Guild Wars 2

You linked a Necro build.

I’m sick of this negative emo talk in here. I don’t main ele (i main Warrior) but i play ele more and more because we lack eles in our guild and in organsied WvW play, they are STILL one of the best classes for WvW. I’m talking about the staff ele of course.

It’s amazing for zerg and organised group play. Great CC for enemies with the chill field, static field and line of earth skill. Great AoE damage which shines in chokepoints and AWESOME healing with the small and big heal that you can push out quite often. With multiple eles, the group should have healing fields on every regroup which means back to full health every time if your group knows how to press their blast skill.

Dagger/dagger ele and scepter/dagger isn’t as great as it was back in the day with OP cantrips and because of the current meta they are overshadowed. But even these builds are still viable if played well.

Focus is still crap. But nothing new there…

Massive battle around FR garisson yesterday!

Ton’s of people don’t run unsuspected foe trait. Please keep this in mind!! The hammer has been a meta build in WvW since launch. Hammer shout warriors. They are used in every organised guild, Gvg and zerg play. Their main goal is to CC and condi cleanse. The damage is a bonus but will now be even further reduced!

And even in small-scale roaming and sPvP, not everyone runs that trait. So those who don’t run that trait are going to be punished. As someone mentioned before. This is not shaving. Do it step by step. Choose between changing unsuspecting foe to master or reducing hammer damage.

Yes please! It defy lacks something compared to other legendaries.

By nerfing some of the cheesy thief builds, it would be wise to remember that the cheesy thief builds are all we have at the moment. We defy need some compensation here. I believe thieves are one of the weaker classes atm. While a good thief can still do amazing things, the lack of condition removal in the current meta makes it a tough and often frustrating experience.

Maybe just give Hard to Catch a stunbreak and full condi cleanse without teleport. Or turn it into a Roll for Initiative trait. That way, it’s more clear where we are going to roll to. Less randomness would improve it a lot imo.

Took a while to get started but eventually we had some crazy fighting going on @ FR borderlands around the garisson.

Thanks for all the guilds that fought us.. TEO, TBC and others.

I main warrior and thief. It’s a sad but rightious day.

The tanky warrior build is defy dead for roaming now. Damage is just going to be too low. With a zerker set it should still be okey, i hope. And it will still be viable for large scale WvW most likely.

For thief, d/p won’t be as popular anymore. Luckily i play d/d so i welcome the improved initiative gain.

But primetime players ARE already getting punished! Playing outside of primetime if way more profitable. Why do people not see how this is already unfair?

Arenanet is seeing a dilemma that is really not there. It’s fair to cut down point profit during the nighttime because it’s already TOO good. It’s more effecient than primetime.

And i understand that they want it fair for every player but night time players will still net points for their server and even if their points are halved or something based on the fact that they outman enemies, they might STILL get the same atmount of points as what the primetime folks can do. It’s fair and much more balanced overal.

Survival

Both teams are assigned a captain. If the captain dies, you lose. Team mates need to balance their play around defending their captain and killing the enemy captain.

Maps need to be designed in a way that conservative play from both sides is not going to be the optimal way of playing. Maybe a buffing capture points in the middle of the map or something

Oblivion.8307:

i never encountered the whole d/d thing, nobody ever ran it on eu. s/d clerics was all the rage on eu, but that didn’t really have damage. It had enough damage to kill very slowly.

lolwut? d/d was meta in EU for a long time as well.

Had some nice duels with Charliebear! and a stunlock warrior tonight at the ruins. I was the backstab thief!

DevonCarver.5370:

[…]and how WvW could be designed differently to address that moving forward. My personal observation is that the momentum you gain from even a small period of having more people online is so large that it can’t be overcome. Which makes me think we need to be doing more to slow that momentum.
[….]

I partially agree with you here Devon. It is important to realise that coverage is HEAVILY tied to this. If server X plays during the night and captures everything, they might have a lot of their structures upgraded. So once server Y logs in, they might eventually get even numbers, but they still have to capture everything back. And when structures are fully upgraded, this can be a challenging and lenghty process. In the meantime, they lose a lot of points. This is true. And it happens during any time of the day.

