Guild Wars 2

Look at all the bites this guy got with a single sentence.

Report the thread and move on.

Lecter.7486:

Well it could be to offset the fact that you don’t appear on ones screen when you come out of invis turning your “3” secs in between disappearing into 1 lol. I really don’t know about what your asking but it is irritating getting killed by an invisible target so no one feels bad for you.

First, QQ moar. He is talking about PvE targets, not your sorry kitten

Second, no one wants to hear you cry over a thief crushing you in WvWvW.

OP, the stealth mechanic has changed a bit. Instead of aggro dropping completely, it essentially pauses aggro so the mob doesn’t reset. So when you come back out of stealth, the mob is still going to go for you. This is my understanding on why they changed it because enemies were resetting. Undoubtedly for boss fights, it’s rather irritating if you drop SR on your group and the boss resets.

Some people like the change (I do) and others do not. There are some other threads floating around this forum discussing the matter.

As for the mobs still hitting you in stealth, were they using a channeled ability? Channels go right through our stealth like a laser guided missile. I’ve had a few times were I thought a mob shouldn’t be able to hit me but did anyways. It’s been acting strange lately.

Oldgrimm.8521:

because most of the playerbase are not english native speakers

or do not know how to use plural forms of nouns

like the plural of knife = knives
half = halve

thief = thieves

/thread

It annoys the hell out of me too, but this is the internet. Expect it.

Well personally I think there is a bug with Stealth now. In a good way too.

I have found that around half the time I stealth and if there are other players around, the mob just stands there taking hits waiting for me to unstealth. Now if I’m clever I can stay in stealth nearly forever with my SA traits.

Frankly we have been abusing this quite a bit. Haven’t bothered with any bosses, but champions and below are easy targets that are affected by this.

Well I’ve grown very tired of just using D/D, being a one hit wonder when it comes to PvP/PvE (either I blow up or my opponent does) and then I came across a Thief using D/P.

That got me thinking. I could still keep my BS but I could last a lot longer between stealth and the constant blinds.

Anyone out there that enjoys the D/P build and how would you compare the playstyle to the D/D layout?

I worry that I would have to give up my Acrobatics traits in exchange for Shadow Arts losing some Vitality (we have kitten poor Vit as is).

My main goal would be to pick up Hidden Killer in CS for the BS’s and maybe up to Exposed Weakness in the DA line. I think I would be alright stopping at Dagger Training although. As for the rest, I’ve kicked around the idea of either building my other utility skills to compliment Signets and Might gain on use (to pick up some more burst on BS) or to revolve around my Deception skills with a 20% cooldown reduction.

Looking at a 20/30/20/0/0 build right now.

What are your guys thoughts on the D/P build and would you recommend it over D/D for less burst but more pressure playstyle?

xerca.6135:

Yep. Said on his Twitter a while ago that the music he had done now for GW2 was the last he would do for Guild Wars. Can’t remember the reason, though.

Well he has been doing some music for the new WoW expansion.

What just blew my mind is that he is from Keokuk, Iowa. I live 10 minutes down the road.

You do know that Anet carried over their diminishing returns to farming the same area like they did in GW1 right?

Dagins.5163:

My main class is the hardest, yours is the easiest, and the rest are medium.

It can also go this way: my main class is the hardest, and the class which keeps destroying me is the easiest.

And thus with said text, this thread can end.

All this thread is going to do is piss people off and get into arguments defending their classes. I digress.

We can use Backstab twice (due to the cast time) with perfect timing coming out of stealth. It’s rather hard to land a .5 second cast with latency, let alone WvW so I’d say you were just unlucky.

It doesn’t happen very often, I’ve been practicing on PvE mobs lately trying to get the timing down.

I would definitely recommend GW2. It’s a great $60 game that has no other fees attached to it.

The entitlement of children nowadays. The sky is not falling.

You want to know why no one is in Orr?

Probably because it’s one of the worst spots to level or even to get equipment. High density, very strong monsters over there.

Most high level players are in 60-75 zones or in LA. No reason to deal with the headache that is “Orr”.

An excellent example is a Short Bow Thief.

Infiltrators Arrow is a direct ability. Wherever it lands, we teleport to.

Cluster Bomb is an indirect ability. The ability arcs, so we can hit objects behind something.

