Guild Wars 2

Condolences to his friends, family, guildies and servermates

It is always sad to hear about the death of a fellow gamer, especially one who could put a smile on the faces of his friends and foes alike

Necromancer
King of conditions, one of the strongest classes when it comes to dealing with conditions and putting them on opponents, whether it is sending them the ones you have or eating them to gain life, it also has the largest health pool of any clothie and with plague, lichform and Deathshroud it takes a long time to kill them even for a number of people. That is because they dont really have any form of escape tools and have the worst mobility of any class so you need to be able to pick your fights well or be prepared to run back alot, also minions are as worthless as a ranger in wvw so dont even bother with those. (class is probably the fotm atm)

Mesmer
Mesmer is akin to a thief with how annoying they can get, they have decoys which you can use with limited use stealth to trick opponents to target the wrong thing, they have some nice group utility with veil and portal and can usually escape due to blink clones and stealth but also do not have the greatest mobility and smart players will be able to target the true mesmer and focus you down

Elementalist
Ele’s are still one of the strongest wvw classes, they do not have a weapon swap like most classes instead they switch focus from fire to water etc, but you can manually switch weapons when your out of combat. They have the most number of abilities of any class so there is always something to do in terms of ability cooldowns, so it may take you some time to workout some of the nice combos they can do, they have great mobility and some great escape tools but lack in the armour and health areas so situational awareness is key with this class

TLDR
Necro = ranged tank conditions are key
Mesmer= illusionist, misdirect to survive
Ele= squishy caster but has op combo’s

Fuzzion.2504:

Cirus.5748:

Fuzzion.2504:

Reverence.6915:

JQ outnumbered in Aussie prime? Huh…

We can barely field a float team in that time zone at the moment. Far cry from leagues populations this week

Time to open that warchest mate.

Speak for your own server, buddy

We only have a bread chest. We bribe folks with delicious yummy bread

Edit : heres the chest. What would you like

I dont know why but when i read your post I could imagine cuddles dancing around that kitchen singing
“My Breadsticks bring all the boys to the yard”

I think a major part of the problem is the AoE stability

this works to counter breaking up a melee train with fears, pulls stuns and knockbacks while the aoe condi cleanses remove the cripples and slows which would further thin out the train making it more vulnerable

if a melee group can be broken apart the melee train will fail

I have no problem with stability itself but it should be a solo ability to be used when being focus and not a part of sop of melee trains, if they want to keep aoe stability then more classes need aoe buff removal not just necros and mesmers

and this would then make people use the less commonly used stun breaking abilities rather than relying on the group cleanses and stability while they swing that hammer

breaking up the melee train also has the side effect of reducing the effect of power crit builds as targets are not grouped up as much so they may not be always hitting that 5 person aoe limit

now an organised group who all have stability builds and cc will be able to smash apart the more vulnerable zergs who relied upon the aoe stability to stay as a group rather than co-ordination and teamwork

EnemyCrusher.7324:

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

• Commander announcements (yellow text across the screen)

I don’t like the sound of this idea. I can see it now: constant spam from guild recruitment, trolls, and gold sellers flashing across the middle of my screen at all times.

then just leave that commanders squad and the spam stops

Isaiah Cartwright.8569:

Questions:
1.) How important is it to see your squad members as a different color and always visible on your map like party?

2) I’ve always felt the best commander organization tool would be the ability to create events. Like drop a siege and the commander can set this is a build event then everyone gets Ui like build this flame ram 0/50 supply needed. Or Destroy this gate <show gate health bar>. Lets assume for this discussion there are no rewards to the events just a communication tool. Thoughts on commander created events?

Commander gating

• Current 100g gate isn’t the cleanest gate. (Whole goal behind a gate is to limit the number of commanders out there.
• Gating using WvW abilities seems to have some debate to it, but seems like something we should avoid.
• Account bound commander tags vs character bound.

Question
3) A guild gating system would be clean but require all commanders to be in a fairly active guild is this a fair gating system?

Question
4) What did I miss on this list

1) Player visibility would be handy especially when dealing with scouts, and with the ability to set roles in squad (perhaps as a drop down menu of player names) being able to change those tagged as scouts when they are rotated out, perhaps a different colour for players who’s roles are changed too, so scouts are one colour, officers another and a second in command is another, or the ability for different parties in a squad to have a different colour (maybe handly for guild missions where the squad need to become split-up)

2)I would have the commander event being an option a player can turn on and off with the default being on, but otherwise sounds like a solid system

3)I have no problem with the guild gating system for commanders, perhaps a commander tag can be purchased with guild influence which will enable smaller guilds to grind out the tags over time and still enable solo commanders to get theirs with help from friends
I will say that a minimal wvw ranking be used for commanders to be able to activate a public tag in wvw to prevent troll commanders (rank 100 would be fine) this enables players to still run in small groups and as a guild and learn to command before trying to lead a large group

4)The ability to nominate a second in command would be great so that those few times a commander gets dc’d the squad isnt left in disarray, also a commander admin role so that commanders can lead the group while a second person can designate scouts, havok squads etc (i would add these roles should be separate but be able to be given to the same person)

Also the ability to have more than 1 commander tag in a squad would be great too

morrolan.9608:

frankylovechild.8623:

Beautiful video that was really well executed, however being in a different tier, I have to ask: is it really that impressive that you won Gold?

