Guild Wars 2

Relentliss.2170:

I was excited to see Jon post here. Thought we were finally going to have a good dialogue about guardian and what it is really like to play. Bit disappointed that our community is giving so much and hearing so little back.

Dont worry he is talking… to other classes… look they gave us our moment to which they think it will keep us happy.

JonPeters.5630:

The change to sword damage from 5% to 10%. I’ve seen a lot of talk that maybe it is not really needed. The fact was this was a lackluster trait and this is a lackluster change to it. I would love to do the right thing here and have a change that MH sword wants rather than just 5% more damage.

Thoughts?

Jon

Keep the 5 to 10% damage boost. But listen to the other ideas on how to add to guardians because we need it.

Talyn.3295:

I thought about it guys. I think we might be wrong on a few things.

First from a balance stand point what sense would it make for a heavy armored like us to
1. have a lot of hp
2. Great/Good damage
3. Decent passive regeneration
4. Excellent CC both hard and soft
5. Good passive movement speed with access to reliable swiftness.
6. A nice selection of skills

Now wouldn’t that be over powered?…. What’s that? the Warrior already has all that?

Well frell me dead…

And that is the reason the guardians are upset as a whole….. Devs are excited as heck talking about warriors.. and couldnt look like they could care less and also forget out abilities when they talk about us… then Warriors have been buffed to near demi god like ( I know have a 80 with full exotic ). I refuse to change over to warrior..its not face roll easy to play the class. If they dont fix guardians then I move to something else to have fun playing till Camelot Unchained starts its alpha which I bought a spot into thru kickstarter….and hope the people who started RvR can do it again!

SilkySmooth.1574:

2650 armor with strength in numbers, 2900 power 47% crit and 905 condi damage which makes burn hit 555, bleed ~90 and poison 150(sigils). and i also have 50% burn duration

Bring me the condi buffs anet:D make me burn for more

(edit) im sad to see shattered aegis go tho, it was a nice 3 sec burn(1900 dps) (+ 1.5 sec because it blocks which will still remain)

so there definitely is a possible power condi guard build.

14k hps….. this is the biggest problem… you dont see a warrior with any spec less then 20k

Dirame.8521:

Fox.2785:

Hello. I play guardian on SoS. My quistion is, this being the forums and such people tend to overact when stuff isn’t all that bad. I recently felt like doing WvW again (Mosly roaming) But alot of people are saying that guardians have been nerfed to the ground, some saying that there’s absoulty no reason what so ever to play a guardian over a warrior.

Lets face it warriors are boring and dont require much skill so I’ll pass. Now it comes down to where I was going with this.

Is it true? Are guardians just plain bad now? Or are people overreacting.

People are over-reacting.

Says the engineer troll…. no need to keep kicking us while we are down…

come on now.. they wouldn’t even know what to spec like or even know the abilities names or symbols… lol and they would have no idea on how to play the class.. would show what we all know… no dev plays a guardian or even knows about the class.

Who else wants to see the 2 devs from the last dev blog for the class updates do a Blog on how to play a guardian?

Just watching them stumble over the names and icons of our skills would be youtube laugh feed for at least a year…. then watching try and play a guardian would be icing on the cake!

Lucentfir.7430:

Irsei.6802:

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Guardians are fine. I still see more of them in wvw than warriors. Yes warriors and necros are the fotm. What does that always mean. It means they will be nerfed into the ground like every other fotm has been. So just be paitent and warriors will be garbage again when they nerf healing singet and nobody uses it anymore and they mess with the traits so you don’t get everything by taking 1 trait line in warrior.

Have you played alot of MMO’s? All of them have had the golden childs that the devs love….IE the pobcast with class buffs the devs were giddy when they talked about warriors… and the ones who stay black sheep and never get help for years why? Easy they sit back with the attitude “ohh they will get to us” and it never happens class becomes played very little and then the devs go.. why spend time on a class no one plays.. thus it is perma black sheep.

It really shows too, with the races too. Charr are in need of good armor that doesn’t clip or shave mane/remove horns. Anet’s logic is obviously if it’s the least played or it isn’t popular, the way to fix it is to put more work into the popular classes/races, and forget about the less popular ones. The OCT 15 patch was a huge letdown aside from the meditations becoming instant and a fury buff. Purging Flames is okay.

Fury buff is to short to be of any use… now if warriors had a buff like that it would last 3 secs on a 12 sec reuse.. ohh wait they have that on the off hand axe and I read alot of warriors saying its useless..12 sec use timer 3 sec up time and we get a 2 sec up time on a what 20 to 30 sec timer?

20 kitten and 60 sec reuse for a fury that last 1 sec less then warrior get on a weapon! Hello devs you cant see how this is just wrong?

