Guild Wars 2

Kal Spiro.9745:

Elbegast.6970:

@Sykper.6583

I sold a few exotics on the trading post, for a substantial loss, but I salvaged most of the exotics for the materials to make new discoveries. I lost well over 200g for those discoveries. In this game, that is no small sum.

Sorry, but that was your choice, and a poor choice at that. It isn’t ANet’s fault that you decided to play that way, and it isn’t ANets responsibility to appease, nor compensate you for having played that way.

Grey Warden.2983:

Kal Spiro.9745:

No, people are losing intangible recipes out of their precious list of intangible recipes. Recipes they HAVE to make again anyway. This is the point. In order to get to 500, which they have to because they’re crazy and obsessive, they have to make exotics. So better to get there through discovery anyway.

People have to make them again because Anet reset the crafting of exotics in the first place, for “sweet XP”. Horse apples.

No no no. Exotics they would have had to make anyway, reset or not, in order to level up to 500 to make the Ascended that are now missing from their list which they have to refill.

Don’t try to misrepresent the situation. They upped the crafting level. That means things need to be crafted to reach the new level. Whether they make them from the list they have, or they relearn them and refill the list, they still need to make them to reach the new level.

No No No, don’t you misrepresent the situation. Circular reasoning is not reasoning.
Exotics would not have had to be re-made if it were not for Anet making it so.
They could have left crafting exactly like it was and people could have leveled it exactly like they always did.

THE problem is the amount of gold it will cost just to make something we already have made and wouldn’t make again unless we decided one of our toons needed the weapon, our choice, our decision, our gold, speaking of which, I wonder how many hundreds of it it will cost to make one new weapon.

Kal Spiro.9745:

No, people are losing intangible recipes out of their precious list of intangible recipes. Recipes they HAVE to make again anyway. This is the point. In order to get to 500, which they have to because they’re crazy and obsessive, they have to make exotics. So better to get there through discovery anyway.

People have to make them again because Anet reset the crafting of exotics in the first place, for “sweet XP”. Horse apples.

What you and others will not acknowledge is, it was going to cost us 4-5 gold to re-make every one of those exotics, at the price the mats were when they announced this fubar.
Now it will cost 6-8 gold to make them again and that is the problem.

I have every craft maxed, I really don’t how many exotic weapons I can craft,( all of them) but I know it will cost more to craft them AGAIN than it did to level to 400 in the first place. List completion be kitten ed, Anet just took at least 100 gold from each from a lot of players, but they did give us some SWEET XP.
I did not need xp, did not want xp and have no use for duplicate exotic weapons. Yeah, there is some crazy in this thread, no doubt about it.

If Anet thinks it is simple to just put the mats together and make the weapon, then they should have no problem giving me the mats to do it with.
I think we all can see why they flooded the game with loot, because they had a giant gold sink built into this patch.

Shiren.9532:

Grey Warden.2983:

Shiren.9532:

My concern with using ascended gear as the hero to inflation is that it will exclude people who didn’t farm the gold. If the idea is that all this gold is going to go somewhere, how are players, who didn’t participate in any of the farms, going to keep up with the players who did? They are going to have a much harder time competing in the new economy.

Why are you concerned about anyone else who did not participate in any of the “farms”? If they did the gauntlet, pie chart or the invasion they participated in the farms. If they didn’t log in and play or they did…anything else, they already have a hard time in any “economy” and it is their own fault and nothing what so ever to you.
Again, why do you care?

Because I’m allowed to care about other people? Because I myself didn’t farm the events. I actively played the game during the time of all of these farms but I’m not a grinder, I can’t stand it. I got bored of the emberfarm after two runs, I got bored of the Pavilion on the first day, I got bored of the Subject 7 farm after 10-15 minutes. I made a small fraction of what people I know made this month. I dread the day I have to compete with these people for resources I want.

It’s fine that you care about other people but the bolded part is the answer to my question. Really, if you are bored and will not grind then that is on you.
I get you don’t like the grind and that’s fine, but what exactly do you think needs to be done here? It doesn’t make sense to me that you don’t do anything to make the coin but at the same time you are concerned with the coin.

Equinox.4968:

Grey Warden.2983:

Equinox.4968:

Here’s a possible compromise. Everyone who doesn’t play the game like I want them to must be punished. Casual players must become super good with leet skills or be removed from the game. Just like I said here.

Fixed that for you.

Please explain why success ought to mean the same as failure then. “It doesn’t matter why, because it does” is not sufficient to explain why. This is not how I want things to be, it’s how things ought to be based on how Anet set up the game. Are events NOT designed to be completed? Because the way the game is set up, it seems like they should be. Or are you saying we should just be thrown experience and loot for just existing, without putting any effort into the game?

Let me explain it this way.

No one plays your game, they play their game.
You do not own the game.
You do not make the rules.
You have no business telling anyone how they should play.
You have no business demanding they listen to your instructions.
You have no business suggesting that players must live up to your standards or be forced from the game.

That is as clear as I can make it.