And there are servers that are strong at almost every time of the day. Take Vizunah Square for example. If they golem rush your borderlands at 5am, they won’t give you a window of oppertunity during the morning of afternoon. Simply because they always have coverage and scouts. Taking objectives back will be hard and Vizu will just keep defending their nightly efforts (which didn’t require any effort sadly).

But… most servers are NOT equally strong at all times. Say server X takes everything during the night. server Y might login in the morning and notice that server X is mostly sleeping. This is NOT weird because once they have captured everything during the night, they will often log out soon after. What else is there to do? Upgrade or escort dolyaks with 100 man at 5am? Nah! So what happens is that server Y takes everything back without much effort. Still, the loss of points during the night has been felt.

So, to slow the process of having more people online to gain the advantage. I first would look at what kind of servers actually have the possibility to do this. And then we are looking at servers with great coverage throughout the entire day. Which brings us back to the problem at hand.

DevonCarver.5370:

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I’d be more curious to know what people think is the reason behind the fact that score is so directly related to the number of people on a server 24/7 and how WvW could be designed differently to address that moving forward..[…]

The real question is.. Why do people play during the night or recruit people who can?

This is easy to answer. What I and most people have noticed is that having a night time crew is the most effecient way to get points. Basically, being strong during the night is better and will net you A LOT more points than during primetime (depends on the opponent as well of course).

Here is the thing. If a server is GOOD during primetime, they have superior tactics and are stronger. The coverage is often the same as the other servers. Yet, the point margin is always relatively small so the actual points they gain compared to the opponents isn’t that great. They might get 1-2k points ahead in 6 hours.

In the night, if the enemy uses a night crew, they can easily get 75% of all the points for around 6 hours. They accumulate a lot more points than the strong primetime server in this span of time. Heck, 10k+ points can be made profit with a good night crew.

If other servers are bad during the night, it’s easy for people to see the oppertunity! People play at night or recruit guilds from diffferent timezones because they KNOW its the time when other servers are sleeping. Heck, they might even skip primetime to play during the night. It is the most important time of the day for gaining points!!

This is why so many servers started to take the matchups less serious before the seasons. Everyone knew that points accumulated during the night were not based on any form of skill or in-game tactic. This is why coverage won matchups. The points gained outside primetime were easy to accumulate. The server that was actually stronger when the numbers were even, would often not even win the matchup.

I can take my server Gandara and Desolation as example. Deso, won the first season matchup and we ended second with not even a huge difference. But during the night, they always took a lot of points. Without their night presence, the matchup would have been extremely balanced and fun.

1) A week before the next season, make it extremely pricy to go to heavy WvW servers (price based on hidden rating/ranking). Make it free to go to the really bad WvW servers.

2) Score is halved at the PTT if you outman both enemy servers.

These are simple ideas but it would already be enough to balance it out a bit more imo.

Silver.

1. Tankolation
2. Gandalf
3. Blobbadon / AG

Mist merc vanquisher needs to be reduced to 25 (max).

Sentry kills need to be reduced slightly.

Dolyak kills need to be reduced slightly.

Kills need to be drastically increased (took most guildies 1 or 2 days).

This is based on the progress of semi-hardcore players after 2 weeks.

Yeah their use is rare but it can make a difference. I used one today when 2 enemies entered the ring. I needed 3 shots to kill the upscale while the second person was climbing up to take me down. I jumped down from the cannon, finished the downed player and fought the other player afterwards for the win. But when that one person wasn’t an upscale and simply knew how to dodge, the cannon would have been useless.

Everyone blobs, night caps, outnumbers, exploits, doubleteams, corpsedances etc. Tell me something new! Let’s have fun and ignore the pointless drama. Good luck all. This matchup can be amazing!

It’s easy to dismiss any effort of Gandara by blaming it on double teaming. If that makes you guys feel better, so be it. But we are grabbing the points. Teehee!

Vortigern.1987:

IDarko.4709:

I wanna see them rage in this thread! ;o

Why should we rage?

Nightcapping and double teaming is part of the game. The bragging on the forum may be a bit unnecessary and let you look like kittenbags, but that your problem, not ours.