Chuck Zitto.2367:

Guardians are fine. I still see more of them in wvw than warriors. Yes warriors and necros are the fotm. What does that always mean. It means they will be nerfed into the ground like every other fotm has been. So just be paitent and warriors will be garbage again when they nerf healing singet and nobody uses it anymore and they mess with the traits so you don’t get everything by taking 1 trait line in warrior.

Have you played alot of MMO’s? All of them have had the golden childs that the devs love….IE the pobcast with class buffs the devs were giddy when they talked about warriors… and the ones who stay black sheep and never get help for years why? Easy they sit back with the attitude “ohh they will get to us” and it never happens class becomes played very little and then the devs go.. why spend time on a class no one plays.. thus it is perma black sheep.

WonderfulCT.6278:

Spirit weapon guardian is the best build in the game.

Ohh look a thief… troooolling trolling trolling….

Svarty.8019:

Stice.5204:

I think warriors’ current level of passive healing is dubious from a balance standpoint and will probably be nerfed in the future so I’d be reluctant to use it as a comparison point.

Orly? A nerf to Warriors? {snicker}

what is the saying.. on a cold day in…. yeah that is right. I didnt feel this strong about devs and balance till I saw the last dev video blog about he class fixes… and after 2 devs forgetting a guardian skill and how they seemed like the guy who is going on a blind date with a ugly… IE couldn’t wait to get thru with it. While when talking about Warriors they were fully engaged and excited… photo is worth a thousand words.. and videos worth a million. You cant hid your feelings on video and they showed us that guardians are a afterthought (heck less then that) while they love love love warriors and how to help them…

akamon.2769:

ha, i’ve never actually listenined to their streams.. but i’ve heard the stories. i’ve heard the stories…

makes me feel like the few grains of cereal that get stuck inside the box, but outside of the bag after pouring some out.

“we know you’re there, at that moment.. and we’re like dangit, what a waste. maybe i should try to pick ’em bac—oh well.”

and then that moment passes until the next time it happens again.

am i being too sensitive? XDD

No that is a good example of how Guardians are being treated. But I have said it before.. ever game has one of these classes the devs just dont have any enthusiasm for.

Please ArenaNet… find a Dev for the next profession live stream that actually knows the Guardian class and gets as excited as the devs were about warriors last time!

Buran.3796:

As a player which started with a Warrior, did level Him to 80, then did level a Guardian to 80, made Him my main character, then leveled a Ranger and a Thief and then rise another Warrior (all of them to 80), I must say: at the current state, Warrior.

You will not find problems to complete the whole map and dungeons in PvE with both Guardians or Warriors, except due inexperience. Both can faceroll almost any PvE content without help, and are capable to be the tankiest guys in dungeons. Warriors can do more damage without big sacrifices in their survability, whereas Guardians are better in support roles (aegis, damage reduction, AoE stability, Wall of Reflection, Tome of Courage…), but as I said no problem at all in PvE.

Instead, in WvW, despite both are great, the Warrior currently has an edge over the Guardian. Both are crucial in guild raids, the backbone of any army.

But when comes to roaming or dueling Warriors are better: they have more viable builds available (burst damage, full condition, perma-stun), they have more weapons and a large array of builds, and they can have 25% enhanced movement or perma-swiftness at no oportunity cost. And they can run in full berserker gear retaining a 18-19k health pool, or tank for more than 27k HP while still retaining strong condition damage or having the strongest crowd control tools in the game. They have awesome gap closers, very spammable (and can be traited to break out inmobilitations).

Guardians, instead, are slow, which means that either you spent a fortune in Traveler runes or will be exposed to be poked to death. Sure you can waste weapon selection and utilities trying to get that pace from swiftness skills, but no one will be near to the mobility available to Warriors. Using those runes will mean to discard Soldier or Mekandru, which means being ore vulnerable against conditions. You also will have less weapons viable to do the task: greatsword, sword, focus and scepter. I love the Guardian hammer, but if you need to keep the pressure against a Mesmer or Thief you will need weapons with gap closers, so that loadout probably will not work very well.

A bit the same happens in sPvP; as a Guardian you are almost forced to play bunker builds; as a Warrior you can be either a good bunker or a good dpser with excellent mobility.

I still use my Guardian for dungeons and WvW raids, but when comes to roaming and soloing now I swap to my Warriors: a lot more options available, and just more fun.

Listen to this poster… will make you much happier… coming from a guardian with 5 ascended pieces and I have the mats to make a ascended weapon. My Full exotic armor warrior is better at everything…… now I have to decide to re farm my ascended gear and make a weapon for my warrior or go all in on my guardian hoping the devs finally play the class and read the boards to see how to actually fix the class.

Aza.2105:

Healing Signet is op yeah, only reason it is because it doesn’t need healing power to scale. But then again, neither does AH. Perhaps what anet should do is remove healing power all together or somehow bake it into traits.

