeks of no real fighting going on reset night was very refreshing, so refreshing in fact a lot of people were excited about staying up tonight to get more action…. but alas I think we broke our toys from playing with them too hard. SoR needs to learn to be more gentile.

Lots of talk about SoR getting 2v1’d. Maybe we are, maybe we are not being 2v1’d. Likewise if we are getting 2v1 maybe its deliberate maybe its not. I really don’t care. I do however like the showing of BG and JQ thus far. And even if it means we take 2nd or 3rd this week I would rather have this than the past two weeks. Last night on SoR BL it was great we were all over the map and I had to empty my bags so much and I couldn’t even pick up half of my loot because we were having to jump to the other side of the map to respond so much. Non stop action I love it! Best thing about being in your home BL. It is the one place where you are suppose to be getting 2v1 and I loved it last night. I look forward to the rest of the week if you guys are going to keep this up.

I just have to say since this will probably be our last meeting with all 3 of our servers. It has been an hon- who am I kidding. BRING ON THE PAIN! I hope everyone brings their A game this week so we can have one last good matchup.

Balance Vs a changing of the faces. Hmm, well I for one would love to see new faces every week, or every other week. But the problem is I honestly don’t think that this new system is going to be very fun for anyone. It is not going to be fun for the T1 servers that get placed with T2 an T3 servers that simply do not have the coverage and/or population to be competitive. And it sure as hell is not going to be fun for those t2 and t3 servers that get stomped into the ground every night.

I think if this system is put into place the playing time should be cut down to 1/2 a week. I don’t think too many people are really going to go into wvw for the last half of the WvW week if its 150k vs 25k vs 12k after a few days. And you mock my words that is exactly what you are going to get if you break up t1 and throw them into 3 different tiers.

Yeah I was mistaken in thinking RK was on JQ for some reason and I corrected my post but clearly not in time. In any case HB (while no where near the force it once was) + RK is clearly able to field 30-40 even without Merc/WM.

As for my comments on the servers being balanced I believe JQ could do with a EU guild. But for the most part the only thing that makes our tier unbalanced at this point is not population, it is leadership and coordination. JQ and BG really don’t need to recruit any NA guilds they simply need leaders to lead the population they already have. All of our servers are more than able to fill every map during NA prime time.

Much is the same in every other timezone. They are all competitive.

As for your Oceanics/Asianics logging into fight t3 structures, its not really the same thing. In NA you are fighting full queued maps (or at least close to) everywhere. You can’t simply jump maps and hit a softer target, or try to pull an enemy force to another map so you can take something in another map. There is no multi map chess match that the other timezones have. The closest we come to a chess match is trying to draw people across the map and then quickly port and hit something, or try and hit multiple targets at once. Other than that its all about brute force or getting lucky on a ninja.

Funny… Wasn’t it just a few weeks a go Merc and WM were playing during EU time to take advantage of the lack of EU coverage in T1 NA? Iron comes to SoR and gives them competition and now SoR is stacked and is breaking t1. I am sorry BG, you now have to put in effort for your PPT and it is not just handed to you on a silver platter by the PvD gods.

As for the rest of you complaining about SoR’s NA coverage. I can’t help but laugh. Tell me something. How does it feel to have paper walls and gates while everything we have is t3? That is what we have had to deal with every single day. And you know what. I am eager to see how you respond to it. Will you learn and get better? Or will you take the easy route and just mass recruit and throw the coverage population off yet again. Time will tell. But I for one think that for once T1 is fairly balanced. Iron fields around 30-40 people + rallians as I understand it. Merc/WM easily have 30-40 + pugs. JQ might have a bit of a weak point in EU. But honestly that sounds fairly balanced to me. Everything else is the same it was 2-3 weeks ago when BG was in 1st.

phabby.8945:

JQ Aiming at putting Sor back in there place? SOme of their forum trolls shouldn’t poke the sleeping giant

I hope JQ is going to put up a fight, and I hope BG is going to too. No one on SoR wants an easy win. We want a competitive tier.

I am looking forward to next weeks match. There were a few days this week where BG and JQ just didn’t seem to show up for one reason or another. SoR took full advantage of the MIA coverage this week. However I think that our tier might actually be the most balanced it has been ever and that any of our servers has the ability to take 1st.

I would like a few words with those saying IRON carried SoR.

IRON did not carry SoR. No, they strapped us to a rocket and blasted us into first. It was horrific! They come here saying they just want to sell us girl scout cookies and wham-bam-thank-you-ma’am the next thing we know we wake up strapped to this rocket flying at mach 3 about to land in god knows where, surrounded by god knows what, armed with nothing but a toothpick and a banana.