Equinox.4968:

Here’s a possible compromise. Everyone who doesn’t play the game like I want them to must be punished. Casual players must become super good with leet skills or be removed from the game. Just like I said here.

Fixed that for you.

Shiren.9532:

My concern with using ascended gear as the hero to inflation is that it will exclude people who didn’t farm the gold. If the idea is that all this gold is going to go somewhere, how are players, who didn’t participate in any of the farms, going to keep up with the players who did? They are going to have a much harder time competing in the new economy.

Why are you concerned about anyone else who did not participate in any of the “farms”? If they did the gauntlet, pie chart or the invasion they participated in the farms. If they didn’t log in and play or they did…anything else, they already have a hard time in any “economy” and it is their own fault and nothing what so ever to you.
Again, why do you care?

silva.5938:

Kamicku, I appreciated the post, clever, but dismissing every worry with “you’re just whining” doesn’t make you look good.

I thought that, for example, ancient wood log, glob of ectoplasm, orichalcum ore, are all rising in value since recently (see www.gw2spidy.com to find examples)

The reason is no one is gathering orichalcum or selling as many ectos. New 500 level crafting is on the way. Those that do sell them are getting a higher price.
Supply and demand is the term.

I don’t really see anyone trying to stall events for champs.. I do see champ farming.. but no event stalling.. So really this “Zerge Issue” has been a non-issue for me personally.

So you don’t see a problem personally but it must need to be fixed because…..umm..why does it need fixed again, I forget.

ilr.9675:

don’t tell me I missed the point.
…When You don’t even know that a WvW dev already admitted that their 5 target limit is also a Technical Server performance Limitation that they’d like to address but just can’t at this time… IE: Zerging is basically an exploit that they can’t fix yet. There was never anything intended about it. And if they were to really start scaling Event Difficulty everywhere else like they’ve done in Orr, you’d see a lot more people QQ’ing that zerging was ruining their current super easy farming

And when they nerf champ loot into the ground again you will see a lot more people “QQ’ing” about not being able to complete events in Orr and the rest of the open world.

Wargrave.4936:

Grey Warden.2983:

Drainbamaged.1062:

These aetherblade champions go down super fast during my play and as soon as one went down another immediately as spawns. I was getting easily 6 to 10 bags from them alone. Sadly I saw this champ farming become a trend real fast. And that is major factor in failure.

You do realize that Aetherblades are part of the second wave and unless they are defeated the event will fail, right? So as long as they spawn, they need to be killed
This isn’t champ farming, it is a major factor in completing the event.

You do realize… Molten or aethers can come in 2nd round? And if aethers come in second, they just farm them during phase 3 for champs?

So they either farm them during phase 2 till they clear it then farm on phase 3 when people should be on molten. Or they zerg farm them avoiding Twisted events resulting in a fail/

Ok, but it doesn’t matter which type spawns when, killing them completes the event and they must be killed to complete it.
Once they are dead in one area people move to the next closest and do it all again.
It isn’t like there are endless champs spawning, the event is timed. Failing it just takes the big chest from everyone, not something people who are after loot are known for.

The reason it fails is because people just keep killing the trash mobs after the molten/aether are gone. They don’t drop anything worth the trouble so you better believe anyone farming this ain’t hanging around for that.
It isn’t farmers messing this up, which leaves somebody else.

Drainbamaged.1062:

These aetherblade champions go down super fast during my play and as soon as one went down another immediately as spawns. I was getting easily 6 to 10 bags from them alone. Sadly I saw this champ farming become a trend real fast. And that is major factor in failure.

You do realize that Aetherblades are part of the second wave and unless they are defeated the event will fail, right? So as long as they spawn, they need to be killed
This isn’t champ farming, it is a major factor in completing the event.

If they do that most people will do it long enough to get their achievements and the permanent event will be dead, because most people will not spend 45 min for little to no reward.

Vayne.8563:

Grey Warden.2983:

Iconik.8712:

I do it, and have garnered a bit of attention for it because I was seeing people say “Yes! We failed! Good job all!” It’s so utterly ridiculous so I complete the event now and have even gotten a bit of a small army helping.

So you had no other reason to grief a group of people than you disagreed with them.

You are not a hero and certainly no savior. But you do admit to disrupting other players game play simply because you didn’t like what they were doing and thought it was great fun and would get attention for yourself.

I believe Anet should take a hard look at people doing these things, documenting them and posting pictures of their “good deeds”. Really what I am saying is you need a few days in time out for being disruptive to a large number of players.

Maybe it would give you time to wrap your head around the fact that the world does not revolve around you and your whims.

Finishing an event is playing the game the way it was designed to be played. Intentionally not finishing an event is playing the game otherwise.

And because of the depth of the obnoxiousness of some farmers, I see nothing wrong with completing an event…playing the game the way it was meant to be played.

If it inconveniences people who want to farm…my sympathies. There are 1500 events in this game and there are tons of champions. You’re not actually preventing people from farming. You’re preventing people from farming as fast as they want to. And that shouldn’t be my problem.