Sounds good to me. Just like magic find.. get rid of it and just make all heal abilities from guardians do more then the small heals they are now.

Klat.5846:

Eh i wouldn’t get too hung up on that. He doesn’t seem to know other classes very well. I play a mesmer and staff/scepter combo is far from ‘scary’

Edit: Mesmers don’t really have any ‘faceroll’ builds. You’d have to be really bad at your class to lose to a mesmer that’s facerolling his keyboard.

Yes but now imagine how bad guardians have to be if he thinks those others are face roll.. and cant even think if a guardian that is troublesome… yeah speaks volumes.

Baclavaman.9054:

I am currently having fun in the Mad king maze going for the big bosses with my new warrior, level 62, crappy gear but got Healing signet, 15 in defense and the rest in tactic.

Guess what? Against the lich and huge candy elemental ( the one that could eat teq on his own with his huge HP pool), i survive better with this war than in my full cleric guard with AH and healing symbols all maxed out ( symbol last longer and are larger) that are healing and giving buff to surrounding peoples.

I mean come on, check the wiki for every healing sources the guard and warrior can have and you will notice that the war do scale better with healing power on every single one of them+ he has the superior hp pool and damage.

Not asking for a nerf on the warrior but guardian need to be the tank in this game and at the cost of stopping power it should be able to soak up damage better than warriors, specially when you invest 1,4k in healing power.

Wait till you hit 80… have 6 80’s and I made a full exotic set for my warrior… wow is all I can say. It is a whole different world.

Tarsius.3170:

Didn’t you get the memo? Guardians are “OK”

Anet October 29th Patch Live Stream

“ All classes will be seeing major buffs: Warriors, Mesmers, Thieves, Rangers, Elementalists, Warriors, Engineers, Necromancers, Warriors and that other one…. the one with the blue bubble things…I forget the name. ”

Wow I love that one.

This is just the best way to show what warriors think about guardian… no combo of anything that makes anyone fear them!

While reading the Warrior boards I found this post… notice how all the classes have a be afraid of me build but Guardians….

Nuorus.8415
I find warrior awesome! I played warrior since 3days headstart and still love it… If I even try to play other classes I start missing my warrior. Sometimes as warrior I just miss reflection walls/bubbles and scorpion wire like skills.
Atm warrior can be anything… PvE dps or support/cc (support not really needed), in PvP condi, bunker, cc… well can’t be glass cannon.
WvW u can roam, 1v1, zerg vs zerg etc… everything works.
Also don’t listen the “hit your keyboard with your face to win” whine… every class has one of these builds.
For warrior it’s hammer/mace/shield or GS/mace/shield.
Thief got the dagger pistol.
Ele got their scepter dagger,
necro got terror mancer
I don’t know if guardian actually has one… it has very nice sustain never the less.
Engi got pistol shield
Mesmer got staff scepter and some offhand…
Ranger got spirits
Those are kinda OP builds and in right hands a pain in the kitten if you have to face one.
Dual sword + longbow for hard but rewarding 1vs1.
Warrior got sustain based on high hp regen. Poison + burst dmg counters this. Warrior got nice condi removal which is coming from fighting instead of standing idle. Warrior got mobility and high base stats. It lacks few things but it’s overall loveable profession! It’s easy to play with and hard to master (as Anet stated[I agree with them], but which profession isn’t like that?)
Feel free to argue with me. You learn something every time and it develops your personality.
(edited 2 days ago by Nuorus.8415)

To all the warriors on our boards telling us we rock.. this is the honest opinion by a warrior while telling how awesome warriors are and how other classes can be awesome… well other then Guardian.. they can do ok sustained dps…..

Yaki.9563:

Full cleric (magi back) is only 1064 healing power. Extra 300 from traits (lol), extra 150ish from food gives you a whoping total of about 1500 healing power. That means your shouts heal for 2850 or so. Not 3400. Exaggerate much?

So you’ve got some warrior burning 3 utility slots with short range on the heal, traited fully into worthless defensive trait lines, wearing worthless gear, and otherwise almost entirely worthless just so they can heal some butt-huggers for less than 9000 every 25 seconds.

That doesn’t sound like Guardian at all.

The truly hilarious part? Before the patch they could do the same thing except, oh noes, they only healed for 8000 instead of 9000 every 25s. Did anyone seriously run such a troll build? Nope. Will they now? Maybe if they’re dumb.

You all can ignore this guy…. another warrior trying to defend his op class… man these trolls are coming out of the wood work after this last mega love patch for warriors…

TheGuy.3568:

One of the top DPS builds in the game is Lightning hammer ele. We can get good sustained DPS well going Sw/F + GS (or Sw alone actually). What you complain about has to be concise. Mesmer has the top DPS build in the game in a perfect situation. What sets warrior apart in terms of PvE is just how tanky they can stay while dishing out that damage. That being said done right we have more up time then them in pure zerker gear in hard scenarios.

the main complaints about warrior vs guard in general are. Ranged weapons, sustained healing, and mobility. Some will go into group support but in reality guards are sill better. That being said if you want to complain about warrior take to their forum. Last thing we need is another thread describing how warrior excels vs another thread stating what is wrong with this class. And there is a difference.