Any win is built purely on coverage so no, except for the way they managed to harness their PvE population.

Maelwaedd.5842:

SoR had a choice to fight harder or give up, a number did fight harder but a lot also gave up and used ZD as an excuse

If you don’t like people talking crap about BG then it seems hypocritical to make statements about other servers of which you clearly have no idea.

Our PvE population was instrumental in BG’s win, luckily for us they showed a willingness to jump into TS and follow whoever was commanding, and i believe that the tequatl kills were a catalyses for that. and that experience of already getting on TS and joining a group of people who you didnt really know but had faith in to get the job done was invaluable. it is also great to see a number of those who had not previously done much wvw having fun and deciding to stay around even after they had got their achievements and season was over.

Im sorry if you feel like i am talking crap about your server, there are a number of guilds and players i have the utmost respect for, who come out fighting whatever the score and to me represent the true heart of SoR not those who stopped showing up after it was clear that they could not win leagues. and that information was what i was told from friends i have played with and against who are now play on SoR

I apologise if i gave the impression that the entire server gave up, that is not the case a number of guilds and players stood up and tried to rally the server but the matches momentum had shifted too far during that week 2 matchup and SoR was unable to recover before leagues had finished but i believe that SoR will come out after leagues with a harder more resilient core which the player base can galvanise around

Hey Fannwong

What Karp is saying is true, leading into Leagues BG had 3 consecutive losses, against both SoR and JQ, and no other server had lost a major guild for a while

BG had to re-organise and recover from that

yes historically BG has more wins than losses against SoR but both JQ and SoR had gained guilds before leagues while BG lost them, both SoR and JQ had a morale edge on BG which BG had to counter and reverse

as a side note, it wasnt until week 6 of leagues(week 47 MOS) that BG has faced a matchup which didnt involve either JQ or SoR if not both since the end of Feb (week 8 MOS)

@SleepingDragon
ZD went to BG for a number of reasons
1. they could not play during their timezone on EU servers (6hour ques)
2. JQ’s matchups made them an unattractive target to transfer to
3. SoR had IRON and a number of smaller guilds which had merged into IRON
4. ZD had scouted both BG and SoR and found that SoR had the greater numbers and presence during their timezone
5. ZD spoke to SoR and were told not to go there

if the matchups had been more even ZD may have transferred to JQ or to one of the other gold league servers but they were not, BG and SoR were matched up for the first 4 weeks and then BG faced JQ in week 5, to get the best fights which server would you chose to play on

people can blame ZD for the win or they can look at MOS and see that BG had already taken back the lead in week 2 before ZD had even transferred over, SoR had a choice to fight harder or give up, a number did fight harder but a lot also gave up and used ZD as an excuse

Boonprot.6274:

Transferring in itself is fine, it’s the NA obsession with over-populating T1 that’s the issue. T1 servers currently out-coverage everyone else by a large margin, so you see a significant discrepancy between T2 and T1. BG is a perfect example of this because of the sheer number of guilds they bought in preparation for Season 1. All for a mini dolyak, 100 Dragonite, 500 luck, an exotic, and a bunch of other garbage.

Winning matchups in GW2 means literally nothing. You get no reward, no prestige. Best to choose a server whose community you really enjoy and focus on having fun.

Hey Boon, if you dont mind could you list any of the number of guilds BG bought in for seasons or are you just sharing the SoR cool-aid

and yes I agree that there is an obsession with stacking servers, which is why I chose to join BG over 16 months ago when it was not a stacked server and firmly a t2 server, yes there has been a number of guilds transfer to BG since then but I do not believe that wvw guilds are the major cause of the stacking effect rather the unknown number of unguilded players who transfer to the perceived winning server which amplifies those wvw guild transfers, people crying stacked will just encourage others to join the server not discourage

too many people want and are rewarded for transferring to winning servers, there is no incentive to join TC, SoS, FA or Mag (to use as examples). Personally if I was looking to transfer today i wouldnt be joining BG, SoR or JQ but one of those T2 servers, but then most people are not looking for the target rich environment but rather they look for the path of least resistance

Part of joining a server TS is making friends outside your guild or small group of friends you regularly play with, there is no need to talk until you feel comfortable or you are scouting.

Just like finding a commander tag you enjoy running with, finding the right TS commander is crucial, some like to yell or speak rapidly others will speak with an accent or even in a foreign tongue, what is important is the communication a commander will give during a fight which cannot be typed out in map

Make your servers TS a community hub, let guilds have their own channel and have channels for those seeking PvP and dungeons to go to. Promote the server all the times, especially after a commander wins a fun battle and even after a group has been wiped.