But like you said; abilities, even of similar nature, act differently across professions. Maybe it’s another bug that can be added to the already “lengthy” list.

I run D/P for dungeon runs with my buddies. Black Powder Shot is probably the most awesome skill to use against PvE enemies for support.

A while back when I first started out in dungeons, I remember the Warrior in the group stop and asked if he was being healed because he wasn’t taking any damage. The Elementalist said he wasn’t at all. Nor was anyone else traited for support.

I just replied with " ".

I run a unique build, it satisfies me. 20/30/20/0/0 With the intention that Hidden Killer will be my biggest damage unleashed with guaranteed crits from constant stealthed Backstabs.

For me this just started maybe a few weeks ago. But I can’t play GW2 for more then an hour, my frames start dropping, audio chops and then I have to restart.

I personally think it’s a memory leak. I have tested two different GPU’s (ATI 7870, Nvidia 560 TI) with my main GTX 680. Tried all different variants of drivers. Nothing. Still get memory leaks progressively in the game. Even went a step further and borrowed my cousins 1200W PSU, thinking my 850W was failing (even though it passed testing). Still nothing.

What I have noticed is that my GPU power and usage drop to near 0%. Again no other game has this problem, just GW2.

I’d love to play your game Anet, but I can’t. Not like this.

What’s happening to mine is about an hour of gameplay my FPS drops to slideshow quality.

What I’ve noticed is that my GPU usage and power drop to near 0%. No other game have I head this happen with. I have to shut down my entire system or it gets locked up. I have rolled back my drivers at least three revisions. Still no dice.

I’ve tested this with two other GPU’s I have laying around (ATI 7870, Nvidia 560) and two other power supplies (600W, 850W) so I know it’s not just my components failing.

Seems like the last few patches broke something and now it has some memory leaks.

Pretty much can’t play GW2 until this is fixed.

revcasy.3824:

“There is also no way they can go stealth by using heartseeker four to five times.”

Actually there is a way to go stealth using heartseeker. With dagger/pistol use blackpowder (smoke field) + heartseeker (leap finisher) + quick about face + 2xheartseeker. Repeat as initiative allows.

You have to turn off autotargeting to be sure that heartseeker doesn’t hit anything.

Viola, near perma-stealth with the right traits.

You will cap at 12 seconds. Hardly gamebreaking, let alone during that time thieves can’t do anything since they wasted all of their initiative on being stealthed. Same thing with CnD chaining.

I swear I will leave this game not because of Anet, mechanics or gear tiers, but because of this community.

Tulisin.6945:

GlockworK.2954:

The fact is, Dancing Dagger was meant for a multi-target cripple. Not your main source of damage.

If this is the intent the situation remains unchanged, Dancing Dagger is as bad at that role as it is at damage now.

Dancing Dagger still cripples for 5 seconds.

Dancing Dagger still can hit up to 4 targets.

Dancing Dagger still is a projectile finisher and has a range of 900.

Your just angry because you can’t light up multiple targets for a lot of damage.

On that note, I would have rather Anet left the damage alone but reduced the next bounce by 25%. Example:

4k > 3k > 2.25k > ~1.7K

This would at least left the high damage for a single target but couldn’t be abused when bouncing between two players (or Ranger’s and their pets).

Ichishi.9613:

Do you know how much damage warrior’s counterparts of this do?

Different classes are different.

We don’t need to start homogenizing skills across different professions. It would be boring as hell.

The fact is, Dancing Dagger was meant for a multi-target cripple. Not your main source of damage.

Turtlemilk.1064:

It probably has something to do with the fact that players will scream for 1v1 balance. Like, the Death Blossom Thief build where you bleed -> stealth -> repeat is basically one of the ultimate 1v1 builds.

Well Thief/Rogue/Assassin MMO classes are generally strongest when it comes to 1v1. I agree there.

Main reason I want dueling: So I can better myself when engaging with certain classes. Practice makes perfect. Most people won’t understand what’s going on in a huge WvWvW battle or even in sPvP it can get chaotic and it’s hard to figure out what happened.

Duels let us test abilities against certain targets, learning what is good/bad and bettering ourselves against other players.

I hope Dueling gets some traction.

Searingarrow.4637:

GlockworK.2954:

I think Anet said a while back that they would look into it, but no promises. See if I can find that post/article.