LOL warrior on guardian board trying to defend his now over buffed over powered class… yeah never seen this before in a MMO… wait this always happens.. the most op class in the game always has its players who spend more time in other class boards trying to defend why his class being op is ok compared to yours….

Sorry man but your type of trolling is the worst.. go back to the warrior boards and stop trying to defend your class that right now is the top class in the game…

timidobserver.7925:

Fox.2785:

Hello. I play guardian on SoS. My quistion is, this being the forums and such people tend to overact when stuff isn’t all that bad. I recently felt like doing WvW again (Mosly roaming) But alot of people are saying that guardians have been nerfed to the ground, some saying that there’s absoulty no reason what so ever to play a guardian over a warrior.

Lets face it warriors are boring and dont require much skill so I’ll pass. Now it comes down to where I was going with this.

Is it true? Are guardians just plain bad now? Or are people overreacting.

If you noticed, the majority of the people responding above completely ignored what you asked. They are going on about general problems with guardians that have existed long before the most recent patch. They are basically just whiners and complainers.

Guardians were nerfed, but not enough to make them not worth playing. The only thing major you lost was one condition removal per shout with the patch. The nerf hurts primarily group contribution, but the profession is still more than viable.

The direct nerf that guardians received really didn’t hurt all that bad. What hurt is the crazy warrior buff, which indirectly makes guardians less desirable to some people.

Yes in the same way… you and all your co workers all do the same job and are all just as good at it… The guardian now makes 30k a year doing it while Warriors got a pay raise to 100k a year and now all the guardians are… wait I do the same job and I am just as good as a warrior why do they make 3x as much as me…

That is not a good feeling in real life and in a game you play to enjoy your off time it just sucks.

Infamous Darkness.3284:

don’t worry you can hang out with us engineers our turrets didn’t get a health buff either, the new targeting system is a bit…off, we have a traitline basically dedicated to these “inventions” trait line, and our minions can’t move. So I truly feel your pain and hope your spirit weapons are brought up to snuff as well as our turrets. Best of luck to you…but don’t hold your breath.

Wow really….. so necro and ranger buff but our pets dont get anythign…wow

Crapgame.6519:

Irsei.6802:

Crapgame.6519:

Can’t build let alone balance a game that contains PvE in it. It has been tied time and time again and failed each time. Don’t believe it? If you played DaOC (PvP designed game) what happened when they introduced Trials of Atlantis(PvE/Raid content)? How about any game thereafter? WoW? Season 1 anyone with a holy paladin using Hand of Freedom? List goes on and on.

No game designer should call changing a tool tip or fixing a bug a balance change when all other classes get greater changes. Nor is it right to say one class has the best overall balance and everyone needs to raise up via change. That to me indicates a bigger problem. Not saying any one here in this game has done so, it is only a talking point / opinion).

TOA ruined DAOC mainly because you HAD TO GET MULTIPLE ARTIFACTS TO COMPETE IN RVR.

Or needed….master level 10. ToA introduced both gear beyond crafting and the requirement to raid in order to attain master level 10. I believe you would agree that while realm ranks mattered it was required to have both artifacts AND master level 10. It was that noticeable.

Oddly enough my main in that game was a Thane….reminds me much of the issues here with the Guardian. Balanced yet small change and we become the favorite of the month and over powered

LOL Thane was my first main.. with my wifes cave shammy (she hated how her class got turned into a buff bot). Then moved over to hib and played a Warden with my wifes mana ment.

Played wow for thru i think the first x pack and played a Paladin from open beta…thru the mega nerf and stupid me didnt take the hint and was waiting for that class to get fixed.. much like the guardian….

So Thane doac… Paladin WOW… Rift but didnt get stuck with the suck class there… ohh Warhammer Shadow warrior do I need to say more…. then GW2 Guardian. Dang should just say what class I want to play so people know to avoid it like the plague.

Crapgame.6519:

Can’t build let alone balance a game that contains PvE in it. It has been tied time and time again and failed each time. Don’t believe it? If you played DaOC (PvP designed game) what happened when they introduced Trials of Atlantis(PvE/Raid content)? How about any game thereafter? WoW? Season 1 anyone with a holy paladin using Hand of Freedom? List goes on and on.

No game designer should call changing a tool tip or fixing a bug a balance change when all other classes get greater changes. Nor is it right to say one class has the best overall balance and everyone needs to raise up via change. That to me indicates a bigger problem. Not saying any one here in this game has done so, it is only a talking point / opinion).