Ok, keep biting.

Gj to everyone who stayed up all night to bring AM to 30 ppt. Let’s keep this up.

I wanna see them rage in this thread! ;o

So far, the seasonal chests have only given me more bloodstone dust.

Nice reset. Diva event ended early so some of us joined CNTK’s raid. We had one of the best farms ever at Bay. We just stood at the portals on the inside, and the bags just kept on trickling through.

Very blobby tho. Noticed that many of Gandara guild groups had to work together to match the numbers. Haven’t seen a single medium or small sized guild from Deso/AM yet. Maybe later this week when all the excitement dwindles down a bit.

Ok, good luck all.

Yes, it’s nice. Everyone is excited and takes it serious in primetime. I’m afraid nights and mornings will decide the outcome tho.

Also, the achievements need some tweaking. Some take way more time than others. I got the 450 kills and 10 keeps today already for example. Those are achievements, ment for 7 weeks!! It’s just weird.

warriorjrd.8695:

IDarko.4709:

A lot of misinformation and hypocrisy.

First of all, Deso is not the only big PvE server in EU. Actually, for the first 6 months of the games lifespan, Gandara was THE PvE server and Deso was THE sPvP and ENG speaking WvW server. So right now, one can argue if Gandara or Deso is the biggest PvE server at this moment in time. But it doesn’t even really matter. Because…

Gandara lacks PvP players (A lot of guilds are PvX and our PvP playerbase is non existant). Heck, i used to be in the top 5 of Gandara sPvP, and i barely did any tournies. It was extremely obvious when the PvE patch hits last tuesday. Only a few WvW guilds remained in the maps and barely any other players. Almost everyone was outside of WvW. Deso doesn’t have this problem as much. Deso has tons of pure PvP players who don’t care about PvE at all. This is a huge difference!!

But please, believe what you want. I don’t care about tanking or whatever weird theories people have but simply based on the type of players that the two servers have, it’s obvious that Deso has an advantage in silver league.

Don’t deny what is obvious. It only makes it worse.

Mate, Gandara might have a large pve population, but I can assure you, if you lose people from wvw to pve, we lose more. Hell we killed tequatl first out of any EU server and every time, no matter what time of the day, i go into sparkfly fen, there is an overflow.
We’ve had a massive pve population since beta, and if we had all those pve’rs come into wvw we might have beaten vizunah in the 60 times we faced them.

The fact is you cant use SERVER population to determine WVW population, if that was the case we should have been able to beat SFR or viz.

Exactly, glad you agree. When Gandara loses PvE players coz of updates etc., we are screwed with like 3 empty maps. But Deso is still ticking strong with their dedicated PvP playerbase. Deso (PvP)WvW population is higher and we just have to deal with that. Hopefully, no PvE patch in the week we face you.

A lot of misinformation and hypocrisy.

First of all, Deso is not the only big PvE server in EU. Actually, for the first 6 months of the games lifespan, Gandara was THE PvE server and Deso was THE sPvP and ENG speaking WvW server. So right now, one can argue if Gandara or Deso is the biggest PvE server at this moment in time. But it doesn’t even really matter. Because…

Gandara lacks PvP players (A lot of guilds are PvX and our PvP playerbase is non existant). Heck, i used to be in the top 5 of Gandara sPvP, and i barely did any tournies. It was extremely obvious when the PvE patch hits last tuesday. Only a few WvW guilds remained in the maps and barely any other players. Almost everyone was outside of WvW. Deso doesn’t have this problem as much. Deso has tons of pure PvP players who don’t care about PvE at all. This is a huge difference!!

But please, believe what you want. I don’t care about tanking or whatever weird theories people have but simply based on the type of players that the two servers have, it’s obvious that Deso has an advantage in silver league.

Don’t deny what is obvious. It only makes it worse.

If Gandara would get some love from non-primetime guilds (NA, we need you!), i believe we can aim for the gold medal. But right now, we are just a very strong primetime server with slightly more coverage outside primetime than most silver league servers. It will be between Deso and Abaddon, they have much better coverage. Of course, Gandara won’t give you an easy time and we will try to raid your zergs down every evening! Our guilds are prepared!