Having such a strong community hub allowed Blackgate to get the first Tequatl kill, but alot of people had never used it as part of their everyday GW2 experience until that time, thats what you need to encourage as a server, WvW, PvE and PvP all player types need to want to load into TS whenever they load GW2

Some people do not know what TS is, make sure to occasionally include the how to download TS or vent or raidcall whatever voice program you use for your server

also you need to have an admin group who can be trusted and community driven, willing to sacrifice their playtime to verify those looking to join, setup the permissions and kick trolls and bots

Even on a server like Blackgate we do not have 100% TS numbers, usual numbers are between 50-75%, and as it was already mentioned running tagless is a great way to get people on TS even if it is only during the fights, be glad for those who do join you in TS and realise you will never get 100%

Also using something like plug dj to have shared music playing for those wanting to listen to music is also fun and can add something when the drunken commander starts to sing in TS :P

TLDR: You need to make your servers TS feel like one big server wide guild and somewhere anyone can join and enhance their game time.

Ragnar.4257:

I like the idea. Zerg camp flipping does take alot of the strategy out of the supply aspect of the game.

However, I see a couple of problems.

Firstly, Dolyaks are far, far too easy to kill, even when defended. If a decent thief wants to kill a dolyak, then you need upwards of 10 players to stop him. A dolyak is basically impossible to defend against a large group, even if your entire zerg is defending. If Dolyaks were to become, effectively, the only source of supply on the map I imagine it would be very very easy to completely starve a team of supply, and that would probably end up being the weaker team, making it even harder for them to try and catch up.

Secondly, people are impatient. Just because you have to escort dollies to get supply, doesn’t mean people will actually start to do it. And, to be honest, rightly so. 90% of the time escorting nothing happens, it’s boring, and it’s not what people want to do in their leisure time.

As I said, I like the idea, because it would definitely make the game more strategic. But there would have to be some significant changes to how Dolyaks work in order to offset the above problems.

Completely agree with you, I like the concept of 0 supply in camps but yaks need to be reworked

part of what make escorting yaks so boring is that unless you have an AoE buff to increase speed there is really not much you can do to interact with the event, perhaps the skritt or centaurs have a item which speeds up the yak (similar to the pearls used for the quaggans)or increase their health pools or heal them, make the yak escort interactive, where you can actively contribute to the yaks survival and success

also make a slight change to each yak so that you need different builds to defeat them, but you wont know which one until you get to it, make one immune to all damage except conditions, another is immune to conditions, another yak has super retaliation and another has a huge health pool

camps would also need their upgrades changed to increase the number of yaks running even more seeing as players can no longer pickup supplies from a camp

I think part of the big plus is it will help break the zerg up and encourage roaming style gameplay

supply rewarded could be based off the level of completion 5 for bronze, 10 for silver and 15 for gold, so that even if a yak is killed then your time has not been completely wasted

it also opens up the option for player supply to be used to upgrade a tower or keep

its a very workable idea and i hope the devs are looking at this

World v World v World is all about ppt if your not playing it your doing it wrong

PPT is boring and all about off peak coverage, if your not dueling your doing it wrong

Dueling has its own game type go back to sPvP, GvG is the true test of greatness and if you wont GvG us then your doing it wrong

GvG takes too long to organise and not enough do it, roaming is the only way to play and if your not your doing it wrong

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Your all playing WvW wrong, until you play the game like I do your bad and haz no skillz and are doing it wrong

so WvW server mergers is what you are suggesting?

the only reason there are servers atm is for wvw, you can guest for pve,

if a server is not performing to your liking then transfer off or try and build it up so it can compete

if everyone transferred to the top 9 servers we would get the same result

If they want to solve the “night capping” problem there is a simple solution

reduce the amount of ppt gained from SMC, garrison, keeps, towers and camps and increase the amount of ppt gained from killing players

and this is not just during off hours this is a 24/7 change

change the objective values based off upgrades
make camps worth 1ppt, towers worth 2, keeps 3, garri 4 and smc 5ppt and increase that every time an objective is upgraded, so a fully upgraded camp is worth 5 and a full upgraded smc is worth 25

bring back the 3 ppt per stomp based off the number of bloodlust buffs you have

so what will this do
ppt based off actual fights not just holding objectives, killing yaks to starve supply now has a even more direct ppt impact as those upgrades to get max ppt are not going through, even when outmanned you can still impact the max ppt a server gets just by flipping camps every so often and not just before the tick, upgrades actually mean something more than just a longer response time to defend

sure if you have no one on during an off time for your server things are going to get flipped, but most of the ppt will be gained from player kills, not from the recently flipped objectives which will now take time to fully upgrade to maximize ppt

the game is 24/7 solutions need to be 24/7 too

Not sure why you say that JJ

Time Zones: Pacific, Central, and Eastern U.S. with International members

international members does include oceanic :P plus that was from a year ago, they have even more oceanic numbers now and a number of PST insomniacs

here is a more recent recruitment thread https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/guilds/recruitment/KnT-of-Blackgate-is-Now-Recruiting/first#post2339486