TOA ruined DAOC mainly because you HAD TO GET MULTIPLE ARTIFACTS TO COMPETE IN RVR. Where the game was easy to get out to end game RVR before it. I had a LGM in every craft in that game and people knew you hit cap.. came to me and paid me to make the proper set up with the few pve drops you had that you liked. I loved RVR but I still ran dragon and DF raids too. Was a nice diversion once in a while to have fun. And the classes were darn close to balanced in PvE.

It needs to be a true aoe rez… like warrior battle standard…wait we cant have a skill as good as a warrior so nix that…

Viralseed.9362:

Deathmond.7328:

Please write all your idea about guardian here https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/guardian/Guardian-Collaborative-Development/first#post3020796

While there is a thread for ideas, the point of my post is not to give ideas to ArenaNet. I have my own ideas for rebalance as do any other Guardian here. The point is that ArenaNet seems to believe Guardians are either perfectly fine as they are or that Guardians are the least of their concern (or the least tested) in a rebalance update. I’m asking what the Guardian is suppose to be anymore because it doesn’t have a role that any other profession does better. Every Guardian that plays on a regular basis knows the problems compared to other professions, and they make those balance suggestions here or in your thread (thanks for advertising, by the way).

I know there’s no dedicated tanks, healers, or DPS professions, but the Guardian can’t gain any ground on the other professions with each passing update. We’ve all seen how Warriors can bunker down without even trying to avoid attacks using passive regeneration alone. A greatsword Warrior can cause such massive damage if the attacks connect as well as a solid Eviscerate or Kill Shot. Guardians can’t manage to break those kind of numbers. Warriors have solid Cripples, Knockdowns, and Stuns at their disposal. Guardians have a few Immobilizes, slow-casting Knockdowns, and Wards which rarely allows players to roll through. Each of the above are all on longer cooldowns in comparison.

That is just against Warriors. Even Elementalists and Engineers can bunker down more easily. Mesmers can deal far more damage than Guardians and from afar. Every profession can dish out better Condition damage. Our strongest asset, Boons, requires heavy Boon Duration investment just to maintain Boons for a considerable duration. Even so, the best method for applying Boons, Symbols, have such a short radius that most ranged allies will not stand inside of the area at the risk of taking a hit. Guardians primary survival is based on applying Boons, and the best method is standing in that tiny circle which rarely happens.

Anyone can sit down, test each profession (especially the profession specific skills) and realize what each profession is capable of. The Guardian doesn’t feel like a solid profession anymore. Virtues lack power without a heavy investment, and none of the three really put out a strong enough effect in comparison to others. I just want to see Guardian go in a direction. Will it require more Boon maintenance while receiving better Boon application? Will it receive a boost in passive healing and maximum Health? Will our virtuous power allow us to truly lock down foes that get too close? I’d like to see ArenaNet finally decide on what the profession is meant to do.

Its obvious they just dont know what to do because they dont play the class… this weeks podcast showed just how excited and how much the devs know about guardians….

Heizero.9183:

Irsei.6802:

LOL wow now guardians will be wanted in wvw… for a cheesy ability to make it so the enemy has to kill the the lord twice……

Guards have always been wanted in wvw…

Drop your thief and play a guardian full time.. then you can troll here.. .troll… now back under your bridge…

LOL wow now guardians will be wanted in wvw… for a cheesy ability to make it so the enemy has to kill the the lord twice……

Relentliss.2170:

I am not sure they know any more. I really think its time for a direction change as far as who is doing the class balancing. Too much love is given to Warriors, they are constantly being looked at, and too little is given to other classes. The devs to not seem to like or care about this class. They are content with it simply because it can bunker in tournaments.

Watch the podcast from this week…. the devs get all excited and giddy when they talk about warrior buffs… and guardians they seemed like they couldnt give a hoot and even forgot the symbol for one of the buffed skills… both of the devs forgot it.

But really you have to watch the podcast to really get the feeling…. they just didnt have any enthusiasm when they talked about guardians and couldnt get away from it fast enough… while warriors… man they were stoked! You can tell they just loved the class.

xoom.4918:

bad build by bad player.

Coming from a person who asked for tech support on a sound problem that was fully his issue and not the games…. talking about bad LOL

Time for one of the trolls to roll in and talk about the “meta game”…… knowing its all BS and guardians are being left behind and the devs are oblivious to it.

Again.. watch the podcast from yesterday… they were plain board talking about guardians and totally forgot the symbol for the most buffed skilled they did… while they were buzzed up on red bull when talking about the warrior fixes.

Its obvious they dont care.. and from in game I am hearing out pets.. the spirit weapons didnt get the hp boost the other pets received.. ooops…

VIVorcha.7853:

Irsei.6802:

VIVorcha.7853:

I cannot believe people actually complain in this section.

You have amazing trait lines, heavy armor, awesome skills, and 3 signets as your class mechanic.