I can’t wait for Anet to fix this. Players shouldn’t have to.

How about you break from your normal pattern of not reading the thread before replying and actually read the thread. Then you can better decide what the issue is and the depth of the obnoxiousness those involved.

How much will it cost for a single use device?

So you do understand that this is a situation that shouldn’t exist and will be changed.

Yes, all farmers wish to be left alone to exploit the event. But their obnoxiousness is also exactly why they won’t get it. Pity it wasn’t some out of the way obscure event. If so, perhaps there’d be less of an issue for everyone.

With the patch looming, my guild chose today to bring our newly Lv80s through Orr. We enjoyed completing certain events so much, we did it again and again!

Don’t put words in my mouth.

Yes the event will change, there was never any doubt it would.
It is not an exploit and even if it was Anet has said nothing to indicate they don’t want people to have the loot drops even though they prefer the events to be completed, in fact Colin said they think the drops are great.

As for who started this crap, you and your fellow travelers are to blame for griefing the event chain. People who are farming only reacted to your behavior.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Grey Warden.2983:

I suggest you read Colin’s statement again and pay attention to the no giant nerf hammer part.

There’s a big difference between no giant nerf hammer to champion drops in general and modifying this one event so it does not run perpetually. Neither you nor I know what they will do, but the straw you are clinging to is not the one you think you have.

I used that to counter the “play the way you are supposed to” crowd, as in Anet may not prefer it but…

I’m sure they will change it, can’t see how they wouldn’t.
All we want is to left alone to get while the getting is good.

Erasculio.2914:

Abyssisis.3971:

Its not an exploit, its just an oversight which anet will fix sooner or later

Remember when cultural weapons were made available for a very very low price, and hordes of players bought a lot of them, only to be banned a while later for exploiting what was ultimately a bug?

Wasn’t that pretty much “an oversight which anet” did fix sooner or later?

Another straw man. No relation to this issue in the slightest way.

Colin posted in this very thread about this farm. Read what he said.
Stop breaking the rules, stop putting words in Anet’s mouth and stop saying thing you know are not true simply because you don’t want people to make money.

Erasculio.2914:

Grey Warden.2983:

you say “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…” and then call it an exploit and a loophole.

Exactly. Farmers could farm in the area designed for farming, in other words, in the Crown Pavillion. They could farm in Frostgourge Sound, where there are a lot of champions.

But no. While having all those options, they chose to use an exploit. In other words, the argument “there’s no way to make gold, that’s why people are using this exploit” is false – there are places made to farm, but exploiters have chosen to ignore all of them and flock to an exploit instead.

Grey Warden.2983:

That snowflake deal is just another straw man you are trying to set up.
This event farming is nothing like the snowflake exploit, that was not intended.

And intentionally failing an event in order to farm is not intended. By your own definition, that’s an exploit. Thank you for proving my point.

I haven’t proved your point at all. You are the one continually proving the point that you are griefing.

It is not an exploit, Colin said that while Anet prefers the events be completed there are no big nerf hammers coming.
It is obvious that Anet didn’t intend for people to grief other players, that is against their rules, and you continue to break them.
There are more than a few of us who wonder why Anet doesn’t enforce their own policy, especially when they have people bragging about it and encouraging others to join in.

Yep, but until they fix it or make it illegal, I don’t see it changing. Colin also said “they want us to want to finish the event”. How could we “want” to finish the event if we’re gaining so much by not doing so?

Right now, aside from opening the WP on Arah for those who doesn’t have it and having the Karma Merch up, I don’t think there is a point on finishing up the event.

It’s under-rewarded for the effort people will put through.

That way point is seldom contested, Anet made it open months ago.

ilr.9675:

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

No, no one’s saying that. It is abuseable however and obviously not what Anet intended if you read Colin’s post more carefully. Infact this has been an on-going dialogue that Anet has weighed in on even back before the game was live when they first announced D.E.’s. …As in:, a Developer literally came to Guru and assured us personally that events like the “Giant Champ” on the Promenade that could potentially block other players from succeeding an event simply by “Scaling” too much, would always get patched…. or changed in some way so that no one would have conflicting interests.

This one… if you look at the palpable immaturity of the Farmers involved, is actually a lot worse than the Giant was. And I mean that strictly in their CUSTOMER SUPPORT department, not the design itself. Consider for a minute just how many more /reports they’re now having to sift through, both legitimate ones, and “abusing-report function like it was L.o.L.” kind of tickets…) that is a COLOSSAL waste of human resources right there that doesn’t need to be happening in the first place

Speaking of palpable immaturity, what do you call what you and your fellow travelers are doing, “just because it is not the way the game is supposed to be played”
which makes your statement “No, no one’s saying that.” a flat out lie.

I suggest you read Colin’s statement again and pay attention to the no giant nerf hammer part.

Erasculio.2914:

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Am I gonna stop players from doing it? No. There is no way I could , unless I got a party of people to complete the event.