I should know as I have sent a number of oceanic players to them aswell as to NOC, KING, ZN and MERC not mentioning the PvE guilds

I will say if an Oceanic player is looking for a place to call home there is nothing wrong with playing on SoS, TC, JQ, SoR, FA or even Mag most of them have a sizeable oceanic force and im sure you will find yourself a oceanic guild to join fairly quickly, you can always guest to the server and speak to some of those oceanic guilds and find out if they would be a good home

TC, the little RP server that could

I still remember our 3 week epic matchup thread with KN, which just also happens to be the last match BG had without SoR or JQ in the matchup, until this weeks with SoS n Mag

any server which goes out no matter the score and despite being outnumbered while having fun

GvG,
would be Agg n EP

Foes,
Choo, been fighting you guys for over 13 months now still fun as ever,
Foo (ATM/WAHA), probably the single most dominate guild in a timezone in NA, there is a reason there is a saying “it is Foo/Waha o’clock”

Server Mates
KnT, does so much for the server that unless you see it yourself you wouldn’t believe it
AoI, multi guild powerhouse….nuff said
ICoa, does what it can when it can no matter the odds
ND, all i can say is im glad they are on our side

Most improved
KH, I remember fighting them in the early days and to be honest they were rather like walking lootbags, now I know its going to be a fun fight

I will also give an honorable mention to MERC, became the backbone of our oceanic crew when they came over and gave some of our other oceanic commanders time to rest or train new people and run havoc to your float, but im still gonna kick your kitten when i see you in game :P

TY TY TY

Finally i can use another toon without being negatively effected
Don’t get me wrong I love my necro commander, but its not really built for roaming or solo stuff when i need a break

my only problem with Cliff is that he 1 shots people, and the number of commanders which help him pad his stats
but no where as bad as that guy Runningoveraflatsurfacefalldamage

ParaldaWind.4523:

Chris.3290:

Wednesday afternoon and Maguuma hasn’t declared victory yet. Maybe they’re waiting to see if they can pass SoS so they can claim some sort of victory that is measurable unlike “Our roamers are better so we are technically the winners this week”.

Props to folks on Maguuma who actually show up to fight (INC, VR, Pyro, Ark, etc).

Edit: someone had to ruin my day and remind me it’s not Wednesday. Cruel…just cruel.

Winning due to coverage is kind of like winning a height contest.

@Chris it is Wednesday,I dont know what backwater Icebot lives on but he needs to catch up to the real world :P

@Paralda are they still not letting you on those rides

the commander squad chat function is a joke

people have been asking for it to be changed since beta, unfortunately no one in Anet is listening

If you are looking for an oceanic guild on Blackgate

I highly recommend you have a look at NOC

Jump into BGTS and join the fun while they wreck havoc over the WvW maps, all the while singing and drinking and generally being inappropriate

or come join them for guild missions or other scrub PvE events they do like dungeons, map completion or exploring the hidden areas of Tyria

/shake fist trying to steal our oceanics :P

I love fighting you guys, always know you are up for a brawl

recommended for any oceanic looking for a well disciplined guild, and not interested in zerging the map but fighting and having fun

You should wait and see how things look after leagues
some servers will rise others will fall, it is part of wvw

look a the servers you have faced and if you enjoyed the fights you had against them and the way they fight it might be give you a good idea of who you wish to transfer to

TheThiefMaster.3812:

CuddleStrike.8215:

Breadgate 2013!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I miss you all already cries Enjoy the fights that you all stumble across in your bread induced haze….

And be nice in here, don’t make me come back and snuggle you all fiercely!

<3 <3 <3

How about you just come back home Cuddle:-) then you can keep a close eye on us and make sure we don’t misbehave:D

She can try, but it didnt work when she was on last on BG, I dont think it would work now……… actually come to think of it most of the time Cuddle would say something in the shout box and lead us down that rabbit hole, im not sure if we want that kind of miscreant back on BG leading us to ruin

who am i kidding Cuddles just showed us the rabbit hole we jumped in first cos it sounded like fun

focus on learning how to solo flip camps, tapping those waypointed keeps and getting away alive, and killing yaks and sentries, that will help teach you how to quickly move around the maps while avoiding the zergs who like nothing more than running over solo players

next focus on repairing keeps and building and maintaining siege, so if the call to defend a keep or tower goes out you know just where to go to help wipe those pesky invaders

once you have settled on a build run around the ruins and help your server get those bloodlust buffs, its a great place to find small group fights and the occasional 1v1 fight, but note some servers will send their zerg in if you get too annoying :P

there are a number of very strong WvW theif builds out there I would look at some videos of some small man groups like oPP or RIOT for example who run some solid solo and roaming builds without being too glassy, they have some good information to get you a base build which you can then alter to suit your playstyle

best of luck and have fun

Jeydra.4386:

Zikory.6871:

With all that, is Blackgate truly at fault for attempting to reach this cap? The game mode is setup to push for this type of coverage. So I would say other servers are under populated.