Yep, it was that cool honestly.

And yeah…. I have 27 unconfirmed kills with my toothpick.

You know… we are going to log back in and BG is going to be ticking at +600 PPT, and then the servers are going to shut down really fast again after it and not come back up until reset tomorrow.

They paid the admins off with in game gold.

Lead, you need a merchant… Just sayin.

I have to say I am very disappointed with BG and JQ. Week after week in T1 and T2 SoR has come in 2nd and 3rd. Yet week after week we kept showing up and we kept fighting till the end. (maybe not fri but no one really takes fri before reset seriously anyway) But SoR gets 1 guild to balance out our coverage, and counter BG’s Asian force changing their time to EU and everything dies. I thought this week was going to be very competitive. But what happened? BG and JQ just stopped showing up. You guys aren’t even trying. We were pretty much PVDooring during NA prime time yesterday. The only exception was the SF zerg that showed up for an hour or two.

Now I am hearing BG is offering gold to a few EU and maybe NA guilds to come over to their server because they think we are stupid stacked. Honestly if you guys were to actually try and push I think the score would be much closer this week.

I don’t even know what to say to JQ. I honestly don’t.

Gerby.6219:

I dont think RISE is having that much fun with TW.

Well you know what they say about letting sleeping dogs (errr wolves?) lie.

I do hope RISE is at least learning from these wipes because in some cases they out numbered TW 2:1 and are still getting blown out of the water. Closing on almost 600 badges tonight mostly from them. And it is getting rather boring following them map to map as they try to run from us.

Had some good fights with JQ in EB while we were there. I have to say EB is not really my map of choice but after this AC buff the map is kind of growing on me a bit. There seems to be more people actually running around in it as opposed to hiding in their keep with 10+ ACs on every gate and defensive trebs everywhere.

Forum troll 12 o’clock! Shift left! SHIFT LEFT! GET OUT OF THE AOE! No no no…. Res the guild chest thumpers that are downed!! Ahh…. Another forum post wiped by the troll zerg….

Yeah ACs are way over the top now.

SoR is mad. You all just don’t understand why… We don’t care that you flipped it. We don’t care that you have high PPT. We are mad because we were not there to farm your bags.

Well your corner in EB = +75 ppt. If you can hold your whole home BL = +145 ppt. Chances are you will be able to hold your top 2 towers and keep. which is 45 ppt, then another 15 for the 3 northern camps which is a total of 60ppt. Then you can treb bay from your home keep which means you should be able to hold bay most of the time. which is another 25 points. So that’s +85 ppt that should be fairly easy to hold. Not counting any 5man havoc teams you could be running to flip the bottom 3 camps.

So you see why your home BL “can” be better to hold. Holding SM in EB would bring your PPT up to 110 but then you are more than likely going to get double teamed which will cause you to lose your camps and probably your center towers off and on.

Also EB upgrades insanely fast. Which means if everything does get flipped it is a fairly fast rebuild. Yaks are much more likely to get stopped on your home BL than on EB.

Well, I would first like to point out that WM has been out of T1 for what 2-3 months now? And really their tactics have not evolved much (IMO they are still using tactics that are 2-3 months old). I can only assume this is because they have not really had much of a challenge in the lower tiers. It has mostly been zergs of the masses they have been facing not organized forces. (just my guess, I am not trying to say t2 = baddies, or any other tier for that matter) It is just that in t1 there is a higher organized population level and because of that tactics evolve faster. So give them some time and they will adjust (or at least they should).

I however am shocked by the numbers WM has. When everyone talked about them before I had the impression the were the size of FoO. Maybe I was just misinformed. But I only see about 20-25 of them running around. Maybe I have bad timing and have not seen them in force yet? Or have they not all transfered yet?

Pvp.2758:

BG bought a revive orb.

LOL

yungwizud.1827:

whats stopping the opposite side from waiting a while until theyve all left and purging the keep quickly or during off peak? the extra points would be too much of a reward for not directly fighting! this would just encourage zerging and discourage direct confrontations more than they already are (see planetside 2)

i dont think your second idea is a very good idea.

Everything generally gets purged by the stronger off peak server anyway. However, a server flipping everything back could keep the higher populated server’s PPT lower unless that server decides to defend their objectives. In short a server would not simply be able to go into a map turn it all their color and enjoy a free +145 PPT per map.

If it takes 2 hours for full PPT value this would actually buy those servers who have little to no off peak populations valuable time. As for the value of points gained for capturing a asset these are just rough numbers they could be adjusted and balanced; however, think about this. During peak hours towers and in some cases keeps are constantly changing hands. Which would lower their overall value a bit to servers who have an off peak population advantage. But if you flip everything to one color and then it sits there for 2 hours and then the other server takes it back.. they are in fact gaining more points.