TDA, YaK, WvW, BORD, TCHU, DiVa, CNTK, DYE, REQ, YARR, BT, ONS and many, many more are waiting for the gates to open. Our spears are sharpened and our energy is renewed. Bring it!

A day buff could work i guess, if every side has the ability to get such a buff. But tbh, during the day, there is less coverage problems than during the night afaik. Is your server different?

Hello all,

I understand that there are people who play during the night and servers who have night teams to keep up with the score. But let’s be honest, 90% of the servers don’t have good night coverage and when they face better servers, all their evening efforts go to waste. I’m not here to suggest closing certain maps, removing the points gained during the night or anything else extreme, but i do have a suggestion that ties in with the current mechanics that might reduce the imbalance during the nights.

A buff. One could call it: “Shield of the Mists” or "Ghostly Defense " Cheesy as hell, i know. I’m no naming expert. Anyways, the idea is that it works like any other guild buff and it will give grant the following buff to the keep/tower/camp.

“For 12 hours, the objective will be protected by the ghostly heroes of the Mists of your server. The hitpoints of gates and walls are empowered by 100%. Ghost guards will spawn in and nearby the objective to protect your lord. Cannons and Oil are manned by these ghostly heroes as well.” (can only be activated at certain times)

Obviously, the time at which this buff can be activated depends on the server. In EU, it will be between 8pm and 2am or something, i suggest. It might sounds very limiting, but we really don’t want this buff during primetime. It will make it too hard to take objectives, most likely.

So basically, what this will do is.

+ Gives guilds more reasons to be specialised in WvW.
+ Finally a WvW buff that actually matters and is worth taking.
+ Reduces imbalance because of night coverage.
+ Gives outmanned players a sense of not being alone.
+ Doesn’t limit anyone who plays during the night, just makes it harder to take certain keeps/towers etc.
+ Adds some lore about the ghostly heroes who roam the Mists.

- Might be time-consuming to make.

I know it’s a crazy idea, but what do you think?

We want to discourage blobbing, which isn’t going to happen with your version. That said, a mastery based on open field combat can work but it should give variety or encourage blobbers to play with less people. Maybe things like dealing extra damage against downed enemies or Increasing your chance to gain liquid WXP from enemies that got stomped.

So ponies do die and famous people do wipe. ;p Big thanks to all the groups that fought in open field combat. Was quite a decent week despite having a heavyweight server demorilizing us outside primetime, haha. Good luck with reset 2morrow.

Nice, today ELY and meta gave us some nice fights. Thanks for that and sorry that some of our allies interrupted..

Haven’t seen a Vizu guild with less than 30 people yet sadly. Not a lot of fun for organised roam guilds. Is Vizu a zerg server who doesn’t like competitive play and fun guild brawls? If so, why not? :/

gl tonight

Well, this could have been worse. DiVa had a fun reset in Vizu borderlands. And more proof how important coverage is. During primetime, Vizu wasn’t any stronger than us.

I hope that Vizu will stay out in the open for fights once they have their upgrades in during the night/morning.

Peace!

Some good fights and thanks for the compliments as well. It’s awesome to see enemy guilds grouping up to defeat you. Respect to YMCA (is that the correct tag?) for having smaller numbers but going balls deep anyways.

rofzedor.5374:

Spectre.6452:

We had some great fights versus VotF last night! I also liked fighting AFK and SVD
We were outmanning them sometimes, we havent been so many in an event before.

I look forward to more good fights

Sadly we got lags and deco last night… We were only 15+
Only 2 guardians in the raid… Hope we’ll meet you again this week.

I feel you mate. We had like 1 guardian, 5 rangers and crazy lagspikes like you mentioned. Crazy right?

Diminishing returns at 2k toughness/3k armor. So no point in adding much more after that. If you play WvW, you also don’t need 30k vitality (25k+ recommened tho) because you have excellent condi removal with shouts, soldier runes and the warhorn.

Recieving buffs =/= OP’ness!!