How can you whine about being underpowered?

Another troll engi who just got one of the biggest buff patches for his class.. come over knowing nothing about how guardians are played and tells us we are great… go back under the bridge troll….

They fixed fundamental design flaws that have existed since release, and buffed something so that you don’t need to trait into it for it to be viable.

And they also broke turrets.

Guardians are one of the best classes in the game. Stop complaining.

LOL troll on troll… can anyone lead this troll back to his bridge? We have tons of borked stuff in our class and none of it got fixed.

VIVorcha.7853:

I cannot believe people actually complain in this section.

You have amazing trait lines, heavy armor, awesome skills, and 3 signets as your class mechanic.

How can you whine about being underpowered?

Another troll engi who just got one of the biggest buff patches for his class.. come over knowing nothing about how guardians are played and tells us we are great… go back under the bridge troll….

Please tell me they buffed pets… then ignored the guardian pets… but hey would fit in with the blacksheep mentality arena net has with the guardian…

Well well… now we know.. shelf that guardian and pull out that warrior… because it doesnt look like guardians will be brought up to par anytime soon……

Hear that? Its the sound of thousands of guardians being put on the shelf and the Warriors they have being pulled off and starting to gear them up… Hey arenanet you even care about this class? Do even 1 dev play it? When they said this would be a support spec patch I thought wooot mega guardian love…. lol.

Go watch the dev video from yesterday… Warrior part devs are super excited and into it! Guardian part… they were board and no excitement at all. Heck they didnt even know the symbol for one of the skills buffed… but they knew all of the buffed symbols for other classes… its so obvious after watching that video where guardians will be till gw2 ends….

Relentliss.2170:

Buran.3796:

But I’m not crying: I have 5 characters at 80, so when I want to have fun I just put my -main- Guardian in a corner, I take my Warrior and I use my crit build, my bleed build or my stun build and I get that fun.

I think the writing is kinda on the wall for Guardians. Going to level my Warrior up as it is just so much better at nearly everything.

This will be the most common thought process… And if things are left as is next year guardians will be played by a few because people want a few things they do but they wont enjoy playing the pigeon holed play style.. but someone has to so you stuck….

I have to keep saying it… You have to watch the dev video. When talking about guardians they were like football players talking about my little pony and they knew so little about the class they couldn’t find one of the skills they just buffed!

Then they got to the Warrior part….. The Devs were super pumped active excited! You have to watch the video to see what I am saying.. or heck listen.. you can hear the excitement about warriors and the who gives a crap when talking about guardians.

coglin.1867:

Wow, guardians get buffs and you guys cry. This is down right pathetic. Some of you need to get off your duffs and play a profession that takes skill to accomplish what guardians can face role. You guardians and warriors have no idea how good you have it. Reading this thread is like dealing with my kids. 1 has a birthday and gets a gift and the other 4 act like jerks because they didn’t get anything. Every last one of you complainers need the same thing my kids get.

“Honey, bring me my belt so I can tend to these spoiled brats”

Ohh yes coming from a Engi who just got a mega love patch….you think we wouldn’t look at your past posts to see your a engi player… wow…

Brutaly.6257:

I have no issues with the changes to guardian from a stand alone point of view.

What i find weird is the buff to warriors. The change to staggernig blow with the motivation that it felt clunky would also fit into ring of warding.

The same goes for the trait change to shout traits. The reason for that was that a warrior couldnt use all shout related traits and at the same time they buffed the healing by a huge margin. 25% more heals and considerably better scaling with healing power. So basically we are talking about 7k burst aoe heal while removing conditions (rune of soldier) for my warrior. Combine that with 500 passive regen.

I think our symbol traits definitely should fall under the category of “clunky and awkward” or that you cant invest in all of them if you chose symbol weapons, its 55 points.

Also a huge boost to both necro and thief and aoe condition capability. Like it was needed.

9 sec of fury is just silly tbh compared to that, the above forces guardians even more to build for condition removal and its kind of tellling when we look at the build they used to demonstrate the changes to guardian.

As been said above, this wasnt everything but that clearly said it was the high lights and frankly if they dont adress zeal, spirit weapons or symboltraits.

If anything meditations got less viable due to even more conditions flying around. Im not even sure its a relative boost to a x/30/30/x/x build compared to what necro, warriors and thiefs got.

I usually try to stay positive but i dont think positive is particularly realistic approach atm. If the stream accurately displays the overall major changes i think Anet is very disconnected from their own game.

I hope i dont get my “hopes” fulfilled tomorrow.