You can, just walk in there while the zerg is killing the champions and destroy the cauldrons. It prevents the event from starting again for around 6 hours, and it’s something a player can do solo while the zerg farms.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

The devs better nerf that event to the ground before the economy is busted and the community gets even more toxic.

Too late.

I remember, during the Snowflake exploit, how ArenaNet puffed their chest to claim they would never allow exploiters to run rampant, and how they would punish anyone exploiting the game. I guess losing a few hundred thousand players made ArenaNet realize how valuable are the players they would lose if they actually banned all exploiters in the game.

This is what we get now. It’s ok to exploit, just do it quickly before it’s nerfed.

You spend a great deal of time talking out of both side of your mouth.
you say “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…” and then call it an exploit and a loophole.

That snowflake deal is just another straw man you are trying to set up.
This event farming is nothing like the snowflake exploit, that was not intended.
Although I have it on good authority that the update provided a “new area specifically for farming (the Crown Pavillion) as well as increased the drop loots for all Champions everywhere, including in places where there are a lot of them…”

knives.6345:

I don’t understand how it is an “exploit”. You guys make it sound as it’s illegal, a bug and want people who do this banned ASAP.

I mean, events have a fail option. There is no rule about how we should complete an event.

They don’t care about that, they have seized on the opportunity to enforce their no gold for anyone policy on everyone.

Like I said, all those things have been nerfed as far as loot, while made more difficult to do. Never mind the repair and travel cost. I can gather mats and do, but selling elder wood and mithril just don’t feed the kitty. They simple are not worth the effort.
Taking advantage of a good loot farm isn’t greedy, and it certainly doesn’t mean people can get everything NOW. Even if it did, it isn’t your business or place to tell them they are doing it wrong or how long it should take to accomplish THEIR goal.
And THAT is the whole problem with those who grief these events.

CelebrityX.7014:

Grey Warden.2983:

CelebrityX.7014:

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people didn’t decide to grief other players.
People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.
Is it greed that people want the best gear or guild upgrades or anything else that Anet put in the game and said, “look shinnies”. Or is it greed that Anet removed every viable method of making the coin to get those shinnies except the occasion Champ train or gem cards.
I’ll thank you not to lay this fubar at the feet of players who are willing to put forth the effort to get those shinnies, this is Anet’s doing.

It’s not greedy to want the best gear/guild upgrades/etc. but is the “I must have this right this instant” mentality greedy? IMO yes it is. You make is sound like there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY TO MAKE ANY MONEY IN THIS GAME without taking advantage of failing an event for plentiful and quick champ spawns/resets. That is simply not true, it’s just your justification to continue doing what you’re doing. It’s the “it couldn’t possibly be my fault” argument.

Also, sitting in a zerg of 20+ people auto-attacking does not require effort.

I see you ignored the fact that it takes effort to do everything else, but I thank you for ignoring my point and telling me how I should play my game and how long it should take before I see any reward for my efforts…really appreciate that, you have no idea how much, can’t thank you enough…swell of you…

BTW, exactly how do you make money in this game, since you know all that kind of stuff. I noticed you didn’t offer any particulars, just that there are plenty of ways. Come on, share the wealth commrad.

CelebrityX.7014:

IMHO the “farmers” kinda bring this upon themselves. I’m not against farming, in fact I do my fair share of the champ train farming in CS and Frostgorge. I do not however participate in the failing of the Anchorage event, I simply steer clear of it, as I personally see it as an exploit. I think if farmers had stuck to simply running around the map killing champs we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Alas, that is not the case, farmers had to start to be greedy (imo) and fail an event to take advantage of the quick spawn champs/event re-start. Because of this you now have to deal with some people who will feel this behavior is exploiting. Most likely this whole situation will be nerfed/changed by Arenanet. At that point instead of the farmers QQ’ing about “noobs griefing” they’ll complain that Arenanet doesn’t let them earn any money. Greed is their own downfall.

We wouldn’t be having this discussion if people didn’t decide to grief other players.
People farm and play the TP because Anet has made every other rewarding activity and event in this game not worth doing.
Is it greed that people want the best gear or guild upgrades or anything else that Anet put in the game and said, “look shinnies”. Or is it greed that Anet removed every viable method of making the coin to get those shinnies except the occasion Champ train or gem cards.
I’ll thank you not to lay this fubar at the feet of players who are willing to put forth the effort to get those shinnies, this is Anet’s doing.

justkoh.4073:

Grey Warden.2983:

justkoh.4073:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

VOLKON.1290:

Ashabhi.1365:

better solution:

Don’t tie the event to Arah…. Then we know that there won’t be any legitimate progressionists that are completing the event. Easy to tell the griefers from the players that way.

As I said…griefing is griefing. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on.

Completing an event that is intended to be completed is never going to be taken as griefing. Insulting players, however, that are trying to complete the event could get you in trouble.

Griefers like you make the community a very hostile place. I can only hope Anet will see these responses and properly ban those who are harassing farmers for no other reason then trying to make people mad.