No, Blackgate is not at fault for attempting to reach this cap. Therefore the word ‘overstacked’ has no negative connotation, at least not in the way I’m using it. It’s incredible how people seem to react to that word, though.

I think the problem maybe the word overstacked does have a negative connotation, if you were using the words queued map and unqueued maps to describe a server then maybe if you said that BG had the most map queues of all the servers then it would be correct and less people would have issue with what you are saying. It would be the same to say you bandwagoned to BG rather than transferred, their meanings are similar but one has a more negative connotation than the other.

What I think you are failing to recognise is that people are trying to tell you those map queues were not a normal occurrence on BG and that people were trying harder for longer in comparison to other servers which also had queues, they are not denying that the are queues but the experience for why the queues are occuring will be different for people based off their current knowledge of the server

Part of WvW queues are what some call fairweather players, it is those players that play when the server is winning, but these same players do not come out if their server is losing. If all servers had 24/7 queues at the start of leagues then 1 server began to win and another server began to lose then the fairweather effect will cause one server to lose their 24/7 coverage while the other server retains it. Much of what you see atm is this effect which is getting multiplied due to achievements and league rewards also encouraging PvE players into WvW (I hope you guys enjoyed what you found and continue to play WvW after leagues finish)

While you continue to not want to join the WvW forum and not be informed of what is occurring on your server these types of discussions will continue to occur and people will continue to try to explain why you are in error

I hope you do decide to join the forums as there are videos of some of the fun we have and other discussions about class builds and game meta even ways we can try and help to balance out the servers, and it will help your server mates get to know and understand you better

The only thing that truly matters is if people are having fun, it is a game after all

gebrechen.5643:

JaredKincade.9761:

I thought Merc left because they weren’t getting support of BG’s NA?

Now your saying we do overtime? Crazy.

No, the problem is EVERYONE underestimated what BG was capable of, including BG. Go ahead and blame ZDs if it makes you feel better, but we all know deep down they alone don’t make up for the score differences.

I think someone bet on the wrong horse.

Wait.. it was BG betting on the wrong horse. It was mainly BG population claiming JQ had the easy cheesy schedule and your server tried hard to keep that 2v1 with SoR running in match 1.

I would not say you knew ZDs would come to you, but you played that card well.
In week 2 SoR was really good and you came back in ppt, but SoR stopped fighting after ZDs joined you and SoR knew that they wouldn’t stand a chance even if they would pull crazy overtimes.

So, in the end ZDs are the match deciding factor especially against a server with a very low EU population. I’m happy we got some EU guilds and I really like and respect them, but with ZDs backing you there was not a chance of holding the ppt.

Actually SoR lost most of that 20k lead before ZD even transferred (and that was only 10 of them) when ZD had fully transferred SoR were already behind BG by around 7k
there were some SoR that stopped fighting when they heard ZD was transferring not when they actually fought them and lost

Yes JQ do not have the EU guilds to combat BG, I agree but they certainly have the NA, Oceanic and SEA guilds, which JQ have been unable to capitalize on which make the EU gains even more dramatic. But i will say most of JQ still keep on coming out and fighting and i hope you guys are enjoying them, even if the coverage is not in your favor

Seigfried.5938:

UnrepentantProcrastinator.7420:

Chris.3290:

I respectfully request that Blackgate rolls all engineers for next week’s matchup…just because they can.

We’ve already decided to roll Rangers.

But Mags and SoS will complain about us bypassing the que if they see 150+ people in our zerg

we could always run necro minion army and have 400+ nameplates

mmm i guess the old hamster got replaced

Luxon.1389:

True or false though, the screenshot of BG arms race is that real or not? From the looks of that it’s no wonder people can assume ZDs was bought right?

Heck though I could be wrong. This will be a moot point if you guys happen to keep ZD’s and your PVE militia. You guys will then be strong for a very long time.

That arms race picture was actually a joke (hence why it was in the public section of the forums) about Leagues starting up and servers rushing to recruit every guild they could. Some people took it seriously like we had thousands of gold to pay for guilds to play for us, BG commonly have a lottery to raise funds to help buy siege for guilds and help out guilds who get hacked etc on the server

I would miss ZD if they left BG, but a bigger part of me wants them to stay. Not to dominate a timezone or to pvd but to encourage other EU guilds to transfer to NA servers, I would love to see all the NA servers get a nice spread of EU guilds over them, encourage the transfer of ideas from EU meta to NA meta and vice versa

That 1 hour sustained push into JQBL garri which enabled our forces to flip 2 T3 keeps on other maps

Where we hit garri with 20 golems got the lord down a number of times and you needed to call help to the map, enabling JQ’s BGBL wp to be flipped

Where we got pushed out then came back again with 10 golems at a different gate back into lords room, setup siege on the roof and still got pushed out again it was great defense on JQ behalf preventing us from capping garrison