I honestly think this system could help put an end to the coverage = winner status that we have right now.

As for this encouraging more zergs. Well in my tier that is all there really is anyway. I am thinking this might actually break up the zergs a bit more if suddenly losing a tower is more than just +10 ppt, which you can be recaptured sometimes before the tick. If a tower is suddenly worth 100 points that tower becomes important which means you are going to see more people spread out I think. (or at least I would hope)

I am pretty sure A-Net would have to work out a deal with Pizza hut and/or Domino’s (or any other major pizza chain for that matter) in order for this to work. I bet A-net could get a nice advertising fee for it though. It would be a good way to add extra coin to their pockets. I know on my server WvW reset night = unofficial pizza night. I am willing to bet if it was in the game people would use it.

Even with a target over my head it’s still easy to get lost in zerg vs zerg combat. I will agree though the ghost transform would work. Though I do lose my asura looks which kind of sucks. But it is a good band-aid fix for now.

My friend recently saw a post I made a week or so ago and suggested to me that I should post it here to make sure it was noticed by the devs so I am kind of forwarding that along as well as another request I have.

My request is simple and to the point so I will start with that. I am an Asura guardian commander. Any chance I can get some platform shoes? Ok, all jokes aside. I am an average commander nothing too special. When I lead I do alright and usually get the job done. But when I lead the biggest problem people tell me I have is that they can’t see me. Which makes following me very difficult. Now when I made my character long ago, I had no idea I would love WvW so much and that I would one day want to command. The thought never popped into my head to maybe consider a taller character. So I am wondering if there would be anyway to maybe put a potion or buff in the game that I could use to make myself just a bit easier to see.

Ok, now for my second thing. I have an idea for the scoring system in WvW. (mostly just cut and pasted from my other post)

Right now everything has a fixed value (other than killing yaks). What if they were not. What if they ramped up over time. But also, you add in a bonus for capturing something which also ramps up over time.

So what this would mean is lets just say that Green just took their garrison. Well that garrison is now only worth +2ppt, and after the next tick it will be worth +4ppt. And then after a bunch of ticks it caps out at its current +25PPT. But what is also happening is there is a second mechanic adding up. This would be the value that this keep would be worth if another team was to take it from green. So lets just say that its worth +10 if you take it before the next tick. And then maybe +15 after that. Finally capping out at like +200 or +300 something like that.

So what would happen is that the longer an enemy would have a tower or keep the more rewarding it would be for them to hold it and for someone else to try and take it from them. I think this would encourage people to go after high value targets while trying to hold onto their own.

Most servers take it easy on early Friday. (reset day) Get some friends together or make it a server event. Build superior rams (recipe can be found Here) Hit a few supply camps and then hit the objectives you need in force. More than likely the resistance will be pretty low.

Also I have noticed that a lot of servers take Fri, and pretty much turn it into a karma train day constantly flipping towers and keeps in order to farm WvW xp since no one really defends you could try finding a group like this.

Oresh.4729:

blackgate is reborn, impressive! i hope it’s not because of some lame 2v1 agreement with sor…

I’ve got my money on P.E.D.s

Just sayin…..

Tyaen.5148:

People still don’t understand the ranking system.

He has also clearly been on JQ too long to understand the huge coverage jump that is T2 to T1. In our current bloated T1 if any server from T1 was to somehow get dropped down into t2, they would blow t2 out of the water and be back in t1 the next week.

The only way a T1 server would get dropped out of T1 for good would be if they imploded.

That was a lot of fun. I look forward to next week. Early in the morning (for us NAers that is) it was some epic battles. Some of them even going for a good 5-10 minutes. That’s something that is fairly rare during our NA prime time now.

TW and Fear had to start splitting into two groups to counter the massive lag that we were facing on the impact of two BL size zergs. It sounds like the guys over in Foo had a lot of fun and are looking to try some new tactics on us next week so it should be lots of fun next week.

I know I am a bit late… But that picture of EMP, and all the zergball talk has just reminded me of something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g23GiivXC78

SoR and BG together? Yeah, that’ll happen.

SoR has not and will never set up any form of an alliance, even if you don’t want to call it that. Let alone with a server we have so much bad blood with. If that means that JQ takes first every week then so be it. Winning means nothing. We all know that coverage is king. Why should we care then if they win? It just means they have better coverage.

If we were to team up would be any better than them? They win because of coverage but we win because we 2 v 1? LoL no thanks. I would rather kill everything in sight and call it a win.