You hit the nail on the head…. why pick a guardian for support.. ohh a couple of cheesy abilities which you can really go without. While bring a warrior and wow now Warriors get more use out of heal gear then Guardians…. wow and Like I said before.. just watch the video and see how excited the devs were while talking warrior.. and see how dead they were when talking about guardians… you cant hide it.. its obvious they dont care…

wow warrior buffs are massive.. one little nerf to stun but who cares… just listening to the devs talk about warriors will make a guardian sick.. they know all about them and are talking about how this or that needed help why they buffed the item… quality of life yaadaa yaadaa… while when they talked about guardians it was like they were just trying to get past it…

CptAurellian.9537:

Funny. Looks a bit like some kind of mirror image to this thread:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Why-play-anything-besides-guardian/first

LOL sorry but read it and they are just being stupid. Passive healing… warrior wins… shout heals now heal for a great amount for a aoe. Great buffs with banners. Higher health pool to take advantage of the best passive healing in game! Best burst dps in game. Condition spec is super dangerous.

Guardians have protetion.. which is only up a very small % of the time.. I will take a passive 400hps heal with no healing over our protection.

If more was comming to guardians they would have talked about it in the pod cast but they were so illiterate about guardians one of the skills they buffed they couldn’t even find it….

It is obvious the devs dont care and are just plain ignoring guardian problems.. just wish I would have known that guardians would be the forgotten class (ever game ends up with 1 class that is obvious the black sheep no dev cares about) so I could have put all my time into making gear and farming gear for my Warrior. But hey after having to play 2 x as hard to keep a guardian competitive I feel like I am on easy mode when I play my warrior who is less equip t.

Well after watching the twitch cast.. if what they showed was the only guardian buffs… well I am prob going to move over to my warrior and re do all the gear I allready have on my guardian.

buffs were small and a joke to say the least. I am waiting to see how much they are going to buff warriors.. if there shouts get more powerfull they will be the best healing..support..spike dps and great bleed class all in one!

So anyone else just plain disgusted with how they dont think guardians need help when warriors are just plain better heavy armor class period.

Wukunlin.8461:

Obtena.7952:

Doesn’t anyone else think that this comparison is not relevant or am I in my own little world? WTH does it matter what a warrior does and how does that impact Guardian gameplay? I have never seen a compelling argument for change based on between-profession comparisons. I don’t see it now.

Pretty sure they are trying to talk about class balance

Yup class balance… you do it and get it close or at year 2 of your game some of your classes end up not played at all and others are breeding like bunny rabbits..IE all the warriors you run into.

Kyle.3856:

Caution maths ahead…

Where h is healing power:

Guardian
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Virtue of Resolve 84+ .06h
assuming 150 h = 93 heals/s
adding in 25% duration for Absolute Resolution (20 in virtues)
116.25 heals/s

Selfless Daring (dodge heal) (15 in honor)
129+h
time to dodge
10 seconds w/out vigor
5 seconds w/ vigor
with perma vigor and 150 h
279/5 = 55.8 heals/s

Signet of Resolve
8338+1.25h 40s cooldown
8525.5 w/150 hp
213.1375 heals/s
32s cooldown with Signet Mastery trait (10 in radiance)
266.421875 heals/s

438.471875 total heals/second (with 20 in virtues 15 in honor and 10 in radiance and perma vigor/dodging when avail)

Solved for h
1.25*(84+.06h)(129h)/5+(8338+1.25h)/32=105+.075h+25.8+.2h+260.5625+0.0390625h=
391.3625+0.3140625h heals/second

Warrior
—————————————-
Adrenal health (15 in defensive line)
1 bar) 125+.15h
2 bar) 240+.15h
3 bar) 360+.15h
assuming 150 h
with 3 bars 382.5 heals/s
with 1 bar 147.5 heals/s

Healing Signet
392+.05h
assuming 150 h = 399.5 heals/s

399.5+382.5= 782 heals/sec (with 15 in defensive line and a full adrenaline bar)

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Calculating how much healing power a guard will need to equal a warriors healing with signet and adrenal health
782=391.3625+0.3140625h
390.6375=0.3140625h
h=1243.8208955223880597014925373134

Summary:
A guard with 20 in virtues,15 in honor,10 in radiance,perma vigor,dodging every 5 seconds, and 1244 healing power heals for the same amount as a warrior with 15 in defense and the healing signet equipped with full adrenaline.

Someone correct me if i mathed up

QFT devs why havent you did this math?