This post is pretty funny; farmers turning around and crying about griefers when they are the ones deliberately failing events for personal enrichment and insulting people for doing what the game was designed for (i.e. completing events).

It’s pretty funny, as in an odd way, that you can’t see that it isn’t that they complete the event but their stated reason for doing it.

You’re upset that they complete the events to ‘grief’ the farmers. But why can’t they complete it? It was made to be completed. Nobody owns it. You don’t and I don’t.

Actually, farmers will mind as long as the event gets completed. Doesn’t matter whether they do it to upset farmers or because they want to follow the pact’s progression through Orr (even when they’ve asked nicely beforehand), farmers will claim they’ve been trolled and insults will fly etc. IMO, since asking nicely doesn’t serve any purpose (and ironically may lead to a sense of entitlement in farmers), why bother to?

The argument against completing the ember event in Cursed Shore has even less weight than for completing the Frostgorge events. For FG, some folks say “why are you taking an interest only now?” and there is no deliberate failure too. But in CS, people were actually regularly completing the events leading up to assaulting the Gates of Arah in the weeks leading up to the Queen’s Jubilee. And speaking of griefing, I have the Gates of Arah waypoint but now I need to run the gauntlet because folks are deliberately (though indirectly) locking it?

No farmer wants to admit it is bad game design which causes this conflict amongst players because it is the bad design which lets them farm and enrich themselves thus.

Have you read what your fellow travelers are bragging about in this thread, and why they are doing it? It has been..shall we say less than stellar, game design for many months but it certainly isn’t the farmers fault nor is it something they have any problem admitting. Nothing prevents you from getting in the Arah dungeon any time you want, nothing. What happens at any other event or chain to open any other temple has absolutely nothing to do with the subject and it is a tactic used to deflect the griefers actions onto the farmers.

It’s is simple, you people are griefing other players for a whole host of trumped up reasons and not one of them is valid, including the ember chain because the griefers only started using that after they plainly bragged about shutting down the farmers because they didn’t want them to make money.
That is the sole reason for the griefing, always has been and always will be.

I’m sure many people are sitting on the edge of their seat in anticipation of you next “it’s the farmers fault” argument.

ilr.9675:

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Because 500 vegetables can group together and farm embers. 500 vegetables probably need at least one person with a brain to do all the temples.

They’d be doing all the Dungeons instead if they were actually as clever and rational as they claim they are here… Maybe it’s a Fluke, but the Coffers I get from Dungeons actually seem to have better drop rates and less “garbage” in them… (and the Champs sometimes die faster just b/c there isn’t 50 staff guardians Scaling their HP up to Lyssa levels)

My favorite one though is “Orr was totally empty before we got there! No one did gates!” … I can’t think of a more obvious “well we’ve been in COF the last few months but we’re pretty sure this is how it probably was on the surface while we were gone”. It perfectly fits the stereotype of greedy people who assume nothing worthwhile ever happens when they’re not there… (meanwhile they’re also missing out on even bigger long term wealth opportunities)

This has absolutely nothing to do with the issue or your behavior.
There has been no long term, short term or any other wealth opportunities in Orr for months. You know it and Anet knows it because Colin said as much in this thread.

justkoh.4073:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

VOLKON.1290:

Ashabhi.1365:

better solution:

Don’t tie the event to Arah…. Then we know that there won’t be any legitimate progressionists that are completing the event. Easy to tell the griefers from the players that way.

As I said…griefing is griefing. Doesn’t matter which side you’re on.

Completing an event that is intended to be completed is never going to be taken as griefing. Insulting players, however, that are trying to complete the event could get you in trouble.

Griefers like you make the community a very hostile place. I can only hope Anet will see these responses and properly ban those who are harassing farmers for no other reason then trying to make people mad.

This post is pretty funny; farmers turning around and crying about griefers when they are the ones deliberately failing events for personal enrichment and insulting people for doing what the game was designed for (i.e. completing events).

It’s pretty funny, as in an odd way, that you can’t see that it isn’t that they complete the event but their stated reason for doing it.

Vol.5241:

They can ‘grief’ all they want, they can’t cover all 5 servers (BG/JQ/SoR/TC/DB) that do it frequently and zerg it hardcore…

You would be wrong, they have and do cover all 5 servers.

The only toxicity in this community are the newbs that come in thinking that this is a game where if they put in 2-3 hours a week, they should be on the same level as players who put 5-10 hours a day.

That would be the ones, except not all are new.

Well said Jeffery, but I am sure you are about to see the real reason for the toxic nature of the “community” any minute now.

Wanze.8410:

Grey Warden.2983:

Celebratty.1632:

Wanze.8410:

Its not you class that is bad at farming, its your build.