“But no promises” Absolutely ridiculous. “Oh hey, we’re not going to add something that has no negative effects that would make the game more fun and enjoyable for a lot of players.”

Their explanation was how they didn’t want players to assume the game was balanced around 1v1 but around groups. Doesn’t satisfy me. Hopefully we’ll get it soon.

I think Anet said a while back that they would look into it, but no promises. See if I can find that post/article.

Edit: Here we go.

Eric Flannum

“Dueling is not a core system for us, given that we balance all of our PvP combat around groups of players fighting and not one-on-one engagements. Because of this, dueling is on our wish list of things to add, but is unlikely to make it into the game on release.”

“As far as dueling goes, it’s a thing that we would like to put in… whenever we do a feature, we really want to do it right, we don’t just want to do quick version of it, so right now, duels is something that we would like to do, but we’re not entirely certain if we’ll be able to get it in for launch. However, it will probably make its way in at some point.”

For reference.

http://www.mygw2.com/esclusive-interview-with-eric-flannum-and-jon-peters.html

Ryan.6951:

So either Arenanet was:

-totally and completely inept and incompetent in their design.
-lying to maximize sales right from the beginning.
-bullied by corporate bottom lines into abandoning their morals.

I can’t figure out which answer is the worst possibility.

I know it bothered me when I saw the company “NCSoft” attached to the game. The king of Korean MMO’s. Really made me hesitate buying GW2 in the beginning.

Caedmon.6798:

Is it possible to give a certain boss his own song ? I would really like to fight Jormag while Howl of the Departed is playing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vbsI9xFuo8 but don’t want to hear it at every boss battle… And would love to give the map its own music aswell http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_ncZLzfVAU.

I’m pretty sure it’s a global file. i.e. “Boss”, “Battle”, etc.

So I don’t think you can give individual songs for every boss. I think I heard that you can put a few songs in it and it would randomly cycle through them. Not 100% sure on that though.

Toxica.6749:

Lotro did its own version of infusions called ‘radiance’. Six months after introducing it they had a situation where no one new could get their radiance gear because everyone who had any would insist you had a minimum of x% to join their group. The community became one of ‘haves’ and ‘have nots’ where only the former group could do the endgame content.

IIRC, didn’t they eventually get rid of Radiance? Only took them a few years to figure it out though. Which is exactly what you stated. The “haves” and “have nots”. It crippled the in-game community and in turn hurt the game in general.

I’ll be picking up Blinding Powder with the changes. A 60 second cooldown made it feel rather lackluster against Shadow Refuge.

I’ve always looked at Blinding Powder as an “Oh kitten!” button. Now a 32 second cooldown traited.

Flayfirst.4735:

Is there a SPVP or Pvp forum? I think all those issues should be there instead of in the general, you may be confusing people.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp

Defektive.7283:

ryston.7640:

Uhm, so the duration of the combo field would need to be kept to a very short timer right after placement, on an appropriately long cool down.

Aside from this I think it sounds fine.

I think the duration would last 10 seconds, and then if you pick up the flag and put it back down you can get the combo field back again.

Try 5 seconds and has an internal cooldown of 10 seconds.

samo.1054:

Pray.9751:

i didn’t read anything about stealth rendering? so i guess that is still in the game besides promises otherwise

As far as I heard, people say it’s fixed.

Eh… I’m still backstabbing fools in PvP while they are just standing there or running around freaking out because they can’t see me.

I honestly don’t think it’s been completely fixed. If only we had duels so that we could test these things out more reliably.

@Vaulken

I was literally typing up, “So how do you feel about the TERA combat system?”

But you just answered.

I to enjoy a more “target-free” system myself. Guild Wars 2 got pretty close, but most abilities still have laser guided heat-seeking missles mounted to them.

It was something they were going to look into. They didn’t promise anything.

I for one would love to have duels.

Ichishi.9613:

New series of tests before sleep:
Tactical strike daze duration in pvp is not increased at all by anything.
CnD nerf in pvp really only prevents glass cannon from dieing before backstab.

And leeching venoms scaling is like… Not noticable between 2k and 3.8k power. If it works at all. Healing not affected for sure.

I do not understand why anet IGNORES issues. And comes up with most ridiculous things. Illusion of effort?

Haha. That line right there made my night. I think I’ll be able to sleep soundly tonight.