Then 10 more golems back at SE gate and back into inner, all the while draining your supply and man power from other maps, which enabled the JQ wp on SoS BL to be flipped
Then the last 5 golems just because we could

it was a co-ordinated effort over all 4 maps planned for a number of hours and executed very well and with great timing (dont send your zerg into ruins to cap bloodlust :P ) and it put your SEA forces at a disadvantage all night while our SEA had a great platform to build from, the only way it could have gone better for us is if we managed to cap garri but draining all supply and putting holes though out it was good enough, after that we just had small groups yak slapping and flipping camps so that your garri couldn’t fully recover

Tarkus.4109:

I personally don’t give much weight to the current situation because I play for the challenge – getting our kitten kicked in by zone blobs in our weakest time is still better than the t2 hell we’ve been in the last month. We got some good fights with ZDs and ND last night where we wiped them just as often as they did us and thats all I really care about in the game, the eventual outcome of the match-up is secondary to doing your best – if its not enough thats fine.

100% agree with what you say here Tarkus

I think JQ, BG and even SoS are all enjoying the fights 24/7, this matchup is very similar to week 1 in terms of its intensity and how hard all servers are fighting

If SoS had more SEA and EU guilds it would probably be a matchup from hell, they keep coming out fighting despite being outnumbered and i think both JQ and BG appreciate it and find it annoying as hell :P

Ty JQ and SoS for the great fights and whoever wins so be it, the matchup is fun that is all that matters

It is clear someone has a gluten allergy

whatever happeneds this match, the fights have been fun and plentiful

akamon.2769:

lol.

i need some enlightening though. so i’ve never used supply/stealth traps before. so do you drop them mid-combat when you know you’re up against a stealth class? that’s pretty crazy lol.

they take a second or 2 to setup so i would not advise you to use em in combat
but great to use if a thief refuges and tries to reset the fight, otherwise just kite them over your already placed trap and watch em freak out :P

nice to use once in a while but not a true counter, they last about an hour and you can have 1 up at a time

Player Character.9467:

NornBearPig.9814:

How the heck is Immobilize not considered a control effect when Daze is?
They are like two sides of the same coin, and both equate to a stun.

o.O immobilize and daze are opposites

can’t move, can use skills.
———— STUN————
can move, can’t use skills.

do you see how it is the same coin but different side now? :P

do snuggles stack in duration, intensity or both?

deathTouch.9706:

Jaxs.5830:

Israel.7056:

Jaxs.5830:

It just so happens that only one of the items in the list above has nothing to do with personal skill and is entirely outside of any one persons control. It is the least personal form of winning in the game.

WvW is more about working together as a server. I didn’t always see it that way but I’ve really had a change of heart over time. Now if I’m leading our group in WvW I’ll try to steer it towards making ourselves helpful to whatever the rest of our server is trying to achieve on the map.

Did your change of heart come while playing on one of the only three servers that have a reason to play for PPT? In other games I would agree with you, but not in GW2, the system is too broken. There is not enough off-hour population to support enough balanced servers for the much larger NA population. If everyone lumped up to make balanced servers based on the availability of off-hour population, all of the NA folks would spend most of their time in the upcoming overflow map.

When close match-ups become the norm rather than a once in a blue moon event, I might have a change of heart, until then WvW is all about roaming open world fighting.

This. I’ve found that no matter how hard a group may play for any given week, I would estimate that 95%+ of Mag match outcomes are predetermined by sheer coverage difference between servers we face, with individual player and group skill having relatively little impact on outcome.

As long as coverage matters dramatically more than skill for PPT, I have no real motivation to participate “how Anet intended” chasing PPT, bashing on doors for PvD or sitting on siege for hours.

I think maybe your (Isreal) BG perspective is different, since you normally (almost always) have a good outcome in terms of your server’s ability to gain PPT. However, come to Mag for a bit and see how different it is when you consistently outplay groups twice your size in primetime only to watch a huge point deficit drag your server down on off-hours because some clueless bearbow PvDers beat down doors with no defenders while you sleep, or dramatically defend a keep with inferior numbers and/or outnumbered and watch the rest of the BL turn the color of your opponent by spare opponents breaking down doors around the BL.

Then wake up the next day and find every keep and tower held by then opponents in every BL upgraded with full siege and manned by overnight/early morning scouts. PPT just means nothing to us Mag at this point.

Sometimes its just depressing that, for a game with such a large NA audience, most of the matches are pre-determined by the dramatically fewer oceanic players who play on these servers. In that sense, any 1 oceanic player on a server is probably worth close to 10 NA players in terms of their value for protecting PPT. There’s only so many oceanic players and naturally (like most people), they’ve bandwagoned onto servers with already-winning records for an easier time achieving personal rewards.

Oceanic is not the window that wins matchups its full 24/7 coverage, sure a decent oceanic force can be offensive and take a few towers and keeps but the 20 -24 ppt ticks between NA and SEA are not what will win a match, its those NA that stay up late and flip their opponents t3 stuff that wins it, its the SEA which get on early upgrade the keeps and hand off to EU who defend it and hand off to NA who can now attack more

Yes Oceanic is a small population base (sub 30million people in Au an NZ) and a few oceanic’s on a server can help hold ppt but there is no shortage of SEA guilds or EU guilds

If you didnt know the oceanic servers for gw2 were SoS, IoJ and CD. and there is still quite a large number of oceanics on those servers, but the oceanics you see off those servers are due to them not looking to join a stacked server or they were recruited to help cover coverage gaps.