Pretty much everyone I have asked has told me not to even try farming Dunwell. I ran full zerk everything, soldiers with zerk trinkets, swapping traits and weapons, etc. and I still only made about 2g/hour because I couldn’t do it with multiple gambits. As for Ember farming, I can go full zerk, pop RaO with sword and use my jaguar on a full hp champion ember and occasionally not get it tagged. But that isn’t really my point, either.
I have school on the weekdays and a part-time job. I can get on for maybe an hour on the weekdays, and focus mainly on the weekends. I’m hovering around 20g and have been for a while now, but abruptly it has no value. How do I get enough gold for the value? Spend hours farming embers of the jubilee that I don’t have. If I play WvW now, I just get poorer because of buying structures, armor repairs and the little to no loot you get.

I read both your posts and I am having trouble understanding what it is you want, so I’ll just ask. What exactly do you want?

I didnt mean to be rude. My advice to you, stay in school, keep your job.
Do an extra hour at your job, buy a gem card and convert it into gold. I am pretty sure, you will end up with more gold than farming for an hour.

I think you replied to the wrong person.

Erasculio.2914:

Grey Warden.2983:

LOL, so you didn’t grasp the fact that they are griefing and when they stop the farm chain not a single one of them open the gates as is the reason they give for doing it.
And while you are busy not reading,it is none of your business how anyone plays the game. Read the post above mine and see what Colin said.

If it’s not any of your business how other people play the game, why are you complaining about how others are actually playing the game as intended and so finishing events?

Weak counter-argument is weak. Players don’t need any reason to complete an event. Preventing others from exploiting the game does happen to be a good reason, so stopping the farmers is a very worthwhile goal, but claiming that those who are just finishing an event should be banned is rather nonsensical.

And I’m still waiting, what’s your server? Or did you “not read” the question?

Just as it is none of your business how other people play, works both ways, except when you name something an exploit that Anet has refused to call an exploit.

Weak straw man argument is weak. The griefers in this thread only complete that event to grief those that are farming it. They have proudly and loudly proclaimed that, several have suggested that people join in the effort across all servers to break that chain. What they are doing if griefing and it’s as plain as the nose on your face.
But yet you people seem to have convinced yourselves you have a noble cause and so the means justifies the end. Well it doesn’t.

Once more, I do not want people banned for completing events, I want the griefers banned for griefing. It isn’t hard to see the difference unless doing so removes your straw man.

Iconik.8712:

Grey Warden.2983:

Iconik.8712:

I do it, and have garnered a bit of attention for it because I was seeing people say “Yes! We failed! Good job all!” It’s so utterly ridiculous so I complete the event now and have even gotten a bit of a small army helping.

So you had no other reason to grief a group of people than you disagreed with them.

Yup. By completing an event as intended. Real disruptive!

How special.
I forget, did you open the Gates also, or just troll one event chain?

Yaks bend is contested atm, and most likely other lower pop servers. People go to the higher pop cause everyone is already there.

Which brings me to my point that people completing it arent doing it to succeed but to troll. I logged on just as the escort was starting, and how many people were there? None! No one was doing it! So, if people guest to farm, why not guest to complete the event?

Look, i farm time to time, but i cant do it constantly. Ive only done the ember farm two to three times and got bored, same with the living story farm.

Does this farm need nerfed? A bit, events should give a good reward for completing (that needs buffed), and as i suggested before, maybe adding bonus conditions to events for a greater reward.

BUT I dont agree with people completing the event not to complete it, but to grief. Thats just uncool.

I can’t disagree with you there, even on the bit of nerf.
The problem with Orr, all of it, is that there is no good reason to do most if not all of the events there, not to kick Anet around, tough job and I wouldn’t want it, but..

The whole of Orr has been a wasteland for months because of bugged events, nerfs to to working events loot and the living story. The LS is fine, mini games and JPs aside.
Simply, there is not one good reason for doing events. I go there and gather wood and ore for dailies, hit some of the events at Pent to complete daily events when they are part of it. Other than that, I couldn’t care less about being there unless a guild mate needs a hand mapping it. The whole reason Orr is not worth the effort is because Anet made it so, and unless they make worth the effort again, that will not change.

Unless people need the temples for karma gear or way points, they will not show up to help open them for a few silver, blue loot and a champ that doesn’t drop one dang thing. The repair costs are more than the pay out, simple economics.

In the mean time, we have a chance to gain some good coin but there is a dedicated group of griefers out there that intentionally nerf that. Anet needs to do something about those type people as much as they need to fix Orr and the rest of the open world, because clearly, this is sad state of affairs.

Erasculio.2914:

Grey Warden.2983:

The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.

LOL, so you want ArenaNet to ban people for finishing an event? Instead of banning the exploiters who are intentionally failing an event, which is obviously not playing the game as intended?

Right. Which server are you on again? I’m sure this event is going to be a huge success there, over and over again.

LOL, so you didn’t grasp the fact that they are griefing and when they stop the farm chain not a single one of them open the gates as is the reason they give for doing it.
And while you are busy not reading,it is none of your business how anyone plays the game. Read the post above mine and see what Colin said.
If Anet isn’t bothered overmuch about people farming this then what makes the anti-farmers think they need to be? Clearly they are not and have not been completing these events with any regularity for months, and no one has to clear the gates to get into the dungeon.