Arthrone.7964:

So now it’s only bs build and condition builds that’s left. Sad really.

Agreed completely.

I was rather looking forward to maybe running a P/P or SB. Guess I’ll be sticking with my BS build a little while longer.

Vaderlander.1094:

LOL.. guys be reallistic. Thieves were doing way to much damage in PVP. and you know it. There was no class the thief couldn’t handle. Burst was way to high and you know it.

You really think Anet nerfed BS Thieves?!

Your in for a rude awakening. They didn’t touch our spike damage at all. (outside of a small damage reduction to CnD, which didn’t hit hard to begin with)

[Edit]

OT: The nerfs really weren’t all that bad.

The Dancing Dagger reduction is a bit much, but it should be more useful to control our enemy then a main source of long range damage.

I really have no idea what to say on the Cluster Bomb nerf. Just confused…

.5 second reduction isn’t a huge deal, but a nerf nonetheless.

Cloak and Dagger wasn’t a big source of damage to begin with. We only used it for the stealth anyways.

Overall, I think Anet missed. And missed rather poorly on whats wrong with our class and other classes.

[Edit by Moderator, removed a quote of removed posting]

garethh.3518:

GlockworK.2954:

Quick fix:

You can’t cast Steal when channeling an ability.

Done.

What other first tier trait do you know that does up to 6k dmg?
Most are typically 5% situational dmg buffs, this is a 33%+ bonus to a spike.

When did I ever mention Mug?

The problem is the Mug > CnD > Backstab combo that opens the QQ floodgates. People are complaining that they can’t react to that combo. Delaying CnD after a Steal is really the only way to fix this.

Stay on point good sir.

Quick fix:

You can’t cast Steal when channeling an ability.

Done.

Alekto.8297:

Enough Tournaments, come on! Like 80 % of the PvP community do not join tourneys at all (or very VERY casualy). You got the qualifying points already, finally something for the “rest” (the majority) of the community

/Btw, im a lil disappointed by this new map… one more cap based one… Can we get a Capture The Flag, or VIP like event ? Or bigger event like 15 vs 15?
Ok At least, this is something new, but i hope u will change more than that… the sPvT need changes, really

Well since we’re brewing up ideas about different map objectives.

King of the Hill (objective location changes after point capture)

Caravan (think one team protects a caravan and the other attacks, switches teams after round, like your VIP)

Bigger events would be fun. Hopefully that void might be filled with GvG 10, 15 or 20 man teams. Who knows when that will get here though.

I’m not sure where people are getting “Thieves are going to get a nerf” at. All the Anet rep said was that they were looking into raw damage spikes. That most likely means all classes that have an “alpha strike” will see a damage reduction, not just thieves in general.

The culling issue needs to be fixed. I can agree with that. The way I see it, is that Anet is looking to remove the <5 second fights by lowering damage spikes or, IMO, giving toughness a buff. Right now it doesn’t feel like toughness does much of anything.

PvE, Dungeons and S/TPvP = ~120 FPS

WvWvW = ~30 FPS

Enough said.

With an i7 cranked up to 4.4Ghz (water) and a GTX 680, something isn’t right.

For once I’d like to see a game where if I tab-target it will actually select the first person I’m looking at.

Is it so hard to code something that starts at 0 degrees and scans to 90 degrees on either side? Priority targets start at 0 degrees.

I don’t lose my cursor though, then again I hold both mouse buttons or just hold Rclick.

Begur.3205:

NightyNight.1823:

Every proffesion has great mobility but you don’t want to use it. Name one proffesion that has no mobility options.

Name great mobility options for guardian please.

First off, Guardians aren’t designed for mobility. Most of their abilities are designed to immobilize their opponents or prevent them from escaping.

Second and more to your question:

Leap of Faith
Flashing Blade
Judge’s Intervention
Merciful Intervention

These are all mobility options that Guardians have. The last two can be picked up by way of utility slots. But again, Guardians are designed to immobilize, knockdown or prevent enemies from escaping.

Apples and oranges.

3 seconds of stealth is game breaking now?

We can stack up to 10 seconds but that also requires using a) Shadow Refuge (60 second cooldown) or b) Using CnD on a mob then following up with Hide in Shadows (which blows our 30 second cooldown heal).