Resonance and NOC joined BG over 12 months ago, there was 0 oceanic players on the server, since then BG has become one of the stronger oceanic wvw communities out there, not because we were winning but because players will look for places they can have fun with other oceanic players, its no fun to join a server where you are the only person in the timezone, all it takes is a few people to join and the rest will follow

too many people join servers for the short term gains, join a server and watch it grow rather than jump from server to server, there is the population to have 6 or more competitive servers all with 24/7 coverage but it will involve having people be honest and not stacking timezones and Anet to stop screwing over those who are trying to achieve it with bs announcements like, end of free transfers or leagues

Kiff.8157:

nirvana.8245:

Be aware there is a bug that seems to be related to this lag. I have noticed this on many occasions now and seen players commenting on it. Basically you cannot cast any skills. But others can. I had this happen recently during a defence over hills. During the fight I put it down to skill lag. However, after the fight I was still not able to use any skills and my guildies where running around with me using all their skills like nothing was wrong. I relogged and all my skills worked again. I probably went through that entire fight without skills whilst other players were able to. The bug is pretty gamebreaking and its hard to identify having it or if you are just experiencing skill lag.

Yes. That happened but I’m not sure if it was a bug. Sometimes the game just lost connection but others on ts were just fine.

You can fix that bug by picking up or using supply no need to relog, not sure what it is but its like the system cannot identify what weapon set you are using and therefor does nothing, even switching weapons will not fix it

KeeZee.7312:

Still waiting for BG to produce some facts on how SoR was dominating them going into league.

Basicaly what BG and ZD is saying is SoR had greater ppt than them for an hour 1 day out of the week and that made them under dogs.

Funny how BG keeps on ignoring the numbers that clearly show BG was the dominant server going into leagues. Sorry ZD, you went to the stacked server who was already in a good position to win….you will forever be tainted by this move.

The only fact that matters is the first game of leagues, all servers have fluctuated in their WvW presence since all servers have been in Tier 1 that is the nature of T1 and previous matchup have little to do with the relative strength of each server during leagues, it would be like comparing the 2 day matchups to the week long matchups they are a different category

Due to the League schedule both BG and SoR thought it best for JQ to finish last in the first round, both SoR and JQ thought their main rival was going to be each other and BG while a strong opponent would be beaten, hence while JQ and SoR would have loved to finish first, both thought that BG finishing first would grant them the most chance in winning leagues otherwise both servers would have targeted BG for easy points and SoR would have finished first and JQ second

Or are you saying that BG are such cunning strategists that we feigned weakness to get JQ and SoR to think we were the weakest and hence target each other to secure the first round of leagues all the while recruiting for a EU server so that guilds were unable to play due to queues and hence transferring to a NA server would look attractive enough to get a transfer to BG to secure the second round of leagues, at which time we were also able to mislead SoR into thinking that the 20k ish lead they had on the weekend would be enough to grant them victory that week

Samhayn.2385:

Azure Prower.8701:

Samhayn.2385:

DKNS.2135:

Samhayn.2385:

DKNS.2135:

SOR +95. BG +520

What happened to all the big talk about holding down BG garrison etc, etc….

thanks for making my point.

From what your post for a better WvW explained, you mean to tell me that right now it’s SoR’s off hours lol?

I mean, from your post, you want to decrease the points other servers get during their primetime which is what your plan will do and reduce the losses servers take during their off hours.

that’s not what I said at all. Thou it has been suggested before and I have disagreed with that. I never once said NA prime time should give more points for a cap. A cap is a cap no matter when it happens. The recurring points that you get for “holding”(quotes because your not really do anything but letting it tick points well no defending it) has to go away.

Sure. Let’s take your “solution” and put a spin on it.

Reduced PPT gain during the time you’re awake and playing. Extra PPT gain during oceanic time.

Because when oceanics are sleeping. It’s not fair that you take stuff while they are not playing.

Also welcome to 2012. We hope you enjoy your stay.

umm yeah ok, again that’s not what I said but you can read it how ever you want. You see I can’t make it an easier to understand then I already have so keep on keeping on with how important point gain vs token forces are then. I already said the game is coverage wars and BG has won that so far.

o wait let me try this. Point gains under my system would only slow down when one server had a presence on the map and the other two did not. So what your saying is gains made when a server can pvdoor is the true way to play the game! gotcha, this is why we will never agree. I think fights should matter and you think winning vs AI guards should matter.