So yes, griefers should be banned for a few days and maybe they will learn not to be pests. So are you offering to guest to my server so you can grief the chain, sounds like it.

Celebratty.1632:

Wanze.8410:

Its not you class that is bad at farming, its your build.

Pretty much everyone I have asked has told me not to even try farming Dunwell. I ran full zerk everything, soldiers with zerk trinkets, swapping traits and weapons, etc. and I still only made about 2g/hour because I couldn’t do it with multiple gambits. As for Ember farming, I can go full zerk, pop RaO with sword and use my jaguar on a full hp champion ember and occasionally not get it tagged. But that isn’t really my point, either.
I have school on the weekdays and a part-time job. I can get on for maybe an hour on the weekdays, and focus mainly on the weekends. I’m hovering around 20g and have been for a while now, but abruptly it has no value. How do I get enough gold for the value? Spend hours farming embers of the jubilee that I don’t have. If I play WvW now, I just get poorer because of buying structures, armor repairs and the little to no loot you get.

I read both your posts and I am having trouble understanding what it is you want, so I’ll just ask. What exactly do you want?

hollowcrown.4872:

So I had my first experience of Cursed Shore today.

Everyones always posting “lfg farm” so I joined someone group and we got involved with a 100 person massive zerg. They asked to see my equipment so I pinged them my gear. I haven’t been playing long so I’ve got mainly rares with a couple of exotics, trying to get better gear obviously, hence me looking for a group.

They saw I didn’t have full zerker gear, called me a noob, kicked me, and started flaming me in private chat calling me a noob.

Seriously? This farming zerg thing has just gone too far. I reported them but I feel like the previously friendly GW2 community has become obsessed with farming, profits, and are no longer incorporating new players in their madness for farming.

Please fix this ANet, I beg you.

I don’t believe a word of that.
I have farmed that event chain from the start and never once had anyone ask for my gear stats, in fact, I have never seen anyone ask that in map chat. BTW, I do not and never have run full zerker gear, I could but I don’t need it.
All you had to do find another party and join them.
Why didn’t you do that instead of smearing every one farming that event chain?

MountainPanda.5831:

I agree with serophous. The people that claimed that they want to do the event only ruin the farm and wait for peoples reaction and then uses remarks to make people furious. You cannot blame him if he really wants to do the event, in fact we should help him. But if such behaviour spans across 3 servers, the intention is questionable.

Sadly, it spans across most servers, at least the NA servers.
I have done those events many times with my guild and
randoms from map chat, and have simply walked into that fight. Never got much in the way of rewards for it, but it was nice lending a hand.

The problem here is that Anet knows the antis are griefing other players, shoot, they even post pictures and vids of the fact, there have been people on this very thread LFG to stop the farming. So why has Anet not stopped them from doing it?
What the anti farmers are doing is clearly disruptive as it is their stated goal. They are doing it on most if not all of the NA servers so it is an organized effort.

They have made it very clear who and what they are, so why haven’t the children been given a time out and a good talking to? If that behavior is ok with Anet then what, if any, are the limits to bad behavior? Would it be ok, for example, to show up in large groups and up scale an event while not taking part in it and do it on most NA servers? Very crappy thing to do I think, but what is the difference?

The solution seems simple to me, ban the anti-farmers for a few days and let the rest take notice, and the rest of us can make our coin in peace. Lord knows that every other money making event has been turned into a “not worth the effort” event. Anet wanted people in the open world and now they are out there, and being abused for it.

ilr.9675:

Dagraan.2854:

you know the funny thing is by working to destroy the farm you’re destroying the only actual reason to be in orr.
you’re doing more harm than good by hurting a farm.
because guess what when theres a good farm in orr theres actual people in orr.

Doing what exactly??

…preventing us from completing Gates by harassing us? How’s that a good thing?
Do I need to post more screenshots of their “Contribution” to the landscape here?

Great idea, you do just that, and don’t leave out you or your fellow traveler’s part of the conversation, the part where the farmers were goaded into telling you what they think of your actions.

That gate event doesn’t mean a thing to you people, it is just an excuse to grief people for doing something you don’t think they should do.
Nothing has prevented you people from doing that event every day for months on end, yet you didn’t do it. If you want into the dungeon, way point right to it, it is seldom contested and even then only for a few min, maybe 10.

Advent Leader.1083:

A good fix would be adding area wide AOE to the champ eles that hurt a lot, and triggers on a specific density of players attacking. Also, based on the number of players targeting it, eNPCs should gain defensive stats, such as regeneration and other defensive boosts.

Fine, as long as it is permanent, then we will all see how many of the anti-farm crowd would show up to do these events “the way they are supposed to be done”.
Just so you know, all those things are baked in there now, you should look for yourself.

It doesn’t matter though because 99% of the anti-farmer will not do the event chains once the nerf hits anyway, because they were seldom if ever there before, and everyone knows it.

Reinforcments.5713:

I think they should remove all the items and gold gained from orr and restart everyone from the last patch. That would be fair.