I warriors see more buffs and guardians are left as is after this next patch…. I will start the looong play time needed to get my Warrior geared as well as my guardian… why play the second rate class when you can play one who can support..heal… spike dps… bleed…. higher hp no matter what…

Why even have a guardian class? We suffer from the hybrid problem all mmo’s have…but with the no trinity I thought certain classes wouldnt be made favorites… but warriors are top of the heap and about to get a buff to shout heals… like they really needed that and we are looking at +20% crit off meditations… and we dont know if the heal will still be with that trait.. take off the heal and now you really make warriors king and guardians bottom of the barrel…

Ohh just found this on the warrior forums……

ArtemisEntreri.4138
You guys don’t even recommend going light into the healing power just to supplement the warrior’s great sustain?
Example: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fIAQNBMhJak0p5N5x4hJOggeohVBXcKoEpHkBbkGA-j0CBYOCiUgAUDgkFQJPZNLSQMRCpyqIasqGYKVER1eDFRrWGA9xA-w
Primarily, the things I was most pleased to see was:
3186 attack w/ sword (+empower)/ 3297 w/ hammer
30% crit (50% fury)
3049 armor
23k health
33~34% crit dmg (wanted more but would be ineffective with my crit chance)
871 healing power (1121 w/ life)
With max healing power:
448/s on HS
176/s on Adrenal Health (528 every 3 seconds at 3 bars)
270/s regen
2089 per shout
That means every three seconds I have rejuvenated 2682 health passively (with 3 bars of adrenaline). Seems a little OP to me.
Guardian – Tamoko Anchev | Warrior – Koveras Anchev | Thief – Baedric Surestrike
Onslaught[Ons] – Black Gate
(edited 4 days ago by ArtemisEntreri.4138)

Yeah sucks to be a warrior….

I have 6 80’s now and my main is my Guardian. And to me main is… 5 sets of exotic armor and a 20 slot bag full of exotic weapons so I am set for almost any spec or occasion.

Now I went and set up my warrior and played him the other day… OMG.. tried the spike dps spec was great… bleed spec OMG…. 400+ heal ticks! yes with my guardian in full heal gear traited to max out my passive heal… I can get close to 300 that is it!

Warriors are the king of all right now and god forbid they up healing on warrior shouts and boom they have great utility thru shouts and banners…. top level burst and sustained thru bleeds (but we all know the problem with bleed stacking right now).

Warriors are the best at everything worst at none. There is no reason our passive heal should be less then a warrior with more hps and better burst!

I really dont want to put the time into getting all the gear over again for my warrior.. ohh and level weaponsmithing to 500 so I Can make the ascended weapons I Can for my Guardian.

I made my Guardian because I usually play a support class in MMO’s. And the lore on the guardian fit what I wanted. But in all honesty the Current Warrior is a better support class in this game then a Guardian is.. but no warrior plays that way because they are also the best DPS class in the game with great survivability to top it off so why would they go pure support?

Kysin.6349:

We got a blue dragon chest, it had Karma and a rare/green in it.

Well I guess this means they will nerf the heck out of champ farming.. I mean its either that or boost these rewards for this.

Because in 15 mins I can do what 2 or 3 champ circles? Which gives me much more then what you got for 15 mins of deaths and gear repairs.

eisberg.2379:

Kaimick.5109:

TheBlackLeech.9360:

nope -1
There is no proof whatsoever that your overflow servers at events are due to guesting any moreso than they are due to high home server population.

Guests or not, if you get enough people in one place, an overflow is created.

Your kidding right, ok look Guesting is not the 100% problem here but it does lend a huge % to the overwhelming problem in due part to people exploiting the One chest a day. If players that were guesting could not loot a dragon chest on a server that was not their home server than I promise you a majority of the lag issue would decrease, not saying it would go away but it would decrease. To sit there and say that Guest have no impact on Overflow or lag for the events makes me believe two things..

• Your a person that guest to exploit the one chest a day rule
• Not really thinking about things logically

Yes there has been a larger influx of players to dragon events from the Home server it self, but when I do Sunless and someone ask who here is a guest and my screen spams something of the nature of, " ME I am a guest" leads me to believe that at least 40% of people at dragon events are there abusing the One Dragon chest rule. Now my numbers may not be accurate, which in fact it is probably more than 40% as there is a Youtube video of a guild that takes 47 people and guest on X server and runs the dragon events. Just saying you remove that ability at the least your remove 40% of the lag that is a huge step in helping correct the problem with Over flow and Lag issues

So what about the people who need to guest in order to be able to actually participate and be rewarded for those events? Perhaps on their homeworld server there isn’t enough people, or happens at times they are not playing. Guesting helps these people out.

If there are servers like this… transfer to a higher pop server.. stop screwing us who are on a higher pop server by guesting our events.

So we all know now that guesting is not working. All it does is make it so people who play on a server can never do a event on there own server in primetime or on weekends unless they are there at min a hour early.

So block all guesting on servers. And then make a guesting server. If you want to play with friends guest to the guesting server which is not attached to any other server and play with friends.

Instances are working great. Instance dungeons do not mess with servers because they are outside the actual servers so leave them.

This game is about everyone having fun and not messing with other peoples fun. Well guesting as it is now is messing with people trying to events on there own servers because half the people at the event are guesting from another server!

So I think my idea will make it so everyone can play with friends WITHOUT SCREWING OTHER PLAYERS OVER IN THE PROCESS.

What do you all think?