You all act foolish. Warrior is probably the most balanced profession. Most weapons are useful and the warrior has its use in every format. This is a GOOD thing, not a bad thing.

The other professions need fixes.

Also, the warrior is NOT perfect. Physical utility skills and banners are still meh, besides Warbanner ofc. Certain grandmaster traits are also crap still. Take Spiked Armor for example.

One of best resets ever! Thanks for all the good fights! I This can be a super awesome week! To all the organised guilds out there. Don’t blob too much and go balls deep!

Seriously, Deso is like rank 3 or something and during primetime we get higher PPT. You think we care that you WXP over us with 80 people or rush with golems in the morning because you have no life? Hell no! ^__^ We did a really good job this week imo.

We have our fun during primetime. You guys can have fun in the Gold Leaque with WXP servers, massive blobs and long queues. Gandara is not like that. We are a skrimish server and proud of it!

Thanks for the fights tho. We had a lot of good fights this week. We saw 40+ player guilds and MASSIVE AM blobs but we went balls deep anyways! And at the end of the week, we even saw massive blobs afraid of charging at 20 DiVa players. Beautiful!

Go, go! Make your Arrow Carts! jk, gl in the next matchup everyone.

It gets removed in the lobby already. I lost 2 boosters today without warning. One was after a relog coz i crashed in WvW.

So, i had 3 in total and decided to use one today. Then i went in SAB and lost it. Now, keep in mind, i recieved a pop message (which told me boosters, food etc. would be removed) before i entered the world level so it was entirely my fault, RIGHT? Atleast, that’s what i thought at that moment. Now, the way i lost my second birthday booster is even worse.

I went into WvW while i was standing in the SAB lobby. In WvW i popped a second birthday booster and after a few hours of fun, i crashed (many guildies crashed actually). So we all logged back in and guess what happened? I entered the SAB lobby (forced to enter that map coz that’s where i entered WvW from) and lost my second booster. And that’s when i heard from guildies about the sAB lobby bug. Basically, entering the lobby will remove your booster without a warning! So even my first booster was removed without any warning.

Seriously Anet.. I understand it’s a bug but before i entered WvW i didn’t even know about this weird SAB lobby bug yet so now i lost most of my boosters in a few hours. That’s just not okey. The bug is WAY too bad.

I hope it’s possible to refund these 2 boosters. You guys can prolly check my account info and charakter dates and do the right thing. If not, that sucks and i hope you fix it quickly before other people also get this bug.

Why did we see bird eye view of chaotic teamfights instead of the 1v1 fights?? 1v1 fights are actually watchable were teamfights with spirit rangers are just messed up to watch. Only when someone is getting downed, is it getting interesting for the viewer. Secondly, via player pov you can actually see fun and awesome gameplay, skills being fired and whatnot. At one point, it was Caed vs Super and Grouch went to waterfall teamfight…. To throw salt in the wound, Chaplain mentioned how awesome that 1v1 was (which we missed as spectator…)

Sounds quite awesome actually!

It’s normal to glitch through the tower. It’s also expected to jump out again at that point tho. Just saying

As for emotes. It depends i guess? I doubt that we do it more than peeps in other tiers lol.

And what the hell is up with those Deso guild groups lol. Gandara has tons of 15 man guilds but you guys just run with organised zergs lawl. 40 per guild or something? O.o

That said, it’s been decent fun so far, despite the weird matchup.

Gandara most ppt atm. Am i missing something?? =D

Welcome FSV! Too bad i couldn’t be there yday. Heard it was a lot of fun.

Let’s have some fun in the future! Lion hunt brothers =D

While i hoped to see the whole new lake area, i don’t think the stream was that bad. Gave me some hope for open field combat.

Looked awesome. No kittening walls! Just capture points. Will be an awesome place for guilds to fight all day!

Of course not.

1) WXP is useless because i don’t really care too much about any of the current upgrades lines in the game.

2) WXP doesn’t even mean anything. Mindless zerging gives you a higher rank than skilled players who roam, defend or scout.

3) And it’s expensive as hell.

Unfortunately, Dius has to cancel most WvW events this week because of insane armount of lag, rubberbanding and disconnects.