Skill is above all.
Some games you just can’t carry but its still the most deciding factor.And if you think otherwise then you are in a lower division where you should be.
This is more an ideological statement than a logical one. Can we get your reasoning please. Take mine above and pick it apart since we obviously disagree. I’d be glad to see what you have to say.
A good player on a meta class has the ability to carry teams and swing teamfights into snowballs or win 1v1 into a snowball or simply win 1v2 or keep them locked forever.
Build/comp/how good your teammates are surely will make things harder/easier but stating that “oh they have a superior comp to us now we lose gg” is how losers go about it instead of finding out what your own comp/players can do to win the game.
I’ve had several games with multi guards/warriors/2theifs against meta comps and still win, and a few losses but you can’t have 100% win because then something is really wrong and you are either god or HeatoN.
If comp/builds really did matter over skills then people like Zan and other good soloq’ers wouldn’t even be close to their win rate but they find ways to win games.
On lower levels it could be harder to do such things if the matchmaking puts 10 players of equal of similar skill and comp might matter more.
Let’s take some other game for example:
Dota have different heroes and not everyone of them is meta but do people just GG leave or lose all games when they have lesser meta than the other team? no you find your strengths and play accordingly. Skilled people make good plays get higher lvl/items and then you have a higher chance at winning the game.
This was just a rant before going away to get lunch and its unedited and probably typos but w/e
tldr: Good players rise above the “you are 1/5 20% of your team” and swing the games in their favor and making good plays will overcome setup/comp
I can’t help but notice you cherry pick things so they all work in your advantage rather than adopt an all thing being equal approach. The Hollywood syndrome is what I call it.
Your argument is that a good player rise above the “you are 1/5 20% of your team” but my question is, just how high can you rise with this philosophy before it becomes pure burlesque fantasy?
I mean, I agree that not all players are equal and that therefore some will defacto amount for more than 1/5 while others for less. But do we agree that what you control (your decisions and your build) will always be significantly less than what you do not in a game where you only play yourself along 4 others vs 5 more others who all take their decisions and choose their builds?
From the moment you agree with me on this I can’t begin to imagine how you still think your skill will impact for more than all the rest. It’s pure megalomania.
EDIT: I will also add a disclaimer that OFC there will be outliers making pretty much any outcomes possible but what we are looking at when I argue is the clear trend and not the exception of a life time. Yes, some women are taller than the average man by quite a lot but the trend that men are taller is still valid despite the irrefutable existence of these individual cases.
I can only speak from my own experience and that’s what I did.
I can’t give you a % how high a player can rise but if you make the correct play and outplay your opponent your chance to win will go up alot.
I said there’s just some games you can’t win and its a team game that’s why its not always on you that you lost, and also on lower levels then yes probably when the game is even MMR with no smurfs you will have a hard time to do anything of this and the comp will be more significant.
I’m not the best player in guild wars and there’s alot of player that is better than me, but I’m above average and this is how my games look.. Its a constant battle between which players can make the best plays to win.
But there is so many players on this forum with “Dunning Kruger Syndrome” who blames others instead of improving their own gameplay to make correct rotations/dpsrotation/teamplay/who to target/mapmovement more and more.
But as said maybe on lower level things aren’t the same as higher up.. Unless in a tournament environment the setup only helps/make it worse but it doesn’t decide the game.
This is what I’ve learned from all my games and there’s only been a few “impossible” games and 95% I’ve been able to overcome comp with superior plays/decision making from either me or teammates.
S1/S2 Legend Engineer @ Gandara EU.
(not so much in this matchup so far tho!)
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