And it’s only the #1 QQ on the forums because you aren’t reading the sPvP section. We’re laughed out of most organized PvP events, it’s only in WvWvW that players with little understanding of combat mechanics complain.

I’d also like to actively see your face “roll” across the keyboard. I would imagine that most of the in-game menus would pop up preventing you from seeing your screen.

I’d like it if they looked at Blinding Powder.

It’s an awesome utility skill, but it has a 60 second cooldown making it feel “meh”. Shadow Refuge is also a 60 second cooldown but it also stealths and heals an area. Making it a superior option.

Lower the cooldown to 30 (or 45) seconds I think would be justified for the ability.

Rayya.2591:

looking for advices
i got enough defence to survive 1 combo ( i am not glass cannon built)
how ever this seems to last forever , unless 1 of the thieves do an mistake, we can perma stealth vs eachother
so how can i win other thief. mostly i managed to drop 80% Hp of pro thieves with dagger storm after he run away.

Didn’t see anyone else mention it but I will.

Never, I repeat, never use Dagger Storm against a melee class. The biggest perk of this Elite skill is that we can reflect projectiles. You do not guard against melee attacks.

When I’m playing my Thief and I see another thief start using Dagger Storm, I’ll get right up in his face and smash him for the easy kill.

So don’t use Dagger Storm against another Thief, it may just be me hunting you.

Reminds me when I was talking to my buddy that plays a warrior.

Me: “Hey so if your finisher misses or someone evades it, do you lose your charge?”
Friend: “Nope.”
Me: “Wtf!?”

le sigh…

lethlora.1320:

There is no “grand scheme of things” to “Thief 5 lets you hold a node indefinitely.” If other thief underwater skills bother you, you should probably post in the “Buff something” thread and not here.

The point is that being able to bunker a node and essentially never be hurt is silly and I’m pretty sure was not in their design philosophy. If it was something you could do on land they would nerf it in a heartbeat. Water really shouldn’t be any different, as the only real reason there might be is “it’s water combat so it doesn’t matter much.”

Shadow Assault uses 5 initiative. We’ll get back 1 initiative during the cast animation. How exactly are we indefinitely “bunkering” a node with that?

Some of the traps are pretty lackluster. Not the biggest fan of a “line” trap, I like the AoE “circular” traps.

Most of our traps and utility skills overlap themselves, so that’s something that Anet could look at. Caltrops and Needle Trap for example. I have never seen anyone use Needle Trap as it usually only hits one target, whereas the caltrops last for a period of time.

I would like the prospect of a longer base stealth but it can’t stack. i.e. 6 second stealth instead of 3 but it can’t stack with other stealth sources.

I’ll agree with a lot of the other posters have said.

Putting a root or cripple on us really kills our uptime on our target. Especially after our initial burst (if a BS thief) we are left with hardly any options and little to no initiative. This pretty much screams free kill.

Another thing to note, as I’ve noticed others have had issues with Stealth, is that when you see a Thief stealth you’ll need to be on your toes. We can cap out Stealth to 10 seconds, most thieves won’t since it uses quite a bit initiative or a utility skill. So for the most part we’ll be in stealth for a grand total of 3 seconds. That’s your window to start using dodges, traps that immoblize/cripple or dropping short cd AoE’s.

Traps are the best option imo, I’ve had engineers and rangers sit on their traps when they notice I vanished. Most of the time I either eat the trap or toss an AoE of my own to get them out of it.

SKuDDer.1860:

offence.4726:

Well its obvious that the massive qq and crying has led up to this once again and it mostly comes from people who dont understand the class or dont want to. Its easier to come to the forums and post thread after thread of qq then going ingame and learning a class or how to counter something. I really want to see how they can “compensate” another nerf.
@Niim yea IF only.

Actually, my complaints stem from me both playing a lvl 80 geared thief doing this, and a lvl 80 guardian trying to figure out how to stop it, because there is no prevention to the stealth raw spike burst dps. There is also no cost of this high damage, if you start taking damage you can just stealth run away.

It would actually help if you posted suggestions or asked people how to avoid those situations.

In your thread however, you just want Anet to nerf thieves. This is a discussion forum to ask about class mechanics and discuss strategies. Not a place to direct your frustration.

A three second stealth resets a fight huh?

It’s actually pretty hilarious to burn down new players that know nothing about game/class mechanics. If only they AoE.