I think they should remove everything you have gained since the last patch, AP, gold, karma, exp..every single thing.
If you are good with that then we can talk about your plan after your stuff is wiped.

Iconik.8712:

I do it, and have garnered a bit of attention for it because I was seeing people say “Yes! We failed! Good job all!” It’s so utterly ridiculous so I complete the event now and have even gotten a bit of a small army helping.

So you had no other reason to grief a group of people than you disagreed with them.

You are not a hero and certainly no savior. But you do admit to disrupting other players game play simply because you didn’t like what they were doing and thought it was great fun and would get attention for yourself.

I believe Anet should take a hard look at people doing these things, documenting them and posting pictures of their “good deeds”. Really what I am saying is you need a few days in time out for being disruptive to a large number of players.

Maybe it would give you time to wrap your head around the fact that the world does not revolve around you and your whims.

Zaeon.3846:

Deadeye farming and Champ trains = bad for the game, bad for the economy, bad for everyone.

I went around with Frostgorge champ train for a little over 4 hours. In that time I got 2 Crystal Guardian skins (34g each), ~10 lodestones, ~14g coins, exotics and rares that sold for ~10g, and a lot of other mats and around 143 karma drips. That’s more than 100g in less than 5 hours.

And if you think that’s a lot… don’t even wanna talk about Deadeye farming…

Though I love getting easy gold, I feel uneasy whether this is the path Anet want GW2 to go to. These non-challenging money sources are tempting people to ignore other aspects of the game in favor of mindless repetitive activities….

I also fear for gw2 economy if this continues, the people who suffer the most are the new, and casual players.

We could look back later and say this is the Living Story content that broke our economy.

Are you concerned enough for the economy and future players that you will delete all of that loot to help save the game? maybe you should go on a mission to get everyone to delete all of their loot also.
Of course you would have to make a video of your deletion and put it on you tube, just to prove you are sincere.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

It’s ironic that most of the nerfed farming spots (such as Pen/Shelt) were nerfed into oblivion for rewarding based on intended mechanics (completion), while this Shank Anchorage farm has been going on without the immediate hotfix that it needs and deserves. It is, in my opinion, the single most toxic example of farming that has occurred in Guild Wars 2 to date. …

3. It is exploitation of one of the most important dynamic events in the game.

Arah is permanently locked because of exploitation of the Shank Anchorage event. The farmers’ response to this? They will tell you to guest to another server, as if that excused their actions.

You are wrong, intentionally most likely, because it has been said repeatedly that the Arah way point is not tied to the completion of that event and hasn’t been for months. If the event fails then the way point is uncontested and stays that way 90% of the time.

Behellagh.1468:

Tasslehoff.5738:

@Behellagh doesn’t matter if half full. I have the same free space on ssd like before patch.

Of course it reports the same amount of space. But all that free space may not be quickly usable until the drive’s garbage collection function runs in the background.

Since the game was patched, including the primary, I think 4 times in the last 24 hours, there could be a load of flash cells that need a proper erasing at some point to be usable again. I was pondering if GC running at the same time as a butt load of read requests could somehow affect read performance.

Good Lord, it is not the computer, the SSD or any other hardware on anyone’s machine. People without SSDs have the exact problem.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Well obviously. There are more players and monsters in that small area then most of the rest of the world combined….

You seem to be ignoring the fact that this happens everywhere.
So unless everyone, and the monsters are everywhere at the same time, there is a problem.

Harbard.5738:

• ATTENTION: This is not a post about what’s healthy/good or bad for the player. It’s about the economy and how CoF farming is affecting prices for normal players.*

Absolute contradiction. Anything else you say is, frankly, suspect.

As people are running CoF over and over for ~10 gold an hour for ages now, isn’t about time ANet shutdown this farming already?

A couple of months ago the number was 5 or 6 gold. Who would have thought that a game would have the power to change the very fabric of time…embelish much?

I see only a ton of inflation coming out it. Am I wrong? …

I think you are, but if you can prove your premise, then I’ll think you have a point,
but, this doesn’t instill any confidence.

…Doesn’t even make up for the lower prices of some stones while everything else gets more expensive for people who just play the game normally (that includes the occasional farmer).

Obvious contradiction aside, CoF runners do not play the game the way YOU think they should play it so therefore Anet should shut them down and force them to do what YOU say?

Seriously, look at this people:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/One-in-a-million-FB-Event-Like-away/first#post2354187
So, ANet, please do something about it.

Seriously, do you believe everything thing you read on the internet, or just what fits into your personal view?

I have ran CoF 5 times total, and 4 of them have been for personal stories for myself or guild mates. I don’t really care for running any dungeon, some are ok and some are not.

Unless you can prove that farming Cof is causing the whole economy to inflate, you or anyone else really come off as wanting to keep other players from getting something that you can not or will not get yourselves.

But the exposed inner thigh doesn’t bother you in the least?

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

The bug isn’t related to the dungeon, all transforms are currently preventing skill switching. We’re currently investigating the issue.

Not to worry there Oxx, we might get killed but we will be warned about it first.