The main flaw with you system is that will encourage people not to log in and fight, and encourage blobbing, people will be told to get off maps so the other team cannot cap things back
If you have 80 people than under your system to would be better to stack em on one map and take one thing at a time (also called karma training) during all timezones, defending would be a waste as you only get points for attacking. with the system as it is you need to spread out to cover more maps which is what makes waypoints so strong
the bloodlust stomp was a step in the right direction for balancing ppt gain, it should still be 3 ppt per stomp if you have 3 orb imo(but the stat bonus did need to change), the should remove the repair cost too in WvW and remove waypoints, to help reduce the blob and encourage smaller group fights, yeah defending a 80 man zerg inside garri for 4 hours can be epic but it gets boring if it occurs every other day

Stealth.8150:

Cuddlepie.8109:

Fannwong.3059:

Hello Neuromancer,

Thanks for clarifying. 2 things:

1. IRON leader/commander Wrex is unwell. We really hope that she will recover soon. You know how one person can having influence so many, eg Smokee for BG EU & Jang’s WM exodus of SBI.

2. Tarkus has tremendous influence over many due to his diligence and success in tactics/strategy. But didn’t Tarkus leave BG because of the long hours in EU coverage? If so then JQ will not have a a strong leader/commander in EU no?

FW

Best wishes for a complete and speedy recovery for Wrex.

Tarkus bills himself in his sig as an Oceanic and early EU commander. His reasons for leaving BG vary depending on who he’s talking to.

oi cuddlepie can pls mark the doll where tarkus touched you

You don’t know how “handsy” Tarkus can get, you may need more dolls :P

hardknockbb.6284:

Sunt.6835:

hardknockbb.6284:

Heard a BG commander rage quit on BG BL not too long ago.

I heard a whole SoR wvw rage quited since reset night.

That’s ok we’re having more fun collecting loot. Got my third precursor.

Did Anet do something to the precursor drop rate? cos I got the legend on friday and someone else in the guild also got another precursor, and i have heard a number of people have gotten them since then too, or it could be i have noticed it more since i got mine

Can someone get ultra some training, i recommend one of the many maguuma schools for gifted forum warriors

its so cute when ultra tries to troll

SleepingDragon.1596:

Maelwaedd.5842:

JQ’s EU of Tofu and Soul Reapers and Merc

I don’t think Merc is EU guild. Tofu and SR combined probably fields less than HB, RK, COIN or ZD. You can just pick any one of those 4 guilds and they’ll outblob JQ’s EU. Heck, if I remember correctly… Iron used to be able to outblob the entire JQ’s EU easily. JQ’s EU isn’t a threat to anyone at this time. Maybe BG can let us borrow HB and RK so ZD and COIN don’t get bored when JQ and BG crosses paths.

I can guarantee MERC play EU, they also field numbers in Oceanic and SEA which is part of their strength they bring to a server they join they may not have 50 people or 20 people from their guild at the time but they have experience commanders who tag up and lead whoever they can in the timezone
I never mentioned the numbers each guild had only that they are present and that presence is what will encourage other EU guilds to join the NA servers
I think JQ should get more EU coverage, but so should TC, SoS and Mag

UltraHiDef.4809:

declan.3968:

There are only two reasons why EU guild would transfer to NA server

1) Stack the server
2) Fight other Eu guilds

IRON you ought to be ashamed of yourself for doing 1) when there wasn’t any reason for 2), and now you flame ZDs because they are transferring for reason 2) ? Talk about pot calling the kettle black.

Fight other EU guilds? What guilds are you talking about? There’s no EU guilds in NA except for IRON.

nope no other EU guild…. except AFTL ohh a HIC (i think thats the name of the other sor eu) and Rage who merged with IRON along with KISS or what about JQ’s EU of Tofu and Soul Reapers and Merc

add to that BULL transferring and possibly others and it creates a very healthy EU population in NA servers

kitten we should stop giving doors the names of EU guilds

Opponents like Akamon and Fannwong are the reason why I play this game
always out there fighting whenever they can and doing their best for the server no matter the score or number of opponents they face
/salute

see you guys on the field

Arcade.8901:

Botinhas.2018:

I always thought ZD’s was a guild that wanted to fight, guess i was wrong, but thank you for letting me know you are more interested in QQ and tears than fights. Nice motivation to come to NA

Iron, your tears are best tears, for now at least….

when they wont come out and fight you, their tears is all that is left

Elano.2014:

Maelwaedd.5842:

but working with our militia is 100% why BG has won its matches so far

Naaah, it’s definitely because of the Vodka.

why do you think we encourage people to join us on TS, drunken voice coms are the best, that along with the singing

Hobbitz.5831:

Wait wait wait……

Blackgate commanders actually work with their militia. You mean to tell me you actually communicate to them and type to them in map chat?

Wow, no wonder you’re winning. All our commanders do is call us kitten.

ohh poor Hobbitz

there is always a tag up to help lead militia and they even type in chat(when they are not suppressed) :P
we also encourage everyone to get into TS as commands can be relayed quicker that way

and while not all commanders tag up to lead militia some guilds prefer to run tagless some nights and tag up on other nights it just depends on the guild and who else is on the map

but working with our militia is 100% why BG has won its matches so far